Pub shuts down after new managers leave (From This is Hampshire)

Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Perhaps Camra should be quoting the total figure of pubs that have closed down since the smoking ban.
That would make more sense

3 bottles of wine for a tenner in Asda.....

bigfella777 wrote:
Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts.
Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol.....
Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

sotonbusdriver wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts.
Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol.....
Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

Why not!

Ban commedians, in case anyone dies of laughter.

Ban football, in case people commit suicide when their team loses.

Ban the sale of pain killers, in case people take an overdose and put a strain on the NHS.

Why the hell should people be permitted to be responsible for their own actions?

Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

Linesman wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:

bigfella777 wrote: Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts. Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol..... Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

Why not! Ban commedians, in case anyone dies of laughter. Ban football, in case people commit suicide when their team loses. Ban the sale of pain killers, in case people take an overdose and put a strain on the NHS. Why the hell should people be permitted to be responsible for their own actions?

Totally agree, we should all live to work and completely limit any chance of social interaction.

Linesman wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:

bigfella777 wrote: Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts. Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol..... Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

Why not! Ban commedians, in case anyone dies of laughter. Ban football, in case people commit suicide when their team loses. Ban the sale of pain killers, in case people take an overdose and put a strain on the NHS. Why the hell should people be permitted to be responsible for their own actions?

Well said.

That pub's been closed since early December. It only gets passing trade in Summer for the Isle of Wight Ferry. I thought they'd closed the pub down, because JD Wetherspoon will be moving in to the town shortly and taking all their trade.

sotonbusdriver wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts.
Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol.....
Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

Drinking causes more injuries?
If I drink I don't drive I either walk or get a taxi.
Alcohol drunk in moderation has been proven by medical experts to cut the amount of cholesterol in the blood stream
so if drunk sensibly is good for you.
So no injuries no deaths & medically good for you?
yet a substance they ( some people) want to legitimise has more cancerous properties than alcohol & fags put together & brings on schizophrenia.
I admit like most things excessive drinking of alcohol brings on health problems but why should every one suffer for the few?
Pubs are a good social meeting point, men & women can meet have a drink a chat play a game & no problem.
the problem is with the younger pub all those young men in the same place with some with or without drink are looking for trouble .
this ruins the other young peoples evenings & gives a bad name for all drinkers.
but to have people like you & bigfella to come out with these posts is wrong

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

We might not see eye to eye on politics but would you agree with me that the tax on alcohol sold in a pub should come down & the tax on supermarket alcohol should go up?
this would even up the playing field it would allow sensibly run pubs to continue operating whilst stopping or at least helping to stop illicit sales to underage drinkers.
It isn't so easy to walk down the road with 12 pints of lager as it is with 12 cans & might make it less likely that these kids could afford it.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

We might not see eye to eye on politics but would you agree with me that the tax on alcohol sold in a pub should come down & the tax on supermarket alcohol should go up?
this would even up the playing field it would allow sensibly run pubs to continue operating whilst stopping or at least helping to stop illicit sales to underage drinkers.
It isn't so easy to walk down the road with 12 pints of lager as it is with 12 cans & might make it less likely that these kids could afford it.

Oh Loosehead ..... through gritted teeth I do agree with you aaaaaahhhhhh !!

Where have all the locals gone? On the waggon!

Interesting that the Woodman pub in Southampton - that closed suddenly a while back - reopens as a Tesco Extra shortly.....

housewife wrote:
Interesting that the Woodman pub in Southampton - that closed suddenly a while back - reopens as a Tesco Extra shortly.....

A tree fell on it & the landlord was trying to sell it.but I've been in there on the weekends 7 it was always full so I think this is a bad move as there's already a store next door so it looks like the pub in the park will get some new customers

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

We might not see eye to eye on politics but would you agree with me that the tax on alcohol sold in a pub should come down & the tax on supermarket alcohol should go up?
this would even up the playing field it would allow sensibly run pubs to continue operating whilst stopping or at least helping to stop illicit sales to underage drinkers.
It isn't so easy to walk down the road with 12 pints of lager as it is with 12 cans & might make it less likely that these kids could afford it.

Oh Loosehead ..... through gritted teeth I do agree with you aaaaaahhhhhh !!

Oh God, I agree as well ... must be going soft - @sotonbusdriver, you must lead a very boring and negative life but I suppose buses have driven you to that, I don't reckon your the full ticket

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

We might not see eye to eye on politics but would you agree with me that the tax on alcohol sold in a pub should come down & the tax on supermarket alcohol should go up?
this would even up the playing field it would allow sensibly run pubs to continue operating whilst stopping or at least helping to stop illicit sales to underage drinkers.
It isn't so easy to walk down the road with 12 pints of lager as it is with 12 cans & might make it less likely that these kids could afford it.

Oh Loosehead ..... through gritted teeth I do agree with you aaaaaahhhhhh !!

Oh God, I agree as well ... must be going soft - @sotonbusdriver, you must lead a very boring and negative life but I suppose buses have driven you to that, I don't reckon your the full ticket

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Pub leaseholders cannot make a viable profit any more due to the extortionate rent and constrictive ties demanded by the greedy brewery owners.
High prices means fewer customers which in turn lead to more increases to survive which equals even less bums on seats.
People are also returning to social clubs in droves where alcohol is a lot cheaper.

To an extent you are correct ... however, on ITV a week ago the MD of Sheppard and Neam ( brewery in Kent) stated that 85% of the companies profit goes direct to the Tax man

We might not see eye to eye on politics but would you agree with me that the tax on alcohol sold in a pub should come down & the tax on supermarket alcohol should go up?
this would even up the playing field it would allow sensibly run pubs to continue operating whilst stopping or at least helping to stop illicit sales to underage drinkers.
It isn't so easy to walk down the road with 12 pints of lager as it is with 12 cans & might make it less likely that these kids could afford it.

Oh Loosehead ..... through gritted teeth I do agree with you aaaaaahhhhhh !!

Oh God, I agree as well ... must be going soft - @sotonbusdriver, you must lead a very boring and negative life but I suppose buses have driven you to that, I don't reckon your the full ticket

Linesman wrote:

sotonbusdriver wrote:

bigfella777 wrote: Pubs are for losers and drinkings not cool anymore.

Hooray, someone with my thoughts. Best things is to shut them all and stop the sale of Alcohol..... Bet there will be more resistance than stop smoking, even though drink causes more injuries and death than smoking.

Why not! Ban commedians, in case anyone dies of laughter. Ban football, in case people commit suicide when their team loses. Ban the sale of pain killers, in case people take an overdose and put a strain on the NHS. Why the hell should people be permitted to be responsible for their own actions?

And whilst at it may as well ban driving, oh and football as that leads to lot of injuries which case a strain on the NHS, shall we also ban computers due to people suffering from RSI, and work, lets ban work there are a lot of work related injuries everyday.

Sotonbusdriver and bigfella, you are truely a top grade idiots just because you do not like something doesn't mean it should be banned.
whilst im ranting away we had also better ban ranting because it may lead to high blood pressure, oh hold on comuters have already been banned so im not ranting anymore. problems solved.

And speel cheker isn't working today so thats banned as well.

loosehead wrote:

housewife wrote:
Interesting that the Woodman pub in Southampton - that closed suddenly a while back - reopens as a Tesco Extra shortly.....

A tree fell on it & the landlord was trying to sell it.but I've been in there on the weekends 7 it was always full so I think this is a bad move as there's already a store next door so it looks like the pub in the park will get some new customers

..of course Tesco's don't know what they are doing do they!!!

loosehead wrote:

housewife wrote:
Interesting that the Woodman pub in Southampton - that closed suddenly a while back - reopens as a Tesco Extra shortly.....

A tree fell on it & the landlord was trying to sell it.but I've been in there on the weekends 7 it was always full so I think this is a bad move as there's already a store next door so it looks like the pub in the park will get some new customers

..of course Tesco's don't know what they are doing do they!!!

Was the Waggon & Horses ever actually open. Every time I went by it was always shut. What a waste of a good pub. I remember when Ted & Pat had it and it was always brimming over with people. God knows who took it over last but they certainly were a waste of time.They didn't have a clue so didn't have a chance!!! You can't mess people about either you are running a pub and it opens at set times, not might or might not open. And do not get on the subject of food quality!!!!!

SMOKING BAN , put the nails in PUB s coffins . Let s be GREEN conserve the world from global warming , and people actually enjoying . We may not have drought conditions or starvation . But we are swamped with Immigrants on benefits . SO say goodbye to socialising or actually enjoying a life . CONTROLLED STATE will be next . unless its the OLYMPIC CON !

Unbelievable politicians all over the world are taxing a legal product which taken in moderation has a positive health benefit( lowering cholesterol) pays untold millions into the UK's health service but then a think tank says no prison sentences for peddlers( pushers) of illicit drugs?
there's absolutely no tax paid on these product they will sell & try to push it onto any one no matter how old & we're going to be lenient on them?
Look why not have it if you want to drink you have to have an insurance to cover any medical problems that could be blamed on alcohol & then lower all tax on Alcohol.
that would or should shut up the health service who bleat on about the cost to the health service.
Just a question how many people are killed in road accidents? how many die from Alcohol problems?
the police go to a road accident smell the alcohol & that's the problem.
I know of a case where a man went into the back of a parked car was tested passed it with flying colours & ran down the road with his underpants being waved in the air,if they had checked him for drugs it would have been an arrest as he was high as a kite

andysaints007 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

housewife wrote:
Interesting that the Woodman pub in Southampton - that closed suddenly a while back - reopens as a Tesco Extra shortly.....

A tree fell on it & the landlord was trying to sell it.but I've been in there on the weekends 7 it was always full so I think this is a bad move as there's already a store next door so it looks like the pub in the park will get some new customers

..of course Tesco's don't know what they are doing do they!!!

Hold your horses. on the Ordnance site they propose shops homes a bar.
the Maybush pub which use to fill up or at least when I went there it was full is surprise, surprise either turned or being turned into a tesco store how far away is the main store?
what will it do to the shop in Wimpson lane? what about the Co-op & paper shop next door? they're putting up these shops at the detriment to established shops.
I left my Rugby club on a Saturday & got a lift to the Woodman & use to have an enjoyable night.then I tried a Sunday lunch the meal was absolute cr+p if some one could have taken it on as a pub & done decent meals it could have been a goldmine.
I would rather go into the Malvern or the Bellemoor for a meal as these are very good

Are we not missing a basic point about pub closures? A brewery supplies beer to the publican at a substantial profit to the Brewery. The publican then has a business that has to make a profit as well. We, the customer, are paying a substantial double mark up on the products sold through the Pub in this manner. The only solution surely is for the pub to brew it's own beer and have the avantage of controlling the profit on the products, not paying duty on ullage and losses and controlling the quality of the products made. There are good examples of this being done locally.

JerryActic wrote:
Are we not missing a basic point about pub closures? A brewery supplies beer to the publican at a substantial profit to the Brewery. The publican then has a business that has to make a profit as well. We, the customer, are paying a substantial double mark up on the products sold through the Pub in this manner. The only solution surely is for the pub to brew it's own beer and have the avantage of controlling the profit on the products, not paying duty on ullage and losses and controlling the quality of the products made. There are good examples of this being done locally.

Totally agree maybe a few Micro breweries can take over pubs & sell their beer through them & then capitalise on the profit at the end of the procedure

bigfella777 wrote:
Where have all the locals gone? On the waggon!

they started to come back and were really welcomed in the short time the new tenants took over me being one of them, place was transformed, spotlessly clean, and welcoming i never went back in there under the previous tenants the man landlord was so patronising and rude thats when he was in his own pub as it was common knowledge he frequented every pub in the area besides his own , and spent more time with his obsession with moles,

get you facts right wrote:

bigfella777 wrote: Where have all the locals gone? On the waggon!

they started to come back and were really welcomed in the short time the new tenants took over me being one of them, place was transformed, spotlessly clean, and welcoming i never went back in there under the previous tenants the man landlord was so patronising and rude thats when he was in his own pub as it was common knowledge he frequented every pub in the area besides his own , and spent more time with his obsession with moles,

could i also add that i attended the relaunch opening of the waggon on the 1st december after a hand written invitation posted to my home and it was a sell out and a amazing evening packed solid with all us local people in the area i couldnt park in the car park because it was packed, sadly i feel disapointed and upset that they had no option to leave beacause of things bejond there control , and feel saddened that they are being blamed for the closure when i know this wasnt the case there heart and soul was in it! i wish to thank them for there professional and welcoming attitude and wish them well and i shall miss them as they did there best and it was so nice to see us the locals back in our local pub