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Saints chairman Leon Crouch was today facing an anxious wait to see if he can welcome much-needed investment into the club on what could be his final working day as chairman.
Crouch has actively been chasing investment over the past few months and has confirmed this week he is in serious negotiations with an interested party.
Saints are bound by strict PLC rules which mean they are not allowed to make any further comment unless they are able to say something more concrete to the stock exchange.
But the Echo understands the consortium featuring Southampton barrister Jonathan Fulthorpe, John Cousins and former Saints boss Dave Merrington are those most likely to make an offer.
It is believed Crouch was encouraged to call the EGM requisitioned by Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde for the last possible day it could be held - a week today - on the back of the consortium's hopes they could confirm they had the cash for their deal and make an offer by the end of this week.
In stock exchange terms, that means the close of business today.
Though Wilde and Lowe are still likely to come in next week and oversee negotiations, Crouch will be keen to be the man who brings new investors to the table having been involved in negotiations for some time.
Reports have uggested that the consortium have indeed got the money for a bid in place.
But there was little reaction in the City yesterday with the share price remaining unmoved at 32.5p.
If the bid is not forthcoming, Crouch and the other board members who have been told to go by Lowe and Wilde - chief executive Lee Hoos, Keith Wiseman and Patrick Trant - are expected to stand down at the start of next week rather than drag the club through a painful EGM.
That will mean Lowe and Wilde back in at St Mary's next week.
It is rumoured the consortium are willing to pay 50p a share for the club, which would value it at around £14m.
At that price, Lowe's Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shares, which he purchased at various prices, would be worth £938,984.
Wilde's would be worth in excess of £1.5m, which is about break even given what he paid for them in 2006.
Crouch, the second largest individual shareholder behind Wilde, would get £1.397m, a loss of £419,134 on what he paid for them.
Andrew Cowen, who could come back onto the PLC board with Wilde and Lowe, would see his holding valued at £236,245.
Trant's holding would be worth £92,500, just under £13,000 more than he paid for them.
6:37am Friday 9th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Hank on 8:12am Fri 9 May 08
With the club currently valued at £9.1m, I really can't understand why someone would want to pay £14m. I understand that there is always a premium to pay for shares when a takeover occurs, but by over a third defies logic.
As of now the stock market has not been informed of any negociations and the share price hasn't moved ( if someone is rumoured to be offering 0.50p/share, the price would have risen )
It just doesn't add up, I sincerly hope it happens, but somehow I know it wont.
With the club currently valued at £9.1m, I really can't understand why someone would want to pay £14m. I understand that there is always a premium to pay for shares when a takeover occurs, but by over a third defies logic.
As of now the stock market has not been informed of any negociations and the share price hasn't moved ( if someone is rumoured to be offering 0.50p/share, the price would have risen )
It just doesn't add up, I sincerly hope it happens, but somehow I know it wont.
Posted by: Rocker268, Hampshire on 9:06am Fri 9 May 08
Unfotuntatley I don't see this going through before Monday if not it is going to be a crazy frantic day! The most likely situation will now be Lowe and Wilde will be in come Monday, to avoid the EGM, the consortium, if serious will then approach them in the next week or two.
Saints future still seems uncertain in the mix of everything going on in the board room!
Unfotuntatley I don't see this going through before Monday if not it is going to be a crazy frantic day! The most likely situation will now be Lowe and Wilde will be in come Monday, to avoid the EGM, the consortium, if serious will then approach them in the next week or two.
Saints future still seems uncertain in the mix of everything going on in the board room!
Posted by: Nige, Overton on 9:12am Fri 9 May 08
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.
Posted by: Fletch, At Home on 9:16am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nige, Overton[/bold] wrote:
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.[/quote] Is it not similar to the BS that came from Wilde and Lowe when he was clinging onto power for dear life?
Can't see why the anti Crouch sentiment is there when he has achieved exactly the same as the last pair of idiots and the egg that will be on people like your faces if a deal comes through will be laughable.
Keep your head down till monday is best eh.
Nige, Overton wrote:
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.
Is it not similar to the BS that came from Wilde and Lowe when he was clinging onto power for dear life?
Can't see why the anti Crouch sentiment is there when he has achieved exactly the same as the last pair of idiots and the egg that will be on people like your faces if a deal comes through will be laughable.
Keep your head down till monday is best eh.
Posted by: Martin Wild, Lymington on 9:42am Fri 9 May 08
It seems to me that Leon Crouch is the only one trying to do something positive for the club , while the other 2 are just trying to boost their egos !
It seems to me that Leon Crouch is the only one trying to do something positive for the club , while the other 2 are just trying to boost their egos !
Posted by: saintsfc, Southampton on 10:31am Fri 9 May 08
Are they really going to bring in MORE investment or do they just have enough to buy out the current investors....in which case we will be in no better position, we'll just have a new board....again, is this what we really need?
Are they really going to bring in MORE investment or do they just have enough to buy out the current investors....in which case we will be in no better position, we'll just have a new board....again, is this what we really need?
Posted by: Nick H, SO14 on 10:47am Fri 9 May 08
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
Posted by: rational on 11:04am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote:
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn\'t personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn\'t be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR [/quote] What deals were put forward?
I have followed this closely for some time and there has been no offer.
Only the tentative SISU enquiry, which Crouch joined with the other 2 to question.
I'd love to be angry with someone who stopped decent investment of my club, but other than a few made up stories, nothing has come of these supposedly nobel efforts to date.
Nick H wrote:
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn\'t personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn\'t be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
What deals were put forward?
I have followed this closely for some time and there has been no offer.
Only the tentative SISU enquiry, which Crouch joined with the other 2 to question.
I'd love to be angry with someone who stopped decent investment of my club, but other than a few made up stories, nothing has come of these supposedly nobel efforts to date.
Posted by: Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away on 11:26am Fri 9 May 08
Wait until were bankrupt and playing in the paultons park league
Wait until were bankrupt and playing in the paultons park league
Posted by: Jason, Salisbury on 11:42am Fri 9 May 08
Can't see this happening.
Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him.
After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs.
He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive.
Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players.
Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.
Can't see this happening.
Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him.
After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs.
He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive.
Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players.
Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.
Posted by: Tracey, Southampton on 12:06pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Hank[/bold] wrote:
With the club currently valued at £9.1m, I really can\'t understand why someone would want to pay £14m. I understand that there is always a premium to pay for shares when a takeover occurs, but by over a third defies logic. As of now the stock market has not been informed of any negociations and the share price hasn\'t moved ( if someone is rumoured to be offering 0.50p/share, the price would have risen ) It just doesn\'t add up, I sincerly hope it happens, but somehow I know it wont.[/quote] Hank,
Takeover offers have to be made attractive to the major share holders otherwise no take over offer would be accepted. An offer of 50p per share would probably be about right for those who bought shares when they were valued around 40p
Hank wrote:
With the club currently valued at £9.1m, I really can\'t understand why someone would want to pay £14m. I understand that there is always a premium to pay for shares when a takeover occurs, but by over a third defies logic. As of now the stock market has not been informed of any negociations and the share price hasn\'t moved ( if someone is rumoured to be offering 0.50p/share, the price would have risen ) It just doesn\'t add up, I sincerly hope it happens, but somehow I know it wont.
Hank,
Takeover offers have to be made attractive to the major share holders otherwise no take over offer would be accepted. An offer of 50p per share would probably be about right for those who bought shares when they were valued around 40p
Posted by: Andy P, Bitterne on 12:15pm Fri 9 May 08
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC.
As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity.
The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident.
Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson.
Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years.
Says it all.
Thanks Leon.
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC.
As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity.
The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident.
Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson.
Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years.
Says it all.
Thanks Leon.
Posted by: flasheart, southampton on 12:54pm Fri 9 May 08
Once again the turmoil at SFC goes on, when will we here and end to this ongoing saga?. I like most other fans are annoyed to the point where you just dont care anymore. Will this carry on for years to come or can the so called Directors stop thinking about the size of there wallets and think about the fans and most importantly the survival of the club.
Once again the turmoil at SFC goes on, when will we here and end to this ongoing saga?. I like most other fans are annoyed to the point where you just dont care anymore. Will this carry on for years to come or can the so called Directors stop thinking about the size of there wallets and think about the fans and most importantly the survival of the club.
Posted by: Nick H, SO14 on 12:55pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]rational[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn\\\'t personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn\\\'t be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR [/quote] What deals were put forward? I have followed this closely for some time and there has been no offer. Only the tentative SISU enquiry, which Crouch joined with the other 2 to question. I\'d love to be angry with someone who stopped decent investment of my club, but other than a few made up stories, nothing has come of these supposedly nobel efforts to date.[/quote] Rational
Over the past year there have been three groups of or individual investors that were serious about the possibility of investing in us, not common knowledge. All I can say is that some of the names that have been mentioned in that time were not just fantasy stories. These proposed investors were turned off by the internal bickerings, politics and personal agendas of some of the major shareholders. Therefore these possible deals did not even manage to get to the deal stage. ie: before getting to the ins and outs of setting up bids, the work/finance needed just to get all parties to agree may the deal more trouble than they were worth. Hence why people quite rightly say that administartion would not be the worse thing to happen to us, as it would clear the decks, allowing easier transition for any possible investors.
rational wrote:
Nick H wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
What deals were put forward? I have followed this closely for some time and there has been no offer. Only the tentative SISU enquiry, which Crouch joined with the other 2 to question. I\'d love to be angry with someone who stopped decent investment of my club, but other than a few made up stories, nothing has come of these supposedly nobel efforts to date.
Rational
Over the past year there have been three groups of or individual investors that were serious about the possibility of investing in us, not common knowledge. All I can say is that some of the names that have been mentioned in that time were not just fantasy stories. These proposed investors were turned off by the internal bickerings, politics and personal agendas of some of the major shareholders. Therefore these possible deals did not even manage to get to the deal stage. ie: before getting to the ins and outs of setting up bids, the work/finance needed just to get all parties to agree may the deal more trouble than they were worth. Hence why people quite rightly say that administartion would not be the worse thing to happen to us, as it would clear the decks, allowing easier transition for any possible investors.
Posted by: worried of east sussex on 1:16pm Fri 9 May 08
something is going to brake this afternoon, just wait and see!
something is going to brake this afternoon, just wait and see!
Posted by: dainowel, Bristol on 1:40pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nige, Overton[/bold] wrote:
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.[/quote] It makes my blood boil to read arrogant ill-informed comments like this one.
At least Leon Crouch has done right by the club in every respect unlike to the opportunists like Lowe and presumably Wilde as birds of a feather flock together.
This is almost as bad as suffering through the last game and avoiding relegation and in fact it is more important in the long run.
I just hope Merrington & co are serious and do all the right things which first and foremost means getting a bid in by the close of business today otherwise we are into next week and running perilously close to the EGM.
I think it is very noble of Crouch to be willing to take such a big loss on his shareholding - something which those other two upstarts are apparently not willing to do. All they want to do is walk away with all of their cash intact, especially Lowe who can consider himself very lucky if he walks away with nearly a million pounds as rumour has it he paid himself in shares during the course of his chairmanship. It may have been legal but in my book it stinks.
Nige, Overton wrote:
It's just more desperate BS from Crouch in a last ditch attempt to hold onto the reins. Nothing will come of it, just more egg on his face.
It makes my blood boil to read arrogant ill-informed comments like this one.
At least Leon Crouch has done right by the club in every respect unlike to the opportunists like Lowe and presumably Wilde as birds of a feather flock together.
This is almost as bad as suffering through the last game and avoiding relegation and in fact it is more important in the long run.
I just hope Merrington & co are serious and do all the right things which first and foremost means getting a bid in by the close of business today otherwise we are into next week and running perilously close to the EGM.
I think it is very noble of Crouch to be willing to take such a big loss on his shareholding - something which those other two upstarts are apparently not willing to do. All they want to do is walk away with all of their cash intact, especially Lowe who can consider himself very lucky if he walks away with nearly a million pounds as rumour has it he paid himself in shares during the course of his chairmanship. It may have been legal but in my book it stinks.
Posted by: John, Sydenham on 1:40pm Fri 9 May 08
Leon, Are you still here?
Leon, Are you still here?
Posted by: Saint on 1:48pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote:
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR [/quote] How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say!
The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far!
Nick H wrote:
Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say!
The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far!
Posted by: Nick H, SO14 on 2:01pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR [/quote] How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say! The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far![/quote] Saint..... Maybe I know things you dont !!! Maybe not
I do feel that things are going to occur over next few hours. If this one fails we ARE stuck with Lowe and the two faced Wilde.
Saint wrote:
Nick H wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say! The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far!
Saint..... Maybe I know things you dont !!! Maybe not
I do feel that things are going to occur over next few hours. If this one fails we ARE stuck with Lowe and the two faced Wilde.
Posted by: Captain Swing, Southampton on 3:57pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Jason[/bold] wrote:
Can't see this happening. Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him. After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs. He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive. Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players. Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.[/quote] No, Rupert had nothing to do with Southampton or football when Dave Merrington was chucked - somewhat insensitively I feel - out of The Dell. He was sacked, I understood at the time, by Guy Askham, with Lawrie "Director of Football" McMenemy keeping a very low profile. Lawrie brought in Graeme Souness in a blaze of glory soon afterwards.
It is also my understanding that Souness left because he wanted the profit spent exclusively on "big name" players while Rupert (who had arrived that season) wanted to invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system. Lawrie backed Souness and has been slagging off Rupert ever since, but I feel Rupert was the sounder of the two men when it came to the long term interests of Southamptn Football Club. And that is still the case.
Jason wrote:
Can't see this happening. Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him. After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs. He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive. Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players. Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.
No, Rupert had nothing to do with Southampton or football when Dave Merrington was chucked - somewhat insensitively I feel - out of The Dell. He was sacked, I understood at the time, by Guy Askham, with Lawrie "Director of Football" McMenemy keeping a very low profile. Lawrie brought in Graeme Souness in a blaze of glory soon afterwards.
It is also my understanding that Souness left because he wanted the profit spent exclusively on "big name" players while Rupert (who had arrived that season) wanted to invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system. Lawrie backed Souness and has been slagging off Rupert ever since, but I feel Rupert was the sounder of the two men when it came to the long term interests of Southamptn Football Club. And that is still the case.
Posted by: Ric Flair on 4:01pm Fri 9 May 08
Waiting game will take until the season 2015,
Waiting game will take until the season 2015,
Posted by: Dave, Reading on 4:36pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Captain Swing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jason[/bold] wrote: Can't see this happening. Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him. After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs. He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive. Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players. Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.[/quote] No, Rupert had nothing to do with Southampton or football when Dave Merrington was chucked - somewhat insensitively I feel - out of The Dell. He was sacked, I understood at the time, by Guy Askham, with Lawrie "Director of Football" McMenemy keeping a very low profile. Lawrie brought in Graeme Souness in a blaze of glory soon afterwards. It is also my understanding that Souness left because he wanted the profit spent exclusively on "big name" players while Rupert (who had arrived that season) wanted to invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system. Lawrie backed Souness and has been slagging off Rupert ever since, but I feel Rupert was the sounder of the two men when it came to the long term interests of Southamptn Football Club. And that is still the case. [/quote] For:'invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system'
Read: 'lining his own pocket'
Captain Swing wrote:
Jason wrote: Can't see this happening. Although we're hardly going to turn away a good offer, not sure having Merrington in place would be a good thing for any manager who works under him. After all, having been stripped of the job in his mind unfairly, he's likely to want to have some influence on team affairs. He certainly hasn't been slow to give his opinion on Saint's managers in recent times, much of it not very positive. Still, he's an honest guy who did a lot for our club and believes in developing young players. Can't remember though – was Lowe involved when Merrington got sacked? If so, I can't see negotiations being too easy as I doubt there's any love lost.
No, Rupert had nothing to do with Southampton or football when Dave Merrington was chucked - somewhat insensitively I feel - out of The Dell. He was sacked, I understood at the time, by Guy Askham, with Lawrie "Director of Football" McMenemy keeping a very low profile. Lawrie brought in Graeme Souness in a blaze of glory soon afterwards. It is also my understanding that Souness left because he wanted the profit spent exclusively on "big name" players while Rupert (who had arrived that season) wanted to invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system. Lawrie backed Souness and has been slagging off Rupert ever since, but I feel Rupert was the sounder of the two men when it came to the long term interests of Southamptn Football Club. And that is still the case.
For:'invest most of it on developing the club's youth development system'
Read: 'lining his own pocket'
Posted by: Saint on 5:55pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Nick H[/bold] wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR [/quote] How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say! The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far![/quote] Saint..... Maybe I know things you dont !!! Maybe not I do feel that things are going to occur over next few hours. If this one fails we ARE stuck with Lowe and the two faced Wilde. [/quote] Next few hours have passed, so what do you know. Nothing has happen.
Nick H wrote:
Saint wrote: Nick H wrote: Once again the rumour mill is fully operational. To all those that knock Crouch can I just say he and his gang seem to be the only ones that have consistantly tried to attract investment to a club that is so visibly in turmoil and not at first glance a worthy chance to take on. Deals have been put forward and have been shot down by the likes of Lowe and his cronies. Crouch seems to be one of the only chairman that wants the same as the true fans.He does not just want to line his own pockets or feed his ego. So what he hasn't personnally had the funds needed to put into Saints, though like the rest of us true fans, I am sure he would do if they were available. If all our shareholders had his determination and passion for the club and less of their own agendas we wouldn't be in the situation we find ourselves. So from myself , HATS OFF TO YOU LEON, THANKS FOR BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU STATE, A TRUE SAINTS FAN. ALL THE BEST FOR THE FUTURE. PS I know we may not be able to keep him but thanks also for NP,What an astute appointment. COYR COYR
How can you be so sure what Crouch has done and not done. Everything is just hear say! The only thing you can bank on is he is a Saint fan, but sadly that can only go so far!
Saint..... Maybe I know things you dont !!! Maybe not I do feel that things are going to occur over next few hours. If this one fails we ARE stuck with Lowe and the two faced Wilde.
Next few hours have passed, so what do you know. Nothing has happen.
Posted by: Oh well, Eastleigh on 6:16pm Fri 9 May 08
Good bye Leon hello again Rupert..
Good bye Leon hello again Rupert..
Posted by: Terry, Southampton on 6:59pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Andy P[/bold] wrote:
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.[/quote] If Crouch was prepared to lose money then why did he refuse the SISU offer?
Andy P wrote:
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.
If Crouch was prepared to lose money then why did he refuse the SISU offer?
Posted by: Holyland Saint, Israel on 7:42pm Fri 9 May 08
Terry,
I would have thought that was pretty obvious!!
Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it's gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment?
I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we'd all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!!
I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It's totally baffling.
For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans?
COYR
Terry,
I would have thought that was pretty obvious!!
Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it's gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment?
I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we'd all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!!
I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It's totally baffling.
For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans?
COYR
Posted by: Nic, Winch on 7:59pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Andy P[/bold] wrote:
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.[/quote] Crouch doesn't have any option but to lose the money if Lowe/Wilde come back in, dont imagine he's doing it out of love for Saints. Maybe he should have spent more and bought out Lowes shares.
Andy P wrote:
Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.
Crouch doesn't have any option but to lose the money if Lowe/Wilde come back in, dont imagine he's doing it out of love for Saints. Maybe he should have spent more and bought out Lowes shares.
Posted by: Terry, Southampton on 8:05pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Holyland Saint[/bold] wrote:
Terry, I would have thought that was pretty obvious!! Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it\\\'s gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment? I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we\\\'d all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!! I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It\\\'s totally baffling. For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans? COYR[/quote] Yes but who says Crouch is prepared to lose any money from any takeover?
Holyland Saint wrote:
Terry, I would have thought that was pretty obvious!! Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it's gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment? I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we'd all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!! I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It's totally baffling. For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans? COYR
Yes but who says Crouch is prepared to lose any money from any takeover?
Posted by: Andy P on 8:16pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Nic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Andy P[/bold] wrote: Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.[/quote] Crouch doesn't have any option but to lose the money if Lowe/Wilde come back in, dont imagine he's doing it out of love for Saints. Maybe he should have spent more and bought out Lowes shares. [/quote] Why would Crouch lose money, if Dumb and Dumber came back?
And how can Crouch buy anyonre shares, if those who are quite cowardly using those shares, will not sell.
Nic wrote:
Andy P wrote: Giving the fact that CROUCH is prepared to lose hundreds of thousands on the value of the shares he brought to get rid of Lowe in the first place,further demonstrates his only interest is SFC. As for the other two scum-bags,both are purely motivated by greed and a bit of publicity. The difference between Crouch and Lowe is now evident. Crouch listen and took advice from the correct people before appointing Pearson. Lowe,on the other hand, would not,hence ten managers in as many years. Says it all. Thanks Leon.
Crouch doesn't have any option but to lose the money if Lowe/Wilde come back in, dont imagine he's doing it out of love for Saints. Maybe he should have spent more and bought out Lowes shares.
Why would Crouch lose money, if Dumb and Dumber came back?
And how can Crouch buy anyonre shares, if those who are quite cowardly using those shares, will not sell.
Posted by: Tracey, Southampton on 8:17pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Terry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Holyland Saint[/bold] wrote: Terry, I would have thought that was pretty obvious!! Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it\\\'s gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment? I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we\\\'d all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!! I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It\\\'s totally baffling. For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans? COYR[/quote] Yes but who says Crouch is prepared to lose any money from any takeover?[/quote] Terry, the feeling on here seems to be that Crouch is prepared to lose money because the above article has calculated how much each of the major share holders would lose/make if an offer is made of 50p per share.
Personally, I expect 50p to just be an initial offer and who ever is in control of the club during any negotiations will seek a higher offer based on their own valuation of the club and its assets.
Terry wrote:
Holyland Saint wrote: Terry, I would have thought that was pretty obvious!! Surely he is only prepared to loose money if it's gonna benefit the club? Letting a Hedge-Fund outfit come in and do an do an asset strip aint good business mate. Jesus Christ! Coventry were as close as we were for the drop, and that’s with their SISU investment? I personally recognise Crouch for what he is: A decent Saints Fan that was in a position where he could do what we'd all have love to have done, and that was; To get rid of the Cancer at our club. He aint in for his Ego. Far from it, I am sure that he would like nothing more that to hand the club over to a set of safe hands and then take his seat on the terraces (Albeit a nice seat) and enjoy the games!! I still fail to see how a guy that has worked his nutz off 6 Months, for no salary and still be prepared to loose money, be entitled to the abuse that is leveled at him? It's totally baffling. For your own sake Crouchy hand over the club to safe hands and take your seat mate, you do not deserve the cr@p & flack that you get from some elements of our so-called Fans? COYR
Yes but who says Crouch is prepared to lose any money from any takeover?
Terry, the feeling on here seems to be that Crouch is prepared to lose money because the above article has calculated how much each of the major share holders would lose/make if an offer is made of 50p per share.
Personally, I expect 50p to just be an initial offer and who ever is in control of the club during any negotiations will seek a higher offer based on their own valuation of the club and its assets.
Posted by: a on 9:48pm Fri 9 May 08
fulham, birmingham, middlesbrough and villa are all realeasing young players that cant make it in the prem, i reckon we should take the gamble, with this consortium bid maybe 5 mill to spend on a class striker and that little bit extra in midfield??? then maybe sell rasiak and skacel, free up 3 mill to 4 mill to buy defender and goalkeeper!!!
----1. Southampton----86 points
----2. Sheff Utd.----81 Points
----3. fulham----76 points
fulham, birmingham, middlesbrough and villa are all realeasing young players that cant make it in the prem, i reckon we should take the gamble, with this consortium bid maybe 5 mill to spend on a class striker and that little bit extra in midfield??? then maybe sell rasiak and skacel, free up 3 mill to 4 mill to buy defender and goalkeeper!!!
----1. Southampton----86 points
----2. Sheff Utd.----81 Points
----3. fulham----76 points
Posted by: Barnacle Bill, somewhere on the high seas on 12:01am Sat 10 May 08
[bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold]
Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker. Posted by: Captain Swing, Southampton on 7:09am Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold] [/quote] Because, my web footed one, I go against the grain. But I think you will have to re-read Eric Hobsbawm and E.P. Thompson again to understand where I am comming from.
Further, if you check out my postings you will find that I am not so much pro-Rupert as indignant at the facile black publicity waged against him by David Bick, ably assisted by "SISA" and the Echo, leading up to the time he was ousted.
You and many others, evidently, are happy with the Saints content in this rag, but I, unlike you and many others, am not a coprophile.
And surely, the main point of Captain Swing movement (other than smashing up farm machinery) was a critical attitude to "popular opinion" as projected by the "establishment". And I think it safe to say that the Echo is establishment as it is possible to get - in that it owned by a conservative, American owned multi-national company, who's excutives couldn't find Southampton on a map (and, by the way, is about to switch most of it's content production to India)
And, for the record, I do like Rupert, and one of the main reasons I like him is that he was always happy to take on establishment thinking; the establishment in this case being the FA and the national and local media. He is a victim of conservatives and small minded conservative thinkers, like Keith Wiseman and the two ignoramuses who run the Saints coverage at Newspaper House (and will soon be redundant, because I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of graduates in and around New Delhi who know more about the Saints and have a better grasp of English thaCart and Leitch).
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
Barnacle Bill wrote:
Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.
Because, my web footed one, I go against the grain. But I think you will have to re-read Eric Hobsbawm and E.P. Thompson again to understand where I am comming from.
Further, if you check out my postings you will find that I am not so much pro-Rupert as indignant at the facile black publicity waged against him by David Bick, ably assisted by "SISA" and the Echo, leading up to the time he was ousted.
You and many others, evidently, are happy with the Saints content in this rag, but I, unlike you and many others, am not a coprophile.
And surely, the main point of Captain Swing movement (other than smashing up farm machinery) was a critical attitude to "popular opinion" as projected by the "establishment". And I think it safe to say that the Echo is establishment as it is possible to get - in that it owned by a conservative, American owned multi-national company, who's excutives couldn't find Southampton on a map (and, by the way, is about to switch most of it's content production to India)
And, for the record, I do like Rupert, and one of the main reasons I like him is that he was always happy to take on establishment thinking; the establishment in this case being the FA and the national and local media. He is a victim of conservatives and small minded conservative thinkers, like Keith Wiseman and the two ignoramuses who run the Saints coverage at Newspaper House (and will soon be redundant, because I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of graduates in and around New Delhi who know more about the Saints and have a better grasp of English thaCart and Leitch).
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
Posted by: Alvin, winchester on 7:48am Sat 10 May 08
Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Posted by: crew 657, new forest on 5:14pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold] [/quote] shut it scummer
any millbrook cowards on today?
Barnacle Bill wrote:
Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.
shut it scummer
any millbrook cowards on today?
Posted by: Kabba, one of the hardest men in millbrook on 5:19pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]crew 657[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote: [bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold] [/quote] shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?[/quote] Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy
crew 657 wrote:
Barnacle Bill wrote: Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.
shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?
Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy
Posted by: crew 657, new forest on 5:27pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Kabba[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]crew 657[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote: [bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold] [/quote] shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?[/quote] Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy[/quote] hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaah thats a contridiction
what do you propose scummer hahahahahahah
Kabba wrote:
crew 657 wrote:
Barnacle Bill wrote: Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.
shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?
Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy
hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaah thats a contridiction
what do you propose scummer hahahahahahah
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 5:35pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]crew 657[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kabba[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]crew 657[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Barnacle Bill[/bold] wrote: [bold]Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.[/bold] [/quote] shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?[/quote] Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy[/quote] hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaah thats a contridiction what do you propose scummer hahahahahahah[/quote] shut it scummer
crew 657 wrote:
Kabba wrote: crew 657 wrote: Barnacle Bill wrote: Why do you call yourself Captain Swing as you bear no resemblance by thought or deed to those brave working class heroes of 1830? A better name would be @rse licker.
shut it scummer any millbrook cowards on today?
Yeh, i'm from millbrook, what are you gonna do about it? woosy
hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaah thats a contridiction what do you propose scummer hahahahahahah
shut it scummer
Posted by: Crane Man, 37 Berth on 7:24pm Sat 10 May 08
You have got a long wait mate the clock is ticking.
You have got a long wait mate the clock is ticking.
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 12:35am Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote:
Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way.
His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Alvin wrote:
Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way.
His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Posted by: Captain Swing, Southampton on 6:44am Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] And we won't have a football club at all if we continue with the present regime.
There's a conundrum.
One defence of Rupert on a single posting is enough I feel, I have never recognised the "only in it for himself" theory that has been propagated so successfully. He’s a financial pragmatist with a romantic streak in my book. Hopefull he’ll bring Clive Woodward back with him – but that would be asking a bit too much I feel.
Simon Templar wrote:
Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
And we won't have a football club at all if we continue with the present regime.
There's a conundrum.
One defence of Rupert on a single posting is enough I feel, I have never recognised the "only in it for himself" theory that has been propagated so successfully. He’s a financial pragmatist with a romantic streak in my book. Hopefull he’ll bring Clive Woodward back with him – but that would be asking a bit too much I feel.
Posted by: Tracey, Southampton on 3:34pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] Simon,
As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
Simon Templar wrote:
Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Simon,
As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
Posted by: Michael, Itchen on 6:45pm Sun 11 May 08
If the SISU investment would have been a saviour to the Saints, why did Coventry finish below the Saints?
Let's wait and see what happens this week.
My only hope is that Nogel Pearson is head coach next season.
If the SISU investment would have been a saviour to the Saints, why did Coventry finish below the Saints?
Let's wait and see what happens this week.
My only hope is that Nogel Pearson is head coach next season.
Posted by: sailor sam, portsmouth on 7:51pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Tracey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?[/quote] You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such.
The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated.
If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde
rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal.
I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
Tracey wrote:
Simon Templar wrote: Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such.
The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated.
If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde
rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal.
I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
Posted by: Simon Templar, Woolston on 7:58pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tracey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?[/quote] You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such.
The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated.
If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde
rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal.
I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
[/quote] Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures.
Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company.
Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.
sailor sam wrote:
Tracey wrote:
Simon Templar wrote: Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such.
The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated.
If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde
rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal.
I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures.
Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company.
Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.
Posted by: saintorsinner, Fareham on 9:41pm Sun 11 May 08
Captain Swing - are you Rupert Lowe? - in which case here are a few questions for you:
- do you intend to continue in the vein of chairmen who are 'in it for the money and the ego boost' or do you intend to make a genuine contribution to the club?
- do you think that you have anything to learn from your succession of management appointments the last time you were at the club?
- given that your friend Clive was so desparate to get into football and you that you gave him such a prominent role (and salary), what club is he with now?
- what are your thoughts on splitting the fan base of the club once again?
- do you still think that the majority of Saints fans are just a **** nuisance who should understand that everything you do is for their own good?
- what have you been doing since you were last at Saints and why are you so deperate to return?
Captain Swing - are you Rupert Lowe? - in which case here are a few questions for you:
- do you intend to continue in the vein of chairmen who are 'in it for the money and the ego boost' or do you intend to make a genuine contribution to the club?
- do you think that you have anything to learn from your succession of management appointments the last time you were at the club?
- given that your friend Clive was so desparate to get into football and you that you gave him such a prominent role (and salary), what club is he with now?
- what are your thoughts on splitting the fan base of the club once again?
- do you still think that the majority of Saints fans are just a **** nuisance who should understand that everything you do is for their own good?
- what have you been doing since you were last at Saints and why are you so deperate to return?
Posted by: tracey, Southampton on 10:00pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Tracey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?[/quote] You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such. The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated. If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal. I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present! [/quote] Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures. Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company. Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.[/quote] Once again Simon you fail to say how you would finance the team, where would you raise the money from for new players? You want to get back to the premiership so tell us how you would raise the funds to buy top quality players.
Simon Templar wrote:
sailor sam wrote: Tracey wrote: Simon Templar wrote: Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \'success\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such. The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated. If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal. I don't particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures. Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company. Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.
Once again Simon you fail to say how you would finance the team, where would you raise the money from for new players? You want to get back to the premiership so tell us how you would raise the funds to buy top quality players.
Posted by: Tracey, Southampton on 10:15pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sailor sam[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Tracey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Simon Templar[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alvin[/bold] wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on! [/quote] Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any \\\'success\\\' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.[/quote] Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?[/quote] You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such. The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated. If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal. I don\'t particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present! [/quote] Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures. Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company. Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.[/quote] Oh by the way Simon, please tell me which of these other revenue streams didn't benefit the team, I assume you have seem the accounts to see where the revenue from these streams went?
Share buy backs are a standard way of cutting out goings as it reduces the amount that gets paid out in dividends.
You object to Lowe having a salary, I don't hear you complaining about Crouch getting his salary - double standards perhaps?
Simon Templar wrote:
sailor sam wrote: Tracey wrote: Simon Templar wrote: Alvin wrote: Who cares if Lowe is greedy and in it only for himself? Surely that is a recipe ofr Lowe to do all he can to secure the future of the Club? Otherwise, he is loses cash and i am pretty sure he would HATE losing even a penny. I am all for it.....bring it on!
Saints making money for Lowe is NOT a recipe for Saints to produce football the fans will want to watch or indeed necessarily bring any 'success' our way. His management style is worry about the profit margins and his take home rather than inspire the Southampton faithfull. We wil achieve nothing under a Lowe influenced regime.
Simon, As chairman Lowe is right to worry about profit margins and boring financial things. All businesses have to be run profitably otherwise they go bust, is that what you want to happen to the team you claim to support?
You are right Tracey. A football club is a business, and has to be run as such. The sad truth is that, for some little while, the assets have been sold, and the money received appears to have evapporated. If the club goes into administration, everybody loses! The investors/shareholde rs lose their money. The fans lose players that they would like to keep, and probably keep the ones they would like sold, because no other club wants them, and the players can, I believe, move on for free if someone offers a deal. I don\'t particularly like Mr Lowe, but money is his speciality, and that is what you need at present!
Yes, we were rolling in it when he was here, making record signings and exciting the fans with some astute and inspiring captures. Hang on, what am I saying, we signed an endless stream of second raters and duds and money was used to creates other income avenues that DIDNT benefit the team, share buy backs and Director salaries that lined Lowe and his cabals pockets at the expense of the SFC Limited Company. Lowe is one almightly blot on the Southampton landscape.
Oh by the way Simon, please tell me which of these other revenue streams didn't benefit the team, I assume you have seem the accounts to see where the revenue from these streams went?
Share buy backs are a standard way of cutting out goings as it reduces the amount that gets paid out in dividends.
You object to Lowe having a salary, I don't hear you complaining about Crouch getting his salary - double standards perhaps?
Posted by: crew 657, new forest on 10:50pm Sun 11 May 08
heres hoping any investment falls through and scum go into recievership and get docked 15 points hahahahahah
just like blue Billy, scum dave, millbrook pr@ck and sunner the club is pathetic along with its supposed fans
We had joy we had fun
we had scummers on the run
heres hoping any investment falls through and scum go into recievership and get docked 15 points hahahahahah
just like blue Billy, scum dave, millbrook pr@ck and sunner the club is pathetic along with its supposed fans
We had joy we had fun
we had scummers on the run
Posted by: crew 657, new forest on 11:17pm Sun 11 May 08
i'm sorry saints fans, i'm very immature. saints is a wonderful team and southampton is a great city
i'm sorry saints fans, i'm very immature. saints is a wonderful team and southampton is a great city
Posted by: the Truth Master, in the Real World on 9:25am today
[quote][bold]crew 657[/bold] wrote:
heres hoping any investment falls through and scum go into recievership and get docked 15 points hahahahahah just like blue Billy, scum dave, millbrook pr@ck and sunner the club is pathetic along with its supposed fans We had joy we had fun we had scummers on the run[/quote] I see we have another original posting from that pikey, inbred skate, well done, you are a credit to PFC and its followers!
WASTER!
crew 657 wrote:
heres hoping any investment falls through and scum go into recievership and get docked 15 points hahahahahah just like blue Billy, scum dave, millbrook pr@ck and sunner the club is pathetic along with its supposed fans We had joy we had fun we had scummers on the run
I see we have another original posting from that pikey, inbred skate, well done, you are a credit to PFC and its followers!
WASTER!
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