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Pensioner arrested after cannabis found at OAP block
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| Meon Court, Harefield |
POLICE found cannabis
plants worth more than
£10,000 when they raided a
flat in a sheltered accommodation
block for elderly people
in Southampton.
Two police cars and a lorry arrived at
Coronation Homes sheltered accommodation
in Meon Court, Harefield, at
about 10am yesterday.
Four officers accompanied by representatives
from Southern Electric and
Southampton City Council knocked on
the door and went into the first-floor
flat.
A man in his 70s was arrested as a
result of the raid in which 31 plants and
extensive equipment were seized from
the loft. He was later released on police
bail.
Sgt Vanessa Ford, of Bitterne police,
commented: "Finding this kind of
thing at an old people's home is clearly
very unusual.
"This is not a cannabis factory on the
scale we sometimes see but we have
seized a lot of equipment including fans
and lamps."
She said the police executed a warrant
and searched the flat, at which point
they immediately arrested the man and
took him to a waiting car.
Neighbour Carol Chercher, 49, said:
"We realised something was going on
when we saw two police cars waiting at
the back of the street and suddenly
come round together with a lorry.
"They got out and disappeared into
the flat and then we saw them taking
lots of plants out.
"A little while later they brought the
man out and put him into a police car.
"I couldn't believe it, it's normally so
quiet around here."
Another neighbour Carol Haines, 53,
said: "It was almost hilarious to see the
police raid an old people's home.
Everyone in the street was out watching.
We used to see lots of people calling
at his flat and he would often be heading
out at unusual times."
A Southampton City Council
spokesman said: "I can confirm that we
have been helping police with a drugs
operation in relation to Meon Court,
one of our sheltered housing blocks."
12:04pm Saturday 17th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: edna, eastleigh on 10:18am Sat 17 May 08
Dear oh dear what is this world comming to oap growing there own weed, no wonder the children are like they are today !!
Dear oh dear what is this world comming to oap growing there own weed, no wonder the children are like they are today !!
Posted by: Denzil, Chilworth on 10:28am Sat 17 May 08
"A man in his 70s was arrested and later released on police bail"
Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Durg dealers need to be executed.
"A man in his 70s was arrested and later released on police bail"
Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Durg dealers need to be executed.
Posted by: penny, home on 10:35am Sat 17 May 08
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you!
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you!
Posted by: Duh!, Soton on 10:50am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]penny[/bold] wrote:
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you! [/quote] If the pot was worth that amount it wouldn't have been for personal use..and if the old fart was dealing to local kids, the likes of you would soon have been whining about why the police hadn't done anything.
Just because the man is in his 70's, means nothing. If he'd been a 70 year old child molester you wouldn't have excused him.
penny wrote:
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you!
If the pot was worth that amount it wouldn't have been for personal use..and if the old fart was dealing to local kids, the likes of you would soon have been whining about why the police hadn't done anything.
Just because the man is in his 70's, means nothing. If he'd been a 70 year old child molester you wouldn't have excused him.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 11:09am Sat 17 May 08
What a great story!
Half of me is thinking "Good on ya, 70-year-old stoner, stick it to The Man!" The other half of me is thinking about all the letters pensioners have sent in to the Daily Echo which follow along the lines "The trouble with the youth of today... hooked on drugs... no respect for the law..."
Sorry Penny, they'll never legalise it, not while there's a moderate right wing government nannying us to appease the wrath of Daily Mail readers. Oh yeah, and blah blah blah, slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence). The ACMD needs to be gutted, and relaunched with proactive members who understand their remit and ensure the Home Secretary actually listens to them. The only change I can see they've made in the last ten years is lobby for the reclassification of cannabis to class C. Since then, every piece of advice they've provided has been ignored. You can't buy (harmless) magic mushrooms anymore because the government followed its own agenda, and the ACMD couldn't be bothered to get involved. Ketamine (more harmful than speed and LSD) is still a class C drug because we are using a drug classification system that has barely changed since the 70s, despite plenty of new medical evidence emerging over the last thirty years.
The ACMD is not fit for purpose, it needs more balance, it needs more influence, its remit needs reclarifying and drug laws need updating urgently.
What a great story!
Half of me is thinking "Good on ya, 70-year-old stoner, stick it to The Man!" The other half of me is thinking about all the letters pensioners have sent in to the Daily Echo which follow along the lines "The trouble with the youth of today... hooked on drugs... no respect for the law..."
Sorry Penny, they'll never legalise it, not while there's a moderate right wing government nannying us to appease the wrath of Daily Mail readers. Oh yeah, and blah blah blah, slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence). The ACMD needs to be gutted, and relaunched with proactive members who understand their remit and ensure the Home Secretary actually listens to them. The only change I can see they've made in the last ten years is lobby for the reclassification of cannabis to class C. Since then, every piece of advice they've provided has been ignored. You can't buy (harmless) magic mushrooms anymore because the government followed its own agenda, and the ACMD couldn't be bothered to get involved. Ketamine (more harmful than speed and LSD) is still a class C drug because we are using a drug classification system that has barely changed since the 70s, despite plenty of new medical evidence emerging over the last thirty years.
The ACMD is not fit for purpose, it needs more balance, it needs more influence, its remit needs reclarifying and drug laws need updating urgently.
Posted by: OAP on 11:20am Sat 17 May 08
One way of subsidising the pathetic pension...
Go for it grandad...
One way of subsidising the pathetic pension...
Go for it grandad...
Posted by: JB Soton, Gosport on 11:39am Sat 17 May 08
No of course he was not growing it for his own personal use!
He was probaly not growing it at all , someone else is and he is being paid a 'bung' each week because the place is being used as a 'safe' house,who would have thought it? methinks someone has been 'grassed' up! if you will pardon the pun.
No of course he was not growing it for his own personal use!
He was probaly not growing it at all , someone else is and he is being paid a 'bung' each week because the place is being used as a 'safe' house,who would have thought it? methinks someone has been 'grassed' up! if you will pardon the pun.
Posted by: Christoff on 11:44am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Duh![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]penny[/bold] wrote: can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you! [/quote] If the pot was worth that amount it wouldn't have been for personal use..and if the old fart was dealing to local kids, the likes of you would soon have been whining about why the police hadn't done anything. Just because the man is in his 70's, means nothing. If he'd been a 70 year old child molester you wouldn't have excused him.[/quote] agreed. If it was a couple of plants for personal use I would agree with Penny but 31 plants is stretchin the personal use excuse!
Duh! wrote:
penny wrote: can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you!
If the pot was worth that amount it wouldn't have been for personal use..and if the old fart was dealing to local kids, the likes of you would soon have been whining about why the police hadn't done anything. Just because the man is in his 70's, means nothing. If he'd been a 70 year old child molester you wouldn't have excused him.
agreed. If it was a couple of plants for personal use I would agree with Penny but 31 plants is stretchin the personal use excuse!
Posted by: Christoff on 11:46am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Gilmore[/bold] wrote:
What a great story! Half of me is thinking "Good on ya, 70-year-old stoner, stick it to The Man!" The other half of me is thinking about all the letters pensioners have sent in to the Daily Echo which follow along the lines "The trouble with the youth of today... hooked on drugs... no respect for the law..." Sorry Penny, they'll never legalise it, not while there's a moderate right wing government nannying us to appease the wrath of Daily Mail readers. Oh yeah, and blah blah blah, slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence). The ACMD needs to be gutted, and relaunched with proactive members who understand their remit and ensure the Home Secretary actually listens to them. The only change I can see they've made in the last ten years is lobby for the reclassification of cannabis to class C. Since then, every piece of advice they've provided has been ignored. You can't buy (harmless) magic mushrooms anymore because the government followed its own agenda, and the ACMD couldn't be bothered to get involved. Ketamine (more harmful than speed and LSD) is still a class C drug because we are using a drug classification system that has barely changed since the 70s, despite plenty of new medical evidence emerging over the last thirty years. The ACMD is not fit for purpose, it needs more balance, it needs more influence, its remit needs reclarifying and drug laws need updating urgently.[/quote] I agree with a lot of what you have said but I think it is more the case that the Government have simply ignored the ACMD despite them having fairly up to date knowledge and evidence of the drugs and the effects. The reclassification of cannabis recently is a prime example....what is the point of having a group of experts that say Cannabis should remain class C and then having some dimwit in government overide it to become B because they want to be able to pinch a few more scallywags when they are in possession of it!
Madness
Gilmore wrote:
What a great story! Half of me is thinking "Good on ya, 70-year-old stoner, stick it to The Man!" The other half of me is thinking about all the letters pensioners have sent in to the Daily Echo which follow along the lines "The trouble with the youth of today... hooked on drugs... no respect for the law..." Sorry Penny, they'll never legalise it, not while there's a moderate right wing government nannying us to appease the wrath of Daily Mail readers. Oh yeah, and blah blah blah, slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence). The ACMD needs to be gutted, and relaunched with proactive members who understand their remit and ensure the Home Secretary actually listens to them. The only change I can see they've made in the last ten years is lobby for the reclassification of cannabis to class C. Since then, every piece of advice they've provided has been ignored. You can't buy (harmless) magic mushrooms anymore because the government followed its own agenda, and the ACMD couldn't be bothered to get involved. Ketamine (more harmful than speed and LSD) is still a class C drug because we are using a drug classification system that has barely changed since the 70s, despite plenty of new medical evidence emerging over the last thirty years. The ACMD is not fit for purpose, it needs more balance, it needs more influence, its remit needs reclarifying and drug laws need updating urgently.
I agree with a lot of what you have said but I think it is more the case that the Government have simply ignored the ACMD despite them having fairly up to date knowledge and evidence of the drugs and the effects. The reclassification of cannabis recently is a prime example....what is the point of having a group of experts that say Cannabis should remain class C and then having some dimwit in government overide it to become B because they want to be able to pinch a few more scallywags when they are in possession of it!
Madness
Posted by: George on 11:50am Sat 17 May 08
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)"
You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis.
Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)"
You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis.
Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
Posted by: Christoff on 11:53am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.[/quote] never trust the Americans George! Their leader clearly has mental health issues ;-)
George wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
never trust the Americans George! Their leader clearly has mental health issues ;-)
Posted by: Patron, Soton on 12:02pm Sat 17 May 08
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
Posted by: the Truth Master, in the Real World on 12:10pm Sat 17 May 08
I heard another flat was raided as well, on a tip-off that a pensioner had weed in every room but the Police later discovered it was due to his incontinence!
I heard another flat was raided as well, on a tip-off that a pensioner had weed in every room but the Police later discovered it was due to his incontinence!
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 12:13pm Sat 17 May 08
Why do some of you just assume he's been dealing? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
So a pensioner was growing a few cannabis plants and yes 35 is a few. They're not worth 10,000, that's a crazy over estimate by the police I expect, more likely about £2000 although I'm not expert. I do know that the police are vastly exagerate the value of each crop.
Remember, cannabis is a much safer drug than alcohol. You wouldn't be raided because you went on a booze cruise and bought 500cans of stella and 200packs of fags for personal consumption.
It's persecution of the vulnerable, it's persecution full stop and it must and will stop.
The law is a joke, both alcohol and tobbaco kill about 200,000 people in the UK every year. Cannabis doesn't kill anyone yet there are around 5million people using it. This poor old man just wanted to avoid having to go to a dealer to get cannabis, and what's wrong with wanting to avoid associated with hardened criminals often selling more dangerous drugs like crack and heroin?
And we lock him up for making the safer rational choice to use cannais instead of alcohol or tobbaco. What is wrong with this country, it's insane.
Why do some of you just assume he's been dealing? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
So a pensioner was growing a few cannabis plants and yes 35 is a few. They're not worth 10,000, that's a crazy over estimate by the police I expect, more likely about £2000 although I'm not expert. I do know that the police are vastly exagerate the value of each crop.
Remember, cannabis is a much safer drug than alcohol. You wouldn't be raided because you went on a booze cruise and bought 500cans of stella and 200packs of fags for personal consumption.
It's persecution of the vulnerable, it's persecution full stop and it must and will stop.
The law is a joke, both alcohol and tobbaco kill about 200,000 people in the UK every year. Cannabis doesn't kill anyone yet there are around 5million people using it. This poor old man just wanted to avoid having to go to a dealer to get cannabis, and what's wrong with wanting to avoid associated with hardened criminals often selling more dangerous drugs like crack and heroin?
And we lock him up for making the safer rational choice to use cannais instead of alcohol or tobbaco. What is wrong with this country, it's insane.
Posted by: Confused on 12:17pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]penny[/bold] wrote:
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you! [/quote] A very strange post, that tells me Penny is the sort of person who criticises Police for enforcing the laws she doesn't believe are worthy, whilst reminding them that they should be busy enforcing the laws she does believe in.
What planet are you on......
penny wrote:
can people really not see the madness in this plant being illegal, arresting a 70 year old! for growing his own pot..the police must be really proud of themselves, well done boys, now how about some real criminals or is that to hard for you!
A very strange post, that tells me Penny is the sort of person who criticises Police for enforcing the laws she doesn't believe are worthy, whilst reminding them that they should be busy enforcing the laws she does believe in.
What planet are you on......
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 12:19pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)"
You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis.
Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.[/quote] I've looked at plenty of research (drugs are a bit of a favourite reading topic for me, if you hadn't guessed by now). Correlation does not imply causation. There is no conclusive evidence, and the matter is still very much in debate, among American scientists as much as everyone else. As easily as you can argue that cannabis increases likelihood of psychosis, you could say that those with psychosis are more likely to use cannabis. You also have to think about other confounding environmental factors which may lead to mental illness, and the correlation between these confounding factors and the availability of cannabis, peer pressure, income, etc, etc. It's near impossible to perform a fair and balanced study which can conclusively prove cannabis increases likelihood of psychosis unless you lock your test subjects in boxes with the same environmental conditions for 20 years.
Don't mean to be pedantic, but the studies scientists have performed on this hypothesis are not fair and balanced, so therefore not conclusive.
George wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)"
You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis.
Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
I've looked at plenty of research (drugs are a bit of a favourite reading topic for me, if you hadn't guessed by now). Correlation does not imply causation. There is no conclusive evidence, and the matter is still very much in debate, among American scientists as much as everyone else. As easily as you can argue that cannabis increases likelihood of psychosis, you could say that those with psychosis are more likely to use cannabis. You also have to think about other confounding environmental factors which may lead to mental illness, and the correlation between these confounding factors and the availability of cannabis, peer pressure, income, etc, etc. It's near impossible to perform a fair and balanced study which can conclusively prove cannabis increases likelihood of psychosis unless you lock your test subjects in boxes with the same environmental conditions for 20 years.
Don't mean to be pedantic, but the studies scientists have performed on this hypothesis are not fair and balanced, so therefore not conclusive.
Posted by: Officer on 12:19pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote:
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.[/quote] You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Patron wrote:
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 12:20pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote]George wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.[/quote]
There is little evidence of a causal link between psychosis and cannabis use. For example, rates of schizophrenia and related serious psychotic illness have not really changed much since records began, between about 1 and 2% And that's internationally. However there has been a dramatic increase in the use of cannabis. Clearly cannabis use does not cause psychosis, otherwise there would be an epidemic.
Also, if cannabis is such a threat to mental health, why would the American Psychiatric Association Assembly (a very respectable US PSYCHIATRIC BODY) Unanimously Back Medical Marijuana? huh? Might it be that cannabidiol is an useful anxiolytic and anti-psychotic drug which has been shown to be as effective as atypical anti-psychotics in treating schizophrenia.
Quite simply, there is a much bigger link and a proven causal link between alcohol use and psychosis, so trying to argue that cannabis should be illegal on health grounds when the evidence isn't even there, it's very very weak is stupid.
It needs to be legalised, to protect the public from the much greater health risk that resin is often contaminated with carcinogenic crap like diesal and boot polish etc, and resin makes up about half the cannabis market.
People will always smoke cannabis, evne if you give the death sentence for dealers it will still be dealt.
George wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
There is little evidence of a causal link between psychosis and cannabis use. For example, rates of schizophrenia and related serious psychotic illness have not really changed much since records began, between about 1 and 2% And that's internationally. However there has been a dramatic increase in the use of cannabis. Clearly cannabis use does not cause psychosis, otherwise there would be an epidemic.
Also, if cannabis is such a threat to mental health, why would the American Psychiatric Association Assembly (a very respectable US PSYCHIATRIC BODY) Unanimously Back Medical Marijuana? huh? Might it be that cannabidiol is an useful anxiolytic and anti-psychotic drug which has been shown to be as effective as atypical anti-psychotics in treating schizophrenia.
Quite simply, there is a much bigger link and a proven causal link between alcohol use and psychosis, so trying to argue that cannabis should be illegal on health grounds when the evidence isn't even there, it's very very weak is stupid.
It needs to be legalised, to protect the public from the much greater health risk that resin is often contaminated with carcinogenic crap like diesal and boot polish etc, and resin makes up about half the cannabis market.
People will always smoke cannabis, evne if you give the death sentence for dealers it will still be dealt.
Posted by: Patron, Soton on 12:29pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Officer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote:
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.[/quote] You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.[/quote] Why? back up your comments.
Officer wrote:
Patron wrote:
Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Why? back up your comments.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 12:31pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote="Paul"]lots of stuff about cannabis[/quote]
Paul, I bow to your skills.
Incidentally, there is a death penalty on cannabis possession in Vietnam and I met more stoners there than I have over here.
The ABC classification isn't working, it's time to look into alternatives.
lots of stuff about cannabis
Paul, I bow to your skills.
Incidentally, there is a death penalty on cannabis possession in Vietnam and I met more stoners there than I have over here.
The ABC classification isn't working, it's time to look into alternatives.
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 1:48pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote]Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Drug dealers need to be executed.[/quote]
Really, there are a couple of former bigtime drug dealers in the house of lords. Are you calling for their execution? I'll bet in your house, you have some of the drugs they produced. You know... like marlborough lights, whisky etc.
So do you want to execute them? Would it be a good idea to go around killing checkout staff in tescos? I think not!
Those who drink and/or smoke have no problem with drug dealers, those two drugs are two of the most dangerous on the planet, the most addictive and damaging to health.
Even if you drink in moderation, you're still making use of the services of drug dealers. Just because it's a legal drug does not mean the act is any more morally acceptable. The law is discrimintive, it's unfair, unjust and persecutory. And the sheer hypocricy of both alcohol and tobbaco being so freely available, used and abused and ACCEPTED, while any other drug use is looked down upon and punished, demonstrates that point very well.
Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Drug dealers need to be executed.
Really, there are a couple of former bigtime drug dealers in the house of lords. Are you calling for their execution? I'll bet in your house, you have some of the drugs they produced. You know... like marlborough lights, whisky etc.
So do you want to execute them? Would it be a good idea to go around killing checkout staff in tescos? I think not!
Those who drink and/or smoke have no problem with drug dealers, those two drugs are two of the most dangerous on the planet, the most addictive and damaging to health.
Even if you drink in moderation, you're still making use of the services of drug dealers. Just because it's a legal drug does not mean the act is any more morally acceptable. The law is discrimintive, it's unfair, unjust and persecutory. And the sheer hypocricy of both alcohol and tobbaco being so freely available, used and abused and ACCEPTED, while any other drug use is looked down upon and punished, demonstrates that point very well.
Posted by: sillybilly, da potting shed on 1:49pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]the Truth Master[/bold] wrote:
I heard another flat was raided as well, on a tip-off that a pensioner had weed in every room but the Police later discovered it was due to his incontinence![/quote] dats funny-nice 1 buddio :P
the Truth Master wrote:
I heard another flat was raided as well, on a tip-off that a pensioner had weed in every room but the Police later discovered it was due to his incontinence!
dats funny-nice 1 buddio :P
Posted by: mr x on 2:03pm Sat 17 May 08
old people are being forced into crime because of there low pension and high cost of living.
31 plants = £10.000, dont make me laugh !!
old people are being forced into crime because of there low pension and high cost of living.
31 plants = £10.000, dont make me laugh !!
Posted by: likes occasional puff but doesnt drink, beanbag on 2:20pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Officer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.[/quote] You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.[/quote] Why would he want to get out more when he has pot and mars bars at home? sounds like a perfect day in to me!
Officer wrote:
Patron wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Why would he want to get out more when he has pot and mars bars at home? sounds like a perfect day in to me!
Posted by: mary james, reading on 2:28pm Sat 17 May 08
overgrow the government.
Posted by: Bill, DeSoto MO USA on 2:29pm Sat 17 May 08
Here we go again. All the junkies trying to justify their reasons for smoking pot. The last time I said this on this site someone called me a twit and said that cannabis is not junk, well I have to disagree, Illegal drugs are illegal drugs no matter what age you are.
Here we go again. All the junkies trying to justify their reasons for smoking pot. The last time I said this on this site someone called me a twit and said that cannabis is not junk, well I have to disagree, Illegal drugs are illegal drugs no matter what age you are.
Posted by: likes a puff but doesnt drink, on beanbag on 2:35pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Bill[/bold] wrote:
Here we go again. All the junkies trying to justify their reasons for smoking pot. The last time I said this on this site someone called me a twit and said that cannabis is not junk, well I have to disagree, Illegal drugs are illegal drugs no matter what age you are.[/quote] illegal drugs are illegal drugs because the goverment doesn't get taxes from them, legal drugs are legal drugs because the goverment makes a fortune from them.
Bill wrote:
Here we go again. All the junkies trying to justify their reasons for smoking pot. The last time I said this on this site someone called me a twit and said that cannabis is not junk, well I have to disagree, Illegal drugs are illegal drugs no matter what age you are.
illegal drugs are illegal drugs because the goverment doesn't get taxes from them, legal drugs are legal drugs because the goverment makes a fortune from them.
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 2:44pm Sat 17 May 08
Yes that's right "illegal drugs are illegal no matter what age you are". So whether you're 21,18, 15, even 5 years old, they're illegal but, they're also available.
However, 'legal' drugs are legal for people over 18 years old. Can you see the logic in that? When you make drugs illegal, the people who sell them don't care what age their customers are.
Cannabis is not junk, it's a plant that contains around 400 chemicals which have been consumed for thousands of years and have a number of medicinal benefits, including causing apoptosis (programmed cell death) in human cancer cells. I wouldn't call a subtance that can kill cancer cells junk would you?
Not to mention its use as an analgesic for people with chronic pain etc. Forget about that, it's junk.
Do you remember miriani wine? That wine which contained cocaine, horrible stuff it was so good though the pope at the time endorsed it.
And by the way I am not a junkie, neither do I smoke cannabis. I have smoked it in the past to no ill effect, I'm at more danger to myself with a hangover.
Stop stereotyping people, why is it you suddenly think I'm a junkie? Like you can shout it as some sort of almost racist abuse?
Anyway surely to be a junkie the drug has to be physically addictive, are you aware there is little evidence to show cannabis is physically addictive at all. it's certainly psychologically addictive but then so are computer games. Enjoy Mariokart.
Yes that's right "illegal drugs are illegal no matter what age you are". So whether you're 21,18, 15, even 5 years old, they're illegal but, they're also available.
However, 'legal' drugs are legal for people over 18 years old. Can you see the logic in that? When you make drugs illegal, the people who sell them don't care what age their customers are.
Cannabis is not junk, it's a plant that contains around 400 chemicals which have been consumed for thousands of years and have a number of medicinal benefits, including causing apoptosis (programmed cell death) in human cancer cells. I wouldn't call a subtance that can kill cancer cells junk would you?
Not to mention its use as an analgesic for people with chronic pain etc. Forget about that, it's junk.
Do you remember miriani wine? That wine which contained cocaine, horrible stuff it was so good though the pope at the time endorsed it.
And by the way I am not a junkie, neither do I smoke cannabis. I have smoked it in the past to no ill effect, I'm at more danger to myself with a hangover.
Stop stereotyping people, why is it you suddenly think I'm a junkie? Like you can shout it as some sort of almost racist abuse?
Anyway surely to be a junkie the drug has to be physically addictive, are you aware there is little evidence to show cannabis is physically addictive at all. it's certainly psychologically addictive but then so are computer games. Enjoy Mariokart.
Posted by: Goerge on 4:59pm Sat 17 May 08
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?!
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?!
Posted by: Book worm on 5:04pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Denzil[/bold] wrote:
"A man in his 70s was arrested and later released on police bail" Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Durg dealers need to be executed.[/quote] Denzil you claim that you are from Chilworth, but then write poorly thought-out commments, to which also contain spelling mistakes.
Numpty
Denzil wrote:
"A man in his 70s was arrested and later released on police bail" Any other day of the week these old people are moaning about us young people. Durg dealers need to be executed.
Denzil you claim that you are from Chilworth, but then write poorly thought-out commments, to which also contain spelling mistakes.
Numpty
Posted by: POOR POOR on 5:07pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]OAP[/bold] wrote:
One way of subsidising the pathetic pension... Go for it grandad...[/quote] I'm fed up with OAP's moaning about their bloody pensions! Us young'uns have now and will have a much more deal than you when we are older. So put up or shut up.
OAP wrote:
One way of subsidising the pathetic pension... Go for it grandad...
I'm fed up with OAP's moaning about their bloody pensions! Us young'uns have now and will have a much more deal than you when we are older. So put up or shut up.
Posted by: Christoff boringhead on 5:09pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: "slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.[/quote] never trust the Americans George! Their leader clearly has mental health issues ;-)[/quote] Christoff, maybe you should address your issues before commenting on other peoples mental health problems.
Christoff wrote:
George wrote: "slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
never trust the Americans George! Their leader clearly has mental health issues ;-)
Christoff, maybe you should address your issues before commenting on other peoples mental health problems.
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 6:32pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote]It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?![/quote]
There have been many unjust laws throughout history, laws on slavery, black segregation, anti race marriage laws and there still are some like deniam of the right for homosexuals to marry etc.
Oh and there's these laws against cannabis use, you know that drug which is safer than both tobbaco and alcohol yet is illegal. How 'just' is that? Allowing people to smoke and drink but not take a drug which is less harmful and has a lot less potential to do damage to society?
A lot of those unjust laws were changed by people breaking the law. Take the suffrogettes.
Anyway there are about 3million people who smoke cannabis in the UK. Do you think theyr'e all criminals? Of course not, they're just making the safer rational choice to use cannabis instead of alcohol a choice which is less safe because the cannabis is contaminated with all kinds of crap, such is it because it's illegal.
Legalise, regulate, control. Stop persecuting people.
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?!
There have been many unjust laws throughout history, laws on slavery, black segregation, anti race marriage laws and there still are some like deniam of the right for homosexuals to marry etc.
Oh and there's these laws against cannabis use, you know that drug which is safer than both tobbaco and alcohol yet is illegal. How 'just' is that? Allowing people to smoke and drink but not take a drug which is less harmful and has a lot less potential to do damage to society?
A lot of those unjust laws were changed by people breaking the law. Take the suffrogettes.
Anyway there are about 3million people who smoke cannabis in the UK. Do you think theyr'e all criminals? Of course not, they're just making the safer rational choice to use cannabis instead of alcohol a choice which is less safe because the cannabis is contaminated with all kinds of crap, such is it because it's illegal.
Legalise, regulate, control. Stop persecuting people.
Posted by: Penny, at home on 6:48pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Goerge[/bold] wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?![/quote] well, this person hasn't hurt or stolen anything for a start, and if he's smoking and growing the plants himself theres no victim is their. so, if theres no victim, theirs no crime.
I'll say that again for the daily mail readers out there that believe all the cannabis propaganda.
if this person is growing his own cannabis plants and smoking it himself there-is-no-victim, no victim, no crime, get it yet?
Its people that try and make nature illegal that should be put in prison. theirs no sense in it, its pathetic to think that you can stop a human being ingesting a completely naturally growing plant!
And really the plain and simple fact of the matter is, if you support prohibition, your supporting the drug dealers, your giving them a wage, your sending people to there front doors.
Its not rocket science im talking about here, its page 1, line 1, supply and demand economics.
Goerge wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?!
well, this person hasn't hurt or stolen anything for a start, and if he's smoking and growing the plants himself theres no victim is their. so, if theres no victim, theirs no crime.
I'll say that again for the daily mail readers out there that believe all the cannabis propaganda.
if this person is growing his own cannabis plants and smoking it himself there-is-no-victim, no victim, no crime, get it yet?
Its people that try and make nature illegal that should be put in prison. theirs no sense in it, its pathetic to think that you can stop a human being ingesting a completely naturally growing plant!
And really the plain and simple fact of the matter is, if you support prohibition, your supporting the drug dealers, your giving them a wage, your sending people to there front doors.
Its not rocket science im talking about here, its page 1, line 1, supply and demand economics.
Posted by: Officer on 8:02pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Officer[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.[/quote] You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.[/quote] Why? back up your comments.[/quote] Er, because I've seen the long term effects it has on people, both in terms of their criminality (yes, 'beating crap out of people and causing disorderly crime') and their mental health.
I really didn't think I would need to explain, but I guess that says a lot in itself....
Patron wrote:
Officer wrote: Patron wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Why? back up your comments.
Er, because I've seen the long term effects it has on people, both in terms of their criminality (yes, 'beating crap out of people and causing disorderly crime') and their mental health.
I really didn't think I would need to explain, but I guess that says a lot in itself....
Posted by: Patron, Soton on 8:23pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Officer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Officer[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Patron[/bold] wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.[/quote] You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.[/quote] Why? back up your comments.[/quote] Er, because I've seen the long term effects it has on people, both in terms of their criminality (yes, 'beating crap out of people and causing disorderly crime') and their mental health.
I really didn't think I would need to explain, but I guess that says a lot in itself....[/quote] Thought I would log on during the break of britain's got talent lol the thing is most people who suffer from mental illness self medicate be it alcohol, weed or getting Valium etc so maybe it is not the reason but a way of dampening down such emotions hence why you come across people who may have related drug problems. I know plenty of people who smoke and live proffesional lives. I do go out alot and certainly not sheltered maybe if you new me you would not post such ignorant comments. But thanks for the reply anyway second part on now must dash.
Officer wrote:
Patron wrote:
Officer wrote: Patron wrote: Hark at you lot banging on like your born again christians. Nothing wrong with a bit of a smoke now and then. Never known anyone stoned beating the crap out of anyone and causing disorderly crime. Just sit at home and eat Mars Bars.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life, and should get out more!!!! A very naive post.
Why? back up your comments.
Er, because I've seen the long term effects it has on people, both in terms of their criminality (yes, 'beating crap out of people and causing disorderly crime') and their mental health.
I really didn't think I would need to explain, but I guess that says a lot in itself....
Thought I would log on during the break of britain's got talent lol the thing is most people who suffer from mental illness self medicate be it alcohol, weed or getting Valium etc so maybe it is not the reason but a way of dampening down such emotions hence why you come across people who may have related drug problems. I know plenty of people who smoke and live proffesional lives. I do go out alot and certainly not sheltered maybe if you new me you would not post such ignorant comments. But thanks for the reply anyway second part on now must dash.
Posted by: Worried, Southampton on 10:51pm Sat 17 May 08
I have just cut the lawn and have loads of grass for sale.
Please bring your pension book round.
I have just cut the lawn and have loads of grass for sale.
Please bring your pension book round.
Posted by: Brittle, Beastleigh on 11:27pm Sat 17 May 08
Just to had my tuppence, i used alcohol and became addicted, i was a parnoid wreck, walked out of my job and home and went to live on the streets of southampton, i couldnt function without a drink, i shaked,fitted,sweate
d,sick,hallucintaion
s, blackouts, blah blah blah, i couldnt face people i would turn into a wreck trying to go to shops, i had to cross street if someone was on same side of road it was awful, i saw a lot of people die of the street through drink & drugs......anyways i decided i hit as rock bottom as i could and i needed to fight back against this evil crap controlling my mind & body..............af
ter cleaning up my act, got my family back and all was well in my world again, i started smoking weed & was never pyhsically addicted to it like i was with alcohol and was able to carry on everyday noraml life and even started a business, i decided to give it up, no problem what so ever with drink i had to go into rehab and detox, quite a few times because it was just sheer hell going through withdrawal, yet pot? no affects what so ever coming of it, so as a drunk you have domestic violence/street violence & vaandalism and downright yobbish behaviour all of which is costing the nhs & police a fortune, the trouble with todays crappy weed is even the weed is being spiked with glass like beads to weigh it down & makes it look like it carrying a lot more of the good old crystals we want & kids today wont just smoke weed they will be drinking and probably doing other drugs so no suprise its turning them into head cases, i was parnoid as you like on booze, but not with weed but can imagine if i did both i would be either dead or in a ward for the mentally unstable, the prohibtion with weed started back in america donkeys years ago when the oil giants where getting **** because the plant was taking over in industry for oil,building materials/clothing (first even jeans where made using hemp fabric), the oil giants saw hemp as a real danger to its business and yeah presto governemnt then gets shirty with hemp farmers before totally making illegal, in this country many moons ago a once proud queen forced (perhaps not the right word) farmers to groe hemp
Just to had my tuppence, i used alcohol and became addicted, i was a parnoid wreck, walked out of my job and home and went to live on the streets of southampton, i couldnt function without a drink, i shaked,fitted,sweate
d,sick,hallucintaion
s, blackouts, blah blah blah, i couldnt face people i would turn into a wreck trying to go to shops, i had to cross street if someone was on same side of road it was awful, i saw a lot of people die of the street through drink & drugs......anyways i decided i hit as rock bottom as i could and i needed to fight back against this evil crap controlling my mind & body..............af
ter cleaning up my act, got my family back and all was well in my world again, i started smoking weed & was never pyhsically addicted to it like i was with alcohol and was able to carry on everyday noraml life and even started a business, i decided to give it up, no problem what so ever with drink i had to go into rehab and detox, quite a few times because it was just sheer hell going through withdrawal, yet pot? no affects what so ever coming of it, so as a drunk you have domestic violence/street violence & vaandalism and downright yobbish behaviour all of which is costing the nhs & police a fortune, the trouble with todays crappy weed is even the weed is being spiked with glass like beads to weigh it down & makes it look like it carrying a lot more of the good old crystals we want & kids today wont just smoke weed they will be drinking and probably doing other drugs so no suprise its turning them into head cases, i was parnoid as you like on booze, but not with weed but can imagine if i did both i would be either dead or in a ward for the mentally unstable, the prohibtion with weed started back in america donkeys years ago when the oil giants where getting **** because the plant was taking over in industry for oil,building materials/clothing (first even jeans where made using hemp fabric), the oil giants saw hemp as a real danger to its business and yeah presto governemnt then gets shirty with hemp farmers before totally making illegal, in this country many moons ago a once proud queen forced (perhaps not the right word) farmers to groe hemp
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 11:33pm Sat 17 May 08
Blimey, my great-grandmother lived there back in the 80's, apart from the old brandy I don't think she ever dabbled in hash.
Blimey, my great-grandmother lived there back in the 80's, apart from the old brandy I don't think she ever dabbled in hash.
Posted by: James kelly, Chilworth on 3:25am Sun 18 May 08
Bring back national Service & the birch.
Bring back national Service & the birch.
Posted by: Christoff on 10:54am Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]Brittle[/bold] wrote:
Just to had my tuppence, i used alcohol and became addicted, i was a parnoid wreck, walked out of my job and home and went to live on the streets of southampton, i couldnt function without a drink, i shaked,fitted,sweate d,sick,hallucintaion s, blackouts, blah blah blah, i couldnt face people i would turn into a wreck trying to go to shops, i had to cross street if someone was on same side of road it was awful, i saw a lot of people die of the street through drink & drugs......anyways i decided i hit as rock bottom as i could and i needed to fight back against this evil crap controlling my mind & body..............af ter cleaning up my act, got my family back and all was well in my world again, i started smoking weed & was never pyhsically addicted to it like i was with alcohol and was able to carry on everyday noraml life and even started a business, i decided to give it up, no problem what so ever with drink i had to go into rehab and detox, quite a few times because it was just sheer hell going through withdrawal, yet pot? no affects what so ever coming of it, so as a drunk you have domestic violence/street violence & vaandalism and downright yobbish behaviour all of which is costing the nhs & police a fortune, the trouble with todays crappy weed is even the weed is being spiked with glass like beads to weigh it down & makes it look like it carrying a lot more of the good old crystals we want & kids today wont just smoke weed they will be drinking and probably doing other drugs so no suprise its turning them into head cases, i was parnoid as you like on booze, but not with weed but can imagine if i did both i would be either dead or in a ward for the mentally unstable, the prohibtion with weed started back in america donkeys years ago when the oil giants where getting **** because the plant was taking over in industry for oil,building materials/clothing (first even jeans where made using hemp fabric), the oil giants saw hemp as a real danger to its business and yeah presto governemnt then gets shirty with hemp farmers before totally making illegal, in this country many moons ago a once proud queen forced (perhaps not the right word) farmers to groe hemp[/quote] although I'm an occassional 'joker, smoker and midnight toker' I do feel you have glossed over the negatives of weed...be in no doubt, there are some! However, with anything it is all about moderation...if you smoke all day every day, you could well start to lose the plot a little but that is the same with any legal and/or illegal drug.
However, well done for sorting your life out. Spot on.
Brittle wrote:
Just to had my tuppence, i used alcohol and became addicted, i was a parnoid wreck, walked out of my job and home and went to live on the streets of southampton, i couldnt function without a drink, i shaked,fitted,sweate d,sick,hallucintaion s, blackouts, blah blah blah, i couldnt face people i would turn into a wreck trying to go to shops, i had to cross street if someone was on same side of road it was awful, i saw a lot of people die of the street through drink & drugs......anyways i decided i hit as rock bottom as i could and i needed to fight back against this evil crap controlling my mind & body..............af ter cleaning up my act, got my family back and all was well in my world again, i started smoking weed & was never pyhsically addicted to it like i was with alcohol and was able to carry on everyday noraml life and even started a business, i decided to give it up, no problem what so ever with drink i had to go into rehab and detox, quite a few times because it was just sheer hell going through withdrawal, yet pot? no affects what so ever coming of it, so as a drunk you have domestic violence/street violence & vaandalism and downright yobbish behaviour all of which is costing the nhs & police a fortune, the trouble with todays crappy weed is even the weed is being spiked with glass like beads to weigh it down & makes it look like it carrying a lot more of the good old crystals we want & kids today wont just smoke weed they will be drinking and probably doing other drugs so no suprise its turning them into head cases, i was parnoid as you like on booze, but not with weed but can imagine if i did both i would be either dead or in a ward for the mentally unstable, the prohibtion with weed started back in america donkeys years ago when the oil giants where getting **** because the plant was taking over in industry for oil,building materials/clothing (first even jeans where made using hemp fabric), the oil giants saw hemp as a real danger to its business and yeah presto governemnt then gets shirty with hemp farmers before totally making illegal, in this country many moons ago a once proud queen forced (perhaps not the right word) farmers to groe hemp
although I'm an occassional 'joker, smoker and midnight toker' I do feel you have glossed over the negatives of weed...be in no doubt, there are some! However, with anything it is all about moderation...if you smoke all day every day, you could well start to lose the plot a little but that is the same with any legal and/or illegal drug.
However, well done for sorting your life out. Spot on.
Posted by: H, Winchester on 11:22am Sun 18 May 08
Prohibit prohibition.
Freedom of choice. C'mon people. Get off your hypocritical moral high horses.
Prohibit prohibition.
Freedom of choice. C'mon people. Get off your hypocritical moral high horses.
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 2:15pm Sun 18 May 08
Same old debate - yawn.
Today's dope is a long way from the old 60s stuff and Skunk is a much stronger way to scramble the few remaining brain cells of those stupid enough to dabble.
Why do the dopeheads try and wriggle out of the fact that any ingested drugs affect the chemical and electrical impulses of the brain? Gateway to harder drugs is common sense as one deals with lowlife dealers who have vested interests in flogging hard drugs.
I've seen it all for many years and at close hand. Forget the cop-out 'Daily Mail blah blah' rubbish - plus all manner of dodgy 'research' much of which cab be found on agenda laden websites etc.
Apart from drunken drivers, i am more worried about the dope-smoking numpty who might be driving down the same road as my family.
Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all.
The numpties shout "Legalise all drugs!" Yeah right - a nation of zombies lies just around the corner.
Or maybe that's what the government wants?
Easy to manipulate the masses as they indugle in their own chemical coshes!!
Same old debate - yawn.
Today's dope is a long way from the old 60s stuff and Skunk is a much stronger way to scramble the few remaining brain cells of those stupid enough to dabble.
Why do the dopeheads try and wriggle out of the fact that any ingested drugs affect the chemical and electrical impulses of the brain? Gateway to harder drugs is common sense as one deals with lowlife dealers who have vested interests in flogging hard drugs.
I've seen it all for many years and at close hand. Forget the cop-out 'Daily Mail blah blah' rubbish - plus all manner of dodgy 'research' much of which cab be found on agenda laden websites etc.
Apart from drunken drivers, i am more worried about the dope-smoking numpty who might be driving down the same road as my family.
Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all.
The numpties shout "Legalise all drugs!" Yeah right - a nation of zombies lies just around the corner.
Or maybe that's what the government wants?
Easy to manipulate the masses as they indugle in their own chemical coshes!!
Posted by: Mark, Yorkshire on 3:46pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.[/quote] yeah, and look at all the ****-heads in the country!! Ive been smoking daily for 15 years now and i still hold down a decent job, have a mortgage, kids etc etc. Doesnt do me no harm. Its all up to the individual. These people that go "Ga Ga" shouldnt even be smoking this stuff. My uncle died an alcoholic aged 43. And you can buy booze on every street corner.
Free the weed!!
George wrote:
"slight mental health risk (still no conclusive evidence)" You're kidding! Have a look at the research that the Americans have got on Cannabis - they've been doing it a lot longer than us! They have tens of thousands suffering from the long term affects of cannabis. Get your self introduced to some of the people who have experienced the negative side of cannabis - they are not a pretty sight - Ga Ga comes to mind.
yeah, and look at all the ****-heads in the country!! Ive been smoking daily for 15 years now and i still hold down a decent job, have a mortgage, kids etc etc. Doesnt do me no harm. Its all up to the individual. These people that go "Ga Ga" shouldnt even be smoking this stuff. My uncle died an alcoholic aged 43. And you can buy booze on every street corner.
Free the weed!!
Posted by: stuart, leeds on 3:58pm Sun 18 May 08
[bold]King Mush, Woolston wrote[/bold] "Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all"
Listen pal, you have no idea. I get my weed from a good friend who grows it. He supplies it to my friends and my-self. All the proceeds go to my mate, and no-one is hurt. How is that a crime? Just because he makes 5-8 grand a year from it doesnt mean hes bad, he doesnt hurt anybody. He, like everyone else needs the extra cash.
Im off for a big fat spliff now in fact :)
King Mush, Woolston wrote "Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all"
Listen pal, you have no idea. I get my weed from a good friend who grows it. He supplies it to my friends and my-self. All the proceeds go to my mate, and no-one is hurt. How is that a crime? Just because he makes 5-8 grand a year from it doesnt mean hes bad, he doesnt hurt anybody. He, like everyone else needs the extra cash.
Im off for a big fat spliff now in fact :)
Posted by: Christoff on 5:36pm Sun 18 May 08
anyone fancy delivering some mars bars to my gaff? I can't be arsed to go out myself
anyone fancy delivering some mars bars to my gaff? I can't be arsed to go out myself
Posted by: Get Real, The Real World on 7:59pm Sun 18 May 08
Purely as an addition to the discussions taking place on this forum, just last week our glorious leader described, in all seriousness, Skunk cannabis as being "lethal".
Quite apart from being ridiculously alarmist, this statement is simply inaccurate - sure, people may die as a consequence of their state after taking cannabis (walking in front of a bus while completely trollied, for instance), but this is true of any intoxicant. I'm not aware that there is any record of anyone actually dying as a direct result of "overdosing" on this drug. Mental health probems are of concern of course, but what I'm talking about here is LETHALITY, as avowed by our glorious leader, not any related non-fatal problems - many other people on this forum are covering that aspect well.
I'll tell you what IS lethal though Gordon, old chum - joining the British armed forces and being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. And why? Because of your, and your predecessor the Poodle Blair's reflexive "Yes sir! Whatever you say sir!" attitude toward the most right-wing idiot that the good people of the US have ever elected. Now THAT'S a fact.
Tell you what Gordy, why not start paying a bit more attention to the things that really kill people, rather than blathering on about a substance regarding which you chose to ignore even the advice of your own committee of medical experts, simply for political expedience.
The use of cannabis is a subject well worthy of discussion, but cannabis is NOT "lethal". Bullets and bombs ARE.
OK, thanks for reading - rant over now.
(Just to peg my colours to the mast as it were, I am a life-long Labour voter (currently under review, believe me), and a sometime cannabis user over a 30-odd year period. No, I don't believe it is 100% safe, but then again, no psychoses or other nastiness yet (from the dope anyway!)
Purely as an addition to the discussions taking place on this forum, just last week our glorious leader described, in all seriousness, Skunk cannabis as being "lethal".
Quite apart from being ridiculously alarmist, this statement is simply inaccurate - sure, people may die as a consequence of their state after taking cannabis (walking in front of a bus while completely trollied, for instance), but this is true of any intoxicant. I'm not aware that there is any record of anyone actually dying as a direct result of "overdosing" on this drug. Mental health probems are of concern of course, but what I'm talking about here is LETHALITY, as avowed by our glorious leader, not any related non-fatal problems - many other people on this forum are covering that aspect well.
I'll tell you what IS lethal though Gordon, old chum - joining the British armed forces and being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. And why? Because of your, and your predecessor the Poodle Blair's reflexive "Yes sir! Whatever you say sir!" attitude toward the most right-wing idiot that the good people of the US have ever elected. Now THAT'S a fact.
Tell you what Gordy, why not start paying a bit more attention to the things that really kill people, rather than blathering on about a substance regarding which you chose to ignore even the advice of your own committee of medical experts, simply for political expedience.
The use of cannabis is a subject well worthy of discussion, but cannabis is NOT "lethal". Bullets and bombs ARE.
OK, thanks for reading - rant over now.
(Just to peg my colours to the mast as it were, I am a life-long Labour voter (currently under review, believe me), and a sometime cannabis user over a 30-odd year period. No, I don't believe it is 100% safe, but then again, no psychoses or other nastiness yet (from the dope anyway!)
Posted by: George ('t' other one) on 9:52pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]Goerge[/bold] wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?![/quote] Why can't we? The law is supposed to be there to serve us all, it's our duty to challenge those we don't believe in. Blindly accepting whatever we're ordered to do by those we pay to help us, is ridiculous. Demonstrate to me the harm cannabis does. Not heroin, not crack, cannabis. Contrast it to alcohol
Goerge wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how people who use all forms of enhancements, justify their case! That includes smokers, people who drink too much, people who take drugs.
It never ceases to amaze me how people make their justifications even if it means breaking the law.
You cannot pick and choose which laws you accept and those that you can break!
With that kind of attitude, why do we need laws, why do we need police?!
Why can't we? The law is supposed to be there to serve us all, it's our duty to challenge those we don't believe in. Blindly accepting whatever we're ordered to do by those we pay to help us, is ridiculous. Demonstrate to me the harm cannabis does. Not heroin, not crack, cannabis. Contrast it to alcohol
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 11:03pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]stuart[/bold] wrote:
[bold]King Mush, Woolston wrote[/bold] \"Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all\" Listen pal, you have no idea. I get my weed from a good friend who grows it. He supplies it to my friends and my-self. All the proceeds go to my mate, and no-one is hurt. How is that a crime? Just because he makes 5-8 grand a year from it doesnt mean hes bad, he doesnt hurt anybody. He, like everyone else needs the extra cash. Im off for a big fat spliff now in fact :)[/quote] Listen pal - I DO have some idea of it all and what it entails.
Your personal insight is quite reasonable and I have no problem with it - perhaps this is the 'acceptable face' of drug use if such a description could be valid.
However - outside of your hazy little world, there is a world full of junkies, dealers and associated criminals who have to beg, borrow and steal for the next fix.
You apologists rarely come up with any real substance when it comes to weak willed 'addictive' people who cannot control themselves.
Yep - ciggies and booze are all co-related but I'm fed up with the tangents that get spewed out on each debate such as this.
I know many people whoe have smoked dope for decades - some are quite well balanced and it has no apparent negative effect.
Others, I note a slowing down and incoherency creeping in. Some have gone onto harder drugs via the gateway effect which is seems to get dopeheads worked up as they strongly dispute this obvious path.
I'm glad that YOU or your pals dont 'hurt' anybody. Trouble lies with the other types and it's laughable to deny well documented scientific evidence.
Do you accept that there is major problem of drug-linked crime and anti-social behaviour?
Do YOU drive after a few tokes? Maybe mixed with booze?
Enjoy your spliff.....
stuart wrote:
King Mush, Woolston wrote \"Drugs are dragging us all down and crime is inextricably linked to all\" Listen pal, you have no idea. I get my weed from a good friend who grows it. He supplies it to my friends and my-self. All the proceeds go to my mate, and no-one is hurt. How is that a crime? Just because he makes 5-8 grand a year from it doesnt mean hes bad, he doesnt hurt anybody. He, like everyone else needs the extra cash. Im off for a big fat spliff now in fact :)
Listen pal - I DO have some idea of it all and what it entails.
Your personal insight is quite reasonable and I have no problem with it - perhaps this is the 'acceptable face' of drug use if such a description could be valid.
However - outside of your hazy little world, there is a world full of junkies, dealers and associated criminals who have to beg, borrow and steal for the next fix.
You apologists rarely come up with any real substance when it comes to weak willed 'addictive' people who cannot control themselves.
Yep - ciggies and booze are all co-related but I'm fed up with the tangents that get spewed out on each debate such as this.
I know many people whoe have smoked dope for decades - some are quite well balanced and it has no apparent negative effect.
Others, I note a slowing down and incoherency creeping in. Some have gone onto harder drugs via the gateway effect which is seems to get dopeheads worked up as they strongly dispute this obvious path.
I'm glad that YOU or your pals dont 'hurt' anybody. Trouble lies with the other types and it's laughable to deny well documented scientific evidence.
Do you accept that there is major problem of drug-linked crime and anti-social behaviour?
Do YOU drive after a few tokes? Maybe mixed with booze?
Enjoy your spliff.....
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 11:34pm Sun 18 May 08
King Mush, my last post was removed so I'm going to be a bit more balanced this time. Apologies to you, the Echo and any readers who had the misfortune to read it ;)
The sinister world of junkies and dealers would lessen if the government's tactic towards drug enforcement was aimed at harm limitation, rather than fruitlessly attempting to remove all drugs from society. Such an expectation can never be achieved, there are always ways for barons to get weed over the border. It would hurt the underworld a lot more if they just controlled its supply through accountable sources, in the same way the Netherlands has handled it. Only 5% of the Netherlands have used cannabis over the last 12 months (source: the RAND report, as published in a document by the Science and Technology Select Committee available here: http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/31_07_06_drugsrep
ort.pdf)
Addictive people, as you put it, exist in all sorts of circles, illegal or not. I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders... I don't think the government is going to ban people spending more than they can earn on designer clothing, to go off on a tangent it seems they actually encourage over spending. But I digress...
Gateway effect... All evidence suggests that this is a myth, see the report I've linked above (RAND report, MRC Chief Executive at at the University of Oxford, Advisory Council of the Misuse of Drugs and the Science and Technology Select Committee all agree).
Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question.
Just my two cents ;)
King Mush, my last post was removed so I'm going to be a bit more balanced this time. Apologies to you, the Echo and any readers who had the misfortune to read it ;)
The sinister world of junkies and dealers would lessen if the government's tactic towards drug enforcement was aimed at harm limitation, rather than fruitlessly attempting to remove all drugs from society. Such an expectation can never be achieved, there are always ways for barons to get weed over the border. It would hurt the underworld a lot more if they just controlled its supply through accountable sources, in the same way the Netherlands has handled it. Only 5% of the Netherlands have used cannabis over the last 12 months (source: the RAND report, as published in a document by the Science and Technology Select Committee available here: http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/31_07_06_drugsrep
ort.pdf)
Addictive people, as you put it, exist in all sorts of circles, illegal or not. I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders... I don't think the government is going to ban people spending more than they can earn on designer clothing, to go off on a tangent it seems they actually encourage over spending. But I digress...
Gateway effect... All evidence suggests that this is a myth, see the report I've linked above (RAND report, MRC Chief Executive at at the University of Oxford, Advisory Council of the Misuse of Drugs and the Science and Technology Select Committee all agree).
Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question.
Just my two cents ;)
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 11:50pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote]However - outside of your hazy little world, there is a world full of junkies, dealers and associated criminals who have to beg, borrow and steal for the next fix.[/quote]
[quote]
Yep - ciggies and booze are all co-related but I'm fed up with the tangents that get spewed out on each debate such as this.[/quote]
At risk of being censored, to argue that you're fed up with comparing cannabis to alcohol and tobacco, but quite happy to compare cannabis users to junkies is hypocritical. I am taking "junkies" as an inference to heroin users. In terms of harmfulness, cannabis is closer to tobacco than heroin (source: Science Select Committee, see http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk_politics/5
230006.stm). In my opinion, it seems you've disregarded an (admittedly overused) argument that you can't win in favour of an equally overused argument that you can.
However - outside of your hazy little world, there is a world full of junkies, dealers and associated criminals who have to beg, borrow and steal for the next fix.
Yep - ciggies and booze are all co-related but I'm fed up with the tangents that get spewed out on each debate such as this.
At risk of being censored, to argue that you're fed up with comparing cannabis to alcohol and tobacco, but quite happy to compare cannabis users to junkies is hypocritical. I am taking "junkies" as an inference to heroin users. In terms of harmfulness, cannabis is closer to tobacco than heroin (source: Science Select Committee, see http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk_politics/5
230006.stm). In my opinion, it seems you've disregarded an (admittedly overused) argument that you can't win in favour of an equally overused argument that you can.
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 11:55pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote]I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders...[/quote]
By the way, I'm not inferring that Eastenders is as harmful as cannabis... Just that it can be quite addictive, in a non-chemical way ;)
Man, I own the forum tonight, oh!
I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders...
By the way, I'm not inferring that Eastenders is as harmful as cannabis... Just that it can be quite addictive, in a non-chemical way ;)
Man, I own the forum tonight, oh!
Posted by: Eric, Southampton on 11:56pm Sun 18 May 08
[quote][bold]Gilmore[/bold] wrote:
King Mush, my last post was removed so I\'m going to be a bit more balanced this time. Apologies to you, the Echo and any readers who had the misfortune to read it ;) The sinister world of junkies and dealers would lessen if the government\'s tactic towards drug enforcement was aimed at harm limitation, rather than fruitlessly attempting to remove all drugs from society. Such an expectation can never be achieved, there are always ways for barons to get weed over the border. It would hurt the underworld a lot more if they just controlled its supply through accountable sources, in the same way the Netherlands has handled it. Only 5% of the Netherlands have used cannabis over the last 12 months (source: the RAND report, as published in a document by the Science and Technology Select Committee available here: http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd fs/31_07_06_drugsrep ort.pdf) Addictive people, as you put it, exist in all sorts of circles, illegal or not. I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders... I don\'t think the government is going to ban people spending more than they can earn on designer clothing, to go off on a tangent it seems they actually encourage over spending. But I digress... Gateway effect... All evidence suggests that this is a myth, see the report I\'ve linked above (RAND report, MRC Chief Executive at at the University of Oxford, Advisory Council of the Misuse of Drugs and the Science and Technology Select Committee all agree). Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question. Just my two cents ;)[/quote] The truth of the matter is that those who cultivate and supply cannabis also
move in the same circles as those who supply harder drugs.
Cannabis is followed in many cases by Class A consumption.
Cannabis is proven in itself to be the cause
of psychotic symptoms.
The old argument always gets dragged in " People drink, so
why ban cannabis" The answer is simple. Why add to an existing problem ?
Gilmore wrote:
King Mush, my last post was removed so I\'m going to be a bit more balanced this time. Apologies to you, the Echo and any readers who had the misfortune to read it ;) The sinister world of junkies and dealers would lessen if the government\'s tactic towards drug enforcement was aimed at harm limitation, rather than fruitlessly attempting to remove all drugs from society. Such an expectation can never be achieved, there are always ways for barons to get weed over the border. It would hurt the underworld a lot more if they just controlled its supply through accountable sources, in the same way the Netherlands has handled it. Only 5% of the Netherlands have used cannabis over the last 12 months (source: the RAND report, as published in a document by the Science and Technology Select Committee available here: http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd fs/31_07_06_drugsrep ort.pdf) Addictive people, as you put it, exist in all sorts of circles, illegal or not. I accept that people may become psychologically addicted to weed, in much the same way that people become addicted to gambling, eating, shopping, Eastenders... I don\'t think the government is going to ban people spending more than they can earn on designer clothing, to go off on a tangent it seems they actually encourage over spending. But I digress... Gateway effect... All evidence suggests that this is a myth, see the report I\'ve linked above (RAND report, MRC Chief Executive at at the University of Oxford, Advisory Council of the Misuse of Drugs and the Science and Technology Select Committee all agree). Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question. Just my two cents ;)
The truth of the matter is that those who cultivate and supply cannabis also
move in the same circles as those who supply harder drugs.
Cannabis is followed in many cases by Class A consumption.
Cannabis is proven in itself to be the cause
of psychotic symptoms.
The old argument always gets dragged in " People drink, so
why ban cannabis" The answer is simple. Why add to an existing problem ?
Posted by: Gilmore, Shirley, Southampton on 12:02am Mon 19 May 08
[quote]Cannabis is followed in many cases by Class A consumption.[/quote]
There is no evidence to suggest this. What percentage of people who smoke cannabis move on to harder drugs? What percentage of people who use harder drugs have smoked cannabis? What percentage of people who drink bitter move on to cannabis? Should we therefore ban bitter?
More accurate... Cannabis is followed in many cases by Mars bar consumption ;)
Cannabis is followed in many cases by Class A consumption.
There is no evidence to suggest this. What percentage of people who smoke cannabis move on to harder drugs? What percentage of people who use harder drugs have smoked cannabis? What percentage of people who drink bitter move on to cannabis? Should we therefore ban bitter?
More accurate... Cannabis is followed in many cases by Mars bar consumption ;)
Posted by: Robert on 4:25am Mon 19 May 08
One slightly confused old boy just growing a few herbs to stuff his Sunday joint (of the meat sort) and everybody goes mad.
Sundays would be much nicer with that sort of stuffing...
One slightly confused old boy just growing a few herbs to stuff his Sunday joint (of the meat sort) and everybody goes mad.
Sundays would be much nicer with that sort of stuffing...
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 6:41am Mon 19 May 08
"Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question."
Actually there is an element of discrimination there because some people have to take a lot of cannabis for pain releif. They're not that impaired by it, they're able to drive. I dont' think we should ban from driving disabled people who use cannabis for their condition. Some mediccal cannabis users drive whilst smoking cannabis, see Irvin Rosenfeld.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=B1NggzEkl
tM
Plenty of people drive on morphine by the way and that's much more dangerous. I would agree people should not drive on cannabis after recreational use.
Although bear in mind cannabis does make people more cautious, as opposed to how alcohol makes people take risks. Who do you think is more of a danger on the road? The cannabis user who will do anything to avoid hitting a car and will moderate his speed accordingly, or the alcohol user who gets in his car, hits the accelerator, goes full pelt and doesn't care if he hits cars or runs people over?
People need to stop thinking that alcohol and cannabis pose the same risk on the road. They don't, cannabis poses a much lower risk, yet if you get caught, currently you will lose your licence for two years and be hit with a £5000 fine. Whereas with alcohol, you may not lose your licence or be fined.
And you may even be using it medicinally too!
"Driving after toking is an irrelevent argument. Drug driving should always be as illegal as drunk driving, regardless of the legality of the drug in question."
Actually there is an element of discrimination there because some people have to take a lot of cannabis for pain releif. They're not that impaired by it, they're able to drive. I dont' think we should ban from driving disabled people who use cannabis for their condition. Some mediccal cannabis users drive whilst smoking cannabis, see Irvin Rosenfeld.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=B1NggzEkl
tM
Plenty of people drive on morphine by the way and that's much more dangerous. I would agree people should not drive on cannabis after recreational use.
Although bear in mind cannabis does make people more cautious, as opposed to how alcohol makes people take risks. Who do you think is more of a danger on the road? The cannabis user who will do anything to avoid hitting a car and will moderate his speed accordingly, or the alcohol user who gets in his car, hits the accelerator, goes full pelt and doesn't care if he hits cars or runs people over?
People need to stop thinking that alcohol and cannabis pose the same risk on the road. They don't, cannabis poses a much lower risk, yet if you get caught, currently you will lose your licence for two years and be hit with a £5000 fine. Whereas with alcohol, you may not lose your licence or be fined.
And you may even be using it medicinally too!
Posted by: Paul, Southampton on 7:09am Mon 19 May 08
[quote]it's laughable to deny well documented scientific evidence.[/quote]
But that is exactly what you're doing, when you say that cannabis is really addictive, it is not, it's not that much more addictive than watching TV or playing computer games believe it or not and there is scientific research to that effect, you won't find that with alcohol or tobbaco.
You also ignore the huge amount of scientific evidence that says the gateway effect is almost non-existant, and that where there is, is obvious why. It's because the people dealing in cannabis deal in harder drugs, whereas as I've said Tescos don't sell cocaine or heroin so I doubt you'll see it or be offered it next time you pop into buy a bottle of whiskey. If the gateway effect is anything, it's related to he EXPOSURE to hard drugs, which exists because cannabis is illegal.
[quote]Do you accept that there is major problem of drug-linked crime and anti-social behaviour?[/quote]
I'm afriad if you want to talk about anti-social behaviour you have to compare it to alcohol, because it's alcohol which causes the majority of anti-social behaviuor not cannabis and that is due to how cannabis affects people, affects that are very well documented, infact they're one of the first things you learn when you read abotu cannabis, that cannabis generally does not promote risk taking or violent behaiour in people. However alcohol does oh and ecstacy doesn't.
I'm sure if more people used cannabis and less people used alcohol there would be less domestic violence and less anti-social behaviour.
And please stop referring to cannabis users as junkies, junkies are people who take crack and heroin due to how addictive they are.
it's laughable to deny well documented scientific evidence.
But that is exactly what you're doing, when you say that cannabis is really addictive, it is not, it's not that much more addictive than watching TV or playing computer games believe it or not and there is scientific research to that effect, you won't find that with alcohol or tobbaco.
You also ignore the huge amount of scientific evidence that says the gateway effect is almost non-existant, and that where there is, is obvious why. It's because the people dealing in cannabis deal in harder drugs, whereas as I've said Tescos don't sell cocaine or heroin so I doubt you'll see it or be offered it next time you pop into buy a bottle of whiskey. If the gateway effect is anything, it's related to he EXPOSURE to hard drugs, which exists because cannabis is illegal.
Do you accept that there is major problem of drug-linked crime and anti-social behaviour?
I'm afriad if you want to talk about anti-social behaviour you have to compa
