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Lucy pin-ups banned by RAF
9:00am Tuesday 5th June 2007
Comments (56)
ROYAL Air Force chiefs have risked a bust-up with their pilots by forcing them to black out pictures of pin-ups painted on their planes - including Hampshire glamour girl Lucy Pinder.
In the 1940s it was common to see the likes of Rita Hayworth and Jane Russell adorning the fronts of Lancaster bombers and flying fortresses setting off en route to their German targets.
It’s a very serious situation out there and it’s a bit of frivolity. It’s just the lads having a bit of fun and light relief.
Lucy Pinder
Countless more pictures of anonymous girls were splashed across aircraft, in poses almost as risque as their crews' missions were risky.
Sixty years on, when British airmen fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan decided to bring the practice into the 21st century, one of their first choices was Lucy, from Winchester.
But their plans were shot down before even getting off the ground - by politically correct bosses worried about offending female crew members and Muslim locals.
Senior commanders got hot under the collar when they heard about the paintings, and immediately ordered that any drawings on Harrier jets be blacked-out to silhouettes only.
RAF Strike Command feared that having too much flesh on display ran the risk of putting off female recruits, who could view the images as sexist.
And in a country where many women wear full burkhas, there was also the worry that pictures offending local culture could spark a diplomatic incident.
Concerned that even the outlines were too provocative, they have now ordered the images be removed completely.
Saints fan Lucy is disappointed the troops weren't allowed to have their fun. Last November she visited Afghanistan with pal Michelle Marsh as part of a morale-boosting tour, and even signed one of the planes carrying her picture.
She was shocked to hear of the enforced cover-up, saying she thought the pictures were "harmless fun".
"It's very flattering, and it's nice that they get to do something that takes their minds off things for a while," the 23-year-old told the Daily Echo.
"It's a shame they've got to change them to silhouettes. Rules are rules, but I don't think it's offensive.
"It's just the way it goes these days. They're doing a very hard job out there and we should all appreciate it.
"It's a very serious situation out there and it's a bit of frivolity, but it's just the lads having a bit of fun and light relief.
"Anything that can cheer them up for a bit must be nice."
Last night RAF bosses defended the ban as entirely appropriate, saying in a statement: "The Royal Air Force values and recognises the contribution of service personnel regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or social background.
"To this end, the RAF promotes working in an environment that is free from harassment and where personnel are respected both for the contribution they can bring to the team and the value and potential they offer as individuals."
Your Say YourThis is Hampshire
Duane Nowrak, says...
1:24pm Tue 5 Jun 07
Nothing wrong with a nice pair of boobs in the morning.
PC all correct, says...
1:50pm Tue 5 Jun 07
Tom, Southampton says...
2:24pm Tue 5 Jun 07
If I was a RAF pilot and got close enough to the Muslim local to offend them I'd be more worried about their proximity to my plane and the damage they could do with a man portable surface to air missile!
Adge, Salisbury says...
8:30pm Tue 5 Jun 07
The British do not rule Britain.
TGR, Southampton says...
8:59pm Tue 5 Jun 07
David Crook, Wakefield W. Yorkshire says...
10:02pm Tue 5 Jun 07
Come on England only for ever.
Pround English man
David Crook
steve van rhyn, wales says...
9:47am Wed 6 Jun 07
Sharon, Bitterne says...
10:14am Wed 6 Jun 07
As usual you all focus on foreigners side of things, wot about the females they mention? So you dont think the male members would mind if the women had naked Bradd Pitts on the side then? They wouldnt find it offensive?
steve, says...
10:41am Wed 6 Jun 07
Robert, says...
2:10pm Wed 6 Jun 07
And as for Brad Pitt, I know I'm a bloke but what on EARTH is special about him?
He's one of these very ordinary individuals (of which there are many female examples) that have been put on a pedestal by Hollywood as a result of corporate scheming and corporate cash.
Robert, says...
2:15pm Wed 6 Jun 07
If I were easily outraged (which I'm not) I would go beserk over your post.
If you're just subscribing to the currently popular (in some circles) kick-the Muslim brand of humour, then please stop it.
If you're totally serious, god help the world!
John Thomson, Florida, USA says...
2:30pm Wed 6 Jun 07
Us Yanks whipped you, saved you and now let you tag along in an effort to promote your manliness but obviously it is not working.
You blokes are going to have to turn back this politically correct B.S. right now or you will take the final plunge downhill as a relevant society. Right now you are a blight on your cousins around the world. Soon you won't have any cousins around the world because your going to be neutered!
Cash, Denver says...
2:50pm Wed 6 Jun 07
I am so happy to see that we are not the only nation of idiots who don't want to offend the sensitivities of those who are trying to kill us. Frankly, I wouldn't mind looking at a nice rack in the last few seconds on this earth but, thanks to the PC idiots, even that priveledge will be taken away.
Tom, Midland says...
3:48pm Wed 6 Jun 07
sog, USA says...
4:20pm Wed 6 Jun 07
King Mush, Woolston says...
4:29pm Wed 6 Jun 07
"Us Yanks whipped you, saved you and now let you tag along
in an effort to promote your manliness but obviously it is not working."
The USA was originally built on good European stock, including the Pilgrim Fathers who sailed from Southampton.
OK so your forefathers chose independence - sorry 'whipped us' to quote your usual Yank rhetoric.
I presume you were referring to WW1 & 2 as regards 'saving' us?
Your precious America would be a far different place if GB had fallen to the Nazis or even a Communist takeover, apart from the fact that it took Pearl Harbour to wake y'all up!!
By the way - this PC B S is a very unwelcome US mindstyle import and it drives most sane people crazy.
Having sexy icons painted onto any aircraft is a great legacy from the brave crew that flew these eary missions and still do, thanks to being suckered into your stupid government's madcap Vietnam style foray into the Middle East!
The UK and USA have always had a 'special relationship' and we certainly need this strength when confronted my the mad mullahs and their brainwashed zombie billions of followers.
yeah- we'll 'tag along' we have no choice!
No wonder that most Yanks havent got a clue about the real world outside of their closed mind mentality. Not forgetting their bible belt politics and much more
PS Its Merry Christmas - not 'Happy Holidays'
george, Flowery Branch, USA says...
4:57pm Wed 6 Jun 07
I think they should let female recruits put beefcakes on THEIR planes! That would be pretty cool really.
But of course, we should NEVER, EVER, AT ANY COST, offend a muslim. Anywhere, anytime, or else they may riot and murder people right?? Oh yeah, they do that anyway......
george, Flowery Branch, USA says...
5:14pm Wed 6 Jun 07
I agree with most of what you said to john in FL.
I figured we fought along side of you in WWI and WWII, we didn't save you. (france is a different story though).
But Please!!!!! Don't go blaming your PC BS on the US!! YOu have the same problem we do. It's liberals in both countries, it didn't start here, and we're not exporting it (Although we should be exporting it to places like china and the middle east!)
But, England was almost taken over by islam once before, as was most of Eroupe.
It's time to eradicate this cancer before it's too late. Anybody that thinks they do not still have their sights set on total world domination, is simply a fool that A) doesn't read what their leaders are saying and B) doesn't know anything about history, and C) is a total idiot.
Either they're not true muslims (like many Christians are not true Christians) or they're a cancer that must be delt with, harshly.
Da Coyote, USA says...
5:36pm Wed 6 Jun 07
Jim Moore, Norcorss, GA, USA says...
6:49pm Wed 6 Jun 07
Vituperator, New Orleans, USA says...
7:02pm Wed 6 Jun 07
outspoken2, California, USA says...
8:34pm Wed 6 Jun 07
Tatiana Covington, Tucson AZ USA says...
10:17pm Wed 6 Jun 07
Tree Top Flyer, USA says...
2:27am Thu 7 Jun 07
Mr B, UK says...
4:26pm Thu 7 Jun 07
Good 'ol boy, UK says...
4:34pm Thu 7 Jun 07
We live in an age of fear of prosecution and fear of causing offense.
Blame the ambulance chasers, the freeloaders and the 'I can get a few quid out of this by sueing' mindset so alarmingly exported from the US to good old blighty.
Alan, Northampton says...
6:39pm Thu 7 Jun 07
TGR wrote:I think the idea is for when they are stationed in Muslim country, so the locals do not get offended. Either way its bullshit.
The political correctness in this country is really tiresome. If foreigners want to live in the UK, they should fit in with our culture not the other way round. If I went to live in Rome, I would make a big effort to do as the Romans do......
Alan, Northampton UK says...
6:48pm Thu 7 Jun 07
Tree Top Flyer wrote:It wasn't just the Americans who fought the Japanese you know, maybe you should learn about some history before spouting **** on the internet.
Well if Jolly 'OL England fell to the nazis we wouldn't have had to send all that lend lease stuff to you anymore and would not have to have fought the Japs for so long with hardly anything but tin and spit for almost two years ....then the nazis would have been sick of your mealy mouths and left voluntarily .....especially when you people would **** about having had to hit "1" for English or "2" for German ....
You sure F*cked up in Vietnam without Britains help didnt you.
I think we should put out of this American war with Iraq and Afghanistan and leave your sorry arses to it.
Judge, Birmingham, AL says...
9:11pm Thu 7 Jun 07
The vast majority of Americans are proud of our British Friendship, and admire the efforts and abilities of your fighting men. While we may disagree on occasion, as friends do, there is much more that unites than divides. We will stand together against an enemy sworn to destroy or enslave us, or we will fall separately.
This will not be a short or an easy war. It's just one we must win.
pia, southampton says...
11:57pm Thu 7 Jun 07
steve wrote:listen u small minded, racist english ****, actually its spelt MUSLIM, not moslim,
The sooner we convert all moslem countries into a glass covered wasteland, the sooner we can get around to re-inventing a pre=PC society. Let the rag heads and burkha-babes spend more time swatting flies and less fouling our society, and all might just work out. But I doubt it.
u think ur so great, where would ur so called country be if it wernt for us outsiders, get ur facts right, we dont foul ur so called society, u do that urself
pia, southampton says...
12:00am Fri 8 Jun 07
Tom wrote:listen mate the british are not ruled by the muslims. unless ur blind there is an english woman known as the QUEEN sat on the thrown, and no we are not offended coz people breath, maybe that ur breathing then yea, im OFFENDED "your words mate, not mine"
Sheesh, defending Crown and Country doesn't warrant a nice pin-up? Yes, the British are now ruled by Muslims and PC feminazi's... and Muslims are offended by the fact you are breathing, so who cares what they think?
pia, southampton says...
12:12am Fri 8 Jun 07
Tatiana Covington wrote:listen whoever u r, read the artical more closely, no one, no muslim protestd bout the women on the planes. YOUR ROYAL AIRFORCE CHEIFS decided amongst them selves to have them things removed. "But their plans were shot down before even getting off the ground - by politically correct bosses worried about offending female crew members and Muslim locals."
Bugger muslims' pigshit and their whole ridiculous religion. If they don't like it, let them go sod themselves and each other. The same for hyperfeminists getting worked up about nothing.
dont call me pigshit, and my religion is not rediculous, u just have the smallet mind in the whole universe, even smaller than a racist.we didnt get worked up, not yet anyway,
u can go "sod" ur self with the nearest animal u can find coz thats the most u will ever amount up to !!!
pia, southampton says...
12:19am Fri 8 Jun 07
george wrote:if the england was to change into a muslim country it would have done long ago, shame to see that thye americans are judjing this country without even being here, what ever the state of his country, it will always be 100 times more better than america.
And the conversion from British to muslim is almost complete.....
I think they should let female recruits put beefcakes on THEIR planes! That would be pretty cool really.
But of course, we should NEVER, EVER, AT ANY COST, offend a muslim. Anywhere, anytime, or else they may riot and murder people right?? Oh yeah, they do that anyway......
pia, southampton says...
12:30am Fri 8 Jun 07
a hand full of people terrorists bombed america, england, u lot have decided that were all in the wrong, at the end of the day were all human, but from our prespective, u lot are the animals who should castrated in public, just like how our image had been ruined for genarations to come,
by the looks of things pretty soon all us outsiders will be kicked out of this country, then this will be all your.
u lot can then have fun paying triple the amount of taxes, watch ur economy go down, as well as enjoy fish an chips for the rest of ur lives,
coz as soon as all us muslims r out of here, as well as our freinds the pakistanis, bengalis, hindus, punjabis, afghanis, iraqis, even the chinese and the africans ,
u so called english people better say good bye to the things we brought with us, so in many of ur cases, u can say good bye to tandoori, chicken tikka masala, popadoms, SAMOSAS, the spices that we bought from out mother country, hell even the material u use one ur clothes,
we go then so do evrything we introduced to this country !!!!!
pia, southampton says...
12:50am Fri 8 Jun 07
till then, u lot (u no who u r) un less u can prove ALL us muslims r terorist, that we r MURDERES, dont say say unless u can back it up with hard facts, coz opinions in this day an age dont count
G, says...
11:14am Fri 8 Jun 07
steve wrote:
The sooner we convert all moslem countries into a glass covered wasteland, the sooner we can get around to re-inventing a pre=PC society. Let the rag heads and burkha-babes spend more time swatting flies and less fouling our society, and all might just work out. But I doubt it.
Well Said Pia, When we get forced to get out this country i swear to you all our asian bros n sis (muslims, sikh, hindus, chinese) including Africans, Somalians, Afghans, Bengalis..etc..etc..
.take back alllllll our spices WEEEEEE invented in OURRRR mother land,
turmeric
samosa
tandoori
masala's
kebabs
poppadoms
currys
henna
clothing - includin all the stuff from GAP & H&M which majority of the clothing are shipped in from India, Bangladesh & Pakistan...."read the **** labels"
indian styled shoes that u peeps copied..(Mohjeh - in ur vocab its flip flop when they bloody ayn even flip flops)
Rice (Basmati)
Chick Peas
Lentils
Badaam
Pitta Bread/ Naan Bread/ Chappati
SHEEEEESHAAA (HUKAH PIPE) - we invented that 2
mainly our spices....because majority ov u without r spices you all wont have any ov ur meals inclusin ur friggin MCDonalds Chicken Meals..which include majority ov r spices,
So really u lot dont hav no choice...but 2 liv on potatoes (wich will make u obese n e wayssssss, like america, soon enuff u look like the americans).....
Next time before you accuse or pin things with ur racist comments read the flipping news first properly, it'll do you some good.
george wrote:
And the conversion from British to muslim is almost complete.....
I think they should let female recruits put beefcakes on THEIR planes! That would be pretty cool really.
But of course, we should NEVER, EVER, AT ANY COST, offend a muslim. Anywhere, anytime, or else they may riot and murder people right?? Oh yeah, they do that anyway......
As for u georgie porgie....
www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=6KLc0_La6p8
www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=7ro9dyWtxvU
Read the news above in order to open ur eyes.... The bloody Americans didnt have anything better to do so they had to pin the bombings onto the "Muslims" but in fact their own people new it and planned it, y dont u gunn them down ???????? insted ov pointin fingers at others ???? Then ur accusing Muslims being murderes, havbe you seen the state of this country, majority rapists, murderers there are they bloody white. Y dont u go to every prison cell digg out all the murderers and gunn them down. It is obvious you'll find more white people, in a day you can see for yourself the amount of whites that have murdered or attempted murder. Watch what you say.
MONI, Southampton says...
11:42am Fri 8 Jun 07
RAZA, Southampton says...
11:51am Fri 8 Jun 07
pia, southampton says...
11:55am Fri 8 Jun 07
kuch bhi nahii maloom, harram dhe kuthe, saala,
maroge sab ke sab
RAZA, Southampton says...
11:56am Fri 8 Jun 07
RAZA, Southampton says...
11:57am Fri 8 Jun 07
g, soton says...
11:58am Fri 8 Jun 07
george bush, washington says...
12:04pm Fri 8 Jun 07
tony blair, london says...
12:08pm Fri 8 Jun 07
Sam k, Southampton says...
7:09pm Fri 8 Jun 07
cuz u all ent dat hunky dory eitha ur d most filthiest of d human kind u infact kill ur on blud 4 wateva matters 2 u, we nli defend our ryts nd protect wat we fink is d truth. n as 4 sayin **** bwt our Religion jus goes 2 show hw shallow u ppl reli r because u can't attack us generally u hav 2 attack d religion nd if its a crime 2 hav an identity den yh us muslims r committing a crime by believing in Islam bcuz dat is our identity nd if u ragheds hav a problem wiv dat den plz **** speak 2 me or other fellow muslims out der cuz am sure we can xplain 2 u in plain simple english hw nd wat our tru religion is abwt. cuz u ppl nli believe d media nd let me tell u d media ent always ryt its nli der 2 gt a story nd sell bit lyk u small minded ppl actually cuz u dnt hav all d details bt ur d 1st 2 go round blurting crap outta d filthy mouths of urs. infact many comments thru out this topic hav offended many Muslim nd oda Asians around d UK. its nt our fault u lt lyk walkin round naked nd we dnt dats wat distinguishes us 2 u nd also d fact dat we hav an identity dat dusnt revolve around d colour of our skin. so in reality u lt r d mre rascist nd d mre decieving bunch of bumz i've eva seen. eva try sayin those fings u lt hav sed 2 ma face nd am a Muslim i'd giv u a bullet lyk ansa bk nd i swear u wudnt say stuff lyk dat eva agen. so nxt tym b4 leavin ur comments atleast think 2ce b4 u strt typing cuz if u lt can b mean den we've also had enuff of trynna b mr/miss nice guy/gal. us muslims ent gna jus sit bk nd lt u asswipes walk all ova us cuz we ent ere 4 dat nemre. d truth of d matter is dat u lt cnt hak d fact dat us Muslims r walkin 10 steps ahed of u if nt dat den atleast syd by syd wit u lt 1ce u lt **** 2 terms wiv d fact dat u ent d higher grp of beings den society will run peacefully nd we wnt hav d need 4 confliction.
G, says...
8:28pm Fri 8 Jun 07
then they wonder y they get raped (if u bound 2 wear short mini skirts boob tubes or blimin bikinis, its obvious it guna attract pervz hu then rape).....
Andre, Basingstoke says...
10:26pm Fri 8 Jun 07
The article is actually saying how pin ups were painted many centuries ago and how RAF took a wise step not too as it might offend muslim women. If this is the RAFs decision then we cant really do anything about it. Unless your in the RAF, other than that then there is no point in arguing over message boards. It isnt right to criticise another religion or belief.
Lets not forget that Britain is actually a multi cultural country and the sooner we learn this fact the better it is.
samantha, london - west side says...
10:39pm Fri 8 Jun 07
u cant blame people to react when some one says
The sooner we convert all moslem countries into a glass covered wasteland
and
they may riot and murder people right?? Oh yeah, they do that anyway......
in love wid andre from basinstoke, winchester says...
10:44pm Fri 8 Jun 07
Sam K, soton says...
10:56pm Fri 8 Jun 07
i nli rote most d stuff in my 1st msg bcuz it was a retaliation 2 wat oda ppl lyk steve nd crew sed. u cnt blame sum1 4 defending der beliefs nd views. nd i appreciate ppl lyk Andre hu has actualli tried 2 clarify d situation. lyk i sed in ma msg b4 i daint mean 2 offend ne1 bt its ppl lyk george nd d rest dat put society as a whole 2 disgrace.
Andre, Basingstoke says...
11:29am Sat 9 Jun 07
samantha wrote:I totally agree with you, it isnt justified when others disrespect another belief. Such reactions that have come out above are clearly justified. No one wishes for their religion to be insulted. Like I've mentioned before everyone are off the point. The article had nothing about the muslim side or their views. It's only the RAFs views and what they thought. It clearly states that te RAF actually have more respect for the religion then majority of the disrespectful people above, but we cant really do much if people are uneducated and illiterate at the same time. Theyve obviously failed to read the article and instead shooting out their brainless minds.
hi andre, damm right its not right to criticise other religions an beliefs, but im assuming some of these latest comments are in reply to thoses few, mainly " steve, tom, tatiana and george" u cant blame people to react when some one saysandThe sooner we convert all moslem countries into a glass covered wastelandthey may riot and murder people right?? Oh yeah, they do that anyway......
samantha, london - west side says...
2:26pm Sat 9 Jun 07
in love wid andre from basinstoke wrote:hi andre, u r the most nicest person i have ever met, well i havnt exactly met u !!!
Andre form basinstoke, i could kiss u if i ever found u.
but like the person above, i could kiss u aswell !!!
Amy, Marchwood says...
11:04am Sun 10 Jun 07
RAF Strike Command feared that having too much flesh on display ran the risk of putting off female recruits, who could view the images as sexist.
Put up men too, for the female recruits in that way it wont be sexist.
Andre, Basingstoke says...
5:06pm Mon 11 Jun 07
Amy wrote:Thats not the point. The point being is that it's uncalled for. I have little children I am sure I wouldn't want my children to grow up gazing at naked men or women on planes, and I'm sure if you have children you dont want them to view naked pictures of men or women either, it is totally immoral and dishonourable. What is the need putting up glamour pictures? I dont understand how that will help and why is it needed. The RAF have decided it isn't a good idea so what do we care? We aren't exactly going to war with them now are we? That's their own personal choice, they dont want to put them up, so be it, our opinions dont really count. I'm sure the RAF wont be logging onto www.thisishampshire.
RAF Strike Command feared that having too much flesh on display ran the risk of putting off female recruits, who could view the images as sexist.Put up men too, for the female recruits in that way it wont be sexist.
net just to read our views and what we think.
END OF !
j, This **** up country says...
12:19am Mon 10 Sep 07
pia wrote:SHUTUP YOU **** TIT I HOPE YOU GET AIDS
oh i forgot to add.... when we get kicked out of england, dont you small minded brits an americans (u no who u r) expext to go on holiday to other countries, coz people the doors will be closed for u, now all we have to do is wait and watch what happens to this country and the people in it!!!
till then, u lot (u no who u r) un less u can prove ALL us muslims r terorist, that we r MURDERES, dont say say unless u can back it up with hard facts, coz opinions in this day an age dont count
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