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9:00am Tuesday 19th June 2007

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When, on Tuesday, November 11, 2008, the world-famous Cunard liner Queen Elizabeth 2 eases herself away from the city's dockside for the last time, will the city also be wishing bon voyage to a tourism opportunity potentially millions of pounds?

For last 40 years QE2 and Southampton have been inextricably linked. The city's name itself has been carried to all corners of the globe on the ship's vast hull but now all this is about to sink without a trace.

This is another example of our British heritage being sold off to the highest bidder. QE2 is a one-off and is the essence of all maritime traditions.

Rob Wall, QE2 passenger

Anger, disappointment and tears have all greeted the news of the £50m deal, which will see QE2 withdrawn from service and then retired to the sun, sand and palm trees of Dubai, where she will be part of the lavish Palm Jumeirah, the world's largest man-made island. There she will be turned into a luxury floating hotel, retail and entertainment complex.

Many people in Southampton have long dreamt of QE2 ending her seagoing days by being moored on the waterfront where she would become a symbol of the city's maritime heritage and a major tourist attraction.

A local consortium was formed and a number of international hotel chains and entertainment corporations were contacted with the view of becoming partners in this ambitious scheme which is now well and truly scuppered.

In reality there would have been enormous problems to overcome by keeping QE2 in Southampton but the plans' backers were confident that it would have been a success.

Consortium member Terry Yarwood had some harsh words for Cunard's parent company, Carnival Corporation.

He said: "I am very disappointed that Carnival didn't give us the opportunity of securing the future of QE2 in Southampton.

"I believe we could have found backers and raised a sum like £50m but it's just too late now. She is the last great liner to be built in Great Britain. She bears a royal name and this is an insult to our head of state. Shame on you Carnival."

Readers contacted the Daily Echo to ask why the city council had not tried to intervene in the sale so the ship could be kept in Southampton.

John Hannides, Southampton City Council's Cabinet member for leisure and culture, said: "It would be difficult to envisage a time when the council would have that sort of money to spend on a project such as this. The council would have to look at anything like this in the light of other calls on funding such as schools, roads and social services.

"I would say that, if in the future a similar situation did arise, then the council in its role of facilitator and catalyst would be pleased to play the role of bringing interested parties together to ensure the city's maritime links with liners remain."

Regular QE2 passenger, 76-year-old Sheila Clayton from Southampton, was in tears after hearing that QE2 had been sold.

"I'm still shaking after hearing the news that QE2 is going," said wheelchair user Mrs Clayton who has just completed her 21st voyage on the liner.

"I have been ill in the past and I firmly believe that it has been God and QE2 that has kept me going all these years. What am I going to do now? Doesn't loyalty count for anything with Cunard? It is so upsetting I don't suppose I shall sleep much tonight."

Ironically, the sale of QE2 comes as the liner prepares to celebrate the 40th anniversary in September of her entry into service and at a time when the ship is enjoying record breaking bookings.

Another regular QE2 passenger, Rob Wall from Southampton, said: "This is another example of our British heritage being sold off to the highest bidder. I just can't believe she is going. QE2 is a one-off and is the essence of all maritime traditions not just in Southampton but for the country as a whole.

"I can remember coming home early to watch the television when she was launched by the Queen in 1967 and her arrival in Southampton for the first time in 1969.

"The new Queen Mary 2 just can't be compared to her. When she was in port together with QE2 I thought it was Beauty and the Beast. My next cruise will be the last on QE2 so I intend to savour every moment."

Former crew member Alan Sellar, who was a silver service waiter for 18 months on QE2 in 1987, is now urging Buckingham Palace to ask for the liner's name to be removed.

"I seriously think when the ship goes to Dubai she should no longer be called QE2," said Mr Sellar from Shirley, Southampton.

"Up to now it has been a proper and proud name but once it arrives in Dubai it should be painted out."

The ship that played a vital role in carrying troops to the South Atlantic during the 1982 Falklands War has become an icon of style, elegance and speed. She is now destined to be moored at a specially-built pier at the Palm Jumeirah development.

There were months of behind-the-scenes negotiations, including obtaining assurances QE2 would be preserved and properly maintained, before the deal was signed.

Carol Marlow, Cunard's president and managing director, said: "We are delighted that, when her legendary career as an ocean liner ends, there will continue to be a permanent home for her that will enable future generations to continue to experience fully both the ship and her history."

Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, chairman of Dubai World, the company that has bought the liner, said: "Dubai is a maritime nation and we understand the rich heritage of QE2. She will be coming to a home where she will be cherished."

It will be a dark winter's evening when QE2 heads down Southampton Water for the last time, the lights of her cabins and elegant public rooms twinkling in the gloom and her distinctive Cunard funnel brightly illuminated as she turns off Calshot and heads out into the Solent.

Not only will Southampton wish QE2 "God speed and a safe voyage'' for the last time, but her departure will signal - and in this case it is no cliché to say - an end of an era.

QE2 is unique. There never has been a ship like her before nor will there be in the future. She is the last link with the great golden age of transatlantic travel when the great Cunarders were considered THE only way to cross between Southampton and New York.

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hmm, says...
9:04am Tue 19 Jun 07

Isnt this the same as yesterdays story?

Garry Trestump, Soton says...
9:12am Tue 19 Jun 07

I don't think they can forbid the use of the name.

QE2 stands for "Queen Elizabeth Two", ie the second ship to be called "Queen Elizabeth", the first one being the QE1.

It is NOT named after our current Monarch, Queen Elizabeth the Second.

Sir Johnny Rotten, says...
9:29am Tue 19 Jun 07

I think I can answer why the local scheme wasn't considered by Cunard.

They offered less money than the Dubai people did.

Money makes the world go around...

SUE, southampton says...
9:30am Tue 19 Jun 07

It is a real shame that the QE2 is going to Dubai. As said previously, it would have made a fabulous hotel and conference centre.

Sailor, board says...
9:57am Tue 19 Jun 07

Nice PR stunt by a local rag after comments by readers on previous story but - gate, horse, bolt, comes to mind!

Tom, Southampton says...
11:42am Tue 19 Jun 07

I'm not sure that those moaning about the boat staying in Southampton have thought it through enough. Given our beloved council's history of mismanagement and the Chamber of Commerce's track record (run ironically by the man who failed to secure Dibden Bay), if they were able to afford to buy it within a few years the QE2 would become a rusty eyesore and a blight on the landscape of Southampton.

Graham, Southampton says...
12:39pm Tue 19 Jun 07

OK.The ship is 40 years old and has reached her natural retirement age. It is not the end of an era as we have the QM2 which is iconic and which continues all the Cunard traditions. She is going to a climate where she will not quickly rot away (as with Queen Mary) and there is no room in Southampton for her to be permanently moored due to the fact that Southampton is a busy Port with no spare berths. Apart from all those harsh facts, it is sad that her career has come to an end.

Sean Whelan, Southampton says...
12:59pm Tue 19 Jun 07

I am like many ex crew members appalled that the decision to take the QE2 from Southampton has been taken.

I was a 16 year old commis waiter in 1981 My Father was also on the Queen Elizabeth and the Queen Mary as well as many other Cunard ships

In 1986 Cunard conned many crew members who lost their jobs Including me bescuase of terrible and underhand tactics to replace most of the crew with European cheap labor.

Cunard once again have taken no interest in Southampton and not even given us the chance to try and get the QE2 a home in Southampton.

What on earth is the council doing to make this city special again we have lost so much in the last 20 years that our friends in Portsmouth must be having a party

1. Ice rink
2. Lido
3. Tall ships Race
4. Around the world Yacth race
5 Ballon festival
6. Southampton Show
7. Royal Pier
8. Ocean Village
9. Olympic size swimming Pool replaced by a smaller facility
10 QE2

It goes on and on

Our city streets are appalling
Our traffic light system is a joke

6 cruise ships in on a saturday afternoon and they decide to close 2 lanes on the Millbrook road and cause chaos

A football stadium thrown in the end of town that has nothing else around it WHY did they not put it in the middle of shops and retail related parks

They should hang thier heads in shame

Sir Johnny Rotten, says...
1:21pm Tue 19 Jun 07

1. Ice rink - privately owned by a company that was losing money on it.
2. Lido - Health risk and on prime commercial land
3. Tall ships Race - This "race" happens every year and just goes round all the major ports in the world for the tall ships owners to make money. Has nothing to do with Southampton and only came here before because the docks were badly underused (hence the space for the ships)
4. Around the world Yacth race - Again, there are dozens of round the world races going on all the time. There isn't just one.
5 Ballon festival - People stopped going, so it's our fault not the council
6. Southampton Show - Ditto the above
7. Royal Pier - It requires a massive amount of money to do up the pier, its not a cheap or easy job. Are you willing to pay more council taxes for a publically funded project?
8. Ocean Village - Privately owned land, although I admit the architecture is shoddy and they didn't learn lessons from the first time round.
9. Olympic size swimming Pool replaced by a smaller facility - but a better facility that is used far more than the old pool was.
10 QE2 - Privately owned ship, owners can do what they want with her.

Spindr, Soton says...
1:22pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Perhaps, a lot could be done still to shame Cunard and the City, but who is going to take up the gauntlet. What about SeaCity and Business Southampton - aren’t they supposed to be the voice of the City – made up of the great and the good from business? Another group full of hot air.

How about real action? A demo outside Canards’ offices would draw lots of unwanted attention to the City and Cunard. How about making comparisons with the demise of Concorde? Get a website up and running, lobby your MP. There is so much that could be done.

Why doesn’t some bright young hack investigate the deal – pull it to pieces – was it done behind closed doors. Why were the interested parties told by Cunard that they didn’t know when the ship was coming out of service. There must be a great investigative angle here.

John Hannides, Southampton City Council's Cabinet member for leisure and culture, said: "It would be difficult to envisage a time when the council would have that sort of money to spend on a project such as this. The council would have to look at anything like this in the light of other calls on funding such as schools, roads and social services.
"I would say that, if in the future a similar situation did arise, then the council in its role of facilitator and catalyst would be pleased to play the role of bringing interested parties together to ensure the city's maritime links with liners remain."
Did this man think before he opened his mouth, the council in its role of facilitator – it doesn’t have much of a track record does it. What an idiot. He needs a spin doctor.

Finally, what doesn’t this paper take a view on the deal? Where is the comment?

I’m curious – would you protest? Let me know.

annoyed by advert, back at the top of the page! says...
1:32pm Tue 19 Jun 07

How annoying to be reading an article or filling in the comments section when the Orange SIM card advert drags you back up the page again! keep going up and down like a **** yo-yo.

Robert, says...
2:31pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Cunard is and always has been a 100% capitalist organisation. They would not survive if it were otherwise. So there's nothing to be surprised about in the fate of the QE2.

Their public relations people have made a cult out of her, together with a willing media, and thereby ensured a loyal following. They did an effective job.

But now the top brass and the number-crunchers in the back office have decided on a course which runs contrary to what the media people did. They are doing a sound job too.

The only consolation is, as somebody else said, the climate in Dubai is going to be kind to the ship. Unlike damp old Southampton. And its iffy Council.


Also Annoyed, Top of the page says...
2:45pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Also annoyed by the Orange SIM advert. OK, so advertising pays for the web, but it has to not be too intrusive. No other news site does it. I for one will not be visiting this site again.

PS Sounds like Southampton is going to the dogs.

sandra, spain says...
2:46pm Tue 19 Jun 07

The cabins on QE2 need a lot of money spending on them, as they are small and shabby (apart from the top ones). Therefore, to turn her into a hotel will need almost unlimited funds. I doubt if any one would be willing to do this in the UK. I estimate that the Dubai buyer will have to use 5 cabins to make one hotel room. Also the plumbing is a disaster, with leaks everywhere. During the world cruise this year, there were daily calls for crew to attend a flood!!

Robert, says...
2:58pm Tue 19 Jun 07

So that's it! They're off-loading the QE2 'cos they can't afford the plumbers!

And when these worthy people turn up three days later than they said, they have to be flown out 1000 miles, and all the way back again!

Patricia, Hythe says...
3:47pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Everyone knows the TRUE 40th anniversary is in May 2009, not this year of her launch. It was obvious as soon as they announced the fake one she wouldn't be around for the real one. It's sad but Carnival have always hated her and would have taken the money of whatever higest bidder. So she'll be rotting in Dubai until deemed a 1* hotel venture flop once the curiosity has worn off then off to Alang. Better to send her there now and be done with it.

SIMMO, SOTON says...
3:51pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Best let her rot somewhere else.....im not paying more tax for a stinky old boat that i`ll never vist....are council cant get anything right and keeping the ship would be a diaster.....let her go as we remember her........RIP

walker, USA says...
3:59pm Tue 19 Jun 07

We in the west are observing the new trend - during your times of empire and our times of colonialism and then our joint efforts in commerce a careful observation of the changing world power would have told you that with the power of oil in the middle east and power of consumerism in the far east that all our toys, property and possessions would be up for the best price someday - watch out and hold onto your valuables.

Garry Trestump, Soton says...
4:56pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Sir Johnny Rotten wrote:
I think I can answer why the local scheme wasn't considered by Cunard. They offered less money than the Dubai people did. Money makes the world go around...
I can confirm that they were not given the chance to put in an offer!

For all Cunard knew, the consortium could have offered a sum in excess of the Dubai offer, but chose to ignore this possibility.

Why?

Colin Codpiece, Romsey says...
4:59pm Tue 19 Jun 07

As the old saying goes, "If it smells fishy and it ain't a fish then it's not a fish but something funny is occuring."

Hugh Carres, says...
5:29pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Why on earth would we want a lump of rusting iron moored in Southampton ?

Okay, so it picked up passengers from Southampton but that's about it - are people of New York (a common embarkation point) getting hot-and-bothered about it - are the people of Clydebank (where it was built) not causing a fuss ?? Why do the people of Southmapton think it's their divine right to have this eyesore permanently moored here ?

What are they suggesting, give up a permanent mooring in the docks and therefore reduce the possibility of revenue for ABP and trade for Southampton ?

Get real people, it's going to be a tourist attraction for the highest bidder, Southampton neither needs or wants it here.

Garry Trestump, Soton says...
7:24pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Hugh Carres,

Firstly, it isn't a "rusting lump" and it isn't made of iron!

The answer to your first two questions is yes.

In answer to your last one it could be moored outside ABPs area.

Paul Biddle, Oregon, USA says...
7:53pm Tue 19 Jun 07

This goes to show that nothing is ever a sure thing. For example, why didn't the local government of Southampton make an offer to buy the SS Canberra from P&O Cruises before it was sold for scrap in 1997? I've heard rumors that they passed on the Canberra in favor of the QE2. If those rumors were in fact true, then they had missed an incredible opportunity to have the SS Canberra as tourist attraction in Southampton.

Sailor Sally, Southampton says...
8:29pm Tue 19 Jun 07

Why should Cunard not sell their assest?

The QE2 is not a public service.

Maritime Enthusiast, Sarisbury Green says...
9:50pm Tue 19 Jun 07

So the QE2 is going to become a luxury hotel, retail and entertainment complex. Surely such a development can only be viable at a luxury destination. So would that be Dubai or, err, Southampton? Hmmm. And I would imagine that the £50 million purchase price is the cheap bit of the project. As soon as Southampton has become a destination like Dubai, then the city can think about luxury developments like this. We'll know when that time has come because cruise ships will visit Southampton as part of the cruise, not just to pick up and drop off!

derek jaMES, GOSPORT says...
10:31pm Tue 19 Jun 07

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FOREIGN COMPANIES TAKE OVER YOUR HOME GROWN COMPANIES (GLOBALISATION)IT WON'T MEAN A THING TO THE ARABS BUT COULD HAVE BEEN A BIG TOURIST ATTRACTION IN SOTON AS FOR RUSTING HULK, WELL THE WARRIOR IN SKATELAND IS QUITE A BIT OLDER AND STILL FLOATING, PROBABLY THE OLD GIRL WON.T LAST LONG, REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QE1 IN HONG KONG HARBOUR? SUGGEST ANYONE GOING ON A CRUISE BOYCOTTS CUNARD.

gulfbridge, says...
3:44am Wed 20 Jun 07

Why is everyone getting so upset? Has it not registered yet that this is a deal between the Americans who own the ship and the Gulf Arabs who wish to buy her? If you wanted to keep the ship British, you should have stopped Cunard from becoming American-owned.

Rajiv, Sydney says...
7:48am Wed 20 Jun 07

Get a life people, If I own the ship I can sell it to whoever I want and need not consult anyone about it. As others have pointed out, Southhampton has no greater claim to it than Clydebank or NY. And face it - the ship has a far better chance of survival in Dubai than rusting in Southhampton. And Dubai *is* a tourist location and it will attract far greater crowds than in Southhampton where it will be written off as scrap for lack of funding.

Rector Visoti, London says...
9:10am Wed 20 Jun 07

Why would anyone want to come to Southampton JUST to stay on an old ship that was converted into a permenantly moored hotel structure? If it were here with our weather, it would quickly become a dilapidated eyesore. Actually, it already looks like a dilapidated eyesore. The fact that the Dubai crew are going to be spending more millions to bring it back to spec is testament to that!

syed, says...
11:56am Wed 20 Jun 07

just because the QE2 sailed from southampton does not mean that city has some right to it after it retires from service - if they wanted it they should have paid for it
it is not an insult to the queen, though i feel some contributors are using this story to insult the arabs

get some prespective, cunard can sell to whoever they want to

GET A LIFE

Ian, says...
12:43pm Wed 20 Jun 07

Hmmm... Dubai or Southampton? I know where I'd rather visit!!

Beryl, southampton says...
3:42pm Wed 20 Jun 07

"I would say that, if in the future a similar situation did arise, then the council in its role of facilitator and catalyst would be pleased to play the role of bringing interested parties together to ensure the city's maritime links with liners remain''

THen why didnt the council back the consortium. and help them organise keping QE2 IN SOUTHAMPTON. the old pier entrance wounl make a fitting entrance or QE2 could be moored in the King george VI dry dock with the pupming station used as a museum

Paul Biddle, Oregon, USA says...
11:35am Thu 21 Jun 07

Since Southampton Consortium has lost its bid to acquire the QE2, maybe they should focus their attention on buying the SS Norway from the scrappers instead. Unlike the RMS Windsor Castle, SS Southern Cross, and the SS Canberra, the SS Norway hasn't been broken up yet pending the asbestos court case in India. Therefore,the QE2 is no longer an issue for Southampton. The SS Norway is the priority since it too has a strong history with the city as the SS France, which is the only other ship that can rival the QE2 in it Pre-SS Norway state.

david sarfian, swindon says...
6:54pm Thu 21 Jun 07

can Terry or keith call me 01793 703 102 i would like to talk to you as i am angry about this too and want to help keep the QE2 in southampton David Sarafian.

Ron Burchett, Adelaide, South Australia says...
12:55pm Fri 22 Jun 07

Being a lifetime lover of the Cunard Queens, and having been lucky enough to enjoy two trips on QE2 in our southern waters, I was disappointed and saddened to hear the announcement that this beautiful ship (more so than the QM2 in my humble opinion)has been sold for retirement in Dubai. It would have been much more fitting if it could have been retained in Britain where it originated. Her annual world cruise visits to Oz will begreatly missed by many; for many years now they have been the much anticipated highlight of our maritime year. Ron Burchett.

Ken Clarke, Brighton says...
5:30pm Fri 22 Jun 07

Garry Trestump wrote:
I don't think they can forbid the use of the name. QE2 stands for "Queen Elizabeth Two", ie the second ship to be called "Queen Elizabeth", the first one being the QE1. It is NOT named after our current Monarch, Queen Elizabeth the Second.
The Queen named the ship 'Queen Elizabeth the Second' (there are plenty of recordings around if you don't believe it). It was generally accepted at the time that the ship was named after QEII and Cunard explained the use of the arabic '2' instead of the roman 'II' as being part of the 'modern' image of the ship and to differentiate between monarch and ship! It is only in recent years that Cunard started backtracking and came up with the 'Two' story - never has there been a Mauretania 2 or Caronia 3 so why a QE 2??

Andrew, Bournemouth says...
8:01pm Fri 29 Jun 07

It came as a real blow to me when i heard about the qe2 sale. I thought, at least we would be able to keep her in the UK, the same place where she was built.

it seems to be the way these days. if its abit of sellable british heritage and we can flog it to rich foreiners, lets get it on ebay and see who will cough up the most for it.

Look! Jags and rolls royces and all the other best things about briatin have be sold off to to highest bidder in the past. At this rate, if we carry on we won't have much left to be proud of. it won't surprise me if we see one day, buckingham palace sold off to some oll rich texan or arab.

Don't you think its time to put a stop to this nonsence?

Has our country lost its backbone or something.

Is there something we can do to keep the qe2 in britain.

I for one, for be happy to put some of my cash into a fund to save the qe2 from being kept in some forein land.

Is there someone out there reading this with abit of gustow who has some brians behind them and can help me to putup a fight a raise alot of cash so the qe2 remains in the uk?

if we all gave a fiver or a 10er or whatever with the right poeple behind us then shurely we could do something. Look I think the qe2 is one of those things about briatin we should not let go.

PlEASE, someone let us do something about it. i dont wont to see such a great ship as the qe2 leave britain and never come back out of our hands forever.

please forgive my poor spelling.

(at least im honest about it. lol)

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