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Why couldn't QE2 have remained in her home port?

9:00am Sunday 24th June 2007

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IT was a sentimental Edwardian music hall song of years ago but now, almost a century later, it's words could not be more appropriate as Southampton prepares to say a long goodbye to the liner, Queen Elizabeth 2.

The song's chorus went: "We've been together now for 40 years, An' it don't seem a day too much.'' How true that is. Ever since the world famous Cunarder was launched in September, 1967, the city of Southampton and QE2 have been inextricably linked.

What do you think? Could QE2 have remained in Southampton, and if so where could she have been berthed and how would you wished to see her spend her retirement? Leave your comments below.

In fact, for many people, her distinctive funnel and elegant shape is as much a symbol of the city as the Bargate.

Her graceful decks have, over the decades, played host to royalty, film stars, sporting champions, world leaders, showbusiness personalities and captains of industry.

From the moment passengers step on board into the warm wood-panelled mid-ships lobby, where usually a harpist is playing, QE2 somehow seems to wrap herself around guests, cossets and treats them to an unequalled experience, hallmarked by the ship's understated luxury.

QE2 was at the pinnacle of her career during the years she continued the great Cunard tradition of scheduled crossings from Southampton to New York.

An Atlantic passage is always an adventure but QE2 was built to power her way through these unpredictable seas and when, on one westbound crossing, an enormous 95ft rogue wave hit the liner, she took it in her stride.

The most powerful civilian vessel ever made, QE2 still has the ability of going astern faster than many new ships can travel forward.

Her sumptuous surroundings offer passengers the very best of everything, her famed grill rooms bywords for exquisite haute cuisine and at any one time, stored away in her larders, is a third of the total global production of caviar.

Underneath her name, on the ship's mighty hull, and picked out in large metal letters is the word "Southampton'', a tangible and strong connection that has existed ever since the day she first entered the water 40 years ago.

Now this unique link is to be severed forever as QE2 has been sold off for £50m to be turned into a floating resort in the oil-rich Middle East state of Dubai.

Real emotions of shock, anger and deep disappointment were felt throughout Southampton earlier this week as the city faced up, with disbelief, to the fact that in just 17 months' time QE2 will leave the docks for the final time, never to return.

At 40 years old, QE2 is an elderly dame as far as ships are concerned and for many who have enjoyed a long love affair with the liner, there was the sad realisation that this was indeed the end of an era.

Some were upset at the thought of never seeing her familiar outline on the city's skyline in the future, others were annoyed Southampton was not given the opportunity to buy the liner, while former passengers and crew just could not bear the thought of the most famous ship in the world ending up with her engines ripped out, never to voyage the oceans again.

There were also suggestions it might have been better for QE2 to be sent to the scrapyard and then remembered in all her glory as a liner, supremely designed to face the rigours of the seas, rather than tied up and forever denied her real role as one of the great greyhounds of ocean travel.

QE2, the last great, true ocean liner to be built in Great Britain, bridges the decades between today's modern cruise ships and the golden era of transatlantic travel when the original Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth reigned supreme over the waves.

After the shock, came anger as people asked: "Why was Southampton never even given the chance of bidding for QE2 so she could remain in her home port?'' A consortium of businessmen and shipping enthusiasts had long cherished the dream of eventually seeing QE2 permanently moored on the city's waterfront as a major tourist attraction, conference centre and hotel.

Back in June, 2005, Terry Yarwood, a consortium member, wrote to Micky Arison, boss of Miami-based Carnival Corporation, Cunard's parent company, asking him, when QE2's time was at an end, if Southampton could make a bid for the liner.

"Carnival knew there was strong interest in Southampton to keep QE2 but we were never even given a chance,'' said Mr Yarwood.

"The deal with Dubai was signed and sealed before anyone knew anything about it.

"When QE2 leaves she will take with her one of the greatest missed opportunities that has slipped through the fingers of Southampton.

"She belongs here, not in some far-off place in the Middle East. She is the embodiment of not only the city's maritime heritage but of the nation as a whole.'' Mr Yarwood is confident the consortium could have raised the £50m asking price, said to be the largest sum ever paid for a ship heading for retirement, and he confirmed there had been interest in the project from an international hotel chain.

Of course QE2 would be a spectacular attraction, putting Southampton on the tourist map, and if enthusiasm and affection for the ship were all that was needed to save her, then the liner's long term future would indeed remain on the south coast.

In reality, though, keeping and maintaining a ship of such distinction would be an enormous undertaking and the £50m price tag would be just the beginning.

The first and most problematical obstacle would be identifying and acquiring a suitable long-term berth for the liner.

This would be no easy task as, although QE2 is small compared to today's vast new superliners twice her size, she is still a large ship and it is unlikely that somewhere, such as the port of Southampton, would gladly give up scarce quayside space for a scheme of this type.

So where else would QE2 go? Town Quay and Mayflower Park would not be able to support the visitors, vehicles and services needed to support the liner.

Perhaps an area around the Royal Pier? This would be expensive as dredging would be needed and land reclaimed from the sea.

Allowing for this initial stage to be successful, next would be many logistical hurdles, such as road infrastructure for access, the provision of a large area for car parking, the installation of permanent power and water supplies together with a sewage system, security and safety considerations, to be crossed.

Tourism expert, Shirley Pinn, director of Destination Southampton, agreed that the presence of QE2 in the city could only be good for the economy.

"Thousands of tourists would come every month and QE2 would provide a prestigious venue for a conference centre,'' said Ms Pinn.

"It would be a great asset for the city which does struggle not having a major attraction.'' The positioning of QE2, with her 950 cabins, which can accommodate up to 1,900 guests, would however have a significant impact on the existing hotel trade and there are fears this sudden large increase in the number of bedrooms available in the city would dilute the overall business as occupancy levels dropped.

Top Cunard executives say the sale of QE2 to Dubai is the best outcome for her future as millions of dollars will be lavished on the ship and the hot, dry climate will help maintain her the fabric.

As far as Dubai is concerned the acquisition of QE2 is a great coup and a spokesman guaranteed she would be "cherished''.

But now the countdown to Tuesday, November 11, 2008, when QE2 leaves Southampton forever, has begun and on that sad date the city will say farewell to an old friend.


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STEVE ADAMS, GOLD COAST AUSTRALIA says...
11:01am Sun 24 Jun 07

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT HER REAL HOME
'SOUTHAMPTON' REMAINS ON HER HULL, IF THEY ARE REALY TO MAINTAIN HER HERITAGE.
SAD THAT SOUTHAMPTON COULD NOT HAVE GOT ITS ACT TOGETHER LONG BEFORE, SURELY THEY KNEW THIS WAS COMING, ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT SHE HAD YEARS OF SERVICE LEFT.

Fred, says...
12:00pm Sun 24 Jun 07

For a city that clings to "Maritime Heritage" as our only WoW factor, this is yet another missed opportunity. Are our city "leaders" permanently asleep....?

Daz, Southampton says...
12:28pm Sun 24 Jun 07

I agree that Southampton should have done something positive with the QE2.... but can you imagine the backlash if they had ? For every person that would support this project there would have been dozens of moaners who would rather waste it in other areas of "urban regeneration"

mr.southampton, Southampton says...
12:42pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Yes, another missed opportunity for Southampton the QE2 could have been converted into luxury appartments with a hotel, casino and ice rink, then could have been topped off by firing a 4-way lazer beam from it.

Rob Lightbody, Clydeside - QE2's birthplace says...
2:18pm Sun 24 Jun 07

The ship wasn't ready to be withdrawn from service yet - everybody's been caught out and not had a chance to put together bids for the ship. Carnival have jumped at the first decent offer because they're so scared of a 'Blue Lady' situation (The Norway currently rotting on a beach in India)

But the ship's been making a massive profit for Cunard, more than the QM2. The 1987 re-engineering meant that she wasn't as 'decrepit' as has been made out.

Its just all very weird. The ship's birthplace and her homeport could both have done with the boost that this attraction would have given to them.

lionel, Southampton says...
4:32pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Missed opportunity? Get real - Cunard have picked up £50million for her, and the new owners will spend as much again. How much extra council tax would you have paid to keep her here?

Ricardo, Southampton says...
5:49pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Gotta say, whilst I can see that some people see this as a loss of local heritage, do those who want the ship kept in Southampton really know what they'd be taking on?

The QE2 is absolutely huge- somehow I cannot see how it would be possible to fill all of it if it were converted to a hotel and conference centre, especially considering that its location, in the middle of the docks, would be some way from the city centre and isnt really all that appealing.

Further, would people staying in a hypothetical 5 star QE2 hotel, or using a conference venue really want to have tourists traipsing around the ship? Im not so sure! Also consider the tourists- the QE2 will need to be extensively modified for such a use- so it wouldnt really be a historic monument anyway!

Finally, keeping the QE2 would deprive the expanding port of a prime deep-water berth which could be used just as profitable for cargo shipping without the investment and responsibility of a preserved vessel. Better to focus on the prime role of Southampton- a major seaport- than an expensive and ill-conceived attempt at tourism.

Leave the tourism to places with better tourist facilities and attractions such as Portsmouth or Bournemouth!

Mick Cannick, southampton says...
6:29pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Its just a worn out ship, we cannot keep every thing. look at the berks digging up pots etc that people threw away a hundred or more years ago.
Where we putting all this tat, do you think ABP would give up space for the QE2.

Mary Hinge, southampton says...
6:30pm Sun 24 Jun 07

lionel wrote:
Missed opportunity? Get real - Cunard have picked up £50million for her, and the new owners will spend as much again. How much extra council tax would you have paid to keep her here?
NONE!

m, Soton says...
8:33pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Ohh, can we have an ice rink now then please??

Robert, says...
12:29pm Mon 25 Jun 07

How do you know it's a worn-out ship, Mick? Have you inspected the tracking and tyre tread, the brake pads and the headlight alignment?

lake, says...
1:00pm Mon 25 Jun 07

yawn....how many more times is this story going to be run. let it go and move on

aghast, southampton says...
7:00pm Mon 25 Jun 07

Mick Cannick wrote:
Its just a worn out ship, we cannot keep every thing. look at the berks digging up pots etc that people threw away a hundred or more years ago.
Where we putting all this tat, do you think ABP would give up space for the QE2.
Yeah, I suppose those berks who discovered Pompeii should've just let it be, you culturally bereft goon.

Mick Cannick, southampton says...
7:15pm Mon 25 Jun 07

aghast wrote:
Mick Cannick wrote: Its just a worn out ship, we cannot keep every thing. look at the berks digging up pots etc that people threw away a hundred or more years ago. Where we putting all this tat, do you think ABP would give up space for the QE2.
Yeah, I suppose those berks who discovered Pompeii should've just let it be, you culturally bereft goon.
was that your reasoned argument? And lets not bring the 'skates' into this, LOL!

Alex Naughton, Liverpool says...
7:39pm Mon 25 Jun 07

Funny you mention this.

I have just had a petition to 10 Downing Street website on this very issue approved!

You can find it at
http://petitions.pm.
gov.uk/QE2oceanliner
/

If you agree then feel free to sign it and pass it to others who may be interested.

Britain should at least be given a chance to bid for the QE2 rather than have the Dubai deal being done secretly behind the scenes without a proper bidding process.

TGR, Southampton says...
8:16pm Mon 25 Jun 07

Maybe the QE2's gone (or going) but I'm sure she will not be forgotten.

Beryl, southampton says...
10:50pm Mon 25 Jun 07

Alex Naughton wrote:
Funny you mention this. I have just had a petition to 10 Downing Street website on this very issue approved! You can find it at http://petitions.pm. gov.uk/QE2oceanliner / If you agree then feel free to sign it and pass it to others who may be interested. Britain should at least be given a chance to bid for the QE2 rather than have the Dubai deal being done secretly behind the scenes without a proper bidding process.
Good ,I am glad someone is taking this seriosly. The QE2 would give this city the WOW factor mahing an exelent tourist attraction. The King George VI dry dock which is no longer dry on account of the gates being rremoved as it would appear to expensive to replace. There is also a Stoddart & PItt crane which waas rescued from being broken up. A lottery bid and businesses could pay for its purchase and upkeep

annie, Southampton says...
12:42am Tue 26 Jun 07

Why would we have to put up with the Qe2 its a rust bucket .Where would we put it Ealing perhaps .get real

Fred, Soton says...
8:30am Tue 26 Jun 07

Raising the case to buy the QE2 is one thing but having the finance to support the liner long term is another altogether.

It has to be remembered that this is a private business deal and Carnival are quite within their rights to see to whom they wish.

Whilst the QE2 has been a great icon of Southampton for the last 40 years, it's time to move on. The city now has a new generation of liner which are differently spectacular but spectacular none the less.

I hope the QE2 will be given a respectful reast in Dubai but Southampton needs to let her go.

Gazza, chapel says...
11:37am Tue 26 Jun 07

maybe carnivalshould be told to vacate their newoffice site to make more room for ikea

charlie, SYDNEY AUSTRALIA says...
2:39pm Tue 26 Jun 07

GOOD DAY FROM SYDNEY AUSTRALIA, IT WILL BE A HAPPY & SAD DAY IN FEBRUARY 2008, WHEN THE NEW MEETS THE OLD, THE NEW BEEN THE "QUEEN VICTORIA" ON HER MAIDEN VOYAGE TO AUSTRALIA, & THE LAST VOYAGE TO SYDNEY OF THE FAMOUS CUNARD "QUEEN ELIZABETH 2" (QE2), THERE WILL BE A LOT OF ENTHUSIASTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COMING TO SYDNEY IN FEBRUARY 2008 TO SEE & CAPTURE ON VIDEO & FILM THE LAST CHANCE OF SEEING THE QE2 IN OUR HARBOUR CITY, & IT IS A SAD SORRY STATE, THAT "SOUTHAMPTON" DID'NT GET IN BEFORE THE MIDDLE EAST RICH GRABED HER.

THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF ENTHISASTS HERE IN SYDNEY AUSTRALIA MAKING SURE THAT THE QE2'S FINAL WORLD VOYAGE FROM SYDNEY WILL BE ONE NOT TO BE MISSED BY ANYONE.

Cllr Andrew McConnell, BEDFORD says...
10:47pm Tue 26 Jun 07

Gordon Brown should save the QE2, sign my petition to show your support.


http://petitions.pm.
gov.uk/SaveTheQE2/

Robert, says...
3:34am Wed 27 Jun 07

Tell you what - you remember that fabulously successful film "Raise the Titanic"?

Well let's make another even more spectacular film called "Sink the QE 2"
And with all the proceeds from that we could drag the ship back up and she could end up in Southampton after all!

All it takes is brains...


Sparky, Southampton says...
4:28pm Wed 27 Jun 07

Does anyone here realise what it would take to convert the QE2 into a hotel? The ship spends upwards of £50million on every refit, every 2 years, she is riddled with asbestos, the plumbing is shot, the emergency electrical system is 220v DC!!!

And how can we trust our council to keep it up, look what happened to Ocean Village, The Ice Rink, King George V Graving Dock, he only thing Southampton City Council want is a quick buck, take a leaf from Portsmouth Council and start doing something with your city.

tracy lant, Orrell, Lancashire says...
1:21pm Fri 21 Sep 07

I worked on the QE2 in 1994 and 1995 and i think it is a shame that this beautiful liner is going to another country. Goodbye QE2.

Chris Foy, Leicester says...
11:42pm Tue 10 Jun 08

I have had the great fortune to travel on QE2 for the last 24 years as a passenger. The day we arrive to 11 November will be a very emotional time. I am lucky enough to be traveling with her to Dubai on her final voyage.I wish Cunard would have kept her in Southampton as it will be sad never to see her there again. From past experiance I know that Southampton will give her a send off no one there will ever forget. QE2 is truly a liner of our life time

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