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City door staff get metal detectors in knife crackdown

9:30am Saturday 13th October 2007

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PUBS and clubs in Southampton are being issued with metal detectors to stop knives and guns being taken inside.

A total of 60 nightspots in the city centre area are being given the "wands" this weekend as police step up their fight against serious crime.

It is the latest initiative being taken by Hampshire police together with licensees in a bid to make Southampton a safe place to be at night.

It comes as the Daily Echo continues its campaign encouraging people to put down their knives, called Carrying a Blade, It's Not Sharp.

Officers patrolling the city's streets will be carrying the metal detectors which can be swiped over a person's body to detect metal implements.

Last night, as the first of the wands were distributed having been delivered only yesterday morning, door staff at some venues were also given brief training on how to use them.

A total of 60 were ordered and paid for by police in Southampton following feedback from members of the licensing trade as well as customers at pubs and bars.

The introduction of the metal detectors follows a pilot at one nightclub last month where they were used and hailed a success.

Police have introduced the scheme, the first of its kind in the south, in a bid to reduce the amount of violent crime and reassure people that Southampton is a safe place to be at night.

Inspector Tony Rowlinson, from Southampton police's community safety team, said: "The metal detectors are something we, together with the licensing trade, wanted to invest in as well as reassuring people that there will be no knives or guns inside nightspots in Southampton."

The introduction of the wands follows a number of fatal knifing incidents this year.

In February 15-year-old Dele Little died from a stab wound to the heart, in March carer Sarah Merritt died after being stabbed to death during a routine visit to her client while later that month teenager Lewis Singleton died from stab wounds as he walked home from a night out.

"Hampshire Constabulary are taking knife crime very seriously in terms of its response," added Insp Rowlinson.

"Operation Sharp is what has been conceived as a result of incidents this year and that involves a number of initiatives. As well as the clubs and bars being issued with wands, officers were also carrying them and using them in the city centre last night.

"The aim is to make Southampton a safe place to be at night. This is not something we will be doing all the time but we want to remind people that it is not acceptable to come to Southampton with a knife or a gun.

"The message to people is clear - If you want to come here with a weapon don't bother as you will be found, you will be arrested and you may well end up in prison."

The wands were starting to be distributed by staff from the police licensing team last night and will pick up anything metal including keys and money.

Insp Rowlinson added; "We will be taking a pragmatic approach to any search which sets off the detectors. If there is a detection it will lead to a more thorough pat down. We are pleased to be working in partnership with the licensing trade to make Southampton one of the safest places to come to for a night out in the south."

Ben Ralph, assistant manager of the Square Balloon in Above Bar, received their metal detector last night.

He said: "I think it's a really good thing. The licensing trade has been working closely with the police to make Southampton a safer place to be at night and we think our customers will respond quite well because tjey will feel safer."

Rob Lovell, head of security, added: "I think people will be quite receptive because it will obviously cut down any potential problems with knives. We have been doing random searches for some time but have never recovered any weapons or had any problems with them. It's nice and reassuring to see the police working so closely with door staff."


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Harry Remmington, New Forest says...
10:25am Sat 13 Oct 07

"door staff at some venues were also given brief training on how to use them"

Typical half hearted effort

Adrian Smith, says...
10:36am Sat 13 Oct 07

"The introduction of the wands follows a number of fatal knifing incidents this year."

None of the incidents mentioned occured in a pub or club.

Do I now have to eat meals in pubs with plastic knives?

keep, looking behind you says...
10:43am Sat 13 Oct 07

The problem is for a piece of kit like this most door staff will require a 6 month training package, there is still a job to be done there just is not the time.

gorf, soton says...
11:25am Sat 13 Oct 07

its only a matter of time untill something like that happens in the city centre though....

all cases mentioned are fueled by drink!

Ian, Turkey says...
1:26pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Typical piece of Nulab policing policies, which do not involve police.
I hardly think it likely people will try to get in a club with a knife, but what if a doorman stops somebody.Will he will then have to try and carry out a citizens arrest, risking a riot with others, or just let him go, which will solve nothing.

harry grout, Slade says...
3:21pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Doh...what end dave....Doh....is it on...........Doh...m
e head urts......

Bill, DeSoto, Mo. USA says...
4:20pm Sat 13 Oct 07

I think that the use of metal detectors at these night spots is a good idea. However, I fail to see why the public should foot the bill for them. Surely these night clubs make enough revenue to pay for them their selves.

Ted, Soton says...
5:16pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Harry Remmington - the training is meant to be brief. Its not difficult to press a button on a metal detector and doorstaff are trained in searching already.

Adrian Smith - no, no stabbings took place in a pub or club, but this is about prevention and not reaction.

Keep, looking behind you - "The problem is for a piece of kit like this most door staff will require a 6 month training package" - WHERE did you get that riduculously inaccurate information from?!? The metal detector is handheld. You press a button to turn it on and sweep it over peoples' bodies. If it bleeps it means that it has detected metal. It takes about 30 seconds to learn how to use it, not 6 months!!!!!!!! And, as I've already said, Doorstaff are already trained in seraching and personal safety.

Do people on this site ever see the good in anything?!?

keep, looking behind you says...
5:32pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Ted got the point of my last post, sign him up for the first six week!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

stupid bouncer, says...
5:51pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Ted r u calling my pint a wh0re? wat u lookin at duyou wann a photo? i is doorstaff, doorstaff aint intelligent peorsons mate Do u sersly fink us n0nces will b manage 2 use that metol ditecter?

Mike, says...
6:05pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Who is the little guy on the right in the photo, the one with the odd face? Don't try and tell me he's a doorman. Hahahaha.

Bus Driver, Southampton says...
6:26pm Sat 13 Oct 07

I see that they are introducing the wands at pubs and clubs.
But has anyone realsied that the reported KNIFE attacks this year,, had NOTHING to do with pubs or clubs..
So yet again they system is wasting it's money and resources.

Lee Whitbread, Labour Party Candidate for Bassett says...
9:15pm Sat 13 Oct 07

I very much welcome the idea. Violence in pubs is a very serious problem and metal detectors will hopfully help to combat it.

Kinger, USA says...
9:23pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Quite agree with Bill,Desoto.mo

Leah, Southampton says...
9:44pm Sat 13 Oct 07

In the past I have been critical about how police and/or government resources are spent but I am in full support of this. One of the people mentioned in the above article was actually a good friend of some of my friends. Maybe some people don't understand the pain caused until it happens to someone close to them which I pray it never will. I agree with what Ted said - 'this is about prevention and not reaction'. I know I wouldnt want to wait until someone was killed before action was taken against bringing weapons into pubs and nightclubs. I went into a club recently and one of the staff was wearing a stab proof vest because he told us that he had been stabbed a little while before and one of my friends also got stabbed recently (he's fine though). I am pleased that the police are taking action and I'm sure it will make people in clubs and pubs feel a lot safer as you really don't know who is carrying a knife these days. I also know that many people carry one for protection with no intent of actually using it but the danger is always there that they COULD use it. It is especially risky where alcohol is involved as the effects of alcohol make people more violent and less in control of their actions.

J, Hants says...
10:05pm Sat 13 Oct 07

Vote Labour for a weak, left wing, liberal society that is too scared to come down on people who carry knives and guns like a tonne of bricks...

10 years for carrying a knife, 20 years for carrying a gun...

The only reason the scum of our society carry these weapons is because they know they can! It is that simple. It would only take a few high profile public cases of young people having their lives taken away because they will be spending a very long time in prison and a lot would be thinking twice...

amy keable, totton says...
4:45am Sun 14 Oct 07

I fully support this new bit of 'kit' that they have introduced into the clubs and bars of southampton however as far as i know there have been no incidents with knives.

I feel that bottles are a more serious problem,as a victim myself i know the damage they can do,i feel the money would be much better myself spent on plastic but the clubs seem to think more of profit than safety!!

keep, looking behind you says...
10:37am Sun 14 Oct 07

Leah wrote:
In the past I have been critical about how police and/or government resources are spent but I am in full support of this. One of the people mentioned in the above article was actually a good friend of some of my friends. Maybe some people don't understand the pain caused until it happens to someone close to them which I pray it never will. I agree with what Ted said - 'this is about prevention and not reaction'. I know I wouldnt want to wait until someone was killed before action was taken against bringing weapons into pubs and nightclubs. I went into a club recently and one of the staff was wearing a stab proof vest because he told us that he had been stabbed a little while before and one of my friends also got stabbed recently (he's fine though). I am pleased that the police are taking action and I'm sure it will make people in clubs and pubs feel a lot safer as you really don't know who is carrying a knife these days. I also know that many people carry one for protection with no intent of actually using it but the danger is always there that they COULD use it. It is especially risky where alcohol is involved as the effects of alcohol make people more violent and less in control of their actions.
Usually the stab vest is just an extension of the obvious organ and not needed at all, in fact in terms of manouver it will slow down the wearer and in some instances if the assailent knows what he his up to aid him in his assault. I am all up for giving people the correct tools for the job but I am not into massaging already inflated egos. Someone made a comment earlier which was quite true, what is the door supervisor going to do if he discovers a knife? here is where the real training pays off. Unfortunately since the SIA in their wisdom introduced its requirements for the job it has lowered standards to such an unacceptable level that it is possible for anyone who can read and write to obtain a badge without demonstrating any of the required physical attributes one would hope a doorman possesed.

gorf, soton says...
10:53am Sun 14 Oct 07

saying that about the metal.....

the serious injurys are usualy caused by the glasses from the bars and not guns / knifes!


Robert, says...
11:11am Sun 14 Oct 07

I think it's a good idea and ought to be given a chance. It won't eliminate the dangers but it should cut them down considerably.


If an all-metal character like the Terminator came along he'd make the equipment explode...

Leah, says...
4:48pm Wed 17 Oct 07

amy keable wrote:
I fully support this new bit of \'kit\' that they have introduced into the clubs and bars of southampton however as far as i know there have been no incidents with knives. I feel that bottles are a more serious problem,as a victim myself i know the damage they can do,i feel the money would be much better myself spent on plastic but the clubs seem to think more of profit than safety!!
That's a good point about having plastic bottles. Maybe anyone reading these posts working in a pub/club will consider it?

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