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Titanic survivor slams Dr Who plot
9:00am Monday 24th December 2007
Comments (29)MILLVINA Dean, the Titanic's only living survivor, has hit out at the BBC for using the doomed liner as the plot for the Christmas Day episode of Dr Who.
Ms Dean, 95, from Woodlands in the New Forest - who lost her father in the infamous sinking when she was a two-month-old baby - said: "It is disrespectful to the dead and bereaved to make entertainment of such a tragedy."
In the special episode, Dr Who will be confronted by an alien version of the ill-fated Southampton liner colliding with the Tardis.
The Titanic sank on her maiden voyage in 1912 after colliding with an iceberg with the loss of more than 1,500 passengers and crew.
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Gus Tofwind, southampton says...
9:10am Mon 24 Dec 07
Should of gone to spec savers.
Sheitma Pance, Soton says...
9:17am Mon 24 Dec 07
Would you be saying "This is entertainment" if the show featured the twin towers, for example?
To 'Gus Tofwind': Show some respect.
Gozza (Not a Dr Who fan), Southampton says...
9:33am Mon 24 Dec 07
Why is this any different?
jed, soton says...
10:14am Mon 24 Dec 07
But I do agree that some of the comments here are disrespectful and obviously written by ignorant people?
Adam, says...
10:36am Mon 24 Dec 07
Fred, Bristol says...
10:41am Mon 24 Dec 07
Sheitma Pance wrote:And I think you need remember that thousands of people have died during the various wars, but we all love a good war film don't we?
To 'Dr Who Fan': Remember that hundreds lost their lives on this ship. Would you be saying "This is entertainment" if the show featured the twin towers, for example? To 'Gus Tofwind': Show some respect.
The story of the Titanic and its passengers, can be romantic, thought-provoking, humourous and upsetting, all the elements of a good film!
While I understand the rather old fashioned views, they are exactly that - old fashioned.
It's a BBC programme, so will surely be in good taste and - don't forget - it's DR WHO. Hardly reality TV is it?!
WWIII, Southampton says...
10:46am Mon 24 Dec 07
Darren, chanders ford says...
11:31am Mon 24 Dec 07
Gus Tofwind wrote:Thanks, I was drinking tea when i read that and it ended up coming out of my nose.
Nice spec's, you could start a fire with them on a sunny day! Should of gone to spec savers.
Anon, Southampton says...
12:16pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Are those special iceberg spotting glasses she is wearing?
Sheitm,a Pance, Soton says...
12:23pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Gus Tofwind, southampton says...
12:29pm Mon 24 Dec 07
This was 95 years ago and comedy always comes from tragedy.
you need to wind your neck in and try to have a bit of fun at a harmless comment.
As for your 'twin towers' comment it is not comparable as its so recent but it will happen. do you comment about 2nd world war films??? this was only 60 years ago, virtually yesterday then?
i did,nt even mention her 'snail' earrings!
Derek, Dibden Purlieu says...
12:35pm Mon 24 Dec 07
mr.southampton, Southampton says...
12:47pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Sheitm,a Pance wrote:And the Kate Winslett film was a documentary??? There's even a spoof of that same film called thumbtanic which stars a set of thumbs...
What you is forgetting is Dr Who is a comedy/children's programme, not a serious film, hence it is inappropriate and disrespectful
The point is that yes, originally the titanic was a tragedy, however through the passing of time it has become a cultural phenomenon, much like other big 'shared' events like WWI and II. Because of their prominence in our cultural narrative they take on their own importance as mythologies.
The Titanic is now essentialy a mythological story about man creating a machine to command nature (the sea) but failing. There are some parrellels with the story of Icarus, the ship was even called the Titanic just in case anyone missed the mythological link first time round. This is why it's a story that captures peoples imaginations still and is now part of our shared culture.
... Therefore it is perfectly legitimate to make films, write books etc based upon the story. The length of time since it happened has changed it from a story of individual loss and tragedy to a cultural event.
And what about programmes such as Allo-Allo, essentially using the occupation of France as a vehicle for national stereotypes and lewd humour, not to mention any sort of mention of the holocaust in a film or use of associated imagery such as the 'storm troopers' in Star Wars!
darnall 42, sheffield says...
1:18pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
1:21pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Anon wrote:A little unfair but I hear what you are saying. From the New York Post:-
She is slamming Dr Who but has been lunching out on it for 95 years. I wonder how many events she has been pedalled out at now. Are those special iceberg spotting glasses she is wearing?
"Elizabeth Dean, 95, of Southampton, England, was only 2 months old when on April 15, 1912, the supposedly unsinkable vessel went to the bottom of the Atlantic after hitting an iceberg.
Dean, who broke her hip last year and has been living in a nursing home, became the Titanic's sole survivor when Barbara West Dainton of Truro, England, died at 96 on Oct. 16.
Dean's family, fighting for elbow space with the third-class passengers on the ill-fated liner, was en route to Wichita, Kan., to start a new life in America.
Dean, her mother, Georgette, and brother, Bertram, were all rescued and taken back to England aboard the SS Adriatic - but minus her father, Bertram Frank Dean, whose body was never recovered.
Dean didn't even know she was on the Titanic until she was 8, when her widowed mother was about to remarry. Dean never married. She didn't start getting into the Titanic spirit until the 1980s - when she was well into her 70s - when she began attending conventions and appearing on TV and radio shows.
Dean finally made it to the United States some 85 years after the tragedy, arriving here in 1997 aboard to the Queen Elizabeth 2, and visiting Wichita on an invitation."
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
1:23pm Mon 24 Dec 07
WWIII wrote:Why not just refuse to pay your licence fee. You do pay it don't you?
I too am disgusted with the BBC, after turning my television on to find a film called 'The Great Escape'. I've not come across this film before, but it was disrespectful to the dead and bereaved to make entertainment of such a tragedy. I hope they realise their mistake and don't show it again.
RP, lancashire, England says...
4:06pm Mon 24 Dec 07
And yes, this woman HAS been involved in a lot of Titanic publicity. Dined out is the appropriate phrase. My suspicion is she was just upset at not being invited to the preview party. And perhaps the Sun weren't either, hence their attempt to have a go at the programme.
Sam, at home says...
8:49pm Mon 24 Dec 07
I've heard that army food has improved since those days.
Gemma, southampton says...
11:21pm Mon 24 Dec 07
Glen, Southampton says...
2:00am Tue 25 Dec 07
Shame on you.
Anon, Everywhere. says...
6:16am Tue 25 Dec 07
Glen wrote:Would you do her?
I see some posters above have no respect for a Titanic survivor of 95.
Shame on you.
Gus Tofwind, southampton says...
11:37am Tue 25 Dec 07
Anon wrote:Teeth in or out?
Glen wrote: I see some posters above have no respect for a Titanic survivor of 95. Shame on you.Would you do her?
Anon, Everywhere. says...
2:41pm Tue 25 Dec 07
Hiram Hackenbacker, Tracey Island says...
9:07pm Tue 25 Dec 07
Sheitm,a Pance wrote:I've just seen the Titanic sketch in Time Bandits - "waiter, more champagne, with plenty of ice".
What you is forgetting is Dr Who is a comedy/children's programme, not a serious film, hence it is inappropriate and disrespectful
King Mush, Woolston says...
9:35pm Tue 25 Dec 07
April 11 at sea:
"Titanic sink? Dont be silly my dear boy - this ship is made of irony!"
SKM, usa says...
7:13am Wed 26 Dec 07
King Mush, Woolston says...
7:28pm Fri 28 Dec 07
SKM wrote:'Tasteless'? I dont think so. Maybe frivolous in parts but generally a great movie and the subject was dealt with on a fairly tasteful basis, as far as one can with 'disaster' types. The public love 'em.
with all due respect, why wasnt such a fuss made when movies were made, such as Camerons tastless epic, and earlier movies on the same subject?
Not many 'earlier' movies to talk about - the 1953 (?) Night To Remember was an excellent film as well and still stands up to scrutiny today.
Volcanic, Oban says...
3:36pm Sun 30 Dec 07
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Dr Who Fan, Southampton says...
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