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What price a degree?

7:04am Sunday 17th August 2008

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IT USED to be a rite of passage for thousands of students at the beginning of every term - queuing up to collect the grants that would help them through the following weeks.

But with the abolition of the far more generous grants system that many parents of today's students benefited from, and the introduction of tuition fees, the price of going to university has never been so high.

The recently published NatWest Student Money Survey estimates the total cost of three years at university to be £34,740.

For students, it's no longer a case of getting their grub on a grant but lunching on a loan - and getting more and more into debt.

The bank of mum and dad can end up taking a very big hit too.

Students who started university in the UK last year can expect to owe more than £17,500 by the time they leave university, according to the annual Push debt survey of 2,000 students.

With such a monster financial hangover it's no wonder that today's 20 to 30-year-olds have been dubbed the iPod generation - insecure, pressurised, overtaxed and debt ridden.

Now across Hampshire far more youngsters than ever before are easing the cost on themselves - and their parents - by studying locally so they can continue to live at home.

Totton College principal Mark Bramwell has seen the numbers of students going on to local universities double during the past five years.

"About 65 per cent of students going on to university will stay within the region because of financial issues,"

he said.

"They might also want to continue with existing part-time jobs or study niche areas catered for by local universities."

Southampton's two universities and Winchester University all say they have a high intake of students from across the region.

Nearly a third of Southampton Solent university students are classed as local.

Its student advice manager Alison Golden organises events for freshers living at home to ensure they get the full student experience.

"Unlike those who are living in a halls of residence it can be hard to immediately feel part of a student community if you are living at home,"

she said.

"We have a strong students' union and student support network officers to help them get involved.

"There are plenty of social activities and events. They can definitely have the full student experience."

Nowadays it's simply not possible for the average student to leave university without getting into debt.

Emma O'Donoghue, Southampton Solent University's education partnership urged the use of special student low interest loans that offer the chance of affordable repayments, unlike more expensive commercial loans.

"My advice would be to get your forms in as quickly as possible and make sure that if students are being income assessed they have photocopied evidence to speed things up, such as their parents earnings.

"You should also speak to the university that you are applying to, as each may have its own bursaries and grants. For example, at Solent we give students from local colleges a £250 cheque."

Miss O'Donoghue said that students applying to start university in 2009 will be the first to fill in an online questionnaire scheduled to go live in May from the Student Loans Company to assess their entitlement to financial help.

The company will also take over the role of local authorities by assessing meanstested help for new students starting at university in 2009.

This assessment takes account of household income such as parents' earnings for the previous year and any income from savings and benefits.

For the year 2008/09 students from households with an income under £18,360 will get a full, non-repayable maintenance grant, of £2,835.

Where the household income is between £18,360 and £39,305 students are entitled to a non-repayable maintenance grant on a sliding scale of between £2,834 and £50.

In households with an income of between £39,305 and £60,006, students may be able to claim up to £2,834 for an "appropriate"

reason - for example if a student is disabled.

Previously students didn't have to pay a penny for the joy of lectures, seminars and tutorials.

That all changed in the late nineties leading to today's undergraduates having to pay £3,145 for the next academic year (2008/09).

Currently the amount universities can charge is capped by the Government but, ominously, that could change when a review of the fee arrangements is carried out next year.

According to Universities UK, representing all universities, the earliest any changes could be introduced would be for the academic year 2010/11.

There is widespread speculation that universities will want to set their own tuition fees in the future - sparking fears of even higher costs.

While these fees can be paid off at any time, help is at hand for students and parents who cannot afford to pay these off immediately.

Students can take out a low interest Tuition Fee Loan from the Students Loan Company to cover the cost. The money is paid direct to the university and a student only has to start paying back instalments once they are earning more than £15,000.

In addition, students are currently entitled to a maximum £4,625 student maintenance loan, paid out in three instalments during the academic year.

Again this is paid back once a student is earning over £15,000 and the current interest rate, which is the same for the tuition fee loan, is 3.8 per cent.

Currently a graduate earning £25,000 would make a monthly repayment of £75.

With all these figures it's easy to think is it worth it.

The Government has said graduates earn over a lifetime £400,000 more than non-graduates.

However, a different report from Universities UK put that figure at £160,000 although different subjects are likely to lead to greater or lesser earnings. For example the returns are greater for dentistry graduates compared to arts graduates.

Research by the Department for Education and Skills, keen to see even more university students, found that graduates are more likely to vote, volunteer and be active citizens.

They are also less likely to smoke, more likely to exercise and generally more healthy.

That's one thing you can't put a price on.


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Condor Man, Southampton says...
8:17am Sun 17 Aug 08

How ironic that our very own John Denham is Higher Education minister when his party took away free fees. It's a crime against ordinary hard working people that they have to pay over the odds for a decent education. Typical of an elitist government to show utter contempt for anyone who wants to better themselves.

Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!

Big Boy, Hythe says...
8:56am Sun 17 Aug 08

Seems a bit expensive, especially for the Arts studies students. They aren't likely to be earning much once they graduate.

Forum editor, says...
9:14am Sun 17 Aug 08

Big Boy wrote:
Seems a bit expensive, especially for the Arts studies students. They aren't likely to be earning much once they graduate.
Which means that these easy subjects might disappear and University might get to creating scientists etc. instead of meedja types - the kind that can't spell and frequent this newspaper.

paul b, says...
9:22am Sun 17 Aug 08

how fit are they?

BOGOF, Southampton says...
9:24am Sun 17 Aug 08

Media Studies - are they still providing these at uni - I thought you got one free with Hello magazine!

Real Life, says...
9:45am Sun 17 Aug 08

Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt...

GO GET A JOB

Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:56am Sun 17 Aug 08

Real Life wrote:
Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?

George, says...
10:30am Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote:
Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Train driver, for one. Or any number of driving jobs. Anyone with a driving licence and some common sense can turn that into a £30k+ salary if they put their mind to it. Plumber? Any tradesmen, really, could earn that. Lots of sales jobs. Supervisory roles, management. Ok, a lot of these jobs you won't walk into on £30k, but there's a lot to be said for working your way up the ladder.

Or there's self-employment. A huge number of small businesses are owned by unqualified people. Those without much in the way of qualifications are generally much more likely to take the risks involved in starting a business. People with an education, and the attendant career success, they're on the whole unwilling to give up a decent, stable salary on the off chance that their business idea takes off. Alan Sugar, anyone? It's rare to make any serious money working for someone else

Even if you do continue your education, a degree isn't always necessary. I started off doing an HND, with the intention of continuing on to a degree if I needed to. Turned out the HND was enough, I got a graduate job without needing a degree, started the same job on the same day as someone who had done the degree I would've gone on to do. I had far less debt than he did, and had only spent 2 years studying rather than 4.

Plenty of alternatives to a degree, with similar reward.

Real Life Mk 2, Southampton says...
10:30am Sun 17 Aug 08

30K -
MP
Councillor
Police Officer
Degree not required

Real Life, says...
10:52am Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace.

It concerns me that it appears too much emphasis is put on a University education. Also, the social side of that is almost seen as a given to youngsters. They are at Uni to better themselves, not to get drunk.

This country is short of basic skills. We are not short of people with soft easy degrees that contribute very little to this country.

In answer to your question, you can earn over £30k a year without a Uni degree... if you are willing to work hard enough.

PS. I have no degree, but earn a lot more than £30k a year as a tradesman.

southy, redbridge says...
11:39am Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
How ironic that our very own John Denham is Higher Education minister when his party took away free fees. It's a crime against ordinary hard working people that they have to pay over the odds for a decent education. Typical of an elitist government to show utter contempt for anyone who wants to better themselves.

Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!
was not the labour party that took this away.
the free goverment grants for collage and university was stop in the late 1980's,but it was change again by the labour goverment,but not the way every one was expecting,the burden stayed the same just in a diffrent way.
and those off you who say,tell them to get a job,when are they expected to take there classes and to studie

Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:12pm Sun 17 Aug 08

What a difference between the old Labour (real one) and the New Labour, which in fact is the unofficial vanguard of Conservative Party?

To make higher education available to the masses first variety started places like Open University, and the second phoney lots have introduced expensive student fees, which are scaring youngsters away from higher education because they do not want to get into debt.

Billions wasted by Brown to fund war for the benefit of mainly American oil giants could have been used for higher education of our youngsters. It is the hypocrisy of the highest order because most of the people in power are the beneficiary of free education but do not want others to have the same.

In the long run as a nation we will end up paying a very high price for the commercialisation of higher education.

Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:15pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
How ironic that our very own John Denham is Higher Education minister when his party took away free fees. It's a crime against ordinary hard working people that they have to pay over the odds for a decent education. Typical of an elitist government to show utter contempt for anyone who wants to better themselves. Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!
Denham is not the only one who under the old decent system not only received free education but also received some student grant as well, which paid towards their living costs. (In some cases even to price of dope to smoke!) Many others have also done the same. It is sheer hypocrisy.

Father, says...
4:02pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Happy now.

At leastr paying full fees for higher education will not make my daughter feel guilty for skipping the UK to be a surgeon in the US for a 7-figure salary.

Condor Man, Southampton says...
4:42pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Real Life wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace. It concerns me that it appears too much emphasis is put on a University education. Also, the social side of that is almost seen as a given to youngsters. They are at Uni to better themselves, not to get drunk. This country is short of basic skills. We are not short of people with soft easy degrees that contribute very little to this country. In answer to your question, you can earn over £30k a year without a Uni degree... if you are willing to work hard enough. PS. I have no degree, but earn a lot more than £30k a year as a tradesman.
I bet you do, but are you PAYE? I doubt it.

nohelpforhardworking !, southampton says...
5:34pm Sun 17 Aug 08

UNI FUNDING FACTS: if mum and dad are divorced, dad earns a good salary and mum less than £18k, the kids live with mum and get Uni fees paid and free grant money - how is that fair? As a married couple both incomes are means tested! APPRENTICESHIP FACTS: Child benefit and tax credit cease when a youngster takes up an apprenticeship at age 16, but most start on less than £2 an hour, so mum and dad still keep them...how fair is that?
Give our hard working youngsters, and their hard working married parents a break - as usual the average family and their offspring suffer. The winners are the wealthy divorced and the dole scroungers!!

George, says...
5:50pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace. It concerns me that it appears too much emphasis is put on a University education. Also, the social side of that is almost seen as a given to youngsters. They are at Uni to better themselves, not to get drunk. This country is short of basic skills. We are not short of people with soft easy degrees that contribute very little to this country. In answer to your question, you can earn over £30k a year without a Uni degree... if you are willing to work hard enough. PS. I have no degree, but earn a lot more than £30k a year as a tradesman.
I bet you do, but are you PAYE? I doubt it.
What does PAYE have to do with it? You're changing the rules, Condor Man! The question was "what job pays over £30k pa that doesn't require a degree?". You can't wriggle out of the answers by adding new restrictions as they arise! Fact is, it's perfectly possible to earn that without getting a degree.


Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:58pm Sun 17 Aug 08

The sad fact of life is that in many fields where in the past degrees weren't a necessity today they are. From nursing and teaching to accountancy and surveying it's impossible to qualify as a professional without having a degree first. Many trademen work hard for their money but usually have to work more hours than a well paid white collar worker to do this- my dad works 48 hours a week to earn as much as my boss does in 37.

With trades becoming ever more rare (and their rates of pay dropping because of cheap foreign labour flooding the market) it's vital that young people have the best education possible, it's just a pity it's only available to those who can afford it.

Dre, Hyde says...
6:58pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
I left school at 16 and went straight into a mechanical engineering apprenticeship. Now 24 and earning over 40k per year. Uni is for lazy **** who spend too much money on pints.

southy, redbridge says...
8:13pm Sun 17 Aug 08

try 17 years of age in 2000

Tom, St Marys says...
10:13pm Sun 17 Aug 08

Condor Man wrote:
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Mine !

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