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7:04am Sunday 17th August 2008
IT USED to be a rite of passage for thousands of students at the beginning of every term - queuing up to collect the grants that would help them through the following weeks.
But with the abolition of the far more generous grants system that many parents of today's students benefited from, and the introduction of tuition fees, the price of going to university has never been so high.
The recently published NatWest Student Money Survey estimates the total cost of three years at university to be £34,740.
For students, it's no longer a case of getting their grub on a grant but lunching on a loan - and getting more and more into debt.
The bank of mum and dad can end up taking a very big hit too.
Students who started university in the UK last year can expect to owe more than £17,500 by the time they leave university, according to the annual Push debt survey of 2,000 students.
With such a monster financial hangover it's no wonder that today's 20 to 30-year-olds have been dubbed the iPod generation - insecure, pressurised, overtaxed and debt ridden.
Now across Hampshire far more youngsters than ever before are easing the cost on themselves - and their parents - by studying locally so they can continue to live at home.
Totton College principal Mark Bramwell has seen the numbers of students going on to local universities double during the past five years.
"About 65 per cent of students going on to university will stay within the region because of financial issues,"
he said.
"They might also want to continue with existing part-time jobs or study niche areas catered for by local universities."
Southampton's two universities and Winchester University all say they have a high intake of students from across the region.
Nearly a third of Southampton Solent university students are classed as local.
Its student advice manager Alison Golden organises events for freshers living at home to ensure they get the full student experience.
"Unlike those who are living in a halls of residence it can be hard to immediately feel part of a student community if you are living at home,"
she said.
"We have a strong students' union and student support network officers to help them get involved.
"There are plenty of social activities and events. They can definitely have the full student experience."
Nowadays it's simply not possible for the average student to leave university without getting into debt.
Emma O'Donoghue, Southampton Solent University's education partnership urged the use of special student low interest loans that offer the chance of affordable repayments, unlike more expensive commercial loans.
"My advice would be to get your forms in as quickly as possible and make sure that if students are being income assessed they have photocopied evidence to speed things up, such as their parents earnings.
"You should also speak to the university that you are applying to, as each may have its own bursaries and grants. For example, at Solent we give students from local colleges a £250 cheque."
Miss O'Donoghue said that students applying to start university in 2009 will be the first to fill in an online questionnaire scheduled to go live in May from the Student Loans Company to assess their entitlement to financial help.
The company will also take over the role of local authorities by assessing meanstested help for new students starting at university in 2009.
This assessment takes account of household income such as parents' earnings for the previous year and any income from savings and benefits.
For the year 2008/09 students from households with an income under £18,360 will get a full, non-repayable maintenance grant, of £2,835.
Where the household income is between £18,360 and £39,305 students are entitled to a non-repayable maintenance grant on a sliding scale of between £2,834 and £50.
In households with an income of between £39,305 and £60,006, students may be able to claim up to £2,834 for an "appropriate"
reason - for example if a student is disabled.
Previously students didn't have to pay a penny for the joy of lectures, seminars and tutorials.
That all changed in the late nineties leading to today's undergraduates having to pay £3,145 for the next academic year (2008/09).
Currently the amount universities can charge is capped by the Government but, ominously, that could change when a review of the fee arrangements is carried out next year.
According to Universities UK, representing all universities, the earliest any changes could be introduced would be for the academic year 2010/11.
There is widespread speculation that universities will want to set their own tuition fees in the future - sparking fears of even higher costs.
While these fees can be paid off at any time, help is at hand for students and parents who cannot afford to pay these off immediately.
Students can take out a low interest Tuition Fee Loan from the Students Loan Company to cover the cost. The money is paid direct to the university and a student only has to start paying back instalments once they are earning more than £15,000.
In addition, students are currently entitled to a maximum £4,625 student maintenance loan, paid out in three instalments during the academic year.
Again this is paid back once a student is earning over £15,000 and the current interest rate, which is the same for the tuition fee loan, is 3.8 per cent.
Currently a graduate earning £25,000 would make a monthly repayment of £75.
With all these figures it's easy to think is it worth it.
The Government has said graduates earn over a lifetime £400,000 more than non-graduates.
However, a different report from Universities UK put that figure at £160,000 although different subjects are likely to lead to greater or lesser earnings. For example the returns are greater for dentistry graduates compared to arts graduates.
Research by the Department for Education and Skills, keen to see even more university students, found that graduates are more likely to vote, volunteer and be active citizens.
They are also less likely to smoke, more likely to exercise and generally more healthy.
That's one thing you can't put a price on.
Big Boy, Hythe says...
8:56am Sun 17 Aug 08
Forum editor, says...
9:14am Sun 17 Aug 08
Big Boy wrote:Which means that these easy subjects might disappear and University might get to creating scientists etc. instead of meedja types - the kind that can't spell and frequent this newspaper.
Seems a bit expensive, especially for the Arts studies students. They aren't likely to be earning much once they graduate.
paul b, says...
9:22am Sun 17 Aug 08
BOGOF, Southampton says...
9:24am Sun 17 Aug 08
Real Life, says...
9:45am Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:56am Sun 17 Aug 08
Real Life wrote:Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
George, says...
10:30am Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:Train driver, for one. Or any number of driving jobs. Anyone with a driving licence and some common sense can turn that into a £30k+ salary if they put their mind to it. Plumber? Any tradesmen, really, could earn that. Lots of sales jobs. Supervisory roles, management. Ok, a lot of these jobs you won't walk into on £30k, but there's a lot to be said for working your way up the ladder.
Real Life wrote:Ok smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOB
Real Life Mk 2, Southampton says...
10:30am Sun 17 Aug 08
Real Life, says...
10:52am Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace.
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
southy, redbridge says...
11:39am Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:was not the labour party that took this away.
How ironic that our very own John Denham is Higher Education minister when his party took away free fees. It's a crime against ordinary hard working people that they have to pay over the odds for a decent education. Typical of an elitist government to show utter contempt for anyone who wants to better themselves.
Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:12pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:15pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:Denham is not the only one who under the old decent system not only received free education but also received some student grant as well, which paid towards their living costs. (In some cases even to price of dope to smoke!) Many others have also done the same. It is sheer hypocrisy.
How ironic that our very own John Denham is Higher Education minister when his party took away free fees. It's a crime against ordinary hard working people that they have to pay over the odds for a decent education. Typical of an elitist government to show utter contempt for anyone who wants to better themselves. Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!
Father, says...
4:02pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:Happy now.
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Condor Man, Southampton says...
4:42pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Real Life wrote:I bet you do, but are you PAYE? I doubt it.
Condor Man wrote:As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace. It concerns me that it appears too much emphasis is put on a University education. Also, the social side of that is almost seen as a given to youngsters. They are at Uni to better themselves, not to get drunk. This country is short of basic skills. We are not short of people with soft easy degrees that contribute very little to this country. In answer to your question, you can earn over £30k a year without a Uni degree... if you are willing to work hard enough. PS. I have no degree, but earn a lot more than £30k a year as a tradesman.Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
nohelpforhardworking
!, southampton says...
5:34pm Sun 17 Aug 08
George, says...
5:50pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:What does PAYE have to do with it? You're changing the rules, Condor Man! The question was "what job pays over £30k pa that doesn't require a degree?". You can't wriggle out of the answers by adding new restrictions as they arise! Fact is, it's perfectly possible to earn that without getting a degree.
Real Life wrote:I bet you do, but are you PAYE? I doubt it.
Condor Man wrote:As others have said, there are plenty of opportunities in traditional skill based jobs, but perhaps some youngsters are scared off of them as they involve some hard graft. Many engineering companies will take on basic skilled people and help them through their HNC's etc to become qualified, whilst still contributing day to day at the workplace. It concerns me that it appears too much emphasis is put on a University education. Also, the social side of that is almost seen as a given to youngsters. They are at Uni to better themselves, not to get drunk. This country is short of basic skills. We are not short of people with soft easy degrees that contribute very little to this country. In answer to your question, you can earn over £30k a year without a Uni degree... if you are willing to work hard enough. PS. I have no degree, but earn a lot more than £30k a year as a tradesman.Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:58pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Dre, Hyde says...
6:58pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:I left school at 16 and went straight into a mechanical engineering apprenticeship. Now 24 and earning over 40k per year. Uni is for lazy **** who spend too much money on pints.
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
southy, redbridge says...
8:13pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Tom, St Marys says...
10:13pm Sun 17 Aug 08
Condor Man wrote:Mine !
Real Life wrote: Here's an alternative to going to University and getting into debt... GO GET A JOBOk smart arse, tell me a job that pays over £30k a year that doesn't require an applicant be educated to at least degree standard?
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Condor Man, Southampton says...
8:17am Sun 17 Aug 08
Let's just stick to Sure Start and Tax Credits!