Drink driver who killed cyclist jailed for seven and a half years (From This is Hampshire)

Good, I would have preferred life for this moron but at least it's not the usual slap on the wrist.
Let's hope the car owner who did a runner is caught and jailed appropriately soon for his part in this.

Got almost all he deserves, his remorseful comment regarding not wanting to drive again is laughable. He shouldn't have been driving in the first place. Public Menace is a most apt comment from the judge.

And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

StEmmosfire wrote:
And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Nothing. Please tell us your foolproof method for preventing crime

excellent news, hope he suffers hell behind bars

I feel this man should pay for his crime accordally . In my eyes he knew what he was doing and i say eye for an eye. may he rot in the prison may heart goes out for the victims and their families and the emergency people who have to clear and deal with the aftermath.

cockney boy wrote:
I feel this man should pay for his crime accordally . In my eyes he knew what he was doing and i say eye for an eye. may he rot in the prison may heart goes out for the victims and their families and the emergency people who have to clear and deal with the aftermath.

This was manslaughter, not murder. How do we invoke "an eye for an eye" here? I suppose we could stick some drunk drivers on a racetrack and force the guy to cycle round it, take his chances

Max Lulz wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Nothing. Please tell us your foolproof method for preventing crime

I'm an engineer, lets leave that to the "experts" shall we.

StEmmosfire wrote:

Max Lulz wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Nothing. Please tell us your foolproof method for preventing crime

I'm an engineer, lets leave that to the "experts" shall we.

Good idea. Unless you can build some contraption for crime prevention?

The lifetime ban from the roads will mean nothing to this scum. He was driving without a licence or insurance anyway! 7 1/2 years not enough in my opinion.

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StEmmosfire wrote:
And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

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butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

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stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

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stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No.

Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through.

Also, cocks

(by the way, "an element of mercy" is a trap. Don't fall for it)

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stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

It's a murder on society. Did this guy really thing he could go about living like this and not think he could eventually kill someone because of his actions. It was far worse than just a "drink drive" incident. Most criminals here not only think they have a slim chance of getting caught but also even if they did, generally the punishment wouldnt have much of an effect on their scummy little lives. Yeah this guy got 7 years and as for being banned for life, not having a licence did'nt stop him driving. NOT ENOUGH!

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stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

Yeah he should have blown the whole city up to stop the witnesses eh ? Perhaps your have a different out look on it if it was your father killed that night. No mercy to morons with no respect for law and order I say. Nothing or no-one can defend a loser like this not even you.

StEmmosfire wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

It's a murder on society. Did this guy really thing he could go about living like this and not think he could eventually kill someone because of his actions. It was far worse than just a "drink drive" incident. Most criminals here not only think they have a slim chance of getting caught but also even if they did, generally the punishment wouldnt have much of an effect on their scummy little lives. Yeah this guy got 7 years and as for being banned for life, not having a licence did'nt stop him driving. NOT ENOUGH!

No it's not a murder on society. Quit the histrionics! Don't try the "eventually kill someone" tactic, because statistically, most drink-drivers don't actually kill anybody, so if you want to follow that to it's logical conclusion, then basically there's nothing wrong with drink-driving. (note, I don't think that's the case, but if you try and use the "he'll eventually kill someone" argument, you'll fall flat on your face).

I know you think 7 years isn't long enough, but fact is, he's not a murderer. No, he isn't.

What I'd like to see is, sentences actually being served. He's got 7 years. So he'll realistically be out in 3, with good behaviour. THAT is not good enough. The sentence should always be served in full, with extra time added on for bad behaviour.

Agree, too, that there's little point banning him for life, since it meant nothing before. Then again, they can't exactly not ban him for life, can they? You'd be even more up in arms then. "He's still allowed to drive! Oh noes!" etc. Once we discover reincarnation, we can ban him for several lives, perhaps

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

Yeah he should have blown the whole city up to stop the witnesses eh ? Perhaps your have a different out look on it if it was your father killed that night. No mercy to morons with no respect for law and order I say. Nothing or no-one can defend a loser like this not even you.

Tired Old Internet Cliche #384: only polar opposite opinions exist.

Reality: just because I don't support your idea of hanging the guy, doesn't mean I'm defending him.

Also, despite my warning, you still fell for the "mercy" trap. It's a trap! The mercy element is not there for the benefit of the criminal, it's there for the benefit of society. With an equally harsh punishment for many disparate crimes, the opposite to deterrence is achieved. Before you know it, we won't have rape victims, only dead women who were raped before they were killed. Think about it.

Plus, of course I'd feel different if it was my father killed that night. But it wasn't. Only an unemotional response can ever hope to be objective and unclouded. my grandmother hated all "Japs" because her first husband died in a POW camp. Til her dying day, she thought all "Japs" were murdering scumbags. Was she right?

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

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stmarysmush wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

Yeah he should have blown the whole city up to stop the witnesses eh ? Perhaps your have a different out look on it if it was your father killed that night. No mercy to morons with no respect for law and order I say. Nothing or no-one can defend a loser like this not even you.

Tired Old Internet Cliche #384: only polar opposite opinions exist. Reality: just because I don't support your idea of hanging the guy, doesn't mean I'm defending him. Also, despite my warning, you still fell for the "mercy" trap. It's a trap! The mercy element is not there for the benefit of the criminal, it's there for the benefit of society. With an equally harsh punishment for many disparate crimes, the opposite to deterrence is achieved. Before you know it, we won't have rape victims, only dead women who were raped before they were killed. Think about it. Plus, of course I'd feel different if it was my father killed that night. But it wasn't. Only an unemotional response can ever hope to be objective and unclouded. my grandmother hated all "Japs" because her first husband died in a POW camp. Til her dying day, she thought all "Japs" were murdering scumbags. Was she right?

Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being. The moron did murder a cyclist. Therefore we should not waste my taxpayed money on crackhead scum with a dangerous weapon (a Car). Allowing him to live is not an option as he`s taken the life of a law abiding person.

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StEmmosfire wrote:

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stmarysmush wrote:

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butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

It's a murder on society. Did this guy really thing he could go about living like this and not think he could eventually kill someone because of his actions. It was far worse than just a "drink drive" incident. Most criminals here not only think they have a slim chance of getting caught but also even if they did, generally the punishment wouldnt have much of an effect on their scummy little lives. Yeah this guy got 7 years and as for being banned for life, not having a licence did'nt stop him driving. NOT ENOUGH!

No it's not a murder on society. Quit the histrionics! Don't try the "eventually kill someone" tactic, because statistically, most drink-drivers don't actually kill anybody, so if you want to follow that to it's logical conclusion, then basically there's nothing wrong with drink-driving. (note, I don't think that's the case, but if you try and use the "he'll eventually kill someone" argument, you'll fall flat on your face). I know you think 7 years isn't long enough, but fact is, he's not a murderer. No, he isn't. What I'd like to see is, sentences actually being served. He's got 7 years. So he'll realistically be out in 3, with good behaviour. THAT is not good enough. The sentence should always be served in full, with extra time added on for bad behaviour. Agree, too, that there's little point banning him for life, since it meant nothing before. Then again, they can't exactly not ban him for life, can they? You'd be even more up in arms then. "He's still allowed to drive! Oh noes!" etc. Once we discover reincarnation, we can ban him for several lives, perhaps

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone. The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

How can you say that if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs, speed and make dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone! The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots.

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone.

Because, statistically, that's true.

The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

Projecting his hatred of criminals onto those who don't share his extremist views. Wishes violence upon anybody who disagrees with him. Unable to separate the point from the man. Conclusion? Not worth bothering about. Dismissed. Come back when you've learnt how to debate properly.

Also, fannies

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StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

For one thing it would save alot of money guarding him, feeding him,paying him, clothing him, etc. A cell is too good for a scumbag like that. It would show society we dont tolerate low life losers. IM sure his daughters would gladly put the noose over his neck. Not too mention the other innocent man who has to try and recover from all his injurys because of a crack head loser. No wonder the county is looking to other political parties to try and get law and order.

Ah, but that's a different argument. You said hanging this guy would stop people breaking the law. How?

Simply a deterent....leave him to rot for a week hanging.....would be ideal i think....few seagulls pecking at him should do the trick dont you think ?

Not really. Most criminals take part in crime in the belief they won't get caught. That's the deterrent. The whole "capital punishment as deterrent" argument has been thoroughly blown out of the water. The USA, for example, still has the death sentence in some states. Is it stopping murder? No. Besides, this wasn't even a murder. "What's the difference?" you might say. Well, if he was going to swing for it anyway, he'd have nothing to lose by simply killing all known witnesses, in the hope he might get away with it. Sentences have to have an element of mercy in order to be effective, a reason for the crime not to escalate. Should someone who kills whilst drink-driving really get a worse sentence than a serial torture murderer? Or even a similar one? Think it through. Also, cocks

Yeah he should have blown the whole city up to stop the witnesses eh ? Perhaps your have a different out look on it if it was your father killed that night. No mercy to morons with no respect for law and order I say. Nothing or no-one can defend a loser like this not even you.

Tired Old Internet Cliche #384: only polar opposite opinions exist. Reality: just because I don't support your idea of hanging the guy, doesn't mean I'm defending him. Also, despite my warning, you still fell for the "mercy" trap. It's a trap! The mercy element is not there for the benefit of the criminal, it's there for the benefit of society. With an equally harsh punishment for many disparate crimes, the opposite to deterrence is achieved. Before you know it, we won't have rape victims, only dead women who were raped before they were killed. Think about it. Plus, of course I'd feel different if it was my father killed that night. But it wasn't. Only an unemotional response can ever hope to be objective and unclouded. my grandmother hated all "Japs" because her first husband died in a POW camp. Til her dying day, she thought all "Japs" were murdering scumbags. Was she right?

Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being. The moron did murder a cyclist. Therefore we should not waste my taxpayed money on crackhead scum with a dangerous weapon (a Car). Allowing him to live is not an option as he`s taken the life of a law abiding person.

Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being. The moron did murder a cyclist. Therefore we should not waste my taxpayed money on crackhead scum with a dangerous weapon (a Car). Allowing him to live is not an option as he`s taken the life of a law abiding person.

Evidence, please. If he's a murderer, why is he not charged with murder?

If a car is a dangerous weapon, why are all car drivers not arrested on sight?

Allowing him to live is an option, I'm afraid. Wishful thinking on your part won't change that.

Unable to keep his raging hormones out of a previously lucid argument: Conclusion? Epic fail. A losar is you

Not quite, murder is the pre-meditated killing, manslaughter is accidental or non-pre meditated killing. However, considering his actions, I think a charge of murder would have been more appropriate. It's like a robber who accidentaly kills someone with the gun he wasn't going to use. Although technically manslaughter, they could be charged with murder because the intent was demonstrated in the carrying of the weapon. Anyway, back to the subject, I agree with whichever one said the jail term should be served in full. It gradually gets diluted from what the victim's family wants, what the police want, what the CPS want, what the judge wants, what they actually serve.

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone.

Because, statistically, that's true.

The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

Projecting his hatred of criminals onto those who don't share his extremist views. Wishes violence upon anybody who disagrees with him. Unable to separate the point from the man. Conclusion? Not worth bothering about. Dismissed. Come back when you've learnt how to debate properly. Also, fannies

More like someone that cant face the truth. AKA YOU

What extremist views?

Getting me mixed up with someone else me thinks.

At no point do I wish any violence on anyone. It's a matter of fact it will happen again, back to my original point.

And your statistices refer to just "drink driving"

Your right you not worth bothering about.

Derek didnt deserve this and neither did his family.

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

Yes there is, but after a hanging there are no repeat offenders.

StEmmosfire wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone.

Because, statistically, that's true.

The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

Projecting his hatred of criminals onto those who don't share his extremist views. Wishes violence upon anybody who disagrees with him. Unable to separate the point from the man. Conclusion? Not worth bothering about. Dismissed. Come back when you've learnt how to debate properly. Also, fannies

More like someone that cant face the truth. AKA YOU

What extremist views?

Getting me mixed up with someone else me thinks.

At no point do I wish any violence on anyone. It's a matter of fact it will happen again, back to my original point.

And your statistices refer to just "drink driving"

Your right you not worth bothering about.

Derek didnt deserve this and neither did his family.

LOL PWNT! You guys are teh funneh.

What "truth" am I not facing? The "truth" is, the guy got 7 years in prison. Nothing you can say will change that. It's flattering you think persuading me will somehow change reality, but, srsly uguise, it won't!

how did you get your nob to affect the security word? item-tiny

roflcopters

Bill-B wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

stmarysmush wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: And whats in place to stop this happening again. That guy should have been given life, drunk, high on drugs, no doubt speeding, no licence, clearly no respect for life other than his own, what complete scum, him and his lifestyle.

Well said. This weston scumbag should be marched up to the top of the Itchen Bridge and made an example of. Let him dangle there by the neck until he dies. Only this will stop these morons floutng the law.

How? We've already had hanging in this country, and yet crime inexplicably still exists

Yes there is, but after a hanging there are no repeat offenders.

Wrong argument again. Or are you saying all offenders should be killed?

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone.

Because, statistically, that's true.

The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

Projecting his hatred of criminals onto those who don't share his extremist views. Wishes violence upon anybody who disagrees with him. Unable to separate the point from the man. Conclusion? Not worth bothering about. Dismissed. Come back when you've learnt how to debate properly. Also, fannies

shhhhhh now my children

hboysoton wrote:

butthurt hockeyd wrote:

How can you say if someone was to drink over the limit, take drugs speed and make very dangerous overtaken manouvours on busy roads, he is unlikely to kill someone.

Because, statistically, that's true.

The only person that will fall flat on his face is you when you get knocked down by one of these idiots!

Projecting his hatred of criminals onto those who don't share his extremist views. Wishes violence upon anybody who disagrees with him. Unable to separate the point from the man. Conclusion? Not worth bothering about. Dismissed. Come back when you've learnt how to debate properly. Also, fannies

shhhhhh now my children

Oh noes! Teh patronising!

The death sentence in all reality was a final solution (yes, in the same way as the nazis) to remove an element that you think would cause you a future problem such as a financial or economic burden.

It has never in all reality been used as a deterrent despite what people say, and its a fact we have to face. Once we are "ok" with this perhaps we can use something like the hypobarrick chamber to remove some of the really nasty elements we have in prison?

The chamber is a non-painful, infact actually an elated death. It works by replacing the oxygen with other non toxic gasses and the brain simply starts to shut down.

As for this case. Murder, 100% in my opinion. He premeditated that he would get in the car whilst drunk. I cannot comment on the sentence.I hope he does the full 7 years, though I doubt he'll stay away from cars.

I'll say what I've said here and elsewhere online. The whole nation has a nasty streak of selfish road use running through it right now. From speeding to red light jumping, driving too close to cyclists (which is a BIG problem in the UK - there are many reasons to keep your distance).. the list a one massive problem we are all failing to tackle.

If we want safe roads we all need to play out part...

sorry for the rant

No point saying "In my opion this was murder" because a) you are not the perpetrator, you cannot state what his intent was b) the justice system has decided otherwise, and that's that

note that recognising this basic common sense fact is not the same thing as defending killers, being a racist violent rapist or any of the other bullshit the hard-of-thinking pour out in these threads all the time

StEmmosButttHurt wrote:
No point saying "In my opion this was murder" because a) you are not the perpetrator, you cannot state what his intent was b) the justice system has decided otherwise, and that's that note that recognising this basic common sense fact is not the same thing as defending killers, being a racist violent rapist or any of the other bullshit the hard-of-thinking pour out in these threads all the time

Are you just here to troll? Seriously?

An act of premeditation has occured, it is therefore murder. What the hell is there to disagree on?

downfader wrote:

StEmmosButttHurt wrote:
No point saying "In my opion this was murder" because a) you are not the perpetrator, you cannot state what his intent was b) the justice system has decided otherwise, and that's that note that recognising this basic common sense fact is not the same thing as defending killers, being a racist violent rapist or any of the other bullshit the hard-of-thinking pour out in these threads all the time

Are you just here to troll? Seriously?

An act of premeditation has occured, it is therefore murder. What the hell is there to disagree on?

That he set out to kill someone. That's what. Not too difficult, really. Thank god you're not a lawyer

For all you hit men out there.... dont waste money purchasing a gun. Just spend £200 on a car, dosent mind if its a heap or not. £7 on special Brew from local store and £10 on hash. And presto. The perfect killing machine where all you can get is man slaughter. Because your out of your mind what was the intent, to chase fairies!!!!