£1m to cope with immigration cost (From This is Hampshire)

Our services are at breaking point now, if the government think a million over two years is going help the situation then they are mistaken.
Enough is enough, I'm sick to death of driving around our city and seeing foreign number plates on new BMWs, Merc's, Audi's and alike, after all these people are supposed to be economical migrants, by definition they are here for a better financial life, well I don't how these supposedly poorer people can afford to drive around in these cars. myself and my partner work forty hours a week (sometimes more) in reasonably well paid jobs, we couldn't afford brand new beamer.
No I'm not jealous, just disgusted at this government for allowing this migrant situation to get so far out of control.
If these migrants are here to work, pay tax, and abide by our laws then fair enough, but many are not here for that reason. Anyone who doubts this should take a look around the cities courts, yes there our home grown criminals but there are also a loads of cases, increasingly more cases concerning foreign nationals/migrants

Saints Mike wrote:
Our services are at breaking point now, if the government think a million over two years is going help the situation then they are mistaken. Enough is enough, I'm sick to death of driving around our city and seeing foreign number plates on new BMWs, Merc's, Audi's and alike, after all these people are supposed to be economical migrants, by definition they are here for a better financial life, well I don't how these supposedly poorer people can afford to drive around in these cars. myself and my partner work forty hours a week (sometimes more) in reasonably well paid jobs, we couldn't afford brand new beamer. No I'm not jealous, just disgusted at this government for allowing this migrant situation to get so far out of control. If these migrants are here to work, pay tax, and abide by our laws then fair enough, but many are not here for that reason. Anyone who doubts this should take a look around the cities courts, yes there our home grown criminals but there are also a loads of cases, increasingly more cases concerning foreign nationals/migrants

In agreement. Labour out!

It's too little too late. We have a situation where many schools are using resources teaching English to newcomer kids when there is no extra funding. How fair is that on the kids of tax payers?

The immigration system will remain a shambles until we get a firm government, a firm Home Office and a firm press which does not moan about immigration numbers but then mount campaigns to defend the "nice" immigrants from deportation for overstaying here.

It was Enoch Powell who once said that "the state will one day come back to haunt us." He might be right, and he saw the perils of the EU many years before everyone else did.

Saints Mike wrote:
Our services are at breaking point now, if the government think a million over two years is going help the situation then they are mistaken. Enough is enough, I'm sick to death of driving around our city and seeing foreign number plates on new BMWs, Merc's, Audi's and alike, after all these people are supposed to be economical migrants, by definition they are here for a better financial life, well I don't how these supposedly poorer people can afford to drive around in these cars. myself and my partner work forty hours a week (sometimes more) in reasonably well paid jobs, we couldn't afford brand new beamer. No I'm not jealous, just disgusted at this government for allowing this migrant situation to get so far out of control. If these migrants are here to work, pay tax, and abide by our laws then fair enough, but many are not here for that reason. Anyone who doubts this should take a look around the cities courts, yes there our home grown criminals but there are also a loads of cases, increasingly more cases concerning foreign nationals/migrants

Good post.

Would be far easier and cheaper, in the long run, to drastically increase the immagration/security at points of entry and refuse entry to those not eligble.
UK has done enough over the years and is about time we stopped being a soft touch and looked after our own.

Am now waiting for some to call me a hypocrit, so before you start, am here on a work contract and pay my way.

Not me HB. It's the hypocrisy, incompetence and the lying from labour ministers that I cannnot stomach. Minister after minister has said a) they are aware of peoples concerns and b) they are taking steps and measures to address the problem. Even if (a) is true (b) certainly isn't. Nothin of any consequence has ever been done. People voted labour for a fairer society. I am not aware of anyone who voted labour in order to join a massive multicultural social engineering experiment, but that's what we are forced to sign up to, at pain of being accused of racism if we complain. It's out of control and like the Sorceror's apprentice Labour haven't got a clue what to do now. That's where the incompetence comes in. Is there anyone reading this who thinks that the likes of Harriet Harman, Ed Balls, Jacqui Smith or the Millibands should be trusted to run this country for another 5 years?

Redback wrote:
If anyone cares to check, you'll find that the immigrant population contributes a higher proportion of taxation per head than the indigenous population. If you're looking for the drain on our resources, try the white areas full of lazy blinged up tossers in their suped-up hatchbacks with no intention of ever working a legit job in their lives. But don't let that stand in the way of your pathetic xenophobia.

What is so wrong in protecting your own?
For many, many years, people from all over Europe, and further afield have been trying to enter this country for economic reasons.
They know that once in, the chances of being deported are so low, and the chances of getting benefits are so high, they come here.
Why,if they are genuine, do they hide in lorries, boats, etc and pay traffickers to enter illegally?
Why, do they make their way across many safe countries to enter the uk?
Asylum should be claimed at the first safe country they enter, but they do not.
Why?
The benefits system is non existent compared to the UK.
Laws are harsher and they are not a soft touch, and other countries just let them pass through and onto the UK.
SHUT THE DOORS NOW.

Redback wrote:
If anyone cares to check, you'll find that the immigrant population contributes a higher proportion of taxation per head than the indigenous population. If you're looking for the drain on our resources, try the white areas full of lazy blinged up tossers in their suped-up hatchbacks with no intention of ever working a legit job in their lives. But don't let that stand in the way of your pathetic xenophobia.

is this from the same group of stats that state

Crime is going down

The green shoots of economic growth are being seen

when the borders open there will only be 13000 coming

etc etc

Goverments tell you what you want to hear

Redback wrote:
If anyone cares to check, you'll find that the immigrant population contributes a higher proportion of taxation per head than the indigenous population. If you're looking for the drain on our resources, try the white areas full of lazy blinged up tossers in their suped-up hatchbacks with no intention of ever working a legit job in their lives.

But don't let that stand in the way of your pathetic xenophobia.

You are a superficial and unintelligent berk redback, who doesn't or can't think hard enough. 1) Your figures no doubt refer to the entire immigrant population, not new immigrants illegals or asylum seekers (and when is a settled immigrant no longer an immigrant according to your data? You don't know, do you? Perhaps you can go and check and get back to us quoting sources. 2) Recent immigrants consume a disproportionate amount of public services at a time when they are already stretched. 3) You don't attempt to address the concerns voiced in posts here - instead you try the dumb left wing tactic of trying to kill debate with the race card and suppressing debate - the very thing I objected to in my post. Well done, dummy, for proving my point. In my business I work with all nationalities as a matter of course. Xenophobia is a stupid, irrelevant and innaccurate accusation.

I cannot believe that the gerrymandering that is happening in the South of the country has not been picked up by the other political parties (immigrants tend to vote for the labour party)

Long words for such a tiny mind.

Of course the figures don't include 'illegals'. They tend to keep themselves off the radar, as they are... er... illegal. Engage brain before pressing keys next time. Anyway, what's your point? Do you deny the vast strain that the lazy whites put on our resources? Why are the comments sections not filled with references to them instead?
What about the hordes of ex-pats living on the costa el sol and elsewhere, and benefiting from their health systems et cetera? Immigrant labour has and does provide the engine for our prosperity.

Immigrant labour has filled the massive gaps left in the workforce by the white indigenous population that are in general not prepared to do the dirty, heavy, menial work that industries such as agriculture rely upon.

As saintjak implies, the real problem lies in Westminster not Dover. Immigration scare-mongering is pure distraction tactics aimed at diverting the populations energies.

It's a neo-con template that has been used for over a decade, and the great British sheeple are still falling for it.

Hmm so you don't have the figures then. I thought not. You're just a google dummy after all. As you are a bit of a bohunk I'll try not to use so many long words this time to save you trips to the dictionary site. No overloaded infrastructure can absorb immigrants at the rate we have seen in this country. The issue of indiginous slobs of whatever colour (though you've painted them all white for some reason) is immaterial and you are the only one who raised it. regarding the social engineering experiment, integration is something that nobody would object to. This country has a history of it, but building a multi cultural ethnically diverse patchwork global village is failing and it is failing those who stay together in their enclaves as much as it is failing those outside. I'll give you a few minutes to re-read last week's Socialist Worker so you can be told what to say next, but if you just come back with soppy slaps I'll have to put you in your place again.

This is typical of our government. They allow a problem to be created, only to announce measures to deal with the problem by throwing our money at it. At the same time, they tell us to "put up, or shut up", and when we shout about how we feel, people like Redback play the Race card. Britain is over-populated and over-regulated, and immigration has only been allowed to satisfy the capitalist system to employ cheaper labour, thus driving down wages for the rest of us.

You think way to much of yourself little Andy. 'Put me in my place'? Oh dear oh dear... :D

Oh, I'm not a socialist, and would never sully my eyes with the swappies nasty little rag. Must try a bit harder with your baseless potshots fella!

The infrastructure is overloaded because 1) governments local and national have consistently mismanaged development for decades, and 2) our UK population is concentrated massively in the south east. The solutions are 1) competent officials, and 2) incentivisation for people and companies to relocate to the north east etc. "Shutting the doors" would make not a blind bit of difference.

You want some facts? Here you go then: http://www.communiti
es.gov.uk/communitie
s/racecohesionfaith/
communitycohesion/co
mbatingmisinformatio
nabout/factsaboutimm
igration/

To quote:

1) 427,000 workers from eight EU accession states successfully applied for work in the UK from May 2004 - June 2006. This may sound like a lot, but it represents less than one percent of the UK's population.

2) The UK's population is getting older, meaning that more working age people are needed to prop up the world's fourth largest industrial economy. By 2026 pensioners will outnumber children by two million. Also as immigrants are on average younger than UK-born people, they are less likely to need to claim a pension and will contribute to the economy for a longer period.

3) There is a current shortage of highly-skilled people in key sectors such as the NHS, public services and the IT industry which is being met by new migrants.

4) As the UK's population becomes more highly skilled and educated, there will be more and more jobs that people do not want to do because they are viewed as demeaning. All of these factors have come together to create immigration demands.

5) One study by the University of Swansea predicts that we need to increase immigration by a fifth to prevent a population decline caused by a shrinking birth rate and subsequent economic crisis.

6) The belief that Britain has a particularly high rate of immigration is false. About 5 per cent of the UK population was born abroad. In Germany, the figure is 12.5 per cent; in France, 10 per cent; and in the Netherlands, 10.1 per cent.

Some of those are points that I've made, but which you've utterly ignored.

You do realise that the UK National Shortage Occupation List is in operation don't you? We NEED immigration: http://www.workpermi
t.com/uk/uk-immigrat
ion-tier-system/tier
-2-skilled-migrants-
shortage-occupation-
list.htm

The level of prejudice shown in some posts here, suggest that some of you really don’t live in the real world.
The care system in the UK would be on it’s knees if it wasn’t for a fair proportion of migrant workers who see a job as a privilege not a god given right as some people here may think.
Take a drive round Southampton at 5.30 in the morning, and see who it is waiting to get minibuses off to their work. And then watch them come home at 6pm that evening.
I’d love to see some of the “indigenous” population who bleat on about “taking our jobs” get up at that time, do a full days work and then you can complain to me about what they spend their money on.
If you’ve grown up in abject poverty under a communist regime, wouldn’t you want to enjoy the fruits of your labour? So what they drive new cars, they earn the money if that’s what they want to show for it then good on ‘em.
And you honestly don’t believe they don’t contribute over here? Do they not eat, do they not drink, do they not buy new clothes, books etc do they not need services like the rest of us, power, phones? And obviously they’re all living in a tent somewhere, as they haven’ t got mortgages or rents to pay.
Perhaps instead of exhibiting the green eyed monster, some of you could consider what it’s like being somewhere where you’re unfamiliar with. Away from family and friends, and what it’s like to be beaten up in Southampton just because you’re “foreign”. It’s not nice.

It is true that since southampton became polish the service has become much better in many places such as hotels, trains, shops etc and much prettier. Just worried that all the money earned is being sent back east and not being put back into the economy. A lot of locals made a lot of money though out of the immigration mostly on properties getting them done up cheap then renting them to all the extra people etc. Not much complaint. Generally the polish community are nice. There are way more blaggers that rinse the system even before they came and still do. They at least keep the local offies etc in business plus who else would buy you old cavalier off you.

We had a letter through the other day from some community group moaning about HMO's- when I was moving house 2 years ago I went into some places where there were up to 6 to a room- mostly Poles working shifts.

We really are going back to Victorian times.

You are right in what you say Cynthia. Although when I was thick like them i didnt mind doing those jobs 12 hours etc 6-6 in uni holidays. Neither did the permanent people I worked with. Their productivity rate is much better as a 23 year old packing contact lenses is always going to pack more than my mum who was eventually forced to take pittance redundancy. They increased how many had to be done in an hour by 30% couldnt be done by others. Lets say there was an island somewhere where we could go freely and do lets say clean a primary school for 70K a year would you go. Hell yeah. Thats what they are doing let them do it.

Good Post Redback - you should have put that up to start with. The local government website however infers that everyone entering the country arrives to take up a skilled vacancy, which would be nice but it is not the case. The Communities website is hardly going to criticise the Uk Borders Agency or the Home Office for failing to apply the scheme that the Communities website espouses. Let's start again. Immigrants who integrate into society are citizens - they don't need to be labelled or stigmatised forever and don't consume resources they aren't contributing towards. But Immigration is not under control thanks the the Government, and there are numbers of immigrants who arrive illegally and are not tracked or recorded and who then may or may not apply for visas retrospectively. There is also a large quantity of immigrants who do not conform to your ideal vision of managed immigration, and who have no desire or intention of integrating into society even to the extent of learning English. I've no problem with paying for English lessons but paying for translators forever (which is what happens in the NHS to huge cost) is counter productive.

Cynthia wrote:
The level of prejudice shown in some posts here, suggest that some of you really don’t live in the real world.
The care system in the UK would be on it’s knees if it wasn’t for a fair proportion of migrant workers who see a job as a privilege not a god given right as some people here may think.
Take a drive round Southampton at 5.30 in the morning, and see who it is waiting to get minibuses off to their work. And then watch them come home at 6pm that evening.
I’d love to see some of the “indigenous” population who bleat on about “taking our jobs” get up at that time, do a full days work and then you can complain to me about what they spend their money on.
If you’ve grown up in abject poverty under a communist regime, wouldn’t you want to enjoy the fruits of your labour? So what they drive new cars, they earn the money if that’s what they want to show for it then good on ‘em.
And you honestly don’t believe they don’t contribute over here? Do they not eat, do they not drink, do they not buy new clothes, books etc do they not need services like the rest of us, power, phones? And obviously they’re all living in a tent somewhere, as they haven’ t got mortgages or rents to pay.
Perhaps instead of exhibiting the green eyed monster, some of you could consider what it’s like being somewhere where you’re unfamiliar with. Away from family and friends, and what it’s like to be beaten up in Southampton just because you’re “foreign”. It’s not nice.

As someone who is part of the 'indigenous' population of Southampton, I can assure you that myself and many hundreds of my colleagues are being picked up & 5.30am in mini buses for the drive to Portsmouth Naval Base to work at the relocated former VT Shipyard & do a full days work.
So please refrain from a generalisation that everyone born in Southampton works within the city boundary 9 to 5.

Another million,that
won't do any good.
What would be good
would be to shove all
these illegals on
planes,fly 'em back to their own countries and dump the bu***rs there.
Then, when rid of
them start taking some notice of the
British people and what they want.
Too many migrants here,we don't want
any more. By the way,
do true British people have human rights or are human rights only for
foreigners.

Labour out!

That money would be better spent on tightening our border patrols at Calais and Cherbourg. At the moment, UK border police only check about 30-45% of freight lorries entering the UK.

Check every lorry and hand over any would be asylum seekers to the French to deal with.

I've got a couple of foreign chaps who look after my garden for absolute peanuts. They do a really good job for a cash payment and live in a ****-hole in Southampton. There are loads of them if you know where to look.

Ten Labour Government achievements 1997 - ?
1. War in Afghanistan
2. War in Iraq
3. Oversaw Banking Fiasco
4. Facilitated the destruction of final salary pensions for workers in the private sector
5. Education no real improvement despite billions spent.
6. NHS some improvement but again Billions wasted
7. Promised to clean up parliament when elected but oversaw largest abuse of MP's allowances
8. Increased the number of unelected quangos that control large areas of the country
9. Devolved power to Scotland & Wales at the cost of the English taxpayer to fund free prescriptions & eye tests that are not available to the English population.
10. Facilitated the removal of green areas within city limits to promote massive building programme to house migrant workers then encourage the creation of eco towns in rural areas citing green areas as a reason for their creation.
What a wonderful legacy of their time in power.

rumour1976 wrote:
Ten Labour Government achievements 1997 - ?
1. War in Afghanistan
2. War in Iraq
3. Oversaw Banking Fiasco
4. Facilitated the destruction of final salary pensions for workers in the private sector
5. Education no real improvement despite billions spent.
6. NHS some improvement but again Billions wasted
7. Promised to clean up parliament when elected but oversaw largest abuse of MP's allowances
8. Increased the number of unelected quangos that control large areas of the country
9. Devolved power to Scotland & Wales at the cost of the English taxpayer to fund free prescriptions & eye tests that are not available to the English population.
10. Facilitated the removal of green areas within city limits to promote massive building programme to house migrant workers then encourage the creation of eco towns in rural areas citing green areas as a reason for their creation.
What a wonderful legacy of their time in power.

reminds of the last tory government and it seems likes this thread has turned another mindless bnp forum .

thesaint wrote:

rumour1976 wrote: Ten Labour Government achievements 1997 - ? 1. War in Afghanistan 2. War in Iraq 3. Oversaw Banking Fiasco 4. Facilitated the destruction of final salary pensions for workers in the private sector 5. Education no real improvement despite billions spent. 6. NHS some improvement but again Billions wasted 7. Promised to clean up parliament when elected but oversaw largest abuse of MP's allowances 8. Increased the number of unelected quangos that control large areas of the country 9. Devolved power to Scotland & Wales at the cost of the English taxpayer to fund free prescriptions & eye tests that are not available to the English population. 10. Facilitated the removal of green areas within city limits to promote massive building programme to house migrant workers then encourage the creation of eco towns in rural areas citing green areas as a reason for their creation. What a wonderful legacy of their time in power.

reminds of the last tory government and it seems likes this thread has turned another mindless bnp forum .

you forgot;

1. revoking the 10p tax band
2. forcing house prices up by deregulating the banks
3. reducing the value of pensions by taking away tax relief
4. introducing student tuition fees (except in Scotland)
5. doubled the price of petrol via taxes
6. destroyed schools by forcing them to take unruly pupils after closing down behavioural units
7. doubled the cost of council tax
8. made tax credit system so complicated most people end up owing them money
9. reduced local direct grant but increased it up north AND
10. promised to invest in green industries yet Vestas in Woolston is closing down.

yeah, Labour are grate, nothing to do with the BNP- it's not racist to critique a government that have done very little for working people.

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

Redback wrote:
If anyone cares to check, you'll find that the immigrant population contributes a higher proportion of taxation per head than the indigenous population. If you're looking for the drain on our resources, try the white areas full of lazy blinged up tossers in their suped-up hatchbacks with no intention of ever working a legit job in their lives.

But don't let that stand in the way of your pathetic xenophobia.

You are a superficial and unintelligent berk redback, who doesn't or can't think hard enough. 1) Your figures no doubt refer to the entire immigrant population, not new immigrants illegals or asylum seekers (and when is a settled immigrant no longer an immigrant according to your data? You don't know, do you? Perhaps you can go and check and get back to us quoting sources. 2) Recent immigrants consume a disproportionate amount of public services at a time when they are already stretched. 3) You don't attempt to address the concerns voiced in posts here - instead you try the dumb left wing tactic of trying to kill debate with the race card and suppressing debate - the very thing I objected to in my post. Well done, dummy, for proving my point. In my business I work with all nationalities as a matter of course. Xenophobia is a stupid, irrelevant and innaccurate accusation.

Ha! Go easy on him. He spent all day learning 'indigenous' then went on to talk about 'suped-up' cars?

thesaint wrote:

rumour1976 wrote:
Ten Labour Government achievements 1997 - ?
1. War in Afghanistan
2. War in Iraq
3. Oversaw Banking Fiasco
4. Facilitated the destruction of final salary pensions for workers in the private sector
5. Education no real improvement despite billions spent.
6. NHS some improvement but again Billions wasted
7. Promised to clean up parliament when elected but oversaw largest abuse of MP's allowances
8. Increased the number of unelected quangos that control large areas of the country
9. Devolved power to Scotland & Wales at the cost of the English taxpayer to fund free prescriptions & eye tests that are not available to the English population.
10. Facilitated the removal of green areas within city limits to promote massive building programme to house migrant workers then encourage the creation of eco towns in rural areas citing green areas as a reason for their creation.
What a wonderful legacy of their time in power.

reminds of the last tory government and it seems likes this thread has turned another mindless bnp forum .

As expected, whenever anyone lists the failure of the labour government they are smeared with a BNP or worse tag.
I am a life long labour supporter who has been dismayed at the wasted years of their administration.

It's not right wing or being BNP to want
fair deals in your own country over
foreigners,this labour Government has
always put foreigners
interests over the
British peoples interests and always
will,there are just too many migrants here already and too many more being allowed in.
Maybe that's the way ahead,you class us all as BNP, maybe we
should all start voting BNP,at least
reading their policies they seem to be listening to us,by us, I mean the
British people,you know,the people that the Labour Government
never listen to.
If that's what you want maybe that's what you'll get,in
future vote BNP.
Be listened to.

McSholing wrote:

Andy Locks Heath wrote:

Redback wrote: If anyone cares to check, you'll find that the immigrant population contributes a higher proportion of taxation per head than the indigenous population. If you're looking for the drain on our resources, try the white areas full of lazy blinged up tossers in their suped-up hatchbacks with no intention of ever working a legit job in their lives. But don't let that stand in the way of your pathetic xenophobia.

You are a superficial and unintelligent berk redback, who doesn't or can't think hard enough. 1) Your figures no doubt refer to the entire immigrant population, not new immigrants illegals or asylum seekers (and when is a settled immigrant no longer an immigrant according to your data? You don't know, do you? Perhaps you can go and check and get back to us quoting sources. 2) Recent immigrants consume a disproportionate amount of public services at a time when they are already stretched. 3) You don't attempt to address the concerns voiced in posts here - instead you try the dumb left wing tactic of trying to kill debate with the race card and suppressing debate - the very thing I objected to in my post. Well done, dummy, for proving my point. In my business I work with all nationalities as a matter of course. Xenophobia is a stupid, irrelevant and innaccurate accusation.

Ha! Go easy on him. He spent all day learning 'indigenous' then went on to talk about 'suped-up' cars?

What's your point caller?

That it should be spelled "souped-up"?

Well yes, but the etymology's not exactly obvious unless you go looking is it:

"Soup, any material injected into a horse with a view to changing its speed or temperament"

Well, you learn something every day!

I'm sorry 'indigenous' is on your 'difficult word' list. Do persevere; it'll pay dividends to your vocabulary when you're a bigger boy.