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Vestas protesters target Southampton Boat Show
5:10pm Tuesday 15th September 2009
PROTESTERS unhappy at the treatment of Vestas staff on the Isle of Wight have chained themselves to a crane in Southampton.
Members of Workers Climate Action are protesting in Empress Dock, as part of a campaign for Vestas workers who have recently been made redundant.
They have hung a banner declaring "Wind power to the people" from the cranes loading blades onto the BBC Ohio.
On the crane at Empress Dock, protester Jackie Sheedy said, “ After the factory occupation ended, Vestas and the government hoped we'd all just quieten down. But we're united in this blockade.
"The island workers need those jobs, and we all need them if we want even a chance of combating climate change for our children.”
Reports suggest the protesters arrived by powerboat this morning, using the boat show as cover.
Others have boarded the Blade Runner barge, which is used to transport turbine blades between the Isle of Wight and Southampton.
They have unfolded a banner, saying "Our Blades, Our Power".
One of the protesters, Jamie Rigby, who was sacked from his job at Vestas, told the Daily Echo: "The plan is to bring the crane to a halt and cause as much disruption as possible and stop the blades being shipped to America.
"It's a continuation of the protests that took place on the Isle of Wight, and we will carry on as long as we can."
Last month protesters were removed from two protests on the Isle of Wight over the loss of more than 600 jobs.
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southy, redbridge says...
2:39pm Tue 15 Sep 09
dont you mean that they ended there protest, on there accord. after the final court verdict.
there will also be a protest march this thursday in southampton any one is well come to join in, starting at hazel road at 6pm and marching to a rally at the dockers social club at 7pm.
Brite Spark, Stubbington says...
2:53pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Nick Chaffey, Southampton says...
3:28pm Tue 15 Sep 09
matthewsad, bournemouth says...
4:00pm Tue 15 Sep 09
clausentum, says...
4:02pm Tue 15 Sep 09
These protesters are far*ing in the wind with their silly, futile behaviour.
southy, redbridge says...
4:11pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Remember it can be any one of you that is still working, That could lose your job in the next round, May not happen in this recession, But will it in the next recession or depression.
Ocean Village resident, Soton says...
5:06pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy, redbridge says...
5:20pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Ocean Village resident wrote:i think they said the same thing about what happen at lindsey, linamar, visteon but the action carried on after wards and ended up with a good result for the work force.
These idiots are just becoming irritating now. Guys, the game's over, go home.
Ocean Village resident, Soton says...
5:29pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy wrote:I'm willing to take take a bet this sort of action gets them nothing but resentment...
Ocean Village resident wrote: These idiots are just becoming irritating now. Guys, the game's over, go home.i think they said the same thing about what happen at lindsey, linamar, visteon but the action carried on after wards and ended up with a good result for the work force.
clausentum, says...
5:36pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Ocean Village resident wrote:They cannot hear you because they are fighting the last centuries battles. They also are blind because they cannot see that the World's center of gravity has shifted from the "West" ( Europe, USA and Canada and perhaps Australia too ) to China, the Pacific Rim and India. That is where economic power now resides in this Global Economy and, in time, that is where political power will reside. The Luddites and King Canute's of the Industrial Socialist Past had their day. Their's is not the future. Redesigned Capitalism Mark 2 is the future . It needs to be embraced, not feared.
These idiots are just becoming irritating now. Guys, the game's over, go home.
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
5:49pm Tue 15 Sep 09
clausentum wrote:"We demand to be treated like British Leyland/British Steel/British Telecom/ British Shipbuilders/The miners/ the NUJ/ the dinosaurs"......all extinct after failing to see that the world was changing but refusing to change with it. The overpaid numb skulls meeting in Liverpool are asking for more unionised people to step forward to be sacrificed in the name of solidarity that stretches from ear to ear.
Ocean Village resident wrote:They cannot hear you because they are fighting the last centuries battles. They also are blind because they cannot see that the World's center of gravity has shifted from the "West" ( Europe, USA and Canada and perhaps Australia too ) to China, the Pacific Rim and India. That is where economic power now resides in this Global Economy and, in time, that is where political power will reside. The Luddites and King Canute's of the Industrial Socialist Past had their day. Their's is not the future. Redesigned Capitalism Mark 2 is the future . It needs to be embraced, not feared.
These idiots are just becoming irritating now. Guys, the game's over, go home.
southy, redbridge says...
6:19pm Tue 15 Sep 09
clausentum, says...
6:33pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy wrote:Oil? Who mentioned oil? Oil, is rapidly becoming part of the past. Lithium is the future. Once the technology kicks in, then lithium will power all vehicles. Half the World's lithium resources are sitting below a 12,000 foot desert plateau in Bolivia. Watch out for Bolivia flexing it's economic muscles.
what you 2 dont relise that the change that was made in the 80's your capitalist 2 program has failed, the world is changing slowly to a socialist world, we can make the slow change with the rest of the world or get left behind, just look whats happening burma, your capitalist 2 system is clinging onto with dear life, and dont want the people of this country to vote, because it will mean another oil producing country would turn it back on capitalism and turn to socialism oh right its one of your china, the pacific rim and india countrys. will the usa declare that has an axis country of evil to, and the uk fall in line with the usa, when the socialist take over power by the ballot box burma. take a real look what is going on a round you, your new world order of the capitalist is not going to happen. its a dead duck in the water. all ready.
Your delusions are quaint if not sad.
clausentum, says...
6:34pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy wrote:Oil? Who mentioned oil? Oil, is rapidly becoming part of the past. Lithium is the future. Once the technology kicks in, then lithium will power all vehicles. Half the World's lithium resources are sitting below a 12,000 foot desert plateau in Bolivia. Watch out for Bolivia flexing it's economic muscles.
what you 2 dont relise that the change that was made in the 80's your capitalist 2 program has failed, the world is changing slowly to a socialist world, we can make the slow change with the rest of the world or get left behind, just look whats happening burma, your capitalist 2 system is clinging onto with dear life, and dont want the people of this country to vote, because it will mean another oil producing country would turn it back on capitalism and turn to socialism oh right its one of your china, the pacific rim and india countrys. will the usa declare that has an axis country of evil to, and the uk fall in line with the usa, when the socialist take over power by the ballot box burma. take a real look what is going on a round you, your new world order of the capitalist is not going to happen. its a dead duck in the water. all ready.
Your delusions are quaint if not sad.
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
6:52pm Tue 15 Sep 09
The result of a lifetime trying.
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
7:06pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy, redbridge says...
7:35pm Tue 15 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:they are a mix freemantle of people ex employees to.
I think if you read the article correctly these protesters are NOT ex-workers of Vesta's - they're environmental protesters (who protested alongside the Vesta's workers). It's just a publicity stunt to raise their profile, and it seems to have worked as it has everyone's attention!
D.a.v.e, Bitterne says...
7:48pm Tue 15 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
7:49pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
8:08pm Tue 15 Sep 09
But there are some technical points that are missing from the media reports about the Vestas issue. Plus there is definitely a leftwing anti-capitalist contingent to the Vestas protestors. John Molyneux has given his vocal support for the 'workers'.
Some points:
1. To me it is clear that Vestas have lost market share in the UK (the market isn't their problem, their place in it is!). I don't believe their PR campaign that is just a face saving exercise. The fact is Siemens, Enercon, Repower etc. have been installing more turbines than Vestas (Siemens has installed the largest UK onshore wind farm recently).
2. Because of the tough UK market that Vestas is struggling with, Vestas is moving its operation to the US. I suggest some environmentalists take stock of this fact, because a wind turbine in the US will actually cut more carbon emissions than in the UK. This is because the US uses more coal than the UK.
3. At one stage I believe Vestas had a gearbox problem with their 3MW turbine.
4. A wind turbine made in the EU, will only have a slightly higher carbon footprint than one made in the UK, assuming it was destined for a UK onshore wind farm. Since turbines have a tiny carbon footprint, a little more wouldn't make much difference.
There is no doubt that more investment is needed. But for many environmentalists, these protests are becoming an embarrassment.
Why would an environmentalist harass a wind turbine company??
The answer is because the issue is one of jobs, not climate change.
eg. leftwing activists are stirring up problems.
It is interesting to note that FOE, Greenpeace and Stop Climate Chaos are keeping relatively quiet.
Linesman, Fareham says...
8:12pm Tue 15 Sep 09
It was the Isle of Wight planning department that turned down the plans for a wind farm on the island.
If those elected to represent them cannot support them, turf them out at the first opportunity and get some in that will!
It was claimed that the proposed site was in an area of 'outstanding natural beauty'!
I bet there were no council houses in the area, but quite a few with financial clout!
southy, redbridge says...
8:16pm Tue 15 Sep 09
freemantlegirl2 wrote:lol wonderful kids are freemanlegirl make the most of it they soon grow up and start going there own way in life.
I stand corrected, apologies... being interrupted by my wonderful children every five minutes and didn't get down to the bit where it said about the ex-vesta's employee......
D.a.v.e, Bitterne says...
7:48pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Southy, is it not the turbine itself that is "a dead duck" as you put it?
i was refering to the capitalism ideals, it system, meaning it is dieing under there feet, and they are clining on to power by there finger nails has to the "dead duck" they are blind to what is happening in other countrys, people have tired the capitalism way of life and are all ready turning there backs on it. many of the old communist russia block that turned to a capitalist system, are all ready starting to turn to a socialist way of thinking, they have try it and found out that they are worse off, so they making the change to socialism, we can change with it or get left behind.
Rob444, Southampton says...
8:18pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy, redbridge says...
8:29pm Tue 15 Sep 09
they have been very active, just that echo and meadia in general have not been publishing what they been up to, one of the things that green peaces wants is that every country to produce there own wind turbines, and not to rely on other countrys to do there job for them.
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
9:08pm Tue 15 Sep 09
But none of the mainstream environmental organisations are officially supporting these Vestas shenanigans.
Vestas will very likely come back to the UK. The Vestas protesters should be targeting oil companies, EDF etc.
In fact there was a good opportunity of embarrassing EDF in a big way earlier this year. But not much was done.
Another point is that the UK missed the boat as far as wind turbine manufacture is concerned. Hopefully maybe Clipper will eventually get the Britannia project going.
But the UK has a lot of marine energy companies working on projects. We need to exploit that to the max, that will create jobs.
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
9:15pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Many councils are resisting turbine installations, partly for political reasons (some councillors don't believe in climate change due to political ideology reasons), partly because of votes etc.
There are retired nuclear scientists, ex coal employees, architects etc. all helping the anti-wind campaign.
Nothing to say, Soton says...
9:33pm Tue 15 Sep 09
Condor Man, Southampton says...
9:53pm Tue 15 Sep 09
southy, redbridge says...
10:13pm Tue 15 Sep 09
when you say marine energy whitch do you mean wave energy or tides energy. because the tide energy they missed out i little fact, and have to go back to the drawing boards, and that fact is that the moon is moving away from the earth and each year and that tide range is 1mm less than the year before, it may not sound a lot but over a time period it is. and waves power will depend on if theres a wave or swell has very one knows or should know, the sea at times can be like a sheet of glass like it is in the doldrums
Nothing to say, Soton says...
7:57am Wed 16 Sep 09
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
11:36am Wed 16 Sep 09
I have a lot of respect for many environmentalists who are pragmatic and understand science. But some often do more damage than they do good.
Waves are largely a result of wind.
If you are criticising marine wave energy because the sea is often 'flat', you are shooting yourself in your own feet, because no waves, means no work for Vestas.
I suggest sticking to what you know or spend some time doing some research.
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
11:42am Wed 16 Sep 09
Marine Current Turbines
Open Hydro
Swan Turbines
Lunar Energy
Tidal Energy Ltd
Pulse Generation
Green Ocean Energy
WaveGen - Voith Hydro
BulgeWave
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
1:35pm Wed 16 Sep 09
And here is some good news about that. The worlds biggest turbine blades to be made in the UK (see link below). I'm guessing the Vestas protesters will be making some wild claims about their involvement bringing about this deal:
http://www.newenergy
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listcatid=32&listite
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southy, redbridge says...
2:25pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Engineer wrote:engineer its a fact the moon is moving away from the earth, it moving away at a rate of 1cm a year, this effects our tidal range by 1mm a year, it also effects our weather in a small way. in the end the moon will far enough away to stop effecting the the tidal range. when this will be is still being work out. its like the total eclipse, 2000 years ago when you was in a centre of a total eclipse, it was that dark that you needed torches to see where you going, they know this because of the romans recorded it the fact it was so dark, now days a total eclipse produces a dusk type light., and nasa has confirmed that the moon is moving away, it was nasa that publish the rate the moon is moving away.
Southy, exactly which planet are you on?
I have a lot of respect for many environmentalists who are pragmatic and understand science. But some often do more damage than they do good.
Waves are largely a result of wind.
If you are criticising marine wave energy because the sea is often 'flat', you are shooting yourself in your own feet, because no waves, means no work for Vestas.
I suggest sticking to what you know or spend some time doing some research.
and i did not say the sea is often flat, i said it can be flat, and if you look at the times when this do happen, the sea flat has a pancake, its more often it happens in the winter and not the summer, so its more likely to happen when you need the power the most.
Nothing to say, Soton yes i belive global warming, but what i dont belive is that it is man made, global warming is natural, the earth natural history has shown it has warmed up a number of times and all ways just before a big cooling down, at the end of the roman period there was a warming up, that ended up in what they call a mini ice age, before every ice age there was a warming up period. the earth takes longer to warm up than it do to cool down, you can be in the depth of an ice age in 2 years, where has warming will take 100's of years, 1000's years if you only count the full ice age
Engineer, Portsmouth says...
2:43pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Southy is another amateur climate scientist.
Most of the rubbish you people obsessively publish has been refutted goodness knows how many times.
Repeating it on local newspaper sites doesn't make it true.
B. L., Springfield says...
7:32pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Missed that one, when did we go back to the union bully boy threats and tactics of the 70s.
I'm sure there is an expert out there (not me by the way) that could interpret the "stop the blades being shipped to America" as breaking some maritime law, interfering with commerce ?
I know I am going to be corrected on this !!
southy, redbridge says...
9:08pm Wed 16 Sep 09
Engineer wrote:no it has not engineer, it is known facts, go and chat with some stargazer, ask them to check it up, and you will find they will agree, the moon is moving away. and the moon has the biggest influence on our tides, full moon and new moons gives us spring tides, and half moons gives us neap tides, and when the moon moves to far away it will have no influence on the tides, it will be just the sun, your have low water at midnight, and high water midday, with a tidal range of less than a foot, it will be moving so slow it will not generate any power, check it out with the tidal recordings in the last 50 years, this along has confirmed with nasa, that the moon is moving away, because of the tidel range is shallowing. and you living in portmouth should know this, if it is raining on the coast when is it most likely to stop raining, when the tide has turned, it also works the other way round, it will more than likey to start to rain on the turn of the tide, unless the rain is in for the day, but the turn of the tide normally will tell you what the next 6 hours will be like. another thing that happens on the turn of a tide, you will notice it a lot more on the days when the air is still, there a gentle breeze, or the wind picks up just that very tiny bit more, on the turn of a tide, this due to the air pressure changing by 0.05 mil bars, cause though the turn of the tide, so now you see how the moon can effect our weather just by a tiny amount.
Oh geez.
Southy is another amateur climate scientist.
Most of the rubbish you people obsessively publish has been refutted goodness knows how many times.
Repeating it on local newspaper sites doesn't make it true.
i might be an amateur climate person but i had first hand dealing with the people who studie all of this sort of things, and the ones tell the truth about it all, are being rubbished and told that they must be in the oil companys pockets when your so call environmentalists know is not true, and just because i dont belive, that global warming is man made, dont mean i dont belive in some of the green policy, it dont hurt to live in a greener environment
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soton1980, Southampton/Winchester/Fareham says...
2:37pm Tue 15 Sep 09