Are Rose Bowl plans stumped? (From This is Hampshire)

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see another major development given the elbow. It doesn't matter what you try to do around here, someone will kill it off. The Millennium Dome reference is just a crock, has no relevance whatsoever. The other hoteliers interference is just dog in the manger.

What the hoteliers are doing is attempting to protect their interests - a bit like Southampton wanting to stop Liverpool getting involved with cruise liners!

WHATS WRONG WITH A DOSE OF FREE MARKET COMPETITION?LETS HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MATCH WHAT IS A STATE OF THE ART CRICKET VENUE,FOR WHICH WE CONGRATULATE ROB BRANSGROVE AND HIS COMMITEE,JUST LIKE WE ALL CONGRATULATED RUPERT LOWE AND HIS BOARD FOR ST. MARYS.

I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

pugwash wrote:
WHATS WRONG WITH A DOSE OF FREE MARKET COMPETITION?LETS HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MATCH WHAT IS A STATE OF THE ART CRICKET VENUE,FOR WHICH WE CONGRATULATE ROB BRANSGROVE AND HIS COMMITEE,JUST LIKE WE ALL CONGRATULATED RUPERT LOWE AND HIS BOARD FOR ST. MARYS.

I think the point made by the 'other hoteliers' is that this isn't free market competition because of the financial aid that the Rose Bowl will be getting from the Council. Think about it, if you had worked hard and invested a lot of money in your own business only to find that someone else was being given state aid to build their own business up in competition with you then I am sure you would see that aid as unfair and distorting the market. It would give the Rose Bowl an unfair competitive advantage over your business. Having said that, if the council is giving aid to sport (i.e. to develop/own the Rose Bowl itself) then that is great. Aid to build hotels? That's another thing altogether.

clausentum wrote:
I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

I am no cricket fan, but I am no fan of baseball either. I went to a 20/20 game at the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago very much with an open mind and prepared to be entertained. The match was very nearly rained off. They did manage to put some cricket on but somehow they made it seem as if they were doing the spectators a favour by doing so. I remember the Hampshire players coming out looking less than enthusiastic and then seemingly going through the motions. Their efforts appeared lacklustre compared to the otherside (Surrey I think) and hardly surprisingly they lost. 20/20 seems promising as a spectacle but not with an attitude like this where they seem to forget that it is an entertainment busisness as much as sport. That is what the Yanks get right with their sport, baseball too.

As an Eastleigh council tax payer and a Hedge End resident I am very much against money collected from me by way of council tax should be "invested" in this development scheme. We have not been invited to partake in any discussions on this, the local Lib Dem mafia have done this on our behalf. There has been no mention of what will happen when it all goes t**s up and who (if anyone) will be held responsible for the loss of council tax payers money--I am sure that Cllr House et al will not give up any of their tax payers derived wages. If Rose Bowl want to expand, let them do it within the normal business and financial processes.

clausentum wrote:
I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

So you like 'Big-Boys Rounders'!

If it is so great, I wonder why it has not caught on in England!

A bit like American Football. It is OK in it's home country, but does not travel!

I guess that is why more countries play International cricket than International baseball and more international football than international American football!

The Yanks like to play games where they can be assured of winning!

The money would be better spent improving the road/transport access, but like the Stoneham fiasco, the Stadium needs some kind of financial back up, if we want World Class facilities, they have to be paid for somehow. Another review will only waste more money, whatever the outcome. The Councillors should make the decisions, if the electorate do not like what they decide, vote them out at the next election.

Baseball, isn't that Rounders in fancy uniforms?

I am the most uncompetitive onlooker one could have at a cricket game - I'm a countryman born and bred. However, I can never understand why, when one considers, there WAS the most precious piece of land in Northlands Road, which incidentally, attracted excellent players, should suddenly up sticks and move out of the City - MONEY. They sold off the land and there is a dense belt of housing. The Hoteliers are, no doubt, anxious, probably with their last penny invested in their business, along comes a money grabbing consortium and are hungerily eyeing up the money making concern - The Rose Bowl - woulden't you be worried when the Big Guys move in with State funding - I call that greedy making gits.

goard

Linesman wrote:

clausentum wrote:
I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

So you like 'Big-Boys Rounders'!

If it is so great, I wonder why it has not caught on in England!

A bit like American Football. It is OK in it's home country, but does not travel!

I guess that is why more countries play International cricket than International baseball and more international football than international American football!

The Yanks like to play games where they can be assured of winning!

Hey Little Boy, Little Englander, go shout your xenophobic ranting from the roof of the Rose Bowl while a tedious, boring, cricket match is not taking place below becuase it is p*ss*ing rain and there's nothing else to do in Southampton.

clausentum wrote:

Linesman wrote:

clausentum wrote:
I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

So you like 'Big-Boys Rounders'!

If it is so great, I wonder why it has not caught on in England!

A bit like American Football. It is OK in it's home country, but does not travel!

I guess that is why more countries play International cricket than International baseball and more international football than international American football!

The Yanks like to play games where they can be assured of winning!

Hey Little Boy, Little Englander, go shout your xenophobic ranting from the roof of the Rose Bowl while a tedious, boring, cricket match is not taking place below becuase it is p*ss*ing rain and there's nothing else to do in Southampton.

Hardly xenophobic, you have purposely made a provocative comment. Baseball is just rounders, which isn't quite as intersting as cricket. Although cricket is by no means the most exciting sport in the world, it does have more dimensions than baseball, and enjoys huge success worldwide (ie Australia, India). You seem to be attracted to baseball because there are lots of breaks, and a fireworks display? All the usual tack of Capitalist Americanism.

garlic wrote:

clausentum wrote:

Linesman wrote:

clausentum wrote:
I'd rather watch baseball than cricket any day. Baseball is skillful. Baseball is not for wimpy cricket-types. Nope, baseball players have "balls". Baseball has razamataz, lots of useful breaks between the action and baseball fans get a free fireworks display and all sorts of good stuff built into the price of the ticket. Cricket? Pah! Boring. Stumps me why anybody would want to play cricket let alone sit and watch it for boring hour after boring hour.

So you like 'Big-Boys Rounders'!

If it is so great, I wonder why it has not caught on in England!

A bit like American Football. It is OK in it's home country, but does not travel!

I guess that is why more countries play International cricket than International baseball and more international football than international American football!

The Yanks like to play games where they can be assured of winning!

Hey Little Boy, Little Englander, go shout your xenophobic ranting from the roof of the Rose Bowl while a tedious, boring, cricket match is not taking place below becuase it is p*ss*ing rain and there's nothing else to do in Southampton.

Hardly xenophobic, you have purposely made a provocative comment. Baseball is just rounders, which isn't quite as intersting as cricket. Although cricket is by no means the most exciting sport in the world, it does have more dimensions than baseball, and enjoys huge success worldwide (ie Australia, India). You seem to be attracted to baseball because there are lots of breaks, and a fireworks display? All the usual tack of Capitalist Americanism.

Tiddleywinks is more skillful, more fun, than boring, boring cricket. Is that "provocative" enough for you, Mr-Analyse-This?

Amazing how many people think that this funding will affect their council tax - rubbish! The council tax levels are not impacted by capital spending , council tax funds normal day to day frontline services.

As for rival hoteliers - what fools! This development will mean regular test cricket and with 20,000+ attending for 5 days that meams loads of people looking for hotels, B&Bs etc.

Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:
Amazing how many people think that this funding will affect their council tax - rubbish! The council tax levels are not impacted by capital spending , council tax funds normal day to day frontline services. As for rival hoteliers - what fools! This development will mean regular test cricket and with 20,000+ attending for 5 days that meams loads of people looking for hotels, B&Bs etc.

Couldn't agree more. not enough B & B in the area or hotels unless you go into Southampton or Eastleigh

Come on guys, its not about whether or not you like cricket, its about funding for this project, is it unfair competition?

you people need to look at the bigger picture.it is not about whether you like cricket or not,it is the opportunity to have a first class sporting arena on our doorstep, which in turn is great news for money coming into our local community for years to come.plus the fact i can watch test cricket just up the road.

Will it be an investment or a subsidy?

Let's be clear - this isn't taxpayers' money it's taxpayers' DEBT; the money is being borrowed at a time when we're being told that borrowing and debt have got us into the economic mess we now face! Perhaps the Council will be gambling on a Borough national lottery ticket next!