Dog attack leaves horse with severe injuries (From This is Hampshire)

Police are now looking for the owner last seen wearing a Burberry cap and large quantity of fake gold!

It appalls me how the quality of dog ownership has dropped in recent years. That area is designated grazing land, the dog shouldn't have been there in the first place. It, and the owner, should be humanly destroyed

The preferred dog of the brainless thug and within a short walk of the nearest council estate.

Typical ignorant dog owner, probably lets his dog foul play areas as well. This type infest the New Forest and leave untold filth for the majority to bring home on there boots. The responsible minority clean up after their dog/s. The arrogant majority do not. I hope the horse survives this attack and they catch and prosecute the dog owner.

Their, not there

disgraceful the owner picked his dog up and ran off this was seen, not to be seen again where was the dogs mussle if this was a child it would of caused death im sure now this dog has tasted blood it will happen again it needs to be put down i am a dog owner (responsible) but this needs to be setting a example to other dangerous dog owners.

Is this what the daily echo has become... Horses and Students!?

This is not a case of irrisponsible dog owners - its a case of youth as dangerous as the dog they own - its a sport - how simple to train a dog to attack, the dog hungry for meat, a dog that is beaten up if it does not do as its told - its a matter of basic feral human beings - a deadly mixture of dangerous beings that have no place in society - BUT how to eradicate them without seemingly killing them - not the dogs, these dangerous human beings.

goard

StEmmosfire wrote:
Is this what the daily echo has become... Horses and Students!?

You're all heart.

I hope the owner gets caught and prosecuted.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:
The preferred dog of the brainless thug and within a short walk of the nearest council estate.

I live on that so called council estate and like my neighbours I own my own house. This does not make me a brainless thug, but living where you do appears to have turned you into a snobbish dinosaur.
This dog should be put down and the owner banned from ever owning another dog. The dogs behaviour is down to the owner, not where the owner lives.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:
The preferred dog of the brainless thug and within a short walk of the nearest council estate.

You want to watch what you say about staff owners Derek. Yes, I own three staffs and, yes, I live on a council estate. Why does that make me a brainless thug? My dogs are exceptionally well trained, by myself, and I pay my way through life decently so I'm a little perturbed as to why you would tar us staffordshire bull terrier owners with the same brush. You cannot simply state that if you have staffs and live on a council estate that you are brainless. Seems to me you haven't thoroughly researched what you are saying so, sir, I would suggest it is YOU who is brainless and, by the amount of spite inferred in your original message, it would seem you are a tad thuggish too.
I agree there are a minority of staff owners who wear their dogs as a badge. This type of owner needs some sort of licensing, age restriction and parameters set where they can and cannot walk their dogs and at what times. Personally, I would welcome the return of the dog license and some kind of 'appropriateness' test conducted on 'want-to-be' owners. Ths way, things such as 'Breed Specific Legislation' can be done away with and good natured, 'normal' people can have these dogs without fear of chastisement from idiots from Dibden Purlieu who just jump on the BAN STAFFS AND PITBULLS bandwagon because they have nothing constructive to say.
In short, Derek, Shut Up until you know what you're talking about.

My heartfelt sadness goes out to Millie's owner. I'm sorry for you and your horse's situation and hope your Christmas isn't tarnished by this horrid event.

I appear to have rattled a few cages but I expected nothing less from the type of person who is proud to own one of these creatures.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:
I appear to have rattled a few cages but I expected nothing less from the type of person who is proud to own one of these creatures.

You are totally pathetic Derek. I feel desperately sorry for you if you continue to go through life on your entirely misguided, uneducated route. I can be just as ridiculous, my friend, by saying that anyone called Derek is a complete no hoper. This is, of course, not true at all but, it can be attributed to some, if you understand what I mean. This is just the same as saying staff owners are bad dog owners. For the record, I am immensely proud of my dogs and am even more proud to say that my dog has won three awards, three years in a row, one of which was Best In Show. One of my **** has also won a couple of awards, one was Reserve Best In Show, and my puppy, my dog's daughter, won an award this year when she was less than one year old. None of them have even remotely snapped at anyone or anything because I view such behaviour, human or dog, as reprehensible. Does any of the above indicate to anyone that I am either brainless or a thug? I would welcome anyone to see my dogs at a prearranged time and venue if they wish to have their opinions and attitudes of these wonderful animals changed.

The asterisks in my last post were supposed to say, B I T C H E S but it would appear the Echo's finely tuned swear box is fully functional!!! =)

Big Ron the Staff....... I rest my case.

bigronthestaff wrote:
The asterisks in my last post were supposed to say, B I T C H E S but it would appear the Echo's finely tuned swear box is fully functional!!! =)

If you feel so strongly about the stereotype why not make a stand against poor quality dog owners on council estates? We're all entitled to an opinion and dogs like these have no place in suburban life. Fine if you live in the sticks but they are not town dogs.

Think people are getting a little bit of the point here, Millie is my friends pony and she is a very lucky to be here today, what shes been though is very traumatic she is only a baby herself and to think this man allowed this to happen to an animal, what if this was a child? This man is a very irrasponsible dog owner, he must have known not to go in that area, must have known what temperament his dog had so should have got the dog on a lead and got out of that field, instead he aloud his dog to commit a brutal attack on an innocent pony. I hope they find the discusting man who couldnt be bothered to help Millie that was bleeding to death and disapeared with his dog, his dog will be destroyed as it should be as whos to say it wont attack something else next, its done it once whats to stop it doing it again and again. He should be made to pay my friends vets bill for Millie as it was his dog that caused her injuries. I agree that not all staffies are nasty its the way they are bought up, its when they get into the hands of people who dont know how to look after a dog. I know of staffies who are very gentle and loving dogs and wouldnt do nothing like this, there is a few though who bring them up like this and they end up causing people pain. Millie will recover from this but she will now be scared of dogs as she will think they will do this again to her. It was lucky a vet came to the rescue very quickly as Millie wouldnt be here today if it wasnt for them. Would like to wish Mille a speedy recovery xxx

Condor Man wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote: The asterisks in my last post were supposed to say, B I T C H E S but it would appear the Echo's finely tuned swear box is fully functional!!! =)

If you feel so strongly about the stereotype why not make a stand against poor quality dog owners on council estates? We're all entitled to an opinion and dogs like these have no place in suburban life. Fine if you live in the sticks but they are not town dogs.

I agree with you on a couple of points you raised here Condor Man. Through no fault of your own, you do not know how much I am trying to make Council chiefs aware of bad owners on my estate. This includes, walking dogs off the lead, not picking up after dogs and generally causing a nuisance, to which I have received an astonishingly diluted response to. It occurs to me that Southampton City Council could not care less what goes on on their estates. I have emailed and phoned them countless times about the amount of dog waste which I see routinely around my neighbourhood. If I have complained to them as many times as I have and it falls on deaf ears, where do I go next? Is there some sort of European Dog Mess directive or governmental legislation I could make aware of this situation? I don't think there is. If anyone knows different then, pleae, get in touch.

Staff owners do get a hard time, a pennance I am prepared to tolerate as I know what a good dog, staff or not, should be like as I am a Dog Trainer. That is, obedient to a fault, balanced and good natured.
To answer your final point Condor Man, I assume you would be in favour of Border Collies, Labradors and the many breed of Spaniel removed from towns as these are patently not town dogs either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as you quite correctly pointed out, but does it mean I am a bad person if I don't agree with them? My dogs are fantastic, both in character and behaviour, and I have made absolutely sure that they are completely aware of what is acceptable and what isn't.

LIZBIZZ, I think you'll find that I am the only person so far to comment on how much I feel for your friend's plight. I am, however, a staffy owner and perhaps such people are overlooked when it comes to saying that we have all missed the point.

Sadly,

These people that own these sort of dogs ie: Staffordshires & similar, are scumbag stereotypes.

I live in the city centre & they are everywhere.

These people have an IQ that is lower than their dogs & they think it gives them kudos.

Don't ban the dogs, ban the owners!

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:
Big Ron the Staff....... I rest my case.

You are what I call a 'Goader'. You have nothing constructive to add to this forum, just petty, narrow minded sniping. You are obviously ill-informed and should stay out of matters which are above your level of consciousness, as you are making yourself appear very foolish. Know what you are commenting about and then feel free to join in again. It doesn't bode well for you that the only thing you can raise an issue with is my username. I suggest you finish off growing up before trying to talk to an adult.

bigronthestaff wrote:

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote: Big Ron the Staff....... I rest my case.

You are what I call a 'Goader'. You have nothing constructive to add to this forum, just petty, narrow minded sniping. You are obviously ill-informed and should stay out of matters which are above your level of consciousness, as you are making yourself appear very foolish. Know what you are commenting about and then feel free to join in again. It doesn't bode well for you that the only thing you can raise an issue with is my username. I suggest you finish off growing up before trying to talk to an adult.

I think you are right to say this and would support your stand against some of the mindless gibberish that passes as opinion on these threads.

You are obviously pretty well informed on this breed and I for one took on board what you were saying.

if your on a council estate or not a dog of any type should be on a lead and muzzled if the owner is unsure of the dog and its reactions around any animals or children millie and other pony that was there hope you get better soon.

Donald2000 wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote: Big Ron the Staff....... I rest my case.

You are what I call a 'Goader'. You have nothing constructive to add to this forum, just petty, narrow minded sniping. You are obviously ill-informed and should stay out of matters which are above your level of consciousness, as you are making yourself appear very foolish. Know what you are commenting about and then feel free to join in again. It doesn't bode well for you that the only thing you can raise an issue with is my username. I suggest you finish off growing up before trying to talk to an adult.

I think you are right to say this and would support your stand against some of the mindless gibberish that passes as opinion on these threads. You are obviously pretty well informed on this breed and I for one took on board what you were saying.

Thank you very much for your comments Donald2000.
I was brought up around Dobermans as a child and, as such, would rate myself as a good owner. I'm responsible and pick up after my dogs, I never let them get into a situation where they could be blamed for causing distress and for the last 8 years, have been a dog trainer and psychologist/behavio
urist. I am now 41 and am disappointed that my choice of dog has been picked by mindless morons, the kind who let their dog's attack a defenceless horse, and now feel the wrath of the nation when a badly behaved staff goes on the rampage. It's not fair. Nor is it fair to other law abiding staff owners to have their dog's tarnished by the mindless minority. If it were up to me, I would place an age limit of 25 for those people who wish to have these dogs in public and, if this law is flouted, they are very obviously not as responsible as they said they were and they have their dogs taken from them because they cannot be trusted.
As many people say, dogs are dangerous if provoked but then, isn't a provoked, road rage inspired driver who maims somebody just as bad, or worse, as an ill behaved dog? Yet we don't put that driver to sleep. He gets a slap on the wrist, a prison sentence at best, and is allowed, one day, to own another car. You have to pass a test before being allowed to own and drive a car, why not have a similar set up for those who wish to own dogs such as these?

I only wanted to change one person's opinion about staffordshires today and you, Donald, have completely made my day, for which I must thank you again, from myself and on behalf of all good staff owners.

EELS MAN wrote:
Sadly, These people that own these sort of dogs ie: Staffordshires & similar, are scumbag stereotypes. I live in the city centre & they are everywhere. These people have an IQ that is lower than their dogs & they think it gives them kudos. Don't ban the dogs, ban the owners!

I wasn't even going to bother with you, Eels Man but, since you're here.

You are pretty well obviously from the same family of mindless fools that Derek comes from.

For your information, I have an IQ of 137 and neither want, need or desire the 'kudos' of owning these dogs.
I just want to be left alone to enjoy the company of my beautiful, wonderful, well behaved, non horse attacking dogs without hinderence. You and Derek should find something else to gripe about in your otherwise unfulfilled, uneducated and disrespectful lives because neither of you, clearly have the first clue of what you are talking about.

It's about time these **** dogs were added to the Dangerous Dogs register. Everytime there is an incident in the papers involving a dog, it is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier !

bigronthestaff wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote: The asterisks in my last post were supposed to say, B I T C H E S but it would appear the Echo's finely tuned swear box is fully functional!!! =)

If you feel so strongly about the stereotype why not make a stand against poor quality dog owners on council estates? We're all entitled to an opinion and dogs like these have no place in suburban life. Fine if you live in the sticks but they are not town dogs.

I agree with you on a couple of points you raised here Condor Man. Through no fault of your own, you do not know how much I am trying to make Council chiefs aware of bad owners on my estate. This includes, walking dogs off the lead, not picking up after dogs and generally causing a nuisance, to which I have received an astonishingly diluted response to. It occurs to me that Southampton City Council could not care less what goes on on their estates. I have emailed and phoned them countless times about the amount of dog waste which I see routinely around my neighbourhood. If I have complained to them as many times as I have and it falls on deaf ears, where do I go next? Is there some sort of European Dog Mess directive or governmental legislation I could make aware of this situation? I don't think there is. If anyone knows different then, pleae, get in touch. Staff owners do get a hard time, a pennance I am prepared to tolerate as I know what a good dog, staff or not, should be like as I am a Dog Trainer. That is, obedient to a fault, balanced and good natured. To answer your final point Condor Man, I assume you would be in favour of Border Collies, Labradors and the many breed of Spaniel removed from towns as these are patently not town dogs either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as you quite correctly pointed out, but does it mean I am a bad person if I don't agree with them? My dogs are fantastic, both in character and behaviour, and I have made absolutely sure that they are completely aware of what is acceptable and what isn't. LIZBIZZ, I think you'll find that I am the only person so far to comment on how much I feel for your friend's plight. I am, however, a staffy owner and perhaps such people are overlooked when it comes to saying that we have all missed the point.

No council should be involved in monitoring dog ownership, good communities police themselves. I do feel for you, though, because it saddens me to see people (usually young girls) being dragged by powerful dogs. They are not physically strong enough to own such dogs. I'm sure a well owned dog is no threat to anyone but sadly they have become a symbal for morons to hide behind.

rabbitlady wrote:
It's about time these **** dogs were added to the Dangerous Dogs register. Everytime there is an incident in the papers involving a dog, it is a Staffordshire Bull Terrier !

If Staffordshire Bull Terriers were to be added to the Dangerous Dogs register, it would accomplish exactly nothing. Why not run things the way I have suggested above and see how it goes from there? A 'Dangerous Dogs OWNERS' register, if you will.

See the following link for more.

http://deednotbreed.
org.uk/index.php?opt
ion=com_content&task
=view&id=2&Itemid=35

BigRon,

Chill. It is a sad fact that responsible owner/trainers such as you, are in the minority. You only have to travel to the nearest council estate or any estate (Private) to see the chavs and oiks that use all manner of breeds of dogs as a tag. These dogs, such as staffies are dangerous in the wrong hands, ie:the chavs and oiks. No your dogs are not dangerous, because they have been loved and looked after by a decent, responsible dog owner. Sadly, you are swimming against the tide because so many people let the staffie, and you, down. Derek, lay off, and use some sense on this one.

Regards,

Sir Ad E Noid.

Condor Man wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote: The asterisks in my last post were supposed to say, B I T C H E S but it would appear the Echo's finely tuned swear box is fully functional!!! =)

If you feel so strongly about the stereotype why not make a stand against poor quality dog owners on council estates? We're all entitled to an opinion and dogs like these have no place in suburban life. Fine if you live in the sticks but they are not town dogs.

I agree with you on a couple of points you raised here Condor Man. Through no fault of your own, you do not know how much I am trying to make Council chiefs aware of bad owners on my estate. This includes, walking dogs off the lead, not picking up after dogs and generally causing a nuisance, to which I have received an astonishingly diluted response to. It occurs to me that Southampton City Council could not care less what goes on on their estates. I have emailed and phoned them countless times about the amount of dog waste which I see routinely around my neighbourhood. If I have complained to them as many times as I have and it falls on deaf ears, where do I go next? Is there some sort of European Dog Mess directive or governmental legislation I could make aware of this situation? I don't think there is. If anyone knows different then, pleae, get in touch. Staff owners do get a hard time, a pennance I am prepared to tolerate as I know what a good dog, staff or not, should be like as I am a Dog Trainer. That is, obedient to a fault, balanced and good natured. To answer your final point Condor Man, I assume you would be in favour of Border Collies, Labradors and the many breed of Spaniel removed from towns as these are patently not town dogs either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as you quite correctly pointed out, but does it mean I am a bad person if I don't agree with them? My dogs are fantastic, both in character and behaviour, and I have made absolutely sure that they are completely aware of what is acceptable and what isn't. LIZBIZZ, I think you'll find that I am the only person so far to comment on how much I feel for your friend's plight. I am, however, a staffy owner and perhaps such people are overlooked when it comes to saying that we have all missed the point.

No council should be involved in monitoring dog ownership, good communities police themselves. I do feel for you, though, because it saddens me to see people (usually young girls) being dragged by powerful dogs. They are not physically strong enough to own such dogs. I'm sure a well owned dog is no threat to anyone but sadly they have become a symbal for morons to hide behind.

Correct and this is the kind of ownership I would like to see outlawed. Also, you are correct in stating that no council should be accountable for dog owners. My point is that there should be some sort of authority you should report to if you want to own a dog such as a staff. Responsible and good, honest dog ownership is what my fellow (good) staff owners and I are all about as this would ease the amount of panic which sorrounds these dogs at every turn. May I also point out that there are many Asians who live around me and, as we know, they are not keen on dogs. To this effect, I ensure that my animals never approach those who don't wish it and I have been told I am respected for my actions. This may sound like I'm 'blowing my own trumpet' but, I am merely pointing out responsible dog ownership. Of course I want to live in a harmonious neighbourhood and of course I'd love to see other staff owners following my lead, so to speak, but it has to start from one person and if it falls to me to be that person then so be it. I relish the thought of being the example-setter when it comes to promoting the Staff and associated 'Bull' breeds because, in the large, they are wholly misrepresented and misreported in the media as being flesh hungry monsters. They were not born like that, they have to have been fashioned into that so it's a case of Ban the Owner, Not the Breed.

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
BigRon, Chill. It is a sad fact that responsible owner/trainers such as you, are in the minority. You only have to travel to the nearest council estate or any estate (Private) to see the chavs and oiks that use all manner of breeds of dogs as a tag. These dogs, such as staffies are dangerous in the wrong hands, ie:the chavs and oiks. No your dogs are not dangerous, because they have been loved and looked after by a decent, responsible dog owner. Sadly, you are swimming against the tide because so many people let the staffie, and you, down. Derek, lay off, and use some sense on this one. Regards, Sir Ad E Noid.

Thank you for your comments Sir Ad E Noid (top name!!!)

It is exactly the reason that so many idiots own these dogs that I have to make a stand and encourage other good staff owners to do the same. I use my male staff as a stooge dog when I'm training other people's dogs and he's great at it. Even when other dogs go for him, whilst I'm training them, he just turns his head and walks away. I cannot and will not just ignore the protestations of people who need to be educated about these animals. If more people understood them then maybe this whole charade of 'staff owners are ignorant reprobates' will go away and then I can Chill, as you said!! =) Thanks once again for your support.

Incidentally, if Millie requires help in her rehabilitation towards dogs, I would be more than happy to do that for Gemma Matthews and her niece for free, if the Daily Echo would be so good as to pass this message along to them for me. Thank you.

firstly, i would like to send my best wishes to millie, and secondly, derek, did you only come on here to stir up some trouble, it isn't all staff's that are bad, i dont have any my self, i have a jack russle, but i know a few staff owners who arent the typical hoody wearing, workshy animals that own these, that is ust a stereotype, loving kind owners had these dogs first, and they still do, just because a bunch of low lifes started having these dogs and training them bad doesnt mean they all act the same. I am into reptiles and there is a thing called the D.W.A dangerous wild animals, which is a list of dangerous reptiles (venomous, flesh hungry etc) and people have to apply for a license to have these animals, i think the same should happen for dogs that are seen as dangerous, then only the responsible owners end up having them, i think chavs shouldn't have any dogs at all anyway, they can't look after themselves or the 20 kids they have, so how are they going to look after a dog

Hi all! Our hearts go out to millie and her owner...its not the dog its the owner. We currently own a one yr old staffordshire and a 2 yr old american alligator! We live in Thornhill towers. We find it harder to control our alligator than our staffordshire as the alligator needs a muzzle where as the staff will happily walk off the lead and listen to comands! These dogs are great and obedient and its unfortunate that they simpley just land in the wrong hands /owners! I wish i cld say the same for Al the aligator who still isnt toilet trained...I hope this helps you all.love to millie and family...!

StEmmosfire wrote:
Is this what the daily echo has become... Horses and Students!?

Yes it's called local news.

A dog is only as 'bad' as it's owner let's it be. Unfortunately, as many have pointed out, there seem to be more and more incidents of this type. A Staff came running up and got my puppy's head in it's mouth and the guy laughed and said he was being friendly. Another guy with a staff, the dog knocked an OAP lady over, the guy walked off without so much as an apology although did get reported to the dog warden. It is clear that some sort of regulation needs to be put in place. Not having a go at decent owners who train their dogs and are responsible. The owner in the story was clearly not :(

What I want to know is WHERE IS SOUTHY? and is he ok???

Freemantlegirl2: If you have information on the man who did this and his dog, you should go to the police and not comment on here.

is that what this thug and his dangerous dog is called then???

LIZBIZZ wrote:
Freemantlegirl2: If you have information on the man who did this and his dog, you should go to the police and not comment on here.

This isn't information, I don't tend to consort with chavs and their Staffies! Southy, is someone who posts on these columns regularly and he is MIA! don't jump to conclusions!

I hope the owner is caught and banned from keeping dogs and order to repay the costly vet bills and compensation to the owner of this poor horse. Sadly I agree that the dog should be put to sleep as i'm sure it would do this. Staffies are lovely dogs as well as many of the other dogs who come under the dangerous dog act, as long as they are in the right hands. For me, dogs should be kept on leads by all owners - I walk mine on an extendable lead over the forest, although he will not hurt an animal or person, it gives me control over him and he won't scare other people using the forest by bounding up to them. I have been in forest where a Doberman was not on a lead snarling at me & my dog, scary at the time but this dog should have been kept on a lead, sadly he was only being managed by owner who came and held the dogs collar there was no lead present and also had a young child with him - another example of bad dog handling

I wonder if this could be the same person my parents saw attack a donkey and its foal in the new forest, the poor foal (not sure if this is correct term) was forced into the pond and nearly drowned with the dog snarling at the bank thank god my father stepped in the man just walked away leaving the poor thing bleeding and shaking not so much as glance backwards just shouting a load of abuse at my parents and others who ran in to help.Not saying all staffies are dangerous , any breed can cause injury, i was brought up with dogs all my life, great danes, chows and a samoyed,you learn to respect animals,in return they are respectful and obedient my friends have staffies and they are great companions such a shame that some drag them up to be status symbols.Hope Millie gets over such a traumatic event.

LIZBIZZ wrote:
Freemantlegirl2: If you have information on the man who did this and his dog, you should go to the police and not comment on here.

Incorrect; you will recall that there was plenty of comment about the Housekeeper to the Attorney General and that was in full flush in the papers. Despite the fact that criminal proceedings were in train, the papers still commented. I believe that a judge can rule such comments sub judice by use of an injunction. Otherwise people are free to comment.

annoyedme wrote:
I hope the owner is caught and banned from keeping dogs and order to repay the costly vet bills and compensation to the owner of this poor horse. Sadly I agree that the dog should be put to sleep as i'm sure it would do this. Staffies are lovely dogs as well as many of the other dogs who come under the dangerous dog act, as long as they are in the right hands. For me, dogs should be kept on leads by all owners - I walk mine on an extendable lead over the forest, although he will not hurt an animal or person, it gives me control over him and he won't scare other people using the forest by bounding up to them. I have been in forest where a Doberman was not on a lead snarling at me & my dog, scary at the time but this dog should have been kept on a lead, sadly he was only being managed by owner who came and held the dogs collar there was no lead present and also had a young child with him - another example of bad dog handling

Staffordshire Bull Terriers do NOT (R) NOT come under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are only 4 dogs on there and they are:
Pit Bull Terrier TYPES, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros. Under the 1991 Act, it is illegal to own any of these dogs without specific permission from a court. The dogs have to be muzzled and kept on a lead in public, they must be registered and insured, neutered, tattooed and have microchips implanted.

Apart from Pit Bulls, there are no 'lovely' dogs on this list.

bigronthestaff wrote:

annoyedme wrote: I hope the owner is caught and banned from keeping dogs and order to repay the costly vet bills and compensation to the owner of this poor horse. Sadly I agree that the dog should be put to sleep as i'm sure it would do this. Staffies are lovely dogs as well as many of the other dogs who come under the dangerous dog act, as long as they are in the right hands. For me, dogs should be kept on leads by all owners - I walk mine on an extendable lead over the forest, although he will not hurt an animal or person, it gives me control over him and he won't scare other people using the forest by bounding up to them. I have been in forest where a Doberman was not on a lead snarling at me & my dog, scary at the time but this dog should have been kept on a lead, sadly he was only being managed by owner who came and held the dogs collar there was no lead present and also had a young child with him - another example of bad dog handling

Staffordshire Bull Terriers do NOT (R) NOT come under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are only 4 dogs on there and they are: Pit Bull Terrier TYPES, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros. Under the 1991 Act, it is illegal to own any of these dogs without specific permission from a court. The dogs have to be muzzled and kept on a lead in public, they must be registered and insured, neutered, tattooed and have microchips implanted. Apart from Pit Bulls, there are no 'lovely' dogs on this list.

Your reference is to section 1 of the Act. ANY dog can be adjudged dangerous (under section 2) and come under the purview of the Act if adjudged to do so by the Secretary of State (or other authority). You need to be able to interpret a Statute properly before you come on here and tell people what it is.

Donald2000 wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

annoyedme wrote: I hope the owner is caught and banned from keeping dogs and order to repay the costly vet bills and compensation to the owner of this poor horse. Sadly I agree that the dog should be put to sleep as i'm sure it would do this. Staffies are lovely dogs as well as many of the other dogs who come under the dangerous dog act, as long as they are in the right hands. For me, dogs should be kept on leads by all owners - I walk mine on an extendable lead over the forest, although he will not hurt an animal or person, it gives me control over him and he won't scare other people using the forest by bounding up to them. I have been in forest where a Doberman was not on a lead snarling at me & my dog, scary at the time but this dog should have been kept on a lead, sadly he was only being managed by owner who came and held the dogs collar there was no lead present and also had a young child with him - another example of bad dog handling

Staffordshire Bull Terriers do NOT (R) NOT come under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are only 4 dogs on there and they are: Pit Bull Terrier TYPES, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros. Under the 1991 Act, it is illegal to own any of these dogs without specific permission from a court. The dogs have to be muzzled and kept on a lead in public, they must be registered and insured, neutered, tattooed and have microchips implanted. Apart from Pit Bulls, there are no 'lovely' dogs on this list.

Your reference is to section 1 of the Act. ANY dog can be adjudged dangerous (under section 2) and come under the purview of the Act if adjudged to do so by the Secretary of State (or other authority). You need to be able to interpret a Statute properly before you come on here and tell people what it is.

Thank you for your correction. I had intended to expand on what I was saying but had to answer the door, forgot what I was doing and then just posted my comment. You are, of course, absolutely right. I feel quite the dullard now!!

I was so saddened to see this poor animal in such a state, bless her. Is it not possible to go through CCTV camera,s to get a description of this thug? Any sort of a description is better than none, did anybody see anybody walking a dog in the area at that time, the same breed in question etc.... Everyday the news gets worse, defencless animals, elderly, children, there seems no cut off point to the vicious lengths these thugs will go, they are totally heartless and without a caring bone in their body, they have no soul.

my husband was walking through southampton and had his face bitten by a **** dose that mean thay should be banned too??

bigronthestaff wrote:

Donald2000 wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote:

annoyedme wrote: I hope the owner is caught and banned from keeping dogs and order to repay the costly vet bills and compensation to the owner of this poor horse. Sadly I agree that the dog should be put to sleep as i'm sure it would do this. Staffies are lovely dogs as well as many of the other dogs who come under the dangerous dog act, as long as they are in the right hands. For me, dogs should be kept on leads by all owners - I walk mine on an extendable lead over the forest, although he will not hurt an animal or person, it gives me control over him and he won't scare other people using the forest by bounding up to them. I have been in forest where a Doberman was not on a lead snarling at me & my dog, scary at the time but this dog should have been kept on a lead, sadly he was only being managed by owner who came and held the dogs collar there was no lead present and also had a young child with him - another example of bad dog handling

Staffordshire Bull Terriers do NOT (R) NOT come under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are only 4 dogs on there and they are: Pit Bull Terrier TYPES, Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brasileiros. Under the 1991 Act, it is illegal to own any of these dogs without specific permission from a court. The dogs have to be muzzled and kept on a lead in public, they must be registered and insured, neutered, tattooed and have microchips implanted. Apart from Pit Bulls, there are no 'lovely' dogs on this list.

Your reference is to section 1 of the Act. ANY dog can be adjudged dangerous (under section 2) and come under the purview of the Act if adjudged to do so by the Secretary of State (or other authority). You need to be able to interpret a Statute properly before you come on here and tell people what it is.

Thank you for your correction. I had intended to expand on what I was saying but had to answer the door, forgot what I was doing and then just posted my comment. You are, of course, absolutely right. I feel quite the dullard now!!

Oh thats alright. Thanks for the reply and have a very nice evening.

Hi
I am Millies owner (not as stated in the paper miss g.matthews is my sister) and have read the comments here with interest. However I do feel that things are now somehow getting out of hand. This is not a discussion about class of owner or breed of dog. This is about irresponsible dog ownership and the person who left Millie alone in that field to bleed to death. If it had not been for a passer-by Millie would not have survived this attack.
The police now know who this low life is and he will be dealt with by the law however we all know that animal cruelty in this country does not receive particularly harsh sentences and is normally just a slap on the wrist by the courts. Millie was brought as a present for my children for Christmas and I am now left with a pony who is scared for life and will psychologically have problems for life. This in no way means that Millie will be loved any less BUT it does mean that she will never be 100% safe for my children to ride.
The class of person does not dictate what kind of owner you will be nor does your age but I feel strongly that we do need legisatration in this country so that potentially lethal owners are regulated and prosecuted with the full force of the law. Also where u live does not dictate what kind of owner u will be. In any walk of life you get good and bad.


This thug in my opinion should be banned for life from owning any animal and should land himself a jail sentence as would be seen in the USA where animal cruelty is dealt with more appropriately. We all know that the main punishment in this case will be the dog losing his/her life and for what because he was dealt an owner who turned out NOT to train him to good deeds from bad. This dog has to be destroyed now because he could do it again and next time it could be to your child or mine. I thank god my children weren't in the stables because if they had heard the commotion they would have gone outside and started screaming in horror and then who knows what would have happened. The dog will lose its life whilst the thug will get a slapped wrist and probably our vets bill. He will then go about his life like nothing has happened and probably pick himself up another unfortunate dog.

Any breed of dog in this thugs hands would be a loaded weapon and a danger to the public and other animals, not just the poor staffi who in this case was involved. I strongly agree that we need to " PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED"

Maybe in this country we should hold a central database of animal abusers and make it public knowledge and also when he is slapped on the wrist for allowing his dog to savage Millie he should have his face plastered across not only the local press but the national press as well and we should name and shame him, even better if we get a judge who hands out a jail sentence to this mindless piece of scum.

bigronthestaff wrote:
Incidentally, if Millie requires help in her rehabilitation towards dogs, I would be more than happy to do that for Gemma Matthews and her niece for free, if the Daily Echo would be so good as to pass this message along to them for me. Thank you.

hi bigronthestaff

if this offer for help with millie is still open,would like to take you up on your very kind offer.
thanks

lukyma wrote:

bigronthestaff wrote: Incidentally, if Millie requires help in her rehabilitation towards dogs, I would be more than happy to do that for Gemma Matthews and her niece for free, if the Daily Echo would be so good as to pass this message along to them for me. Thank you.

hi bigronthestaff if this offer for help with millie is still open,would like to take you up on your very kind offer. thanks

Absolutely no problem. If I can help Millie in any way, it would be my pleasure. I would suggest that we meet in a large open space, the common for example, and you can meet the dog I will be using to calm Millie down and we can take it from there.

I must point out that I'm not qualified on paper but, I have 41 years experience of living with dogs and could provide testimonials from people who's dogs I have trained.

If you would like to email me at jofp@o2.co.uk then we can get this resolution moving forward. If you could also provide a photo of Millie as proof it is you, I would appreciate that as I can imagine I'll get a load of hoax emails claiming to be you.

Thank you.

I very much look forward to meeting you at a time and place of your choosing and hope that we can get Millie back on track as a result.

I was totally disgusted when lizbizz told me what had happened, i am truly sorry and i just cant begin to imagine what you are all feeling. Surprisingly, the most clear , unjudgemental response has come from the owner of millie!, i admit my first thought was- staffie! is anyone really surprised by this, but from her reaction i do believe it is how the dog is trained, regardless of what breed of dog it is , it is down to the owner, the type of person they are!. I do hope that he is publically shamed and is 100 percent aware of the suffering that his lack of standards and decency has caused, not only to an animal but to the happyness of this ladys children. He allowed this to happen, will it have any impact on him, NO, because he walked away!, he is scum, and we, so-called "civilised" people will never understand how or why. I just thank god the children werent at the stables to witness this horrific attack and then to possibly become another victim is unbearable to think of. Lets hope that just for a change justice is served and i wish millie and family a speedy recovery from their ordeal, you will all get past this.