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Eastleigh's naked rambler Stephen Gough jailed for 21 months
11:41am Tuesday 9th February 2010
HAMPSHIRE'S naked rambler has been given his longest jail term yet.
Even a threat of life in jail couldn't persuade Eastleigh's Stephen Gough to cover up, despite an offer of freedom if he put some clothes on.
Now the 50-year-old dad-of-two has been sentenced to 21 months behind bars after being found guilty of breaching the peace and being in contempt of court.
Sheriff Linsay Foulis at Perth Sheriff Court jailed Gough for a year for walking naked in Perth after being freed from prison in December last year.
His freedom was short-lived when police waiting at the prison gates immediately arrested him for refusing to put on some clothes.
The Sheriff also ordered a further three months jail time for contempt after he insisted on conducting his trial in the nude and added the 180 days that Gough had left to serve when he was released midway through his previous 12-month sentence.
The former Royal Marine has spent much of the past four years in Scottish jails after stripping off on a flight to Edinburgh and subsequently refusing to wear prison uniform or wear clothes to court.
Gough told the court that he accepted that it was possible he could live the rest of his life behind bars but denied his nakedness was a breach of the peace or an affront to the court.
Sheriff Foulis said: "I suppose it doesn't need an expert in crystal ball gazing to anticipate that if I impose a custodial sentence then in so many months time a similar scenario will arise."
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Bam Boozler, Southampton says...
12:03pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Big Mac, southampton says...
12:07pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Saint Cope, Southampton says...
12:09pm Tue 9 Feb 10
He's a bit mad and he doesn't like wearing clothes. That doesn't justify the amount of time he spends banged up.
If he was naked and trying to play kiss-chase with ten year old boys that would be an entirely different matter.
There are many more dangerous people on our streets than this man.
steekeemcglue, Hedge End says...
12:14pm Tue 9 Feb 10
shilo, southampton says...
12:16pm Tue 9 Feb 10
bemused26, southampton says...
12:23pm Tue 9 Feb 10
yummy_mummy, Locks Heath says...
12:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Saint Cope wrote:You don't have to be dangerous to be doing something wrong. Many non-dangerous people are jailed every day because they are doing something illegal or offensive. This guy may think was he's doing is ok but I for one would not like to be sat next to a naked man on a train, nor would I like to be stood infront of him in the queue at Tescos! Sadly, jail is the only answer.
I think the Scottish Courts are mainly to blame for costing the tax payer money. He's a bit mad and he doesn't like wearing clothes. That doesn't justify the amount of time he spends banged up. If he was naked and trying to play kiss-chase with ten year old boys that would be an entirely different matter. There are many more dangerous people on our streets than this man.
freefinker, southampton says...
12:39pm Tue 9 Feb 10
He is not actually causing any real harm, even if he does embarrass a few.
Locking him up continually just cost us all a lot of dosh and gives him the publicity he obviously craves.
So, in accordance with my suggestion, I will not be commenting further.
CUTHBERT SCROGGS, HEDGE END says...
12:41pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1, southampton says...
12:51pm Tue 9 Feb 10
steekeemcglue, Hedge End says...
1:03pm Tue 9 Feb 10
bemused26 wrote:i dont want to see fat chavs in velour jumpsuits walking around but I have to put up with that !! I would rather see this guy walking down the street naked than some toothless drooler scrapping their knuckles along the ground yelling at their kids and telling them to shut up and eat their family sized bag of crisps whilst smoking the child allowance and scowling... if you are so offended by the naked body , why dont you get a set of clothes permanently sewn on to your good self !! LOL !!
I think he should be locked up. Just because he thinks there is nothing wrong with walking around naked in public doesn't mean there actually is nothing wrong with it. A lot of murderers and the like think there is nothing wrong with what they do but it doesn't make it so just because they believe it! I find it pretty disgusting that this man thinks it's ok to expose himself to the public- I for one certainly don't want to see naked people wandering around. There was a time that nakedness was natural in everyday society but that was a seriously long time ago and it is not now. It is an offence hence the fact he is locked up. I think the Scottish police have got it right. SW SHUT-HOLE!!!!
steekeemcglue, Hedge End says...
1:03pm Tue 9 Feb 10
bemused26 wrote:i dont want to see fat chavs in velour jumpsuits walking around but I have to put up with that !! I would rather see this guy walking down the street naked than some toothless drooler scrapping their knuckles along the ground yelling at their kids and telling them to shut up and eat their family sized bag of crisps whilst smoking the child allowance and scowling... if you are so offended by the naked body , why dont you get a set of clothes permanently sewn on to your good self !! LOL !!
I think he should be locked up. Just because he thinks there is nothing wrong with walking around naked in public doesn't mean there actually is nothing wrong with it. A lot of murderers and the like think there is nothing wrong with what they do but it doesn't make it so just because they believe it! I find it pretty disgusting that this man thinks it's ok to expose himself to the public- I for one certainly don't want to see naked people wandering around. There was a time that nakedness was natural in everyday society but that was a seriously long time ago and it is not now. It is an offence hence the fact he is locked up. I think the Scottish police have got it right. SW SHUT-HOLE!!!!
DCM, Southampton says...
1:04pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:I believe it is you who are missing the point here. He is not fighting for my rights at all - he only cares what he wants. Since when does anyone have the right to walk around naked? I think you'll find the law says that you have to cause offence or harm, not intend to. I think plenty of people would be offended to see a stranger's naked body, not unreasonably so either. There are plenty of areas where he can walk around naked, by doing it anywhere he likes he is sticking two fingers up at society - whether he (or you) believe everyone should be naked is irrelevant. He's in the wrong so he goes to jail.
You are all missing the point (again). This guy is fighting for your rights (as he did whilst in the marines). He is not a naturist/nudist but he is going naked to make a point. That point being that he has every right to be naked in public. Before you all shout no he hasn't check the law. It states that for nakedness in public to be an offense it must be proven that it was done to cause alarm or distress. If anyone finds a naked body causes them to be distressed I guess they can never look at them selves naked in a mirror or undress in front of their partner. There has been uproar in the press about peoples rights to take photographs in public places (another perfectly legal thing to do), perhaps the press should start giving support to Steve before they can't take any photos of him. Oh and by the way.......when do you think big brother will try to stop you stating your points of view on here???
Other than that, kep taking the paranoid pills and reading 1984 - it'll all be fine in the end.
southy, redbridge says...
1:07pm Tue 9 Feb 10
i admire the guy for sticking to his guns. and i hope proves his point in the end, we need more people like this in other areas of people rights.
S!mon, Romsey says...
1:18pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1, southampton says...
1:28pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM wrote:Dear DCM.
colinpickford1 wrote:I believe it is you who are missing the point here. He is not fighting for my rights at all - he only cares what he wants. Since when does anyone have the right to walk around naked? I think you'll find the law says that you have to cause offence or harm, not intend to. I think plenty of people would be offended to see a stranger's naked body, not unreasonably so either. There are plenty of areas where he can walk around naked, by doing it anywhere he likes he is sticking two fingers up at society - whether he (or you) believe everyone should be naked is irrelevant. He's in the wrong so he goes to jail.
You are all missing the point (again). This guy is fighting for your rights (as he did whilst in the marines). He is not a naturist/nudist but he is going naked to make a point. That point being that he has every right to be naked in public. Before you all shout no he hasn't check the law. It states that for nakedness in public to be an offense it must be proven that it was done to cause alarm or distress. If anyone finds a naked body causes them to be distressed I guess they can never look at them selves naked in a mirror or undress in front of their partner. There has been uproar in the press about peoples rights to take photographs in public places (another perfectly legal thing to do), perhaps the press should start giving support to Steve before they can't take any photos of him. Oh and by the way.......when do you think big brother will try to stop you stating your points of view on here???
Other than that, kep taking the paranoid pills and reading 1984 - it'll all be fine in the end.
The whole idea of his being naked in public is to raise awareness to the way our Civil liberties are being eroded. So could you please explain? The point of doing where no one could see would be what exactly??
Thank you for your kind advice on my medication. However i'll check with my doctor.............o
r someone else with a working brain cell.
Huffybear, Southampton says...
1:31pm Tue 9 Feb 10
wilson castaway, soton says...
1:40pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Big Mac, southampton says...
1:40pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM, Southampton says...
1:40pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:No Colin, the point of being naked in public is not to raise awareness of our erosion in civil liberties but to say "look at me, I can do whatever I want". A different thing entirely. With liberty comes responsibility - the responsibility he has to other members of society who don't agree with him, a responsibility to his kids who can hardly ever see him let alone build a relationship with him, a responsibility to live within the law or try and change it through LAWFUL means.
DCM wrote:Dear DCM. The whole idea of his being naked in public is to raise awareness to the way our Civil liberties are being eroded. So could you please explain? The point of doing where no one could see would be what exactly?? Thank you for your kind advice on my medication. However i'll check with my doctor.............o r someone else with a working brain cell.colinpickford1 wrote: You are all missing the point (again). This guy is fighting for your rights (as he did whilst in the marines). He is not a naturist/nudist but he is going naked to make a point. That point being that he has every right to be naked in public. Before you all shout no he hasn't check the law. It states that for nakedness in public to be an offense it must be proven that it was done to cause alarm or distress. If anyone finds a naked body causes them to be distressed I guess they can never look at them selves naked in a mirror or undress in front of their partner. There has been uproar in the press about peoples rights to take photographs in public places (another perfectly legal thing to do), perhaps the press should start giving support to Steve before they can't take any photos of him. Oh and by the way.......when do you think big brother will try to stop you stating your points of view on here???I believe it is you who are missing the point here. He is not fighting for my rights at all - he only cares what he wants. Since when does anyone have the right to walk around naked? I think you'll find the law says that you have to cause offence or harm, not intend to. I think plenty of people would be offended to see a stranger's naked body, not unreasonably so either. There are plenty of areas where he can walk around naked, by doing it anywhere he likes he is sticking two fingers up at society - whether he (or you) believe everyone should be naked is irrelevant. He's in the wrong so he goes to jail. Other than that, kep taking the paranoid pills and reading 1984 - it'll all be fine in the end.
Trying to make this guy out as a civil rights hero is offensive to those that really fight for people's rights.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
1:55pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM wrote:DCM
colinpickford1 wrote:No Colin, the point of being naked in public is not to raise awareness of our erosion in civil liberties but to say "look at me, I can do whatever I want". A different thing entirely. With liberty comes responsibility - the responsibility he has to other members of society who don't agree with him, a responsibility to his kids who can hardly ever see him let alone build a relationship with him, a responsibility to live within the law or try and change it through LAWFUL means.
DCM wrote:Dear DCM. The whole idea of his being naked in public is to raise awareness to the way our Civil liberties are being eroded. So could you please explain? The point of doing where no one could see would be what exactly?? Thank you for your kind advice on my medication. However i'll check with my doctor.............o r someone else with a working brain cell.colinpickford1 wrote: You are all missing the point (again). This guy is fighting for your rights (as he did whilst in the marines). He is not a naturist/nudist but he is going naked to make a point. That point being that he has every right to be naked in public. Before you all shout no he hasn't check the law. It states that for nakedness in public to be an offense it must be proven that it was done to cause alarm or distress. If anyone finds a naked body causes them to be distressed I guess they can never look at them selves naked in a mirror or undress in front of their partner. There has been uproar in the press about peoples rights to take photographs in public places (another perfectly legal thing to do), perhaps the press should start giving support to Steve before they can't take any photos of him. Oh and by the way.......when do you think big brother will try to stop you stating your points of view on here???I believe it is you who are missing the point here. He is not fighting for my rights at all - he only cares what he wants. Since when does anyone have the right to walk around naked? I think you'll find the law says that you have to cause offence or harm, not intend to. I think plenty of people would be offended to see a stranger's naked body, not unreasonably so either. There are plenty of areas where he can walk around naked, by doing it anywhere he likes he is sticking two fingers up at society - whether he (or you) believe everyone should be naked is irrelevant. He's in the wrong so he goes to jail. Other than that, kep taking the paranoid pills and reading 1984 - it'll all be fine in the end.
Trying to make this guy out as a civil rights hero is offensive to those that really fight for people's rights.
I'm so glad that you Agree with me over the importance of our civil liberties. It appears that you just hate the naked body. I understand that is quite normal to suffer with body image issues and/or lack of confidence now days due to the pressure to fit in with the accepted Hollywood image. Please don't feel out on your own over this, I spoke to a psychologist friend of mine for you and she said it is very common for men to worry about the size of their organ when compared to the size of their ego. Now what exactly is wrong (in your view) with your, or any other persons naked body.
PS. We all have one you know.
DCM, Southampton says...
2:07pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:Hi Colin
DCM wrote:DCM I'm so glad that you Agree with me over the importance of our civil liberties. It appears that you just hate the naked body. I understand that is quite normal to suffer with body image issues and/or lack of confidence now days due to the pressure to fit in with the accepted Hollywood image. Please don't feel out on your own over this, I spoke to a psychologist friend of mine for you and she said it is very common for men to worry about the size of their organ when compared to the size of their ego. Now what exactly is wrong (in your view) with your, or any other persons naked body. PS. We all have one you know.colinpickford1 wrote:No Colin, the point of being naked in public is not to raise awareness of our erosion in civil liberties but to say "look at me, I can do whatever I want". A different thing entirely. With liberty comes responsibility - the responsibility he has to other members of society who don't agree with him, a responsibility to his kids who can hardly ever see him let alone build a relationship with him, a responsibility to live within the law or try and change it through LAWFUL means. Trying to make this guy out as a civil rights hero is offensive to those that really fight for people's rights.DCM wrote:Dear DCM. The whole idea of his being naked in public is to raise awareness to the way our Civil liberties are being eroded. So could you please explain? The point of doing where no one could see would be what exactly?? Thank you for your kind advice on my medication. However i'll check with my doctor.............o r someone else with a working brain cell.colinpickford1 wrote: You are all missing the point (again). This guy is fighting for your rights (as he did whilst in the marines). He is not a naturist/nudist but he is going naked to make a point. That point being that he has every right to be naked in public. Before you all shout no he hasn't check the law. It states that for nakedness in public to be an offense it must be proven that it was done to cause alarm or distress. If anyone finds a naked body causes them to be distressed I guess they can never look at them selves naked in a mirror or undress in front of their partner. There has been uproar in the press about peoples rights to take photographs in public places (another perfectly legal thing to do), perhaps the press should start giving support to Steve before they can't take any photos of him. Oh and by the way.......when do you think big brother will try to stop you stating your points of view on here???I believe it is you who are missing the point here. He is not fighting for my rights at all - he only cares what he wants. Since when does anyone have the right to walk around naked? I think you'll find the law says that you have to cause offence or harm, not intend to. I think plenty of people would be offended to see a stranger's naked body, not unreasonably so either. There are plenty of areas where he can walk around naked, by doing it anywhere he likes he is sticking two fingers up at society - whether he (or you) believe everyone should be naked is irrelevant. He's in the wrong so he goes to jail. Other than that, kep taking the paranoid pills and reading 1984 - it'll all be fine in the end.
I'm very pleased that you are unable to respond adequately to my arguments so instead feel the need to try and ridicule me instead. Very grown up of you I must say.
As you well know this has nothing to do with a like or dislike of the human body. It is how you act within a society. I have nothing against the human body, what I am against is someone trying to impose their own views on the rest of us in such a way.
Now perhaps you can build a constructive argument in his defence rather than try and say all those who disagree must have "body issues"? Please grow up.
southy, redbridge says...
2:10pm Tue 9 Feb 10
eurogordi, Totton says...
2:13pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Big Mac, southampton says...
2:14pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Big Mac, southampton says...
2:16pm Tue 9 Feb 10
samantha pia, millbrook says...
2:16pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM, Southampton says...
2:25pm Tue 9 Feb 10
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
samantha pia, millbrook says...
2:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1, southampton says...
2:44pm Tue 9 Feb 10
...You are wrong if you think nakedness or any other “thing” is upsetting you. It is NEVER the thing that upsets you, it is what YOU think about it. Unfortunately it is very rare for some people to think at all. Normally they just react and that reaction comes from years and years of not being told how to react. Some times it can be good to watch our own thoughts and question why we believe them. That way rather than just being a reflection of the past it may be possible to apply some logic to the situation in the present. And remember, there are millions of people on the planet..........and they all have a view point........but no one is in a position to see the whole picture. Not even you.
X Old Bill, Sunny South Coast says...
2:53pm Tue 9 Feb 10
A person commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally exposes his genitals, and
(b) he intends that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress. ('he' is not gender specific).
So you will note that an intent is required, but under an amendment made in 2007 the words 'Outraging public decency' were used.
Simple nudity is not illegal in England and Wales. The Law is different in Scotland and by statute nudity is an offence at Common Law. The Complainant for such offences under Scottish Law can be anyone including a Police Officer.
In England and Wales the Police should in theory only act upon a public complaint but in practice some Police Forces actually go and canvas a complaint after the event, or use the later alternative wording and claim to have been outraged themselves.
Mr Gough is, I believe, aware of the law in Scotland but still persists in returning.
DCM, Southampton says...
2:54pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:Ahh, we have a psychologist in our midst (hopefully an amateur one as you're really not very good). You've made the totally incorrect assumption that people (like me) who don't think it appropriate to walk around naked in public are in fear or loathing of our own bodies. No doubt some people are but, as you yourself say, there are many different views out there. Please don't make assumptions about me, especially when they're then used to insult rather than to engage constructively in an arguement. Again you have failed to put forward any arguments in this guys favour. I have no issues with my body but don't think it right that I walk down the High Street with no clothes on. I really have trouble understanding why you don't get this.
I am so sorry if you thought my comments where aimed at you. It was meant as a general observation. However if the cap fits................ ...You are wrong if you think nakedness or any other “thing” is upsetting you. It is NEVER the thing that upsets you, it is what YOU think about it. Unfortunately it is very rare for some people to think at all. Normally they just react and that reaction comes from years and years of not being told how to react. Some times it can be good to watch our own thoughts and question why we believe them. That way rather than just being a reflection of the past it may be possible to apply some logic to the situation in the present. And remember, there are millions of people on the planet..........and they all have a view point........but no one is in a position to see the whole picture. Not even you.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
2:56pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM, Southampton says...
2:58pm Tue 9 Feb 10
samantha pia wrote:This is a totally seperate issue Samantha - breast feeding in public and walking about naked in public are two very different things.
yes and its the same people that object to women breast-feeding, in public and now made it almost impossible for a woman to feed her baby on demand.
By the way, I have no objection to breast feeding in public but I do have an objection to standing behind some naked person in a queue in Boots!
colinpickford1, southampton says...
2:59pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM, Southampton says...
3:04pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:Lol. Now that is funny :-)
It's colder than it looks out side.
X Old Bill, Sunny South Coast says...
3:21pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence to use or display such words or behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress.
Section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. It makes it an offence for someone to intentionally expose their genitals with the intent that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress.
There is also a common law offence of outraging public decency, which makes it an offence to do in public any act of a lewd, obscene or disgusting nature which outrages public decency.
This is of course in England and Wales, Not Scotland or Northern Ireland.
southy, redbridge says...
3:24pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM wrote:i can remember when it first started dmc. when he walk along a empty footpath out in the country side, and went skinny dipping. a complaint was made by some one who see him though a pair of binoculars
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
3:35pm Tue 9 Feb 10
southy wrote:I'm surprised they could see anything through the binoculars, what with holding them with one hand and busy with the other it must have been hard to focus.
DCM wrote:i can remember when it first started dmc. when he walk along a empty footpath out in the country side, and went skinny dipping. a complaint was made by some one who see him though a pair of binoculars
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
A little story for you all, it's true I swear. A good friend of mine has been a naturist since he was born...............y
ep even born naked. One day a high court judge moved in next door to him and my friends good lady (not a naturist) told him he would have to stop going naked in the garden. A few weeks later he looked out of an upstairs window and he could see the judge in his garden. Naked, naked and having a barclay's bank. It takes all sorts I guess.
VIVERS, southampton says...
4:33pm Tue 9 Feb 10
colinpickford1, southampton says...
4:38pm Tue 9 Feb 10
VIVERS wrote:Perzacaly
oh you boys lol, i bet you would all think different if it was a lovely blonde working down the road. bless you all.
freemantlegirl2, Southampton says...
5:50pm Tue 9 Feb 10
southy wrote:Yes that was me Southy, I couldn't see ANYTHING through the binoculars that's why I complained :D and they say size doesn't matter!
DCM wrote:i can remember when it first started dmc. when he walk along a empty footpath out in the country side, and went skinny dipping. a complaint was made by some one who see him though a pair of binoculars
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
Personally, think it's ridiculous to keep locking him up! I quite admire him really in a way, I wouldn't be offended but can see how some people would. I see him as a kind of anarchist really...nothing wrong with not wanting to conform. Would be different if he was wandering about in an excited state. This isn't sexual though. He must have the constitution of an ox to walk about naked in Scotland in the winter though!! brrrrrrrrr!
colinpickford1, southampton says...
5:59pm Tue 9 Feb 10
DCM wrote:" I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public". Make your mind up. You cant have it both ways.
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
Lets bring this to an end (pardon the pun).
If anyone has any complaints about the human body or finds it offensive let me know and I'll pass your views on to God next time I chat with him. Tell him he got it wrong and could he please make some changes to it. Or would that be offensive?
freefinker, southampton says...
6:07pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Ooops, said I wasn't going to comment any further on this story.
I'm such a hypocrite!
southy, redbridge says...
6:08pm Tue 9 Feb 10
freemantlegirl2 wrote:frost bite all ready got to him.
southy wrote:Yes that was me Southy, I couldn't see ANYTHING through the binoculars that's why I complained :D and they say size doesn't matter!
DCM wrote:i can remember when it first started dmc. when he walk along a empty footpath out in the country side, and went skinny dipping. a complaint was made by some one who see him though a pair of binoculars
southy wrote:Southy - you're not offended that he's naked or you're not offended that Colin seems to think this guy is a civil rights hero?
dmc i do fight for civil liberities and people rights and i am not offended.
He's not a hero, I don't even believe he is making any point about civil liberties.
I'm not offended that he's naked either, I just don't think it's right that you act that way in public. Nothing to do with views on naked bodies, just a view on how society should behave.
Personally, think it's ridiculous to keep locking him up! I quite admire him really in a way, I wouldn't be offended but can see how some people would. I see him as a kind of anarchist really...nothing wrong with not wanting to conform. Would be different if he was wandering about in an excited state. This isn't sexual though. He must have the constitution of an ox to walk about naked in Scotland in the winter though!! brrrrrrrrr!
colinpickford1, southampton says...
6:12pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Uncle Chuffnuts, cotes du Millbrook says...
8:23pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Mr E, Eastleigh says...
9:15pm Tue 9 Feb 10
my wife who was with me at the time was quite shocked
Stupideditor, says...
10:15pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Saint Cope wrote:I don't know how anyone can have any confidence in the scotish justice system, especailly after the release of the Lockerbie bomber.
I think the Scottish Courts are mainly to blame for costing the tax payer money. He's a bit mad and he doesn't like wearing clothes. That doesn't justify the amount of time he spends banged up. If he was naked and trying to play kiss-chase with ten year old boys that would be an entirely different matter. There are many more dangerous people on our streets than this man.
Why should this man be locked up in a jail is beyond me. He needs help but he won't get it behind bars.
whoknew, Southampton says...
9:32am Wed 10 Feb 10
So he's naked - get over it!
steekeemcglue, Hedge End says...
11:18am Wed 10 Feb 10
whoknew wrote:well said... the only knobs of concern are those dressed in scottish police uniforms who are too scared to go after drug dealers and clean up their toilet of an inner city so go and pick on some humanist..... easy , lazy and self-defeating policing.... give em independance up there PLEASE !!!!!!!
As far as I am aware this man is just a normal male human being. He hasn't got anything we haven't seen before. So he's naked - get over it!
King Mush, Woolston says...
11:52am Wed 10 Feb 10
Mr E wrote:lol
I happened to see him 'in the flesh' a couple of years ago and given the expression on his face I thought he needed medical help.
my wife who was with me at the time was quite shocked
He also 'shocked' an old spinster whilst strolling down Market Street- she nearly had a stroke.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
12:03pm Wed 10 Feb 10
southy, redbridge says...
12:35pm Wed 10 Feb 10
megacycle, southampton says...
3:13pm Wed 10 Feb 10
A few years ago I saw an interview with this man, at the time he was living in a caravan and had just returned from asda. the interviewer commented that he was dressed, and put it down to the cold weather. in my opinion, he must know he would get thrown out of the store if naked, and therefore starve; so if he can follow convention in that context, why not every public place?
also, when "rambling", he wears a rucksac, boots, hat, sometimes gloves, so is not truely naked but exposing his genitals in public.
when people are caught urinating in the street the police do not have to prove that offence to others was caused or intended.
I believe this man lacks a sense of identity, so has adopted this persona to compensate. if he really cares about civil liberty he should give up this worthless crusade and do something more constructive.
if he just wants to be naked there are places to go, be thankful our society accepts this and stop wasting everyone's time and money. proper bell end.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
3:25pm Wed 10 Feb 10
megacycle wrote:"personally, I am quite partial to being naked in the privacy of my own home; that is my right and my liberty. However, I have no desire to walk naked in the street, that would be uncomfortable, impractical and pointless".
personally, I am quite partial to being naked in the privacy of my own home; that is my right and my liberty. However, I have no desire to walk naked in the street, that would be uncomfortable, impractical and pointless.
A few years ago I saw an interview with this man, at the time he was living in a caravan and had just returned from asda. the interviewer commented that he was dressed, and put it down to the cold weather. in my opinion, he must know he would get thrown out of the store if naked, and therefore starve; so if he can follow convention in that context, why not every public place?
also, when "rambling", he wears a rucksac, boots, hat, sometimes gloves, so is not truely naked but exposing his genitals in public.
when people are caught urinating in the street the police do not have to prove that offence to others was caused or intended.
I believe this man lacks a sense of identity, so has adopted this persona to compensate. if he really cares about civil liberty he should give up this worthless crusade and do something more constructive.
if he just wants to be naked there are places to go, be thankful our society accepts this and stop wasting everyone's time and money. proper bell end.
To YOU it may be uncomfortable, impractical and pointless. But then again so is mountain climbing......do you want to stop that as well?? lol.
megacycle, southampton says...
5:10pm Wed 10 Feb 10
what is enjoyable and harmless in one's own mind is not always socially acceptible -- I might like to walk the streets brandishing a replica firearm, or play my hifi full blast at 4am, but i refrain out of respect for others, and appreciate similar consideration.
actually this man is infringing my liberty with his lack of consideration for others, especially those with young children.
steekeemcglue, Hedge End says...
5:54pm Wed 10 Feb 10
megacycle wrote:yeh your right , last time I was on safari I saw some female chimpanzees having a right old go at some geezer chimp for showing his todger in front of the little chimps..... what a scandal !!
sorry, do you find mountain climbing offensive behaviour? millions worldwide don't find it pointless, either. what is enjoyable and harmless in one's own mind is not always socially acceptible -- I might like to walk the streets brandishing a replica firearm, or play my hifi full blast at 4am, but i refrain out of respect for others, and appreciate similar consideration. actually this man is infringing my liberty with his lack of consideration for others, especially those with young children.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
6:12pm Wed 10 Feb 10
megacycle wrote:So people with young children find the human body more offensive than the rest of the population do they? Where do you get this fact from?
sorry, do you find mountain climbing offensive behaviour? millions worldwide don't find it pointless, either.
what is enjoyable and harmless in one's own mind is not always socially acceptible -- I might like to walk the streets brandishing a replica firearm, or play my hifi full blast at 4am, but i refrain out of respect for others, and appreciate similar consideration.
actually this man is infringing my liberty with his lack of consideration for others, especially those with young children.
Young children do not find the human body offensive. They have not had enough indoctrination from small minded people like yourself to find what is natural offensive.
Stop living your ancestors lives, try living your own. Then again that would involve engaging your brain cell rather than just your ego so I doubt that you are capable of doing so.
PS some folk are so easy to wind up it allmost takes the fun out of it.
X Old Bill, Sunny South Coast says...
6:48pm Wed 10 Feb 10
It is nurture rather than nature to be offended.
However if the 'exposure' is in any way of a sexual form, flashers and the like, then it would many times have been helpful if the parents had been rather more open themselves so that the child knows the difference.
With regard to the mention of urinating in public - generally it used to be charged as committing a public nuisance rather than exposure, but it would depend on the location and circumstances.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
6:52pm Wed 10 Feb 10
forest hump, hythe says...
7:37pm Wed 10 Feb 10
colinpickford1, southampton says...
7:58pm Wed 10 Feb 10
forest hump wrote:Look at the posts hump
Let him freeze. He'll soon learn. And, what's his motive?
megacycle, southampton says...
10:39am Thu 11 Feb 10
colinpickford1 wrote:I didn't say children find it offensive, I meant it's disturbing and awkward for the parents. of course children don't know what's acceptable, a fact that paedophiles often exploit.
megacycle wrote:So people with young children find the human body more offensive than the rest of the population do they? Where do you get this fact from?
sorry, do you find mountain climbing offensive behaviour? millions worldwide don't find it pointless, either.
what is enjoyable and harmless in one's own mind is not always socially acceptible -- I might like to walk the streets brandishing a replica firearm, or play my hifi full blast at 4am, but i refrain out of respect for others, and appreciate similar consideration.
actually this man is infringing my liberty with his lack of consideration for others, especially those with young children.
Young children do not find the human body offensive. They have not had enough indoctrination from small minded people like yourself to find what is natural offensive.
Stop living your ancestors lives, try living your own. Then again that would involve engaging your brain cell rather than just your ego so I doubt that you are capable of doing so.
PS some folk are so easy to wind up it allmost takes the fun out of it.
I was trying to rationally express views pertinent to the subject, however if you want to get personal I can do that just as well. If you feel so strongly about this man's right, why don't you follow his example and see where it gets you (I hear prison food is not too bad these days).
Attacking the character of someone you know nothing about is small minded in my view. I am not defining social acceptance, merely defending what is by nature a concensus of opinion. It is these standards which set us apart from the apes; maybe you'll be happy if we all start defaecating and copulating in public.
I am living my life, I just know how to flout convention without enraging it.
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yummy_mummy, Locks Heath says...
11:59am Tue 9 Feb 10