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Chips in bins to get Southampton residents recycling more
12:03pm Wednesday 10th February 2010
More stories about: Southampton City Council
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- Exclusive By Peter Law » Feature Writer
CITY residents could soon be given shopping vouchers and discounts for being green.
But plans to install microchips in bins to weigh how much paper, glass and plastic each home is recycling are likely to prove controversial.
Council chiefs want to launch the reward scheme across Southampton within a year after successful pilot projects in other parts of the country.
However, privacy campaigners have warned that it could open the door to people being fined for how much waste they throw out.
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Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:15pm Wed 10 Feb 10
It will be interesting to know what my Green friends have to say on this Tory step towards police state.
Paramjit Bahia, Southampton says...
12:21pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Bevois Valley Resident wrote:Fully support that.
The problem with schemes like this is they don't encourage consumers to cut down on the amount of packaging they get in the first place - in fact the reverse is the case. Recycling still uses a lot of energy and costs money - it's better not to use unnecessary packaging in the first place. This type of scheme is rather shortsighted - something which targets businesses such as supermarkets and makes them pay to collect and recycle packaging would have a far greater impact on reducing waste.
Problem is these people do not want to demand that may call for any effort from their rich business backers. This applies to all three major political players.
Ozmosis, Southampton says...
12:44pm Wed 10 Feb 10
southy, redbridge says...
12:46pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Paramjit Bahia wrote:best bit is that you dont have to use the bins that council supply. you can get your own, has long that they are the same shape, style, colour and clearly mark.
Some well connected supplier of these gizmos will gain lots of money while the people will lose their privacy.
It will be interesting to know what my Green friends have to say on this Tory step towards police state.
colinpickford1, southampton says...
12:46pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Saintlygirl, Southampton says...
12:47pm Wed 10 Feb 10
hulla baloo, Turkey says...
1:16pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Is just a disguised reason towards paying by weight.
I dont agree at all, but if they want to charge, should be by volume and not weight.
After all a ton of feathers takes more volume in a landfill than a ton of lead.
G0Rf, SaaaafHampton says...
1:34pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Why not just lower the council tax bill or spend it on education, not shopping vouchers!
Duncan Disorderly, Whereami says...
2:19pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Funny, because they didn't want glass in the recycle bins at least up to last October, I don't know if it's changed since.
Carpe Diem, Southampton says...
2:29pm Wed 10 Feb 10
now in the north, bolton says...
2:38pm Wed 10 Feb 10
hulla baloo wrote:The absolutel reason for this is to get people to accept the chips...The legal situation will mean that you will also accept the terms of "service" by taking part, the terms of service ALWAYS include a right to change the terms of service AND the right to change the way they use information!!!
A reward? Can smell the B/S from here, and I am in Turkey.
Is just a disguised reason towards paying by weight.
I dont agree at all, but if they want to charge, should be by volume and not weight.
After all a ton of feathers takes more volume in a landfill than a ton of lead.
They will without doubt set up this "voucher" scheme and then edit it later to share the info from it with other departments, including the CO2 tax department which are currently implementing the tax on the air we breathe!
Up here, they are currently "testing" the introduction of non-compulsory ID cards at a discounted rate, obviously. These are semi compulsory if you want to work in certain "high end" places and offer attractive discounts.They have also introduced the new Smart card for if you want to use public services such as free child swimming and librarys. This will mean that bank workers etc and unemployed will all have them, and so it will be more easily implicated under force for the rest of us! This card is a multi card for many services including banking! Its the closest thing to an ID chip as it also contains medical info, photo, personal details etc...and of course, money off subway and pizzas!
I wish people would try to look further ahead and perhaps we wouldnt be in this big brother state!
zoom-in, Realworld says...
2:53pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Lone Ranger, Southampton says...
5:27pm Wed 10 Feb 10
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What more personal information can you give these people that they donat alraedy know??????.
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They already know where you live..yes obvious........they already know how many live there....... they already know your bank details if you pay by DD.....they already know your age, employment status.
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Almost every supermarket or high street store knows your age and shopping habbits and bank details.
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So what else have you got left ????
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So lets face it everyting listed above you have given over without question so why worry about your dustbin,
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What i want to know is who isd going to pay for the vouchers.
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Wheres the money coming from MrGMan
SotonNorth, says...
5:28pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Condor Man, Southampton says...
5:34pm Wed 10 Feb 10
clausentum, says...
7:06pm Wed 10 Feb 10
now in the north wrote:Nailed it.
hulla baloo wrote:The absolutel reason for this is to get people to accept the chips...The legal situation will mean that you will also accept the terms of "service" by taking part, the terms of service ALWAYS include a right to change the terms of service AND the right to change the way they use information!!!
A reward? Can smell the B/S from here, and I am in Turkey.
Is just a disguised reason towards paying by weight.
I dont agree at all, but if they want to charge, should be by volume and not weight.
After all a ton of feathers takes more volume in a landfill than a ton of lead.
They will without doubt set up this "voucher" scheme and then edit it later to share the info from it with other departments, including the CO2 tax department which are currently implementing the tax on the air we breathe!
Up here, they are currently "testing" the introduction of non-compulsory ID cards at a discounted rate, obviously. These are semi compulsory if you want to work in certain "high end" places and offer attractive discounts.They have also introduced the new Smart card for if you want to use public services such as free child swimming and librarys. This will mean that bank workers etc and unemployed will all have them, and so it will be more easily implicated under force for the rest of us! This card is a multi card for many services including banking! Its the closest thing to an ID chip as it also contains medical info, photo, personal details etc...and of course, money off subway and pizzas!
I wish people would try to look further ahead and perhaps we wouldnt be in this big brother state!
Control by stealth.
Goverment's, local and national, are on a perpetual quest to achieve uniformity and to make their lives easier, at the expense of individuality and personal freedoms.
Computers may have been a boon to business' with their thumping big increases in productivity and thus massive increases in profits, but the real winners emerging out of the computer-age are governments, local and national.
Almost every aspect of individual behaviour can now be recorded in binary form, from banking transactions to library reading and everything in between.
Control over information is "power" and with that power is the thorny question of who exercises the power and how they exercise the power.
History teaches us that governments have a lousy track record when exercising power and constantly misuse and abuse it.
Today, electronic monitoring of what is put in a rubbish bin. Tomorrow, electronic monitoring of what you eat, when you eat, what you consume as an individual and as a family and so on and so on . . . we are bang in the middle of George Orwell's World. And it is going to get worse.
Polygonia, Southampton says...
8:26pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Still many cannot do it.
Take a look round the HMO ghettoes to see bins left all week on the pavements and the wrong things in the recycle bins.
Does anyone ever get fined for leaving bins out all week ?
Saintlygirl, Southampton says...
9:13pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Polygonia wrote:I have a point to make on bins being left on pavements. Some residents do which is really annoying when they've got bigger front gardens than me! What really makes me mad is that I leave my bins on MY front path and NOT the public path, and the BIN MEN leave my bins in the public road and NEVER return it back our property. If I EVER get a fine, I will go to court over it because of that!
How many years has it taken for some residents to even put out/take in bins on the right days. ? Still many cannot do it. Take a look round the HMO ghettoes to see bins left all week on the pavements and the wrong things in the recycle bins. Does anyone ever get fined for leaving bins out all week ?
Queen Victoria, Southampton says...
9:29pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Old Man of the Sea, seven seas says...
9:37pm Wed 10 Feb 10
bravebeth, Hove says...
6:44am Thu 11 Feb 10
southy, redbridge says...
11:44am Thu 11 Feb 10
Old Man of the Sea wrote:i got just the magnet to do that, a whaler magnet its ment to be able to lift 1 ton of iron in the water, dont know if its true or not never tired it out, but it is a very strong magnet, i aft to be carefull where i leave it.
A nice big magnet will fry the chip quite successfully. Be a good neighbour - do the entire street.
B. L., Springfield says...
1:16pm Thu 11 Feb 10
southy wrote:So THAT explains it! Sorry southy, you left yourself wide open for that one. :)
Old Man of the Sea wrote:i got just the magnet to do that, a whaler magnet its ment to be able to lift 1 ton of iron in the water, dont know if its true or not never tired it out, but it is a very strong magnet, i aft to be carefull where i leave it.
A nice big magnet will fry the chip quite successfully. Be a good neighbour - do the entire street.
Marks & Spencer are one of the many firms which has signed up for the voucher reward scheme.
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Bevois Valley Resident, says...
12:15pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Recycling still uses a lot of energy and costs money - it's better not to use unnecessary packaging in the first place.
This type of scheme is rather shortsighted - something which targets businesses such as supermarkets and makes them pay to collect and recycle packaging would have a far greater impact on reducing waste.