Concern at use of ‘dangerous weapon’ by Hampshire Police (From This is Hampshire)

So what. This doesn't tell us anything. It could be that the number of officers trainined in its use has increased so there are more tasers in use. Anyway, if crims don't do what is asked by police then they get the consequences. Better this than police getting stabbed or worse shot at.
They don't use them for no apparent reason. They obviously have to report their use knowing its got to be justified. Think ourselves lucky we aren't in USA where they use them a lot more with less restrictions!

If you give weapons to thugs, they'll use them.

My favourite example is the man in a diabetic coma that was repeatedly tasered by the police for refusing to get up.

Redback wrote:
If you give weapons to thugs, they'll use them.

My favourite example is the man in a diabetic coma that was repeatedly tasered by the police for refusing to get up.

An interesting story that you can verify or is it one you just choose to believe?

if one punch can kill, the use of a taser against anyone threatening violence is completely justified, and amnesty should know better than to say otherwise.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

Redback wrote: If you give weapons to thugs, they'll use them. My favourite example is the man in a diabetic coma that was repeatedly tasered by the police for refusing to get up.

An interesting story that you can verify or is it one you just choose to believe?

There was an incident in Leeds where a man was tasered when in a diabetic coma, this was just after the London bus bombing, and concerns were that he was refusing to respond to instructions prior to blowing him self up. Whereas the one you refer to was in Chicago several years ago. In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used.
As others have pointed out the figures quoted tell us nothing.


A ten fold increase in use from one to ten occasions when it was used! Is hardly a great increase.

The total number of times these have been used or deployed is less than the number of newly allocated tasers

There is also an indication of good management as the article states that they tasers have been deployed on some 37 occasions but then not used which seems to be a good indicator of the negotiation skills of the police.

They appear to be making a positive impact saving injury to the police and to people intent on self harm.

From where I sit, the amount of violent Chavvington's on our streets has increased ten-fold in recent years, so a ten-fold increase in the use of these weapons is fully justifiable. Tasars should also be given to hard working civilians too.

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

Redback wrote:
If you give weapons to thugs, they'll use them.

My favourite example is the man in a diabetic coma that was repeatedly tasered by the police for refusing to get up.

An interesting story that you can verify or is it one you just choose to believe?

It's not just a story from some bloke down the pub Derek. I would post a link, but the Echo tend to delete those.

Just google 'taser' and 'diabetic'.

Why didn't you just do that in the first place?

Shoong wrote:
Amnesty International - friend of the Terrorist & the Criminal.

An obnoxious comment from Shoong who must wear his badge of ignorance with pride. What a moron.

Stay local said:

"In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used."

What complete rubbish.

You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not.

Try thinking before you type FFS.

Shoong wrote:
Amnesty International - friend of the Terrorist & the Criminal.

The article says:-
"Amnesty International described Tasers as dangerous weapons that caused excruciating pain.
Spokesman Oliver Sprague said they must only be fired when there is a serious threat of loss of life or injury."
I think you will see from this statement that Amnesty International and the police are in full agreement on the deployment of tasers.
So, perhaps you would like to explain your totally unjustified comments on this worthwhile organisation that has consistently championed the oppressed in some of the most repressive and evil regimes in the world.

Redback wrote:

Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:

Redback wrote:
If you give weapons to thugs, they'll use them.

My favourite example is the man in a diabetic coma that was repeatedly tasered by the police for refusing to get up.

An interesting story that you can verify or is it one you just choose to believe?

It's not just a story from some bloke down the pub Derek. I would post a link, but the Echo tend to delete those.

Just google 'taser' and 'diabetic'.

Why didn't you just do that in the first place?

Interesting story which demonstrates that anyone can make a mistake. A painful reminder that he should have been watching his blood-sugar more closely but all's well that ends well.

Redback wrote:
Stay local said: "In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used." What complete rubbish. You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not. Try thinking before you type FFS.

In both case weapons were used ego if the weapons were guns then death is likely. Please think before posting!

Redfield wrote:
So what. This doesn't tell us anything. It could be that the number of officers trainined in its use has increased so there are more tasers in use. Anyway, if crims don't do what is asked by police then they get the consequences. Better this than police getting stabbed or worse shot at.
They don't use them for no apparent reason. They obviously have to report their use knowing its got to be justified. Think ourselves lucky we aren't in USA where they use them a lot more with less restrictions!

Agree with most of your post, all but the last sentence. "...in the USA where they use them a lot more with less restrictions!". Where did you come up with that interesting piece of information, or is just an assumption ?

stay local wrote:

Redback wrote:
Stay local said: "In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used." What complete rubbish. You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not. Try thinking before you type FFS.

In both case weapons were used ego if the weapons were guns then death is likely. Please think before posting!

You really think that the police would have shot a man in the same situation?

Really?


Really?


*facepalm*

Oh, and the word you're looking for is 'ergo'. If you're going to try and look clever by using latin, it helps if you spell it right.

providing tasers are used when police are actually being confronted by a persons with an identified type of weapon or a lunging attack is being made i dont have a problem but if some one is mouthing off or non responsive another form should be used if a person is tasered and suffers ill effect that officer who fired will have to be brought to book and if an officer continues to use his/her taser excessively over a given period he/she should also be brought to book that should cut out the Audy Murphy's in the force as we all know some may be trigger happy because they could get away with it and enjoy administering pain

Redback wrote:

stay local wrote:

Redback wrote: Stay local said: "In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used." What complete rubbish. You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not. Try thinking before you type FFS.

In both case weapons were used ego if the weapons were guns then death is likely. Please think before posting!

You really think that the police would have shot a man in the same situation? Really? Really? *facepalm*

Admittedly most of the time police have no choice but to use these tools. But to keep on making excuses for every police action is just as wrong as blaming them even when they are right.
Yes police have shot some innocent people. The worse case was when a child was shot in bed during raid in Birmingham few years ago. Man who was shot in his Mini while waiting at traffic lights in London had no criminal background whatsoever. Somebody shot because he was carrying a table leg, and what about that poor man from Brazil? So Redback’s criticism of original post is unfair.

bobbyboy wrote:
providing tasers are used when police are actually being confronted by a persons with an identified type of weapon or a lunging attack is being made i dont have a problem but if some one is mouthing off or non responsive another form should be used if a person is tasered and suffers ill effect that officer who fired will have to be brought to book and if an officer continues to use his/her taser excessively over a given period he/she should also be brought to book that should cut out the Audy Murphy's in the force as we all know some may be trigger happy because they could get away with it and enjoy administering pain

Thanks that is very intelligent and well balanced comment.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Redback wrote:

stay local wrote:

Redback wrote: Stay local said: "In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used." What complete rubbish. You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not. Try thinking before you type FFS.

In both case weapons were used ego if the weapons were guns then death is likely. Please think before posting!

You really think that the police would have shot a man in the same situation? Really? Really? *facepalm*

Admittedly most of the time police have no choice but to use these tools. But to keep on making excuses for every police action is just as wrong as blaming them even when they are right.
Yes police have shot some innocent people. The worse case was when a child was shot in bed during raid in Birmingham few years ago. Man who was shot in his Mini while waiting at traffic lights in London had no criminal background whatsoever. Somebody shot because he was carrying a table leg, and what about that poor man from Brazil? So Redback’s criticism of original post is unfair.

You appear to have supported my point by providing further examples rather than challenging it.

???

One point which is rarely mentioned is the fact that there are several different models of 'Taser'.
They vary in the voltage, the range, the type of pulsed current, the cut-off.
The type authorised for use in the UK by the Home Office are of the lower power type.
In the USA, different States have their own laws, some allow the most powerful Tasers available.
As a result most of the horror stories start in the USA and 'Urban Myth' moves them to whatever country the teller some from.
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The Taser in the UK is technically a Firearm, Unless the law has change recently and it is exempt for some reason??

To anyone who thinks that they know the wonders of nature, think on this:-
I visited an aunt in Ivybridge just after christmas. She is keeping a mix of small animals in the same compound in her back garden; 2 rabbits, 1 hedgehog, a ferret and what looks like a guinea pig.
Each animal eats, sleeps, plays and toilets, without the interference of the others.
Now, what would happen if she only fed them with apple skins?

warness wrote:
To anyone who thinks that they know the wonders of nature, think on this:-
I visited an aunt in Ivybridge just after christmas. She is keeping a mix of small animals in the same compound in her back garden; 2 rabbits, 1 hedgehog, a ferret and what looks like a guinea pig.
Each animal eats, sleeps, plays and toilets, without the interference of the others.
Now, what would happen if she only fed them with apple skins?

Well the ferret would probably not go hungry, The coneys and the cavy would be beyond caring. The Hedgehog would pick up the scraps, meat and all.
Nice place, Ivybridge. I remember when the A38 went right through it.

X Old Bill wrote:

warness wrote: To anyone who thinks that they know the wonders of nature, think on this:- I visited an aunt in Ivybridge just after christmas. She is keeping a mix of small animals in the same compound in her back garden; 2 rabbits, 1 hedgehog, a ferret and what looks like a guinea pig. Each animal eats, sleeps, plays and toilets, without the interference of the others. Now, what would happen if she only fed them with apple skins?

Well the ferret would probably not go hungry, The coneys and the cavy would be beyond caring. The Hedgehog would pick up the scraps, meat and all. Nice place, Ivybridge. I remember when the A38 went right through it.

What is the name of that big hill at the back of town? I think it leads to Dartmoor?

In the US they are using them on kids, and when I say kids, Im talking about 10 year olds.
http://www.msnbc.msn
.com/id/34014497/

There are many cases in the US including the guy in a diabetic coma :
http://www.courthous
enews.com/2009/12/28
/23144.htm

And yet the uk law states, their rules not ours, that a taser should only be used in circumstances which would require the discharge of a gun.

now in the north wrote:
In the US they are using them on kids, and when I say kids, Im talking about 10 year olds. http://www.msnbc.msn .com/id/34014497/ There are many cases in the US including the guy in a diabetic coma : http://www.courthous enews.com/2009/12/28 /23144.htm And yet the uk law states, their rules not ours, that a taser should only be used in circumstances which would require the discharge of a gun.

Excuse me?

I was asking a question about the large hill behind Ivybridge in Devon!

warness wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:

warness wrote: To anyone who thinks that they know the wonders of nature, think on this:- I visited an aunt in Ivybridge just after christmas. She is keeping a mix of small animals in the same compound in her back garden; 2 rabbits, 1 hedgehog, a ferret and what looks like a guinea pig. Each animal eats, sleeps, plays and toilets, without the interference of the others. Now, what would happen if she only fed them with apple skins?

Well the ferret would probably not go hungry, The coneys and the cavy would be beyond caring. The Hedgehog would pick up the scraps, meat and all. Nice place, Ivybridge. I remember when the A38 went right through it.

What is the name of that big hill at the back of town? I think it leads to Dartmoor?

Western Beacon maybe, It is nearer to Bittaford but it is quite large and maybe classed as a Tor.

I've been present when a tasar has been deployed on three occasions. All three occasions have been because the person has been in possession of a knife and they were not adhering to police requests. The ambulance service is called to all possibilities of a tasar deployment as the police are not trained to remove them (or at least they weren't when I went to my last one around 5 months ago). Each job took at least 2 hours. They don't just turn up and shoot them. It's a last resort.

Redback wrote:
Oh, and the word you're looking for is 'ergo'. If you're going to try and look clever by using latin, it helps if you spell it right.

My goodness, the ability to spot a typing error! Quick rush out and do this person a whole brownie point.

Redback wrote:

stay local wrote:

Redback wrote: Stay local said: "In both cases that people who were tasered have recovered and they would not be alive if guns had been used." What complete rubbish. You're claiming that the police would have shot dead a man lying motionless on the floor of an empty, stationary bus. I ****ing well hope not. Try thinking before you type FFS.

In both case weapons were used ego if the weapons were guns then death is likely. Please think before posting!

You really think that the police would have shot a man in the same situation? Really? Really? *facepalm*

Let's try again,

We are not debating the rights and wrongs of whether people in a diabetic coma should be shot with a taser gun or not. Quite clearly this should not happen. In the cases cited this has happened, and question which I asked which you completely failed to answer with your fatuous comment was, what was the expected level of injury had these people been short with a gun (one containing bullets) rather than a taser gun.

Further I would request that you refrain from using profanity's, even if the Echo website kindly deletes the offensive words, moreover the graphical nature of your language I find it be somewhat immature, perhaps you could try and indulge me somewhat by responding in a more appropriate manner.

Profanities? (Why the apostrophe?)

FFS stands for For Flip's Sake. Eny fule no that.

No, I won't answer you're question, because it's irrelevant. It's what's known as a 'strawman' argument. The regulatory control over the police use of handguns is stricter than tasers, so you're not comparing like with like.

And to be frank, I don't give a fig whether you find my 'graphical' language offensive. Your wooden delivery and inept spelling and grammar makes my eyes bleed, but I have to put up with it nonetheless.

Or were you referring to '****ing'? That was my typing, not the Echo's software. If you fill in the asterisks with a profanity, that's your problem, not mine.

'Pecking'? 'Fooling'? 'Nodding'? Your choice.

There's a test for you above by the way. Come on, it's an open goal! Can you spot it, or will you spoon it wide?