Outbreak of Mumps prompts vaccine calls (From This is Hampshire)

Had mumps when i was 12, not very nice at all, looked like a constapated hamster for 2 weeks.
Testicles still swollen though, ...which was nice.

A few years ago a doctor, lacking in experience, claimed that the MMR vaccination was the cause of learning problems in some children, which resulted in many parents not getting their children vaccinated.

Despite reassurances from the medical profession that the vaccination was not to blame, their advice was not taken, and many children have suffered as a result.

A similar thing is happening with the flouride situation. Those in the know assure us that its introduction is not a health risk, but we have groups, with no scientific background, claiming that it is harmful.

I wonder how many of these anti-flouride protesters use salt, which is a combination of two poisons?

well i no cos i went to a meeting an asked kwestuns, mumble mumble dribble.... if u go 2 meetings u will be has clefer has wot i is, all this started wiv fatcher when she shut down the mines cos peple mumble mumble dribble, there his no need for mumps an the SP will do away wiv it cos its the rich that get it werse an they should share it out like wot i wuld if hi was in charge like i sed it wuld be at the meeting i went to to ask kwestuns

Pete_the_socialist wrote:
well i no cos i went to a meeting an asked kwestuns, mumble mumble dribble.... if u go 2 meetings u will be has clefer has wot i is, all this started wiv fatcher when she shut down the mines cos peple mumble mumble dribble, there his no need for mumps an the SP will do away wiv it cos its the rich that get it werse an they should share it out like wot i wuld if hi was in charge like i sed it wuld be at the meeting i went to to ask kwestuns

Proof that not all nuts grow on trees!

Pete_the_socialist wrote:
well i no cos i went to a meeting an asked kwestuns, mumble mumble dribble.... if u go 2 meetings u will be has clefer has wot i is, all this started wiv fatcher when she shut down the mines cos peple mumble mumble dribble, there his no need for mumps an the SP will do away wiv it cos its the rich that get it werse an they should share it out like wot i wuld if hi was in charge like i sed it wuld be at the meeting i went to to ask kwestuns

Grow up....

For the love of God, parents, take your kids to have the MMR vaccination. It is NOT dangerous.

I hope the parents of the children who didn't get the MMR jab when they should have are happy in bringing back two diseases that were almost 'extinct' in this country. I realise that they were only listening to what a professional was advising but come on, newspapers are always reporting on what is good and bad for you and this changes each week. My kids are fine and they had the MMR jab in the hysteria heyday.

Pete_the_socialist wrote:
well i no cos i went to a meeting an asked kwestuns, mumble mumble dribble.... if u go 2 meetings u will be has clefer has wot i is, all this started wiv fatcher when she shut down the mines cos peple mumble mumble dribble, there his no need for mumps an the SP will do away wiv it cos its the rich that get it werse an they should share it out like wot i wuld if hi was in charge like i sed it wuld be at the meeting i went to to ask kwestuns

Not a very cleaver impersonation of our southy. Grow up.

That's meant to be clever - not cleaver.
Which wasn't very clever of me, was it?

Linesman wrote:
A few years ago a doctor, lacking in experience, claimed that the MMR vaccination was the cause of learning problems in some children, which resulted in many parents not getting their children vaccinated.

Despite reassurances from the medical profession that the vaccination was not to blame, their advice was not taken, and many children have suffered as a result.

A similar thing is happening with the flouride situation. Those in the know assure us that its introduction is not a health risk, but we have groups, with no scientific background, claiming that it is harmful.

I wonder how many of these anti-flouride protesters use salt, which is a combination of two poisons?

Not sure your analogy stands up to scrutiny. There are many scientists and medics who ARE opposed to the current proposal to fluoridate our water supplies, whereas the medical community are in almost complete agreement over MMR
Also, when you say "Those in the know assure us that its introduction is not a health risk" it brings back to me the reassurances given to the public over nvCJD.
Can you not remember Gummer feeding that burger to his unwilling daughter and the chorus of government scientists all telling us "beef is safe"? It wasn't though, was it?

Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Condor Man wrote:
Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Another Party Political Broadcast by Condor Man......it all becomes pretty tiresome.

Walter Kurtz wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Another Party Political Broadcast by Condor Man......it all becomes pretty tiresome.

In this case he's right - Blair was more than happy to use his kids when it suited him but very publicly failed to endorse the MMR jab.

Condor Man wrote:
Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

And if Tony Blair had endorsed it, with his medical qualifications, you would have been convinced?

DCM wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Another Party Political Broadcast by Condor Man......it all becomes pretty tiresome.

In this case he's right - Blair was more than happy to use his kids when it suited him but very publicly failed to endorse the MMR jab.

I would have thought saying at the time that he wouldn't endorse something that wouldn't be safe for his own child is pretty unequivocal. His own childs' medical records are rightly confidential as are all of ours. The Conservative Party were typically opportunistic by changing their policy to endorse the 3 x single vaccinations which only served to fuel the uncertainty surrounding the MMR jab.

Walter Kurtz wrote:

DCM wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Another Party Political Broadcast by Condor Man......it all becomes pretty tiresome.

In this case he's right - Blair was more than happy to use his kids when it suited him but very publicly failed to endorse the MMR jab.

I would have thought saying at the time that he wouldn't endorse something that wouldn't be safe for his own child is pretty unequivocal. His own childs' medical records are rightly confidential as are all of ours. The Conservative Party were typically opportunistic by changing their policy to endorse the 3 x single vaccinations which only served to fuel the uncertainty surrounding the MMR jab.

Telling people that his kids have had the MMR jab is hardly the same as releasing their medical records. He should have said that his kids had had it, if it were true of course. I'm no Tory by the way, they disgust me in pretty much everything they say or do.

Mumps is actually a very mild disease in children, although I agree there can be complications in adults. It very rarely causes fatalities.
Measles, while not quite so mild as mumps, causes few problems in well nourished children.
Rubella presents almost no problems if infected in childhood.
While I accept vaccination/immunisa
tion has been a great benefit in the prevention of some seriously dangerous and deadly illnesses (smallpox, polio, TB, etc), I do question it's benefits for these relatively mild illnesses, particularly in a developed society.
I think far better to get these diseases in childhood, as almost everybody did until 40 years ago. This gives lifelong future protection - not necessarily the case with MMR.
These vaccines can then be reserved for the very few who are unfortunate not to become infected in childhood.
The problem we have at the moment, due to the unfounded MMR scare, is there are many individuals who have no protection what-so-ever and will enter adulthood with the risk of severe complications if they do subsequently catch any of these diseases.
The body’s natural defences against these 3 diseases have been honed by natural selection over the past few millennia so that they are now mild illnesses in healthy children. Vaccination threatens to upset this state of affairs (unless there is a worldwide 100% uptake) by reducing considerably the likelihood of experiencing infection in childhood.
It seems to me the pharmaceutical industry has sold us a product we had no need of – and not for the first time I may add.

freefinker wrote:
Mumps is actually a very mild disease in children, although I agree there can be complications in adults. It very rarely causes fatalities. Measles, while not quite so mild as mumps, causes few problems in well nourished children. Rubella presents almost no problems if infected in childhood. While I accept vaccination/immunisa tion has been a great benefit in the prevention of some seriously dangerous and deadly illnesses (smallpox, polio, TB, etc), I do question it's benefits for these relatively mild illnesses, particularly in a developed society. I think far better to get these diseases in childhood, as almost everybody did until 40 years ago. This gives lifelong future protection - not necessarily the case with MMR. These vaccines can then be reserved for the very few who are unfortunate not to become infected in childhood. The problem we have at the moment, due to the unfounded MMR scare, is there are many individuals who have no protection what-so-ever and will enter adulthood with the risk of severe complications if they do subsequently catch any of these diseases. The body’s natural defences against these 3 diseases have been honed by natural selection over the past few millennia so that they are now mild illnesses in healthy children. Vaccination threatens to upset this state of affairs (unless there is a worldwide 100% uptake) by reducing considerably the likelihood of experiencing infection in childhood. It seems to me the pharmaceutical industry has sold us a product we had no need of – and not for the first time I may add.

Not such a mild disease for boys. It often causes sterility.

Linesman wrote:

freefinker wrote:
Mumps is actually a very mild disease in children, although I agree there can be complications in adults. It very rarely causes fatalities. Measles, while not quite so mild as mumps, causes few problems in well nourished children. Rubella presents almost no problems if infected in childhood. While I accept vaccination/immunisa tion has been a great benefit in the prevention of some seriously dangerous and deadly illnesses (smallpox, polio, TB, etc), I do question it's benefits for these relatively mild illnesses, particularly in a developed society. I think far better to get these diseases in childhood, as almost everybody did until 40 years ago. This gives lifelong future protection - not necessarily the case with MMR. These vaccines can then be reserved for the very few who are unfortunate not to become infected in childhood. The problem we have at the moment, due to the unfounded MMR scare, is there are many individuals who have no protection what-so-ever and will enter adulthood with the risk of severe complications if they do subsequently catch any of these diseases. The body’s natural defences against these 3 diseases have been honed by natural selection over the past few millennia so that they are now mild illnesses in healthy children. Vaccination threatens to upset this state of affairs (unless there is a worldwide 100% uptake) by reducing considerably the likelihood of experiencing infection in childhood. It seems to me the pharmaceutical industry has sold us a product we had no need of – and not for the first time I may add.

Not such a mild disease for boys. It often causes sterility.

Often? No.
Occasionally in teenagers and adults, although still rare in absolute terms, but very, very rarely in pre-teen males.

Parents refusing MMR are not only putting their own children at risk, but also the children of others due to the 'herd immunity' effect.

"Dr" Andrew Wakefield has much to answer for. He's probably responsible for more harm than Shipman.

what short memory you lot got. a case ended last year after 16 years of court battle a pay out of over 1million plus court costs all because of that jab mmr cause brain damage to a young baby girl here in southampton there is a high number of cases around the country that are drawing to an end because of this mmr jab can cause brain damage. check with back dated echo it was published.

DCM wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:

DCM wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Had Blair come out and publically endorsed the MMR jab this would never have happened. My sons have had the single jabs.

Another Party Political Broadcast by Condor Man......it all becomes pretty tiresome.

In this case he's right - Blair was more than happy to use his kids when it suited him but very publicly failed to endorse the MMR jab.

I would have thought saying at the time that he wouldn't endorse something that wouldn't be safe for his own child is pretty unequivocal. His own childs' medical records are rightly confidential as are all of ours. The Conservative Party were typically opportunistic by changing their policy to endorse the 3 x single vaccinations which only served to fuel the uncertainty surrounding the MMR jab.

Telling people that his kids have had the MMR jab is hardly the same as releasing their medical records. He should have said that his kids had had it, if it were true of course. I'm no Tory by the way, they disgust me in pretty much everything they say or do.

because of the problems with the mmr jab, i think you find the advice was for each parent/s to decide for them selfs. having each of the jabs singly over a 6 week period in young adults on reaching puberty seems it dont cause problems like they use to do it 30 years ago, but giving the multi jab is running a risk.

southy wrote:
what short memory you lot got. a case ended last year after 16 years of court battle a pay out of over 1million plus court costs all because of that jab mmr cause brain damage to a young baby girl here in southampton there is a high number of cases around the country that are drawing to an end because of this mmr jab can cause brain damage. check with back dated echo it was published.

Well Southy I have no memory of a girl receiving a vaccine damage payout due to the MMR vaccine, so I looked around the web. The Echo, does not have any story of a payout for vaccine damage. Jenny McCarthy's site generation rescue does not have any link to a child receiving a payment of the MMR damage (Jenny McCarthy runs an aggressive anti-vaccination campaign) the BBC News site when you look back through its archive has no link to any child receiving money for damage due to the MMR vaccine. There is a link to a child in Wales who received the DTP vaccine. There is a suggestion of a class action against the drug manufacturer in this case. But yet again there is no evidence of this and the company concerned has yet to be fined, or even found responsible.



There are numerous studies on the safety of the MMR vaccine. These are large scale studies comprising more than a million children who have received the MMR jab. There is no greater incidence of autism or other problems associated with this group when compared to a similar group who did not receive the jab.



The anti-vaccination groups associated with the MMR vaccine have made various claims about the cause within the MMR jab which leads to autism. For many years they were blaming a preservative known as thimerosal. Which was never in the MMR vaccine. Many people against the MMR vaccine claim to the rise in autism mirrors the uptake of vaccine which contained the thimerosal preservative. But since there was no thimerosal in the MMR vaccine, clearly this was wrong.

I also found another website called Jenny McCarthy's body count, this site tracks the number of preventable diseases which children have now caught, and deaths as a result of these diseases and the number of autism diagnoses linked and confirmed to the MMR vaccine or any other vaccine. Currently the site states that 55,288 people caught and suffered from either measles mumps or rubella some 501 people died from these diseases, and a number of cases where vaccine has been established is causing a person's autism is zero. The site can be found at.

www.jennymccarthybod
ycount.com

other sites of interest are

www.badscience.net

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/
health/4311613.stm

www.immunisation.nhs
.uk/Vaccines

www.bupa.co.uk/healt
h_information/html/h
ealth_news/150208_mm
r_autism.html

Now Southy please details where your story came from, it is not acceptable just to say "last year in the Echo" give us the date and the story title, even the web page. Because as usual your evidence is weak, nonexistent, based upon rumour and completely fatuous.

If this is how you wish to conduct yourself in political circles I suggest you resign now.

stay-local go and look again because i know its there and the echo did run a article on the subject last year. or you could go over to the bridges at redbridge in the summer, i know the family do drive over there on nice days, so you be able to have a chat with the guy personally and be able to see the girl your self.
oh this is brain damage and not autism, autism is another matter, but basic what happen the family refused to let them give the child the mmr jab, but the advice was it was perfectly safe and convince the parents to let them go ahead and give the jab to there baby girl.
and its not rumour its fact, hard cold fact some thing that many on here cant handle.

Southy, punch MMR in the search option in the top right hand corner and you too will see that there is no such story.

It's not a case of people not being able to handle facts...... most of the facts only actually exist in your little world.

I would like to say that although we dont agree on many subjects, I did think that you were a better person than to try to put your political point over in the obituary comments the other day...... it just proved that you maybe aren't the caring person would to think you are!!!

Just because a vaccine caused damage to an individual does NOT mean it should be withdrawn. It has to be balanced against the harm of NOT giving the vaccine.

Sorry Southy, but you're no Goldacre.

No Southy the way it works is you make a claim AND provide the evidence.

It is not good enough to simply say go over to the bridges at Redbrige in the summer. Is there any independent verification of your claims? This is not the first time this has happened but I keep hoping you have learned only for me to be sadly let down!

Between 1st April 2000 and the 7th of June 2006 there were only 21 people who received a payout for vaccine damage (source they work for you .com) {uk parliamentary question answered by Anne McGuire (Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Disabled People), Department for Work and Pensions; Stirling, Labour)} during that time period there were 1164 applications and this is for all types of vaccine and not specifically MMR.

If you search the Echo archive between the dates of 1/1/2006 and the 2nd of March 2010 there are five stories flagged under the category of vaccine damage. None of them relate to a girl who has brain damage from the MMR jab.

I have done your research for you which is what you should have done before hand!

Now give us the dates and the names involved. Otherwise I and others will assume you are lying, and this will apply for all future articles!

Redback wrote:
Just because a vaccine caused damage to an individual does NOT mean it should be withdrawn. It has to be balanced against the harm of NOT giving the vaccine.

Sorry Southy, but you're no Goldacre.

once maybe you be right, but its happened to many times, and there is a problem with this multi jab. and the case that i mention is just one of many.
remember they said the same about philomide and look at the problems that cause and they said the same about that it was safe.

stay local then you are missing some, it was in the echo, and going to the bridges this summer you can get first hand information. all it takes is a little bit of your time to find out first hand information. if you ask the guy he will show you all the paper work about the case.
you might need to go to the echo office it self to read up on the story i dont know if it ever went on the echo web site.

southy, redbridge says...
10:29pm Fri 19 Mar 10
“check with back dated echo it was published.”

southy, redbridge says...
12:17pm Sat 20 Mar 10
“stay-local go and look again because i know its there and the echo did run a article on the subject last yea.r”

southy, redbridge says...
2:39pm Sat 20 Mar 10
“you might need to go to the echo office it self to read up on the story i dont know if it ever went on the echo web site.”

So which one is the lie? You are now claiming that a headline story of a girl being award damages due to vaccine damage was reported in the Echo, but not picked up by other newspapers did not get national coverage and did not go on the web site. You are saying it was not newsworthy that one of the 21 people in the country and is local actually received a payment for injuries sustained from the MMR jab.

The groups trying to stall the vaccination process would have had a field day with this and plastered it all over their web sites, but strangely it is missing. The only rational conclusion is that you are making up your facts to suit your cause, and based on previous experience this is a common factor normally to try a score a political point,( which sadly just reflects on how untrustworthy your and your cronies are).

none of its a lie stay local so stop trying to twist words, like i said i know it there with in the echo service in it self, i pretty sure it made front page of the echo. and there was a picture of the girl has she was lasr year, has for the nationals i could not tell you, if it was a record pay out for a medical blunder (bad advice) then it would of made the nationals but it was not a record pay out theres been much higher ones
by the way there was more than 21 payouts last year by the the health care has a whole in the uk, it runs into the thousands most pay outs are minor and dont hit the news papers not even local papers.
if you like to wait till the summer and has soon has i come across the guy i find out the date of the pay out, i know the case was heard in london and not local, this guy dealt with it him self and the only help he had was from his lawer he did need any body else help over the matter it was fully under control by the lawer in question

Good grief Southy you are really squirming.

To make it easier I will only post short statements.

There were only 21 awards for vaccine damage between the years of April 2000 and March 2006

There were only 2 payments for vaccine damage in 2006.

Southy please stop accusing me of twisting your words you are doing that for your self by changing your statement, because I have used your words from your statements written yesterday and today to show how you have changed your point as it becomes untenable.

Your latest story isabout a man who was not in the news is that he but his daughters photo was on the front page of the echo, that he went to court with just his lawer, won a record payment but the echo did not run the story as it was not of interest.



Come on Southy get real, a land mark payout for vaccine damage would be world news not just the echo or national. It would have been picked up and plastered over all the anti vaccination sites.

"this guy dealt with it him self and the only help he had was from his lawer he did need any body else help over the matter it was fully under control by the lawer in question"

You really are incredibly stupid aren't you Southy !

stay local there have been more than 21 pay out last year most you dont get to hear off, and i know this one did get publish by the echo, i was please to hear he finally got a result after a long time fighting the case, if you cant be bother to go along to bridges in the summer or wait till i see the guy person then i can get date for you to check up on, you are a lost cause.
cyber your the silly one, all i am saying he did not need any help from any other partys.

Stay Local widen your search, Before you put your foot init, I have come across a 1.2 Million pounds pay out. Awared by the courts in April 2009 to a Southampton family for a brain damage child.

Southy,
The best advice to someone finding themselves in a hole is "stop digging".

Get it right wrote:
Southy,
The best advice to someone finding themselves in a hole is "stop digging".

well tell that to stay local.
that sounds like the one paul linford

Paul Linford wrote:
Stay Local widen your search, Before you put your foot init, I have come across a 1.2 Million pounds pay out. Awared by the courts in April 2009 to a Southampton family for a brain damage child.

Please address this to Southy he is the one who has made the suggestion that someone he knows goes near the bridge at Redbridge in the summer, went to court by themselves, but were represented by a lawyer and was awarded a sum of money.

He claims this was compensation for injuries caused by the MMR jab or may be for bad advice.

It was Southy who suggested this was the case and therefore he should be the one showing where his information can be found.
He is the one who frequently comes up short to mention a few.
The lost ice rinks of Tower Park and Bideford. The SBS Air rifles.

The Standard Southy rant is


1 An outlandish claim.


2 The claim changes and the previous claim is denied.


3 We are told to go and look it up for our selves but with out any reference (try googling “family who go near the bridge in Redbridge in the summer”)



So Southy the hole is your please keep digging!

stay local wrote:

Paul Linford wrote:
Stay Local widen your search, Before you put your foot init, I have come across a 1.2 Million pounds pay out. Awared by the courts in April 2009 to a Southampton family for a brain damage child.

Please address this to Southy he is the one who has made the suggestion that someone he knows goes near the bridge at Redbridge in the summer, went to court by themselves, but were represented by a lawyer and was awarded a sum of money.

He claims this was compensation for injuries caused by the MMR jab or may be for bad advice.

It was Southy who suggested this was the case and therefore he should be the one showing where his information can be found.
He is the one who frequently comes up short to mention a few.
The lost ice rinks of Tower Park and Bideford. The SBS Air rifles.

The Standard Southy rant is


1 An outlandish claim.


2 The claim changes and the previous claim is denied.


3 We are told to go and look it up for our selves but with out any reference (try googling “family who go near the bridge in Redbridge in the summer”)



So Southy the hole is your please keep digging!

Stay Local If I can find out abit about it, then surley there is more to it.
I find like many others on here Southy is a great source of information, He nornally right about his information, And when he is not, he his very close.
I shall be taking a trip around to the Echo Office also I will take a walk over the bridges in the Summer. Only because I am interested in finding out more. After all that is very good advice that Southy gave, and I will not dismiss Southy has easley has few poster,s do.
An old man that I use to play darts with at Totton Conservative Club, Once told me "Just because a man stands alone against the many, do not make him wrong"

Unless Southy can provide a good, reliable and checkable source for his information it is not possible to confirm it.

Southy claimed that a girl finally received a payment of some 1.2 million for medical damage due to vaccine.

When asked how he knew this and where it can be verified there is nothing.

Southy needs to be able to back up his claims.

You will see people in the paper and on the news saying they have seen Jesus in a piece of toast… But they still have the piece of toast so you can also look and make an assessment.

Evidence is not…well I heard it from a friend. If that as the case we would all believe that the royal family were in fact giant lizards who suck human blood (See David Icke)


So Southy you stated
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southy, redbridge says...
10:29pm Fri 19 Mar 10
what short memory you lot got. a case ended last year after 16 years of court battle a pay out of over 1million plus court costs all because of that jab mmr cause brain damage to a young baby girl here in southampton there is a high number of cases around the country that are drawing to an end because of this mmr jab can cause brain damage. check with back dated echo it was published.

So the evidence needed is quite specific.
The details of a payout for damage caused by the mmr jab. Not for medical negligence.

SOUTHY PROVIDE EVIDENCE NOT ANECDOTES

stay local wrote:
Unless Southy can provide a good, reliable and checkable source for his information it is not possible to confirm it.

Southy claimed that a girl finally received a payment of some 1.2 million for medical damage due to vaccine.

When asked how he knew this and where it can be verified there is nothing.

Southy needs to be able to back up his claims.

You will see people in the paper and on the news saying they have seen Jesus in a piece of toast… But they still have the piece of toast so you can also look and make an assessment.

Evidence is not…well I heard it from a friend. If that as the case we would all believe that the royal family were in fact giant lizards who suck human blood (See David Icke)


So Southy you stated
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southy, redbridge says...
10:29pm Fri 19 Mar 10
what short memory you lot got. a case ended last year after 16 years of court battle a pay out of over 1million plus court costs all because of that jab mmr cause brain damage to a young baby girl here in southampton there is a high number of cases around the country that are drawing to an end because of this mmr jab can cause brain damage. check with back dated echo it was published.

So the evidence needed is quite specific.
The details of a payout for damage caused by the mmr jab. Not for medical negligence.

SOUTHY PROVIDE EVIDENCE NOT ANECDOTES

"You will see people in the paper and on the news saying they have seen Jesus in a piece of toast"
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Can you back up this claim of yours?

stay local its not my problem if you have a short memory now is it (that is if you read the echo), like i said go to the echo office and look it up in back issues of the echo. the evidence is there for you to check up on. and/or go to the bridges in the summer and get it from the horses mouth, that is your second place to look for the evidence. this is also not my problem if you cant be bothered to do for your self.
its not my fault if you rely on internet information only, that is in-correct, has errors, or in-compleat or a combination of all 3, any person that is in search for good true knowledge only use web sites has a starting point, and do not rely on it.
and your specific evidence would be going to the bridges in the summer and chatting the guy in concern this would be your best and first hand evidence, where if you ask he will show you the letters, he has shown me enough of them over the years.

southy wrote:
stay local its not my problem if you have a short memory now is it (that is if you read the echo), like i said go to the echo office and look it up in back issues of the echo. the evidence is there for you to check up on. and/or go to the bridges in the summer and get it from the horses mouth, that is your second place to look for the evidence. this is also not my problem if you cant be bothered to do for your self. its not my fault if you rely on internet information only, that is in-correct, has errors, or in-compleat or a combination of all 3, any person that is in search for good true knowledge only use web sites has a starting point, and do not rely on it. and your specific evidence would be going to the bridges in the summer and chatting the guy in concern this would be your best and first hand evidence, where if you ask he will show you the letters, he has shown me enough of them over the years.

Come on this is rubbish.

“I met a man in the park near the bridge but don’t know his name. We are so friendly he showed me the court papers relating to the brain damage of his daughter as he happened to have them with him.”

Sadly it is your problem to provide the evidence to back up your claim and the fact that you have never done this only indicates that you are deceitful, ignorant or deluded.

Please go to your local library and get the book numbered 397 744 It will help to clarify for you the need to provide evidence when you make outlandish claims. There are copies available at the Shirley library but the one at Lordshill is out on loan.

stay local wrote:

southy wrote:
stay local its not my problem if you have a short memory now is it (that is if you read the echo), like i said go to the echo office and look it up in back issues of the echo. the evidence is there for you to check up on. and/or go to the bridges in the summer and get it from the horses mouth, that is your second place to look for the evidence. this is also not my problem if you cant be bothered to do for your self. its not my fault if you rely on internet information only, that is in-correct, has errors, or in-compleat or a combination of all 3, any person that is in search for good true knowledge only use web sites has a starting point, and do not rely on it. and your specific evidence would be going to the bridges in the summer and chatting the guy in concern this would be your best and first hand evidence, where if you ask he will show you the letters, he has shown me enough of them over the years.

Come on this is rubbish.

“I met a man in the park near the bridge but don’t know his name. We are so friendly he showed me the court papers relating to the brain damage of his daughter as he happened to have them with him.”

Sadly it is your problem to provide the evidence to back up your claim and the fact that you have never done this only indicates that you are deceitful, ignorant or deluded.

Please go to your local library and get the book numbered 397 744 It will help to clarify for you the need to provide evidence when you make outlandish claims. There are copies available at the Shirley library but the one at Lordshill is out on loan.

stay local you been told where to get the first hand information its not rubbish at all, its just you unwilling to go and find out for your self and expect every one else to hand things on a plate to you. the best evidence comes from the base first hand knowledge, and that takes any individual to go and find out for them selfs, and theres no outlandish claims, all it will take is you to go to the bridges in the summer and ask, there is 6 people that go there regular very summer just for a chat and the bass fishing. even any one of those 6 people will tell you the same, and they will also give you the pointer to the guy in concern. i do not do other peoples work for them.

southy wrote:

stay local wrote:

southy wrote: stay local its not my problem if you have a short memory now is it (that is if you read the echo), like i said go to the echo office and look it up in back issues of the echo. the evidence is there for you to check up on. and/or go to the bridges in the summer and get it from the horses mouth, that is your second place to look for the evidence. this is also not my problem if you cant be bothered to do for your self. its not my fault if you rely on internet information only, that is in-correct, has errors, or in-compleat or a combination of all 3, any person that is in search for good true knowledge only use web sites has a starting point, and do not rely on it. and your specific evidence would be going to the bridges in the summer and chatting the guy in concern this would be your best and first hand evidence, where if you ask he will show you the letters, he has shown me enough of them over the years.

Come on this is rubbish. “I met a man in the park near the bridge but don’t know his name. We are so friendly he showed me the court papers relating to the brain damage of his daughter as he happened to have them with him.” Sadly it is your problem to provide the evidence to back up your claim and the fact that you have never done this only indicates that you are deceitful, ignorant or deluded. Please go to your local library and get the book numbered 397 744 It will help to clarify for you the need to provide evidence when you make outlandish claims. There are copies available at the Shirley library but the one at Lordshill is out on loan.

stay local you been told where to get the first hand information its not rubbish at all, its just you unwilling to go and find out for your self and expect every one else to hand things on a plate to you. the best evidence comes from the base first hand knowledge, and that takes any individual to go and find out for them selfs, and theres no outlandish claims, all it will take is you to go to the bridges in the summer and ask, there is 6 people that go there regular very summer just for a chat and the bass fishing. even any one of those 6 people will tell you the same, and they will also give you the pointer to the guy in concern. i do not do other peoples work for them.

This is getting really silly.

The way it works is like a game of cards you have to show your hand.

I can just as easily claim that a friend of mine whose name
I cannot remember but who walks his dog on sunny day in the park at Weston common had his claim for vaccine damage refused.

The government report by Anne Maguire is a case of public record, it was a written answer in parliament which states there have only been 21 successful cases between April 2000 and June 2006 out of 1164 claims, they have not broken this down into the different vaccines.

Source http://www.theyworkf
oryou.com/wrans/?id=
2006-06-16c.76172.h

As for asking the local fishermen if they know the answer, is it not “well it was that big but it got away”, meaning they have caught nothing and are just lying?

New source –times online edition date 26/may/2008

‘To date there has been no successful legal challenge to MMR in the UK. There is a Vaccine Damage Payments Unit which was set up in 1979, following concerns that the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine could cause brain damage (the vaccine has since been changed).
However, compensation is capped at £120,000 (including legal costs) and disability thresholds are high. Only two out of 53 claims were successful in the year to April 2008 - neither of them for autism.’
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/childr
en_shealth/3354907/M
MR-The-debate-that-w
ont-go-away.html

And here are details of the first ever case in the UK to seek compensation over the MMR jab. This was in Jan 2010, which is after you claim the family you know were successful. They have not won their case yet they have only been granted legal aid!

Full source.
http://www.wigantoda
y.net/wigannews/MMR-
mum-makes-legal-hist
ory.5952381.jp

So now Southy I am happy to call you a deluded liar, its your turn to prove me wrong bring on the evidence…….waiti
ng ……….still waiting…………

it dont work like playing cards, the information is out there you been giving pointers in a direction to go, its now up to you if you interested enough to follow it up. if your not really interested say so, and asking those guys that get over the bridges every summer, will tell you the same because they all have spoken to the guy, and seen the young girl in question, and if ask they will tell you or point out the guy it concerns so you can go and personally go and talk to the guy in person and get first hand information. its up to you no one else.
and that 2010 first case is just bs and you know it. it just the last one know to date, this vaccine has been around since 1971 and went world wide just after 1998. and there has been known problems with this vaccine most are just minor and need not to worry about, no vaccine is 100% safe for 100% of the population

Southy you are a liar and cannot provide the information you rely on.

Give us the details of the girl you say has received compensation for damage caused by the MMR jab.

Or perhaps admit you made a mistake, and it was not the vaccine but some other cause as you suggested in one of your waffles.

Show or shut up.

stay local wrote:
Southy you are a liar and cannot provide the information you rely on.

Give us the details of the girl you say has received compensation for damage caused by the MMR jab.

Or perhaps admit you made a mistake, and it was not the vaccine but some other cause as you suggested in one of your waffles.

Show or shut up.

i not a liar it a case of you being bloody lazy to get off your back side and going to see and talk to people. you rely on information from the net and you take it that has being gospel when its not more often the case it has errors.

one of the systems ( side effect ) to this vaccine is a fever a high temperature, it is well known that if your body temperature gets to high it can kill, or it could cause brain damage and this could of been the case here, and if you done your research right you would of come across known deaths cause though this vaccine.

if want to find out do what paul linford is willing to do and that is go round to the echo office and having a wonder over the bridges, but you will not your to lazy to get out there and find out. the internet is not a reliable source of information but its a reasonable point to get started from.
you will find that very good politicians, news paper reporters and others that want good information do not quote from the internet because its to unreliable and full of errors

systems should be symptoms

southy wrote:

stay local wrote: Southy you are a liar and cannot provide the information you rely on. Give us the details of the girl you say has received compensation for damage caused by the MMR jab. Or perhaps admit you made a mistake, and it was not the vaccine but some other cause as you suggested in one of your waffles. Show or shut up.

i not a liar it a case of you being bloody lazy to get off your back side and going to see and talk to people. you rely on information from the net and you take it that has being gospel when its not more often the case it has errors. one of the systems ( side effect ) to this vaccine is a fever a high temperature, it is well known that if your body temperature gets to high it can kill, or it could cause brain damage and this could of been the case here, and if you done your research right you would of come across known deaths cause though this vaccine. if want to find out do what paul linford is willing to do and that is go round to the echo office and having a wonder over the bridges, but you will not your to lazy to get out there and find out. the internet is not a reliable source of information but its a reasonable point to get started from. you will find that very good politicians, news paper reporters and others that want good information do not quote from the internet because its to unreliable and full of errors

Southy the court case is a matter of public record and some what more reliable than a fisherman, this is a document in the public domain (on the web), it would have been widely reported in news papers, not only that worldwide anti vaccination groups have been seeking the holy grail of a successful case in the uk.

Yet you tell me the echo did not run the story, non pressure groups have picked it up but a set of fishermen near Redbridge know all about.

That it really pathetic

Please remember this is not the first time you have blatantly lied to try and keep your point. Do you remember the Tower park ice rink that you went to once a month except it was not there and you refused to believe people even when we had phoned tower park and been told they did not have one.

Your record of being reliable is non existent, and I have given you the chance to redeem your self.

Souhty you are a liar and cannot be honest enough to admit your mistakes, I am worried if your comrades hold similar views especially when they are hoping to get elected.

So once again please prove me wrong!!

stay local it is not a lie, like i said if you can not be bothered to spare a moment of your time to go over there and find out for your self, then there is nothing any one can do, and not all court cases are open to the public to see.
go over there and find out for your self, best knowledge is all ways first hand information, you be able to talk the man him self or is it that this part scares you to much, that you been relying on the internet for your information for so long that it scares you to much to find out a lot of internet information is wrong. because that what its sounding like. hard cold facts are not found on the internet.
the proof is there to prove your wrong but you are not willing or unwilling to go and find out for your self in a person to person contact, and let this man show you his evidence in letters and documents.

southy wrote:
stay local it is not a lie, like i said if you can not be bothered to spare a moment of your time to go over there and find out for your self, then there is nothing any one can do, and not all court cases are open to the public to see. go over there and find out for your self, best knowledge is all ways first hand information, you be able to talk the man him self or is it that this part scares you to much, that you been relying on the internet for your information for so long that it scares you to much to find out a lot of internet information is wrong. because that what its sounding like. hard cold facts are not found on the internet. the proof is there to prove your wrong but you are not willing or unwilling to go and find out for your self in a person to person contact, and let this man show you his evidence in letters and documents.

Southy I realise that you are finding it difficult to understand the idea of the burden of proof.
So try this scenario:-

I with some fishermen claim to have seen a space ship with little green men. So the four of us tell this to the echo and the local news channel.

You disbelieve my story, and I ask you to prove there are no little green men. As you can see this holds a slight problem, the need to prove a negative outcome.

This is similar to the request you keep making. To disprove your lies I have to show every court case held in London for the year in question was not about a girl winning her case of damages due to the MMR vaccine.

Whereas you, the fountain of knowledge and information have been asked to provide the positive proof.

This would be the equivalent of me and the fisherman producing a photo or part of a space ship etc.

So once again Southy you are a liar who cannot stand it when you are caught out you make up things to fit your story and then change them when you are found out. You are scared of facing up to the truth that you lie despite me giving you countless opportunities to come clean , I even suggested that you could be partially right in that there was a case but not specifically for the MMR vaccine. But on each occasion you come up short.

Even your one supporter who alleges that there is a case reported in the Echo that supports your story has failed to help you by giving the date of any information on where we can see this information, which they claim to have seen.

So once again Southy you are a liar and I will repeat this at every one of your posting until you finally come up with the goods.


Sothy lies, he makes up stories to fit his version of the truth.

stay local why dont you just say, your not interested in what other people know and you are unwilling to get up of your lazy back side to find out.

i have giving you the places to find out the truth.

and keeping on twisting words will not help you one bit, i said ask those regular fisherman that get over there every year to do a bit of bass fishing about it and they will tell you the same, and why because they have spoken to same guy has i have done, this guy take his girl over there because it relaxs her, and it gives him a chance to talk to people out side the home. looking after his daughter is a full time job for both parents.
stop relying on the internet for your information theres way to many errors in it, get your self out and about and find out the real truth and not your fantasy of the internet world.

For goodness sake can you not understand it?


You have made a claim.



I have asked for the details of that claim.



You tell me you heard it from fishermen and I am supposed to accept that as fact. What planet are you from?


“I heard it from fishermen” is an anecdote.



From me here are the details from January this year to say that no one in the UK has made a successful claim for damage due to the MMR vaccination.



This completely counters your lies (claim), that some you met fishing who know some one else when to high court on their own but were supported by a solicitor won a land mark case for injuries due to the MMR vaccine.



Details here:- (copy and paste the link into your browser and it will then take you there.)



http://www.familyhea
lthcare.org.uk/news/
mmr-jab-victory-for-
government-compensat
ion.shtml




Or are you just a liar who cannot tell the truth?




So now you must provide evidence to the contrary

I have just got back from the Echo Office, You owe Southy an apology Stay Local.
The story is there for you to and check up on.

stay local wrote:
For goodness sake can you not understand it?


You have made a claim.



I have asked for the details of that claim.



You tell me you heard it from fishermen and I am supposed to accept that as fact. What planet are you from?


“I heard it from fishermen” is an anecdote.



From me here are the details from January this year to say that no one in the UK has made a successful claim for damage due to the MMR vaccination.



This completely counters your lies (claim), that some you met fishing who know some one else when to high court on their own but were supported by a solicitor won a land mark case for injuries due to the MMR vaccine.



Details here:- (copy and paste the link into your browser and it will then take you there.)



http://www.familyhea

lthcare.org.uk/news/

mmr-jab-victory-for-

government-compensat

ion.shtml




Or are you just a liar who cannot tell the truth?




So now you must provide evidence to the contrary

AT no point has Southy said he heard it from fisherman, He has said that they know about it also. You do like to twist people words.
Southy has told you the places to get the right information.

Paul Linford wrote:
I have just got back from the Echo Office, You owe Southy an apology Stay Local. The story is there for you to and check up on.

So why not tell people what the story is??
I have just got back from Redbridge the fisherman I met said I needed to see the other chap who had left before I got there he is acalled Elvis and was riding on a horse called Shergar!!

Go on spill the beans.
Was it thecase where the record payment was made for damage due to the MMR vaccine?