University of Southampton jobs at risk as funding is cut (From This is Hampshire)

"there was “good local provision of academic sports programmes at other higher education institutions in the region.” "
SO GO THERE AND DONT WASTE MONEY DUPLICATING IT

I fail to see the academic benefit of a sports degree. Degrees should revert back to academic subjects, which of course are more demanding and will mean that the government won't hit their 50% student target.

Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

Optimism rules OK wrote:
Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change.
Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

Jammy Donut wrote:
"there was “good local provision of academic sports programmes at other higher education institutions in the region.” "
SO GO THERE AND DONT WASTE MONEY DUPLICATING IT

and they would at what location, this degree is for sport teachers.

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:
Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change.
Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:
Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change.
Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Optimism rules OK wrote:

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Someone had a tough time at school then.....

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Someone had a tough time at school then.....

I didn't have a tough time at school, and I never took P.E. as an option subject, but the majority of P.E. teachers (from my experience) are power hungry leeches.

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

Although you're right that it's important to have well trained PE teachers this clearly isn't in line with Southampton University's strategy. The fact of the matter is that UK students don't bring in a lot of money to a University, foreign students and research money does. The University is already very good at attracting foreign students so now it's targeting increasing research money - this also helps improve its rankings. Sports studies has little or no research benefit so it'll be dropped to allow more funding for academic courses which do bring in the money. Makes total sense to me - Solent is the type of University that should be offering these courses.

Optimism rules OK wrote:

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Someone had a tough time at school then.....

I didn't have a tough time at school, and I never took P.E. as an option subject, but the majority of P.E. teachers (from my experience) are power hungry leeches.

If you didn't take it as an option then presumably you have limited experience of PE teachers?
Anyhow, let's not argue. Like teachers of all subjects, you have good ones and bad ones. Better training should equal better teachers.

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Someone had a tough time at school then.....

I didn't have a tough time at school, and I never took P.E. as an option subject, but the majority of P.E. teachers (from my experience) are power hungry leeches.

If you didn't take it as an option then presumably you have limited experience of PE teachers?
Anyhow, let's not argue. Like teachers of all subjects, you have good ones and bad ones. Better training should equal better teachers.

well, we had 5 years of compulsory P.E., 4 lessons a week, but there was the optionals which added more onto the timetable, 5 years worth of hearing rubbish from ill educated hyped up 'teachers' who's mentality is to shout for 2 hours straight is enough to have an opinion on them.

A sports degree doesn't necessarily mean they wish to be a PE teacher. Just thought i would point that out.

Personally I think most PE teachers are bullies.

If other teachers carried on like they do they would get the sack. They are supposed to teach those who dont have a flair for PE not shout and belittle students.

And as for needing a degree in PE what a load of rubbish, I would of thought 6 months training max would give exactly the same poor results.

PE degrees are for people with very little academic abilities who want to prance around for 4 years and then at best go and work in an office! This is why people dont value degrees like they used to, theyve been diluted into namby pamby useless qualifications.

What a waste of public funds, cut the course and concentrate on good core subjects.

Lauren1990 wrote:
A sports degree doesn't necessarily mean they wish to be a PE teacher. Just thought i would point that out.

Please enlighten me on what other career you can embark on with a degree in sport?

Optimism rules OK wrote:

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

DCM wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote:

southy wrote:

RJCogburn wrote:

Optimism rules OK wrote: Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There were always plenty of sports teachers before "sports degrees" existed so I don't expect that to change. Unfortunately this type of course has got some further education establishments a bad image. The view of many members of the public is that these degree courses are easy options for those who want to exploit further education. All public services and state funding is being squeezed and this type of course would be cut with minimal resistance when other priorities are of greater concern.

the problem with the old type sports teachers was that they was untrained and caused a number of minor injuries, to studens, they also have to know a lot more. and is not an easy option has you may think

I wasn't being negative about less PE teachers, in fact, the less of them the better. All they do is shout and scream at people that aren't good at sport and demean people, all because they had a poor education, and want to blame it on everyone else...

Someone had a tough time at school then.....

I didn't have a tough time at school, and I never took P.E. as an option subject, but the majority of P.E. teachers (from my experience) are power hungry leeches.

If you didn't take it as an option then presumably you have limited experience of PE teachers?
Anyhow, let's not argue. Like teachers of all subjects, you have good ones and bad ones. Better training should equal better teachers.

well, we had 5 years of compulsory P.E., 4 lessons a week, but there was the optionals which added more onto the timetable, 5 years worth of hearing rubbish from ill educated hyped up 'teachers' who's mentality is to shout for 2 hours straight is enough to have an opinion on them.

Judging by the obesity problem we have with our youth, I would suggest we need MORE PE teachers to "shout and scream" - and get these couch potatoes exercising a lot more than they do.

Optimism rules OK wrote:

Lauren1990 wrote: A sports degree doesn't necessarily mean they wish to be a PE teacher. Just thought i would point that out.

Please enlighten me on what other career you can embark on with a degree in sport?

Sports technician, researcher, coaching, promotion.....You can't be a teacher without a PGCE.....My brother is currently undertaking a sports studies degree and wants to go on to work within sports science.

Too many students doing too many useless degrees as a result of government targets to get 50% of people into Uni. Totally unrealistic and just produces graduates who are not fit for the workplace.

They could also stop the so called "Media" degrees for which there are no jobs

Jammy Donut wrote:
They could also stop the so called "Media" degrees for which there are no jobs

Actually, the standard of reporting in the Echo suggests that there should be at least a few jobs available.

freefinker wrote:

Jammy Donut wrote: They could also stop the so called "Media" degrees for which there are no jobs

Actually, the standard of reporting in the Echo suggests that there should be at least a few jobs available.

Very, very true.

I love the comments about PE teachers, from experience many had chips on shoulders when dealing with more academic members of staff.

WHAT PLANET DO YOU LOT LIVE ON?

You are all so small minded it is unreal. You believe that a sports degree sets your future as a PE teacher in stone. You believe that sports degrees are a waste of time, and apparently there are no jobs for media degree students??

I suggest that
a) you take a look at the course synopsis before making assumptions on the final career path
b) you look at some successful examples of where sports degrees are helping people, for example, those with sports degrees educating younger people about the benefits associated with sport, particularly team sports which are essential to the enhancement of a childs confidence and ability to work as apart of a team.
c) you find out the facts before stating publicly that there are no jobs in Media. There are in fact LOTS of well paid jobs in media.

In addition, what is the problem with students? You seem to tarnish them all with the same brush and that is not a good thing. Have faith in the younger generation, after all, you will need their help when you become all and decrepit.

The public spending cuts, which we will be hearing a lot more about in the months ahead, have to be made somewhere. Some of the facilities chosen for the axe will bring howls of protest. I think we will have to get used to it.
I imagine that ex-military PE instructors make good recruits for schools. There must also be huge numbers of footballers, cricketers and rugby players who would also readily adapt to being teachers at the end of their professional careers.

News Fanatic wrote:
The public spending cuts, which we will be hearing a lot more about in the months ahead, have to be made somewhere. Some of the facilities chosen for the axe will bring howls of protest. I think we will have to get used to it. I imagine that ex-military PE instructors make good recruits for schools. There must also be huge numbers of footballers, cricketers and rugby players who would also readily adapt to being teachers at the end of their professional careers.

This doesn't have anything to do with cost cutting, it's just a reallocation of resources.
But I agree with everything else you say.

jimbobbo wrote:
WHAT PLANET DO YOU LOT LIVE ON? You are all so small minded it is unreal. You believe that a sports degree sets your future as a PE teacher in stone. You believe that sports degrees are a waste of time, and apparently there are no jobs for media degree students?? I suggest that a) you take a look at the course synopsis before making assumptions on the final career path b) you look at some successful examples of where sports degrees are helping people, for example, those with sports degrees educating younger people about the benefits associated with sport, particularly team sports which are essential to the enhancement of a childs confidence and ability to work as apart of a team. c) you find out the facts before stating publicly that there are no jobs in Media. There are in fact LOTS of well paid jobs in media. In addition, what is the problem with students? You seem to tarnish them all with the same brush and that is not a good thing. Have faith in the younger generation, after all, you will need their help when you become all and decrepit.

Bit of a cheek when you accuse everybody of tarnishing students with the same brush when you've just done the same with the commentators here - not all the commentators are saying the same thing.
a) not everyone said that the only career path available was as a PE teacher.
b) not everybody said sports degrees were a waste of time.
c) only one person said that there were no jobs in media and he complains about everything anyway.
Indeed, if you'd read many of the stories on here about students you'd find that not everybody hates them. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
And by the way, if you feel the need to insult people who have a different point of view, you've already lost the argument.

Those who have already secured jobs in the media are young and probably give at least 25 years of service - recruitment is almost zero

Optimism rules OK wrote:
Sports degree's, I guess there will be less PE teachers then.

There's obviously a shortage of English teachers - it should be "fewer" PE teachers....

DCM wrote:

jimbobbo wrote:
WHAT PLANET DO YOU LOT LIVE ON? You are all so small minded it is unreal. You believe that a sports degree sets your future as a PE teacher in stone. You believe that sports degrees are a waste of time, and apparently there are no jobs for media degree students?? I suggest that a) you take a look at the course synopsis before making assumptions on the final career path b) you look at some successful examples of where sports degrees are helping people, for example, those with sports degrees educating younger people about the benefits associated with sport, particularly team sports which are essential to the enhancement of a childs confidence and ability to work as apart of a team. c) you find out the facts before stating publicly that there are no jobs in Media. There are in fact LOTS of well paid jobs in media. In addition, what is the problem with students? You seem to tarnish them all with the same brush and that is not a good thing. Have faith in the younger generation, after all, you will need their help when you become all and decrepit.

Bit of a cheek when you accuse everybody of tarnishing students with the same brush when you've just done the same with the commentators here - not all the commentators are saying the same thing.
a) not everyone said that the only career path available was as a PE teacher.
b) not everybody said sports degrees were a waste of time.
c) only one person said that there were no jobs in media and he complains about everything anyway.
Indeed, if you'd read many of the stories on here about students you'd find that not everybody hates them. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.
And by the way, if you feel the need to insult people who have a different point of view, you've already lost the argument.

With the exception of Lauren 1990 I think every other post circulates around my three points above.

Needless to say, I will not be able to change the minds of these people. I've been here before and I will be here again. Thus justifying my comment about small-mindedness.

Most people in the media are Oxbridge graduates who have studied Classics, English or History- just look at their wikipedia profiles. Very few people with media degrees make it at the BBC and other outlets. Reading the story it's a throw back from the New College/LSU days and didn't fit with the academic programme offered by the University proper.

Condor Man wrote:
Most people in the media are Oxbridge graduates who have studied Classics, English or History- just look at their wikipedia profiles. Very few people with media degrees make it at the BBC and other outlets. Reading the story it's a throw back from the New College/LSU days and didn't fit with the academic programme offered by the University proper.

"Look at their Wikipedia profiles". Says it all really.

I am appauled. I simply came onto this website to look at the reports about the cutting of the sports degrees and couldn't believe it when I saw all of this rubbish that was being said.
I completely agree with Jimbobbo when they said that perhaps people should actually look at the details before spouting all this rubbish that they think they know about - I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are.
First of all, I am insulted that you seem to think that this course has no intellect behind it - the University of Southampton is an extremely good university and all of us that got into the course all had to work extremely hard at it, gaining all B grades at A-Level. I am an extremely hard worker and got my place through this work, I gained all A*'s, A's and B's at GCSE, and got the right grades at A-Level taking not only PE, but English and Geogrpahy and gained all the right grades, so don't you dare tell me that we lack the academic abilities. I was also accepted into Exeter and Durham again, top universities for similar courses, proving that this is a worthwhile degree - ever heard of Loughborough?? perhaps you should do some research there.
Yeah, fine, this course may not be the same as medecine, or engineering, but that doesn't give people the right to insult us all. In fact, I live with a medic myself and she has said to me that she wished she had taken Sport at A-Level as although she had all the sciences, none of them gave her the knowledge into the human body - something, funnily enough she needed. I found myself helping her out with the anatomy and physiology when she started - yes, we do do modules in this.
Not only are you insulting the students when you say that this is a mickey mouse subject or such like, you are also insulting the lecturers, all extremely successful in their areas and amazing teachers to us.
I chose this degree not because I wasn't capable of doing anything else, I could actually have done anything I wanted if I really put my mind to it, but the sport industry interested me, I enjoy the science and really understanding how the body works, I chose this degree to do something that I would enjoy and not be pushed into something I wouldn't. To be honest, I think that this is a great degree to have, I now don't have a narrow focus, I have studied anatomy, biomechanics, physiology, psychology, law and history - all of which have opened doors to me in several areas of the industry, and no not just teaching - I don't even want to teach!!
I am by no means saying you have to have the brains of Britain to take this course, I have never thought that and I can see where the university is coming from with it's cuts, but that by no means gives people the right to rant on about things that they clearly have no idea about what so ever.