Southampton's £14m art complex plan hit by setback (From This is Hampshire)

Was it £2million wasted by John Arnold of New Labour on buying the white elephant from a business on the scheme he’d worked out on the back of a postage stamp? Perhaps people should be demanding that he sells his posh house in Highfield to pay towards his lunacy.
Now Royston Smith and his merry men have wasted another £1.2million on it.
All this proves is that while services have been cut, council tax raised, and jobs destroyed, the collective purse of tax payers is £3.2 million poorer.
It did not speak much of NuLabour’s ultra right winger John Arnold and does not say much about the ability of Royston Smith either. Arnold has already been confined to the dustbin of history; people should do the same to Tory Smith in May elections.

Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval.
Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

The photo looks to me like walking into the old Portsmouth Tricorn Centre, nothing but concrete and gauntness. What exactly do they mean by a cultural quarter? It probably wouldn't be acceptable if it was labelled as an English quarter so why call it one in the first place? No doubt this remark will be censored by the end of the day. lol.

If the arts council raised concerns that the changes were made from the original design, the question is who made or authorised the decision to make the changes?

I bet it was Royston Smith and his band of Tory sheep,

I bet they thought, if we put shops, cafe's and restaurants below the gallery no one will notice, it just goes to show the arrogance of the man and the Tory administration in this city.

My View from the Hill wrote:
If the arts council raised concerns that the changes were made from the original design, the question is who made or authorised the decision to make the changes?

I bet it was Royston Smith and his band of Tory sheep,

I bet they thought, if we put shops, cafe's and restaurants below the gallery no one will notice, it just goes to show the arrogance of the man and the Tory administration in this city.

Agree with everything you say - except the insult to sheep.
Despite popular belief they are actually quite intelligent animals.
If they were capable of understanding our species political systems, I'm quite sure none would opt to be Tory.

Perhaps it would be alot cheaper if they just built a normal, but modern building, without the fancy design features. They should focus more on the artistic merit of items/activities within the building as opposed to how the building itself looks.

geoff51 wrote:
Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval.
Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project.
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But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia
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SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

freefinker wrote:

My View from the Hill wrote:
If the arts council raised concerns that the changes were made from the original design, the question is who made or authorised the decision to make the changes?

I bet it was Royston Smith and his band of Tory sheep,

I bet they thought, if we put shops, cafe's and restaurants below the gallery no one will notice, it just goes to show the arrogance of the man and the Tory administration in this city.

Agree with everything you say - except the insult to sheep.
Despite popular belief they are actually quite intelligent animals.
If they were capable of understanding our species political systems, I'm quite sure none would opt to be Tory.

Apologies for insult to sheep, I agree they are intelligent, mind you have you seen Jeremy Moulton, if a man ever look like a sheep he does, they cut his hair they shear it.

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

Oh dear all that from one our ex service personnell..........
.Now what was it ...WRENS ot the RAPC Worthy Down

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

So senseofsouthampton, you say it will make the project economically viable, which I find hard to believe, do you know something we don't know, has the council leased these cafe's, shops and restaurants already?

If the project was economically viable viable, the council would not the need the funding in the 1st place.

By changing the designs and not informing the arts council, smacks of arrogance on behalf of the project lead, that lead being Southampton City Council, their cabinet member for economically development is Royston Smith, so it's his fault the funding is being held up.

As for your rant about national debt, do you honestly believe the Tories would have done any better?

Do you think they would have let the banks go bust? I think not my little Tory friend

Hands up who doesn't pay taxes in the UK.......just me then! just build it and shut up the lot of you,it's not as if any of your petty whining will make any difference anyway. I can see them all now sat there saying 'have you seen the echo website? freefinker and my view from the hill don't want it built, best ditch these plans now.

Retreat to Gandamack wrote:
Hands up who doesn't pay taxes in the UK.......just me then! just build it and shut up the lot of you,it's not as if any of your petty whining will make any difference anyway. I can see them all now sat there saying 'have you seen the echo website? freefinker and my view from the hill don't want it built, best ditch these plans now.

It's not about what I want or don't want, it about people in public office not changing designs without informing the funding organisation, that ultimately cost all of us money.
It about people acting in an arrogant manner, a bit like yourself retreat.

My View from the Hill wrote:

Retreat to Gandamack wrote:
Hands up who doesn't pay taxes in the UK.......just me then! just build it and shut up the lot of you,it's not as if any of your petty whining will make any difference anyway. I can see them all now sat there saying 'have you seen the echo website? freefinker and my view from the hill don't want it built, best ditch these plans now.

It's not about what I want or don't want, it about people in public office not changing designs without informing the funding organisation, that ultimately cost all of us money.
It about people acting in an arrogant manner, a bit like yourself retreat.

And, Retreat to Gandamack, can you point me to where I say I don't want it built?

Royston and his freemasons would prefer to milk each project dry rather than get anything built, they only care about the trips and all expenses paid days out.

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

Oh dear all that from one our ex service personnell..........

.Now what was it ...WRENS ot the RAPC Worthy Down

Resorting to scurrilous personal insults now you pathetic walking advertisement for abortion? I know denham thinks nothing of the sacrifices servicemen and women give for our country, now I know his paid assistants show equally pitiful disdain. I note your cowardice in attempting to mock my contribution to this country, I doubt you'd express your disgusting views amongst a group of veterans. Shame on you

Ian24 wrote:
Royston and his freemasons would prefer to milk each project dry rather than get anything built, they only care about the trips and all expenses paid days out.

Not cynical enough I'm afraid.
It's not "days out" but week long jollies

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

Oh dear all that from one our ex service personnell..........


.Now what was it ...WRENS ot the RAPC Worthy Down

Resorting to scurrilous personal insults now you pathetic walking advertisement for abortion? I know denham thinks nothing of the sacrifices servicemen and women give for our country, now I know his paid assistants show equally pitiful disdain. I note your cowardice in attempting to mock my contribution to this country, I doubt you'd express your disgusting views amongst a group of veterans. Shame on you

At least the Lone Ranger's put-downs are witty. Can't say the same about yours.
Also, you deserve them for your blinkered views and uncalled for rudeness.
And pulling the ex-servicewoman/man card out every time you are boxed in by rational argument is most unbecoming – and actually quite an insult to those currently at grave risk on the frontline. You haven’t got much sense, have you?

the whole deal was flawed from the start. Southampton doesn't really need another art gallery- there are 2 either side of the Tyrells site already. It really needs a proper venue to rival the Portsmouth Guildhall- ours is frankly poor. This was a plan set up by the Lib Dems, one of Adrian Vinson's pet projects, before anyone starts bashing the current council.

Also, let's stop being so rude. Whatever peoples beliefs we all have the rights to express them.

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

senseofsouthampton wrote:

Lone Ranger wrote:

geoff51 wrote: Why am I not surprised, most councils of any colour, red,blue or orange are totally incapable of running a city bhecause they are reliant on self important jobsworths in this corrupt Labour government for any scheme worth mentioning to recieve funding and approval. Go now Gordon before this country throws you out!

Wow...what has Brown going got to do with this Tory council and the change in the plans which gave cause to withold the funding for a short while

The answer to your question is depressingly simple, even for someone as politically blinkered as yourself. Your pal brown has given us the largest public debt in the peacetime history of this country, this in turn binds the hands of any public sector organisation, be they national or local government. Each of us now needs to pay back over £22k to pay for brown's monumental incompetence. It is inevitable that local projects will suffer all over the country - at least our council have had the vision to try

Well my little sad crusader if you bothered to read the article which may of course be beyond your capability you may just notice that the delay is due to changes in the project. . But of course you were only intent on slagging posters off rather than contibuting you usual sad little trait and of course your paranoia . SW ride-some....couldnt put it better myself...sonny

Your odious little biased comments seem flow forth like a nasty little case of the trotts. Is it too difficult for your limited mind to comprehend that these changes will make the project more economically viable, which make them all the more welcome after the mess brown has left this country in. National debt will exceed £1 trillion in a short period of time and yet there are deluded individuals carrying on like there is nothing wrong and trying to point score on local issues to keep your best pal denham in tax payer funded rugs, armchairs and book cases.

There are wider issues at stake. Open your eyes sonny, open your eyes.

Oh dear all that from one our ex service personnell..........


.Now what was it ...WRENS ot the RAPC Worthy Down

Resorting to scurrilous personal insults now you pathetic walking advertisement for abortion? I know denham thinks nothing of the sacrifices servicemen and women give for our country, now I know his paid assistants show equally pitiful disdain. I note your cowardice in attempting to mock my contribution to this country, I doubt you'd express your disgusting views amongst a group of veterans. Shame on you

Oh dear hit a nerve have we......dont dish it out if you cant take it back ...sonny.
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Not getting quite as personal as you as i have tackled sad ones like you before...you just have to try and find the things that make them bite....in your case it was easy.......had enough yet or do you want to post under another name to save further embarassment...sonny !!

Build the snow dome there ??? any more news on that ???