Visa limbo for church members stuck due to flight chaos (From This is Hampshire)

My family and I had a similar experience about 8 years ago when our plane took off on the return leg, then had to return to Trinidad due to engine problem. The next day we were all promised it had been fixed, so the plane took off again and you can guess what happened... Anyway, to be fair to the airline, they did put us up in hotels, but the constant traveling back and forth to the airport was very stressful! In the end all the passengers refused to get on the aircraft and the airline just put us on a different aircraft back to Heathrow. Good luck to Chris and his group, don't let the airline bully you. Personally I think the Echo should be naming and shaming the airline!

This would happen with forgien visitors in the UK.
The reason being that citizens and authorities in this country are not permitted to be racist or discriminate form religous beliefs.
But it goes to prove that those that are all to quick to shout about it to us in our own country, treat our nationals abroad just like they complain about.
Why don't those stuck in this situation claim racisium to the authorities in India..... ????
Probably becuase the authorites there won't give a monkey's uncle

Redfield wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote:
well put it down to your false god thats keeping you there. any way if they had any sense then they would of change there route to flying to south east france or south/ east of spain cross the country and then catch the ferry or euro train across, not very bright are those religious people.

you really are a bigot, so much for socialist equality. Your views on religion show you up for being totally intolerant of views that are opposed to yours.

your wrong condor i am very tolerant of any religion, its just that those religion are not tolerant to us atheist and has nothing to do with being a socialist.
he is one off those people and followers that complain like hell and tired to bar them, when a group of atheist went to a country to build a school and clinic and some homes and a micro dam to produce electric and supply fresh water to a small village, and never ask for any thing in return unlike them they incise that they go to there church that they built and pray to there god.
any way common sense would of told them to make plans for travel changes has soon has they heard and why and that it may or could be on going for a few weeks

For a start my friend your spelling and grammar is appalling. I can't work out what you are trying to say.

The fact of the matter is Brtish people are trying to get back to their homes ready for the start of the working week after the holidays. There are reportedly around one million brits stuck in airports around the world in similar circumstances.

It's about time the leaders of countries got their heads together and came up with a plan to get people back to where they want to be - someone to take a decisive lead - but that's asking too much I guess. Everyone's more interested in what the cost is going to be rather than the poor people who are stuck in airports and hotels like this group are.

well they can do what my brother has done, he change his flight plans he has flown in from the philippines to india then to italy then on to barcelona and is now some where between barcelona and le havre where he will catch the boat across to portsmouth and ring me to come and pick him up when on this side of the channel, and its all covered by the travel insurance.

i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

southy wrote:

Redfield wrote:

southy wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

southy wrote: well put it down to your false god thats keeping you there. any way if they had any sense then they would of change there route to flying to south east france or south/ east of spain cross the country and then catch the ferry or euro train across, not very bright are those religious people.

you really are a bigot, so much for socialist equality. Your views on religion show you up for being totally intolerant of views that are opposed to yours.

your wrong condor i am very tolerant of any religion, its just that those religion are not tolerant to us atheist and has nothing to do with being a socialist. he is one off those people and followers that complain like hell and tired to bar them, when a group of atheist went to a country to build a school and clinic and some homes and a micro dam to produce electric and supply fresh water to a small village, and never ask for any thing in return unlike them they incise that they go to there church that they built and pray to there god. any way common sense would of told them to make plans for travel changes has soon has they heard and why and that it may or could be on going for a few weeks

For a start my friend your spelling and grammar is appalling. I can't work out what you are trying to say. The fact of the matter is Brtish people are trying to get back to their homes ready for the start of the working week after the holidays. There are reportedly around one million brits stuck in airports around the world in similar circumstances. It's about time the leaders of countries got their heads together and came up with a plan to get people back to where they want to be - someone to take a decisive lead - but that's asking too much I guess. Everyone's more interested in what the cost is going to be rather than the poor people who are stuck in airports and hotels like this group are.

well they can do what my brother has done, he change his flight plans he has flown in from the philippines to india then to italy then on to barcelona and is now some where between barcelona and le havre where he will catch the boat across to portsmouth and ring me to come and pick him up when on this side of the channel, and its all covered by the travel insurance.

Easy when it's just one of you. Not so easy for a group that includes children

true redfield, but its there if its that important to get back. and its not has lo you be lugging luggage about, if you need to swop plane airport will do that for you. and your luggage dont go though customs check. it is possable to still be there this time next year, who knows what that volcano going to do next. this is how daff some english are, i have a friend that works down in pompy ferry port and he been saying the ships have been full going out where people trying to get home. but the ships coming back it just normal traffic. they put on extra people on the ferry quay wall to help out.
how do you think they use get on a party with kids. its no different. once they get to rome its possable to catch train thats link to the euro train link in paris.

southy wrote:
true redfield, but its there if its that important to get back. and its not has lo you be lugging luggage about, if you need to swop plane airport will do that for you. and your luggage dont go though customs check. it is possable to still be there this time next year, who knows what that volcano going to do next. this is how daff some english are, i have a friend that works down in pompy ferry port and he been saying the ships have been full going out where people trying to get home. but the ships coming back it just normal traffic. they put on extra people on the ferry quay wall to help out.
how do you think they use get on a party with kids. its no different. once they get to rome its possable to catch train thats link to the euro train link in paris.

I understand it's an India plane company ...... another news report I read says there's thousands stuck in New Dehli and in 43 degree heat. Not a good place to be stuck.

Redfield wrote:

southy wrote:
true redfield, but its there if its that important to get back. and its not has lo you be lugging luggage about, if you need to swop plane airport will do that for you. and your luggage dont go though customs check. it is possable to still be there this time next year, who knows what that volcano going to do next. this is how daff some english are, i have a friend that works down in pompy ferry port and he been saying the ships have been full going out where people trying to get home. but the ships coming back it just normal traffic. they put on extra people on the ferry quay wall to help out.
how do you think they use get on a party with kids. its no different. once they get to rome its possable to catch train thats link to the euro train link in paris.

I understand it's an India plane company ...... another news report I read says there's thousands stuck in New Dehli and in 43 degree heat. Not a good place to be stuck.

your right there that heat will get to you, its worse just before the rains come. but i sure he got some sort of travel insurance, most people have. maybe he should phone up his insurance up first to see what cover there is.

I went to Uni with a guy who drove a VW camper to India. He took a coach home from India to Turkey then on to Europe. Now they would have to go through places like Afghanistan and Iran to get home, unlikely that's going to happen.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with visas. The issue here is that their flights have been cancelled. The fact that they have now chosen to stay on in their hotel and not make the journey to the airport where the airline desk would be dealing with their questions and resolving their accommodation issues instead they have chosen to remain where they are, and I suspect are whingeing about their growing hotel bill.

Surely as good God-fearing Christians they would have taken adequate travel insurance cover to cater for such emergencies or perhaps they feel abandoned by their Redeemer and losing their faith.

stay local wrote:
This has nothing whatsoever to do with visas. The issue here is that their flights have been cancelled. The fact that they have now chosen to stay on in their hotel and not make the journey to the airport where the airline desk would be dealing with their questions and resolving their accommodation issues instead they have chosen to remain where they are, and I suspect are whingeing about their growing hotel bill.

Surely as good God-fearing Christians they would have taken adequate travel insurance cover to cater for such emergencies or perhaps they feel abandoned by their Redeemer and losing their faith.

careful stay i posted a bit how the mono religion kick up mary hell and tired to get a group of atheist banned from a country in asia, because they went there to built a school, clinic, some new homes, and a mirco dam to supply power and fresh water and never ask for any thing in return. where has the church go's there to do things then tells them they must pray in there church that they built there. that got removed.

Why should these Christians be treated differently from everyone else who is in a similar situation. The Indian authorities need to police and account for visitors to their country, and room has to be made at the hotels for the next batch of visitors who have booked their rooms. Indians are nice people and will look after Mr Kilby even though he might not appreciate the predicament that they are in themselves at the moment.

Send them to the Bangkok Hilton equivalent in Delhi

The 5000 were fed on five loaves, surley the half dozen smuggled nans should be enough????

I was taught by Mr Kilby at junior school many years ago and would have thought he may have had the intelligence, or maybe just the common sense to get in contact with the British embassy who will extend their visas in this circumstance. I would also like to add that travel insurances are refusing to pay any additional monies for the unexpected delays caused by this 'act of God' which is all well and good, however, is it an exception for Athiests who have no belief in such a thing?

I assume that by accepting smuggled food Chris Kilby is condoning theft......not very Christian is it?

southy wrote:

stay local wrote: This has nothing whatsoever to do with visas. The issue here is that their flights have been cancelled. The fact that they have now chosen to stay on in their hotel and not make the journey to the airport where the airline desk would be dealing with their questions and resolving their accommodation issues instead they have chosen to remain where they are, and I suspect are whingeing about their growing hotel bill. Surely as good God-fearing Christians they would have taken adequate travel insurance cover to cater for such emergencies or perhaps they feel abandoned by their Redeemer and losing their faith.

careful stay i posted a bit how the mono religion kick up mary hell and tired to get a group of atheist banned from a country in asia, because they went there to built a school, clinic, some new homes, and a mirco dam to supply power and fresh water and never ask for any thing in return. where has the church go's there to do things then tells them they must pray in there church that they built there. that got removed.

Southy,
This is rambling and meaningless, even for you. I think I understand the gist of what you are trying to say and I agree with your sentiments but you really do need to read what you have written if you wish to get your point over.

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

" . . . desisted from blaming others for their plight?"

If they feel compelled to moan about their personal predicament and blame someone, rather than accept personal responsibility for their choices and decisions in Life, then they should blame their God?

Get it right wrote:

southy wrote:

stay local wrote: This has nothing whatsoever to do with visas. The issue here is that their flights have been cancelled. The fact that they have now chosen to stay on in their hotel and not make the journey to the airport where the airline desk would be dealing with their questions and resolving their accommodation issues instead they have chosen to remain where they are, and I suspect are whingeing about their growing hotel bill. Surely as good God-fearing Christians they would have taken adequate travel insurance cover to cater for such emergencies or perhaps they feel abandoned by their Redeemer and losing their faith.

careful stay i posted a bit how the mono religion kick up mary hell and tired to get a group of atheist banned from a country in asia, because they went there to built a school, clinic, some new homes, and a mirco dam to supply power and fresh water and never ask for any thing in return. where has the church go's there to do things then tells them they must pray in there church that they built there. that got removed.

Southy,
This is rambling and meaningless, even for you. I think I understand the gist of what you are trying to say and I agree with your sentiments but you really do need to read what you have written if you wish to get your point over.

if you read the all the posts that was removed on sat then it would be clear to you.

clausentum wrote:

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

" . . . desisted from blaming others for their plight?"

If they feel compelled to moan about their personal predicament and blame someone, rather than accept personal responsibility for their choices and decisions in Life, then they should blame their God?

there was no bigotry involved, just what has happened in the pass and still happens today.

the fact is mono religion is allowed to attack atheist on mass, while atheists are not allowed to attack religion on mass.
tell me when was the last time you see on tv a atheist run down religion, and yet you get it at less 3 times a year on tv religion running down the atheist on tv.

what should be good for one, should be good for the other

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote:

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

" . . . desisted from blaming others for their plight?"

If they feel compelled to moan about their personal predicament and blame someone, rather than accept personal responsibility for their choices and decisions in Life, then they should blame their God?

there was no bigotry involved, just what has happened in the pass and still happens today.

the fact is mono religion is allowed to attack atheist on mass, while atheists are not allowed to attack religion on mass.
tell me when was the last time you see on tv a atheist run down religion, and yet you get it at less 3 times a year on tv religion running down the atheist on tv.

what should be good for one, should be good for the other

It's not me you need to convince!

It's the intolerant and defensive Christians, who pop up on this forum to castigate and rubbish anyone with a spiritual notion that is different to theirs. ;-)

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote:

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

" . . . desisted from blaming others for their plight?"

If they feel compelled to moan about their personal predicament and blame someone, rather than accept personal responsibility for their choices and decisions in Life, then they should blame their God?

there was no bigotry involved, just what has happened in the pass and still happens today.

the fact is mono religion is allowed to attack atheist on mass, while atheists are not allowed to attack religion on mass.
tell me when was the last time you see on tv a atheist run down religion, and yet you get it at less 3 times a year on tv religion running down the atheist on tv.

what should be good for one, should be good for the other

It's not me you need to convince!

It's the intolerant and defensive Christians, who pop up on this forum to castigate and rubbish anyone with a spiritual notion that is different to theirs. ;-)

lol oh very very true, dont you just love being an atheist.

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:

clausentum wrote:

clausentum wrote:

southy wrote:
i think i have hit on a sore note posts have been removed.

Maybe those people miffed with your bigotry and intolerance of organised religion were simply expressing their own bigotry and intolerance of your freedom to express free speech??

I would have thought a volcano blowing it's stack would be perceived as "an Act of God" and understood by the whinging religious tourists?

As "an Act of God" they might be expected to realise they had little or no control over events, and so expressed charitable sentiments towards their host Country and desisted from blaming others for their plight?

" . . . desisted from blaming others for their plight?"

If they feel compelled to moan about their personal predicament and blame someone, rather than accept personal responsibility for their choices and decisions in Life, then they should blame their God?

there was no bigotry involved, just what has happened in the pass and still happens today.

the fact is mono religion is allowed to attack atheist on mass, while atheists are not allowed to attack religion on mass.
tell me when was the last time you see on tv a atheist run down religion, and yet you get it at less 3 times a year on tv religion running down the atheist on tv.

what should be good for one, should be good for the other

It's not me you need to convince!

It's the intolerant and defensive Christians, who pop up on this forum to castigate and rubbish anyone with a spiritual notion that is different to theirs. ;-)

lol oh very very true, dont you just love being an atheist.

" . . . dont you just love being an atheist."

Most days.

Some days I feel persecuted as the Christians did at the hands of the Romans.

But when that happens I simply remember that religions, particularly the Christian religion, shoulder responsibility for fueling the discontent and the hate and the prejudice and the fear and the xenophobia that started most of the disgusting wars in the past 2,000 years.

Wars which resulted in so many millions of unnecessary deaths and wholesale suffering by innocent victims.

And when I remember those harsh lessons from history then I don't feel persecuted any longer, but relieved I didn't buy into their doctrine and it's silly rituals nor join their little club of compulsory intolerance with it's membership piously dismissing any non-believer as beyond the pale, or in league with Satan.

I can also love Christians and forgive them of their nonsense because "they know no better."

:-)

sotonbusdriver wrote:
This would happen with forgien visitors in the UK.
The reason being that citizens and authorities in this country are not permitted to be racist or discriminate form religous beliefs.
But it goes to prove that those that are all to quick to shout about it to us in our own country, treat our nationals abroad just like they complain about.
Why don't those stuck in this situation claim racisium to the authorities in India..... ????
Probably becuase the authorites there won't give a monkey's uncle

Sotonbusdriver, did you notice that nobody mentioned anything about racism in this article?

You rightly say that "this would happen with foreign visitors in the UK". If Indians did what the Britons did in India, in the UK, they would straight go to jail.

I don't quite understand why people are making a big deal out of it. This article is not about religion at all. And under Indian law, no foreigner is allowed to enter India without a visa, except for citizens of Maldives, Bhutan and Nepal.

But I do like your "monkey's uncle". Give my regards to him. :D

Redfield wrote:

southy wrote:
true redfield, but its there if its that important to get back. and its not has lo you be lugging luggage about, if you need to swop plane airport will do that for you. and your luggage dont go though customs check. it is possable to still be there this time next year, who knows what that volcano going to do next. this is how daff some english are, i have a friend that works down in pompy ferry port and he been saying the ships have been full going out where people trying to get home. but the ships coming back it just normal traffic. they put on extra people on the ferry quay wall to help out.
how do you think they use get on a party with kids. its no different. once they get to rome its possable to catch train thats link to the euro train link in paris.

I understand it's an India plane company ...... another news report I read says there's thousands stuck in New Dehli and in 43 degree heat. Not a good place to be stuck.

I don't quite see anything about an "India plane company". British Airways was mentioned there, however.

Brite Spark wrote:
Why should these Christians be treated differently from everyone else who is in a similar situation. The Indian authorities need to police and account for visitors to their country, and room has to be made at the hotels for the next batch of visitors who have booked their rooms. Indians are nice people and will look after Mr Kilby even though he might not appreciate the predicament that they are in themselves at the moment.

Yours is the only post which I think is the most appropriate comment. An Airside Transit Visa, as I know, does not allow anybody to roam around in the host country. The Churchy guys have broken the law by going out of the hotel. The Indian authorities have been very compassionate in allowing the stranded passengers to leave the airport and stay in a hotel outside the International Transit Zone. What the Churchy guys and their supporters need to recall that India is no lunger under British control. So, they can't have their own way there.

Opinionated hot mum wrote:
I was taught by Mr Kilby at junior school many years ago and would have thought he may have had the intelligence, or maybe just the common sense to get in contact with the British embassy who will extend their visas in this circumstance. I would also like to add that travel insurances are refusing to pay any additional monies for the unexpected delays caused by this 'act of God' which is all well and good, however, is it an exception for Athiests who have no belief in such a thing?

I doubt that the British High Comission (not "Embassy") in India has any authority to grant an Indian visa. :D :D

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India cannot afford to have any security risk, whatsoever, as it is already facing a lot of problems including terrorism and smuggling. If people are just allowed to go outside the airport without a visa, it will be making itself more vulnerable to spying and all kinds of other dangers.