Cyclist fights for life after crash (From This is Hampshire)

bicycles are so dangerous, especially on country roads

derek james wrote:
bicycles are so dangerous, especially on country roads

Na, its the riders that are dangerous, same for the P2Ws. I wonder if she was on the phone/ipod and not paying attention? Much though I hate over loud exhausts, some modern P2Wers are TOO quiet...

Either way lets hope they both recover and whomever is at fault is suitably dealt with!

Theres not enough info here to justify conjecture and there could be any number of reasons for the collision.
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Cycles, just as cars and motorcycles are not dangerous in themselves, neither are roads - it is the actions or inactions of it's user that cause us the problems.

Niel wrote:

derek james wrote: bicycles are so dangerous, especially on country roads

Na, its the riders that are dangerous, same for the P2Ws. I wonder if she was on the phone/ipod and not paying attention? Much though I hate over loud exhausts, some modern P2Wers are TOO quiet... Either way lets hope they both recover and whomever is at fault is suitably dealt with!

It always makes me laugh that people like you two feel the need to make such comments when you have no idea what happened!!! Nice sweeping generalizations too....fools!

Speedy Recovery to both the cyclist and Motorcyclist!!

downfader wrote:
Theres not enough info here to justify conjecture and there could be any number of reasons for the collision. . Cycles, just as cars and motorcycles are not dangerous in themselves, neither are roads - it is the actions or inactions of it's user that cause us the problems.

Well said, but I would say there are some dangerous/hazardous roads and at these locations there should be an adequate cycle way (I empathise adequate too) to not only protect cyclist but motorists too.

StEmmosfire wrote:

downfader wrote: Theres not enough info here to justify conjecture and there could be any number of reasons for the collision. . Cycles, just as cars and motorcycles are not dangerous in themselves, neither are roads - it is the actions or inactions of it's user that cause us the problems.

Well said, but I would say there are some dangerous/hazardous roads and at these locations there should be an adequate cycle way (I empathise adequate too) to not only protect cyclist but motorists too.

There is no such thing as a dangerous road.
We have a good set of codes and laws which, if followed, would ensure that the only accidents were caused by mechanical failure or natures intervention (like a dog running out)

StEmmosfire wrote:

downfader wrote: Theres not enough info here to justify conjecture and there could be any number of reasons for the collision. . Cycles, just as cars and motorcycles are not dangerous in themselves, neither are roads - it is the actions or inactions of it's user that cause us the problems.

Well said, but I would say there are some dangerous/hazardous roads and at these locations there should be an adequate cycle way (I empathise adequate too) to not only protect cyclist but motorists too.

Usually you can mitigate hazards - slowing down near junctions and bends in the roads a little... Plan an escape route by reading the road up ahead.. taking the time to analyse the traffic before pulling out. Thats not to say others will, obviously.
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However I think some make too much of cycle facilities as if it will cure these situations. Theres lots of stats on the CTC website to show that its not that clear cut and a few more hazards seem to present themselves. Offroad facilities have the hazard of vehicles exiting driveways, or being secluded in the case of some of the more scenic routes....
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....anyway I'm rambling now so I'll just add I hope both pull through ok.

Hello,

Both parties (of which I am one) are a lot better and the headline-grabbing comments on the site fortunately prove to be unfounded. Can I please pass on my very best wishes and thoughts to the cyclist

actually i wasn't commenting on this accident (as anyone with a molecule of intelligence might gather) but making a general statement as i've been knocked off a cycle twice in the last year through no fault of my own and i think national statistics bear this out "cycling is dangerous"

derek james wrote:
actually i wasn't commenting on this accident (as anyone with a molecule of intelligence might gather) but making a general statement as i've been knocked off a cycle twice in the last year through no fault of my own and i think national statistics bear this out "cycling is dangerous"

Not quite. We dont know how many people cycle as a grand total nationally so theres no means of establishing the true percentages.
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In fact, if you had read your national stats properly you would have seen that there are almost as many accidents in city centres, and the "country" stats also include offroading on mountain bike routes and park riding accidents away from motorised traffic.
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Cycling is not dangerous. As I said earlier it is our actions and the actions of others that make situations dangerous.
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"Molecule of intelligence" LMAO!!! Its "modicum" aint it? Didnt think you could attribute intelligence in molecules. :-)

romsonain wrote:
Hello, Both parties (of which I am one) are a lot better and the headline-grabbing comments on the site fortunately prove to be unfounded. Can I please pass on my very best wishes and thoughts to the cyclist

Glad you're on the mend!

Atpost wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

downfader wrote: Theres not enough info here to justify conjecture and there could be any number of reasons for the collision. . Cycles, just as cars and motorcycles are not dangerous in themselves, neither are roads - it is the actions or inactions of it's user that cause us the problems.

Well said, but I would say there are some dangerous/hazardous roads and at these locations there should be an adequate cycle way (I empathise adequate too) to not only protect cyclist but motorists too.

There is no such thing as a dangerous road. We have a good set of codes and laws which, if followed, would ensure that the only accidents were caused by mechanical failure or natures intervention (like a dog running out)

But wouldn't potholes or uneven surfaces make roads dangerous to drive on?