Coastguard cuts 'could cost lives' (From This is Hampshire)

I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

Details are available on http://www.mcga.gov.
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.htm I am still not sure how Safety is funded throughout the Country but it needs sorting quickly before lives are lost.

StEmmosfire wrote:
I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys.
the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:
I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys.
the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Sam you have just hit the nail on the head,well said!

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of?
Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money.
Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

StEmmosfire wrote:
I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the maritime coastguard agencey is goverment body @ both the RNLI @ INDEPENANT LIFEBOATS are charitys give a thought for the small guys

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I have ran a couple of charity runs for the RNLI. Good cause but always thought they should be funded by the Government. RNLI would deal with more inshore incidents I take it as opposed to the Maritime Coast Guard. So really no lives put at risk?

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

We give £7 billion to projects in third world countries. A part of this flows directly back into our country through the use of expensive British consultants. A major part of the rest is used to stop people dying of starvation and preventable disease - you want that to stop?
By the way, government spend is running at £631 billion - which makes international development just over 1%, hardly "all our money" is it?

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not!
With me, it is wine.
With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

Linesman wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not!
With me, it is wine.
With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

you get that from people who dont under stand lineman, one sign is when they come out with the same old saying :-"like a broken record" they just dont want the people to know the truth, unable to see where the errors was made. ect ect

Linesman wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not! With me, it is wine. With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

BOOM BOOM, Maybe you should have a glass or 2 and chill. Governments always have and always will have wine, get over it.

StEmmosfire wrote:
I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

then you come out with this.

" I have ran a couple of charity runs for the RNLI. Good cause but always thought they should be funded by the Government. RNLI would deal with more inshore incidents I take it as opposed to the Maritime Coast Guard. So really no lives put at risk? "

hummm

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not! With me, it is wine. With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

you get that from people who dont under stand lineman, one sign is when they come out with the same old saying :-"like a broken record" they just dont want the people to know the truth, unable to see where the errors was made. ect ect

What truth? That the House of Commons has always had a stocked up Wine Celler? When the Tories came in there was already £800,000 of wine in there that was bought by the Labour Government? You cant just keep bringing that up to defend your argument.

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

then you come out with this. " I have ran a couple of charity runs for the RNLI. Good cause but always thought they should be funded by the Government. RNLI would deal with more inshore incidents I take it as opposed to the Maritime Coast Guard. So really no lives put at risk? " hummm

Please explain your point Southy, maybe my original post is not being read in the way I intended it? I thought that in most cases beach holiday go'ers will be looked after by the RNLI, which is a charity.

The Coastguard is a government dept, run on the minimum of budget and they DO rescue and save people and coordinate search and rescue of other services like the independent lifeboats and of course the RNLI; utilising the coastguard rescue teams.
In this area the teams also provide a service as co-responders for South Central Ambulance Service.....is this being stopped too?
If so then lives really will be lost as the teams have attended hundreds of calls over the years, and saved countless lives.
I find it all very sad and I left the coastguard when to save money they introduced 'blue light driver training' by DVD........what a disgrace!
if I was a betting man i'd say they want the service to be taken over and run as a charity.........rath
er than a category one emergency service as listed under the Civii Contingencies Act. I feel sorry for the teams out there who give their time and do their bit to support the community, to have this decision made by a bureaucrat who was no idea of what they do, and how valuable a service they provide....

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not! With me, it is wine. With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

BOOM BOOM, Maybe you should have a glass or 2 and chill. Governments always have and always will have wine, get over it.

Yes! As you say, governments always have and always will have wine.
The point that I am trying to make, which appears to have escaped your notice, is that at a time when we are being asked to tighten our belts, it would be more appropriate for them to stock the cellar with English wine, rather than buying French, when the exchange rate is not in our favour.
Also, how do you and I, the British tax-payer, benefit from their 'investment' in wine?
They do not sell it at a profit, with the money going to the treasury!
Surely, at this period of fiscal restraint, that would be the excellent example for them to set.
Of course, if they sold it, who would buy it?
Not you or I! We would only be told that it had been sold - after the event - and no names given of the purchaser.

Phew!!!!! ... i am delighted that Cameron and Clegg kept to their word and confirmed that ............." The cuts will not effect frontline services"...........
.............as i was beginning to get worried that lives could be lost.
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The electorate who voted for either Cons or Dems have been absolutely conned by two unscruipulous figureheads i.e. Caneron and Clegg.

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As i posted on here several times that Cameron and the Tories were so derperate for power they would promise you anything...and deliver nothing.
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Not in my biggest nightmare did i think that the likes of Clegg and Cable would fall into the trap of sacrificing and betraying their own party and members for a few pieces of silver....Oh yes and the one and only taste of real power that they or their party will ever achieve again

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

Linesman wrote:

samantha pia wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

the rnli is not the coast guard, they are two different bodys. the rnli is a charity, the coast guard is a government body

yup and the Gov want the UK run by charities, so we can carry on giving all out money away to International projects in third world countries

Is buying thousands of pounds worth of wine and champagne to stock up the House of Commons wine cellars part of the 'International projects in third world countries' that you speak of? Claiming that they want to encourage businesses at home, I would have though that English wine would have been a better way to spend the money. Let's face it, this bunch will soon have us joining the Third World!

Your like a broken record, are we going to have to here this everyday about the wine.

I can imagine that it would be annoying if it were untrue, but it is not! With me, it is wine. With you, it is whine, whine, whine!

you get that from people who dont under stand lineman, one sign is when they come out with the same old saying :-"like a broken record" they just dont want the people to know the truth, unable to see where the errors was made. ect ect

What truth? That the House of Commons has always had a stocked up Wine Celler? When the Tories came in there was already £800,000 of wine in there that was bought by the Labour Government? You cant just keep bringing that up to defend your argument.

the only governments that did not stock up the wine cellar was the labour ones in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. all other governments have done. most off the wines in that cellar are not for drinking, they would not taste very nice any way. 100 year old wine would be like drinking vinegar.
£800,000 of wine that has taken 150 years to build up.
they spend so much for drinking and so much for the colletting, that wine cellar started with a single bottle of a collettor wine has a gift, on the opening of the new parliament building in1860 (1834 there was a fire it destroyed most off the old parliament buildings).

StEmmosfire wrote:

southy wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: I thougth the Government didnt fund the Coast Guard like the other Emergency services, infact isn't the RNLI a charity?

then you come out with this. " I have ran a couple of charity runs for the RNLI. Good cause but always thought they should be funded by the Government. RNLI would deal with more inshore incidents I take it as opposed to the Maritime Coast Guard. So really no lives put at risk? " hummm

Please explain your point Southy, maybe my original post is not being read in the way I intended it? I thought that in most cases beach holiday go'ers will be looked after by the RNLI, which is a charity.

the rnli operates on the water, the coast guard rescue operates from the air, both can go deep sea, coast guard do many other jobs that is to deal with national waters. like controlling the shipping lanes. there main job is to cornate shipping, rescue, vessel inspection and operate on the same level has the RN. many places on our shores have independant rescue services like in the solent has the solent rescue whitch they deal with inshore rescue.
and if you had run a couple of charitys then i would have though you would have known the difference between the rnli and the coast guard.

HM Coastguard are the co-ordinating authority for ALL rescues that take place on our shoreline and in UK waters.
The RNLI, Independent Lifeboats, Helicopters, Local Coastguard Rescue Teams etc are all assets that can be deployed to affect the rescue.
Be under no illusion - The Lifeboats cannot do what the CG teams do in the same way that the CG teams cannot do what the lifeboats do. They work together to great effect.

This WILL affect response times - It has to. These people respond from wherever they are be it work or home and patrol on the weekends to put themselves in a position to respond quickly. To cut back on this coming up to what must be their busiest time of the year is insanity.

Members of the public….. This is your warning!!!!

Public services are being cut left right and centre, as you are reading this!

Fire service: previous watch 12 fire fighters, now down to 6, soon to be fewer stations covering the same areas. This means that although the number in each watch is not reduced, the number of fire fighters covering an area will. Obviously this makes responding to incidents difficult.

Ambulance service: fewer ambulances are available, current crews could be cut by another quarter! Volunteers are being relied upon more and more.

Police: No recruitment for at least two years (Hampshire), reduction of the number of officers on patrol and reduction of vehicles meaning response times are going to go out the window. Scene of crimes can only be used for all major crime scenes (murder, rape and in high value burglary incidents – this does not include car crime!)

Prison service: Reducing numbers of prison officers making controlling order inside the prison difficult and unsafe. This would really stretch the service in the event of a major incident as it is dealt with in house; no, don’t believe all you read in the press as police officers are NOT used to deal with riots inside prisons, it’s specially trained prison officers (Strange ways and HMP Lincoln – here we come again!). Prison population is on the increase, STILL. Prisons are being sold off to save public money. However, prisons run by a private company (i.e. for profit) are not safe and frequently have to be bailed out by HMP staff. More prisoners escape from private prisons than HMP.

All of these cuts will put people’s lives at risk!

Every time there is a financial crisis, public services are seriously affected. Even when the crisis is caused by the PRIVATE SECTOR. This is not fair to the men and women who put themselves on the line for the general public.

Had a chat with some of my coastie ex colleagues about this sistuation. Don't know why the service is taking this draconian step when they are actually PAID by South Central Ambulance Service to have patrols on duty over weekends to provide co-responding cover!
So you have one government department proping up another......and now neither the rescues nor ambulance calls will be attended in a timely fashion...........