Reports of a big cat on the prowl in a Hampshire suburb (From This is Hampshire)

oh my god that could be a sketch of anything when they said someone had done a sketch i thought they meant a good one lol, it is probably a cross breed as they say, as long as it hasnt harmed anyone let the poor thing live in peace!!!

I saw a massive geezer in tesco's the other day, could easily have been a thawed out abdominal snowman.
He was buying boxes of cat food.
Let's all pray for a mild winter next year.

davesbabe wrote:
oh my god that could be a sketch of anything when they said someone had done a sketch i thought they meant a good one lol, it is probably a cross breed as they say, as long as it hasnt harmed anyone let the poor thing live in peace!!!

one way to find out going looking for it.

‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived.
It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal.
.
Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

That's just my cat, Baz

I live in Valley Park in Knightwood and this is just a large cat that lives in the area of Wood End Way. It is about haf as big again as an ordinary domestic cat and it could well be a half bred wild cat, It is an odd colour and has long wild looking hair and I always call it the 'old grey wolf'. It goes around at a steady pace and seems quite content-despite its wild looking appearance it seems to be in good health and well cared for. When I was a child we had a half bred wild cat on our farm and it was not unlike this one. From the description given and the area it is in it must be the cat I have seen on a regular basis over recent months and a 'snow leopard ' it aint. Have been known to like living in thatched dwellings so anyone with a thatched roof in Valley Park should beware.

Raptor, "clever girl"

wallop wonderboy wrote:
I live in Valley Park in Knightwood and this is just a large cat that lives in the area of Wood End Way. It is about haf as big again as an ordinary domestic cat and it could well be a half bred wild cat, It is an odd colour and has long wild looking hair and I always call it the 'old grey wolf'. It goes around at a steady pace and seems quite content-despite its wild looking appearance it seems to be in good health and well cared for. When I was a child we had a half bred wild cat on our farm and it was not unlike this one. From the description given and the area it is in it must be the cat I have seen on a regular basis over recent months and a 'snow leopard ' it aint. Have been known to like living in thatched dwellings so anyone with a thatched roof in Valley Park should beware.

Great to hear someone's solved it so quickly. Perhaps the owner just needs to put a (large!) collar on the cat then everyone would know it's just a huge cat and nothing to be afraid of.

The only 'Snow Leopard' around this neck of the woods is the operating system on my Apple Mac.

The sightings around the country of these large cats could well be from the Maine Coon, or Savannah breeds. They are very large domestic cats, much more likely than a 'Snow Leopard'. Seeing as the Snow Leopard is native to the mountains of Central Asia and is an endangered species i very much doubt there is one wondering around Chandlers Ford!

maria79 wrote:
The sightings around the country of these large cats could well be from the Maine Coon, or Savannah breeds. They are very large domestic cats, much more likely than a 'Snow Leopard'. Seeing as the Snow Leopard is native to the mountains of Central Asia and is an endangered species i very much doubt there is one wondering around Chandlers Ford!

snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
the bob cat can be a large also last know recorded sighting was in 1968 in scotland near brown island not far from the ospreys nesting site.
then there is also a feral cats they to have been known to grow very large after a few breeding cycles.
then are those big cats that could of breed with out there owners knowing and the youngin's have got into the wild, or owners have release them into the wild. whitch is not a big worry because it will just grow old and die, the worry is if they come across a partner to breed with.

southy wrote:

maria79 wrote: The sightings around the country of these large cats could well be from the Maine Coon, or Savannah breeds. They are very large domestic cats, much more likely than a 'Snow Leopard'. Seeing as the Snow Leopard is native to the mountains of Central Asia and is an endangered species i very much doubt there is one wondering around Chandlers Ford!

snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia. the bob cat can be a large also last know recorded sighting was in 1968 in scotland near brown island not far from the ospreys nesting site. then there is also a feral cats they to have been known to grow very large after a few breeding cycles. then are those big cats that could of breed with out there owners knowing and the youngin's have got into the wild, or owners have release them into the wild. whitch is not a big worry because it will just grow old and die, the worry is if they come across a partner to breed with.

We could end up with huge mutant cats everywhere....run for the hills save yourselves!!!!!!!!!!
!!

maria79 wrote:

southy wrote:

maria79 wrote: The sightings around the country of these large cats could well be from the Maine Coon, or Savannah breeds. They are very large domestic cats, much more likely than a 'Snow Leopard'. Seeing as the Snow Leopard is native to the mountains of Central Asia and is an endangered species i very much doubt there is one wondering around Chandlers Ford!

snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia. the bob cat can be a large also last know recorded sighting was in 1968 in scotland near brown island not far from the ospreys nesting site. then there is also a feral cats they to have been known to grow very large after a few breeding cycles. then are those big cats that could of breed with out there owners knowing and the youngin's have got into the wild, or owners have release them into the wild. whitch is not a big worry because it will just grow old and die, the worry is if they come across a partner to breed with.

We could end up with huge mutant cats everywhere....run for the hills save yourselves!!!!!!!!!!

!!

you never know what nature will do, domestic cats are breed small. a species only needs separated with in 150,000 years to be able to cross breed.

Maria 79 above suggested a large breed of cat called a 'Maine Coons'. I have read about the breed and have looked at a number of photographs online and the long haired version of the breed and that could well be the cat that has been around here in Knightwood, Valley Park in recent months. It does not act like a wild cat but it does make you look twice and it is unusual. The colouring is ghostly.

wallop wonderboy wrote:
Maria 79 above suggested a large breed of cat called a 'Maine Coons'. I have read about the breed and have looked at a number of photographs online and the long haired version of the breed and that could well be the cat that has been around here in Knightwood, Valley Park in recent months. It does not act like a wild cat but it does make you look twice and it is unusual. The colouring is ghostly.

They are amazing looking cats, im seriously considering getting one, would work out better than a guard dog i think, any unsuspecting burglar would think twice if confronted with a huge Maine Coon!

Bit like this then --> http://www.onebadman
.com/factoryflux/wp-
content/uploads/2009
/09/maine-coon-021.j
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Google images - type 'Maine Coon' - 2nd image in.

Solved.

maria79 wrote:

wallop wonderboy wrote:
Maria 79 above suggested a large breed of cat called a 'Maine Coons'. I have read about the breed and have looked at a number of photographs online and the long haired version of the breed and that could well be the cat that has been around here in Knightwood, Valley Park in recent months. It does not act like a wild cat but it does make you look twice and it is unusual. The colouring is ghostly.

They are amazing looking cats, im seriously considering getting one, would work out better than a guard dog i think, any unsuspecting burglar would think twice if confronted with a huge Maine Coon!

feral cats get has big has that some times even bigger, after a few breeding generation.
main coon's and your small domestic are one in the same just that they are bred larger. (reverse breeding)

maria79 wrote:

wallop wonderboy wrote:
Maria 79 above suggested a large breed of cat called a 'Maine Coons'. I have read about the breed and have looked at a number of photographs online and the long haired version of the breed and that could well be the cat that has been around here in Knightwood, Valley Park in recent months. It does not act like a wild cat but it does make you look twice and it is unusual. The colouring is ghostly.

They are amazing looking cats, im seriously considering getting one, would work out better than a guard dog i think, any unsuspecting burglar would think twice if confronted with a huge Maine Coon!

feral cats get has big has that some times even bigger, after a few breeding generation.
main coon's and your small domestic are one in the same just that they are bred larger. (reverse breeding)

Look at the bruiser of a cat 3rd one down – this has to be a main coon – I live in the USA and lots of people have them – they take a full 5 years to mature and are huge, have a lovely nature and are wonderful cats. This obviously belongs to someone because they have long fur and it would look matted and knotty it not groomed – check this site out – bet you find your gray ghost maybe the 3rd on down!

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probably just a bengal cat http://www.ariionkat
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Quote from Southy's post:
snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
.
So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex.
Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

X Old Bill wrote:
Quote from Southy's post:
snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
.
So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex.
Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

I once spotted a communist who was not talking out of his ar@e, but no-one believed me.

southy wrote:

maria79 wrote:
The sightings around the country of these large cats could well be from the Maine Coon, or Savannah breeds. They are very large domestic cats, much more likely than a 'Snow Leopard'. Seeing as the Snow Leopard is native to the mountains of Central Asia and is an endangered species i very much doubt there is one wondering around Chandlers Ford!

snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
the bob cat can be a large also last know recorded sighting was in 1968 in scotland near brown island not far from the ospreys nesting site.
then there is also a feral cats they to have been known to grow very large after a few breeding cycles.
then are those big cats that could of breed with out there owners knowing and the youngin's have got into the wild, or owners have release them into the wild. whitch is not a big worry because it will just grow old and die, the worry is if they come across a partner to breed with.

Southy, don't know why they would be chasing apexes, because if they were following mountain goats, they may come across ibexes and lose interest in the mountain peaks and it's views, scenic as they may be. :)

fraggled wrote:
‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived. It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal. . Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

I am tired of posters berating Southy for his spelling. Give the guy a break! His contribution to this site is significant. If you are offended, then go read elsewhere.

forest hump wrote:

fraggled wrote:
‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived. It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal. . Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

I am tired of posters berating Southy for his spelling. Give the guy a break! His contribution to this site is significant. If you are offended, then go read elsewhere.

It's not so much the atrocious spelling but more the tortuous thought process lurking behind the spelling errors. Add to that, a long history of whoppers and denial of facts and he sets himself up as mocked Aunt Sally at the funfair . . .

clausentum wrote:

forest hump wrote:

fraggled wrote: ‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived. It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal. . Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

I am tired of posters berating Southy for his spelling. Give the guy a break! His contribution to this site is significant. If you are offended, then go read elsewhere.

It's not so much the atrocious spelling but more the tortuous thought process lurking behind the spelling errors. Add to that, a long history of whoppers and denial of facts and he sets himself up as mocked Aunt Sally at the funfair . . .

OK, so be it. It would be dull without Southy! I'll bet a pound to a pinch of $hit that he would be good company over a few beers! Leave the good guy alone!

Perhaps it was a beaver?

forest hump wrote:

clausentum wrote:

forest hump wrote:

fraggled wrote: ‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived. It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal. . Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

I am tired of posters berating Southy for his spelling. Give the guy a break! His contribution to this site is significant. If you are offended, then go read elsewhere.

It's not so much the atrocious spelling but more the tortuous thought process lurking behind the spelling errors. Add to that, a long history of whoppers and denial of facts and he sets himself up as mocked Aunt Sally at the funfair . . .

OK, so be it. It would be dull without Southy! I'll bet a pound to a pinch of $hit that he would be good company over a few beers! Leave the good guy alone!

Only a "pinch"?

How parsimonious of you.

I'd have bet a working man's brick $ithouse, full. And then expected him to buy everyone in the pub a round and a bag of crisps each.

:-p

Atpost wrote:
Perhaps it was a beaver?

Yeah. And someone snatched it away?

forest hump wrote:

clausentum wrote:

forest hump wrote:

fraggled wrote: ‘Big cats’ have been sighted all over the country. I have to admit that I’ve seen one on the outskirts of Totton and I wasn’t quite sure who to report it to. I contact the police and they sent a couple of officers (in their cars!) to try and see what it was. It was a while ago so their response time was very quick, but the cat was quicker and had disappeared in to the countryside before they arrived. It’s clearly no threat to humans, so we should leave it alone and let it live its life the same as any other wild animal. . Oh and Southy, your English is s**t

I am tired of posters berating Southy for his spelling. Give the guy a break! His contribution to this site is significant. If you are offended, then go read elsewhere.

It's not so much the atrocious spelling but more the tortuous thought process lurking behind the spelling errors. Add to that, a long history of whoppers and denial of facts and he sets himself up as mocked Aunt Sally at the funfair . . .

OK, so be it. It would be dull without Southy! I'll bet a pound to a pinch of $hit that he would be good company over a few beers! Leave the good guy alone!

In Bygone Days every village had it's Village Idiot.

They were tolerated and sheltered by the kind folk of the village community, provided the Village Idiot did not go outside the confines of the Village and entered the Big Wide World of Smart People.

Maybe Red Robbo of Redbridge is the modern day equivalent of a Village Idiot of those Times?

But a vulnerable soul too, because he left the safe sanctuary of his Village, stumbled upon a keyboard, entered the Smart World of ComputerLand and Internet-based Social Debate and became intellectually and hopelessly lost?

:-)

Or - it may have been Royston's comb-over, following him in a high wind?

Sorry but I must agree with others about the content of Southy’s ramblings, I am happy to allow the spelling errors (they are often funny apex/Ibex) but normally the content is complete tosh.

Follow the link here where Southy claims a big cat (just one) was prowling the south coast from Kent to the West County!

The word of Southy ……southy, redbridge says...
2:54pm Sun 1 Mar 09
there is a 8mm film off a big cat taken on bodmin moor some time back. if its the same type off cat that you find on the slopes off the andies mountains then it would have no problem surviving in this country, its use to a much bigger range off temperature than we get in this country, dont like being out in the open in day light, but like Paul Westwood said this country is to small to support a large number off big cats, and the one spotted in the west country is probley the same one that been spotted in kent.
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stay local, southampton says...
1:43am Mon 2 Mar 09
“southy wrote:
when you think about it bright spark a cat like a black panther can run at 45mph can jump straight up 18 feet and jump from a standing spot 30 feet, then 200 miles be nothing for them to cover and probably would do it over a course of a week. longer if they stop in one place to hunt for a while.”

My reply

With all large cats their range is partially dictated by the availability of prey, in conjunction with competing cats,(they keep out of each others territory) the maximum suggested range for a puma is 386 square miles but normal ranges are about 10 square miles. Now before you jump to conclusions please remember that square miles refers to area (the length times the width) and not length so the range at is largest would be in distance terms about 19 miles each way, or to be extreme you could claim a more linear range say 40 miles by 10 miles, remember this the very maximum range recorded in their native area and the exceptional figure. Most ranges for the puma are much smaller.

Now to cover the other data

Speed when chasing prey they can get to 45 kph or about 30 mph but this is only for a very short period and this is not their cruising speed.

The maximum reported jump height is 18 feet 5.4mtrs

Length 30 feet 9.1mtrs
Again these are the very largest figures for an animal in prime condition and normal jumps would be less (the same applies to humans, or the Olympics would be dull), if it were an escaped or released wild cat then its ability to find prey would be less than a fully wild animal, it would be used to human contact and more likely to be seen.

Going back to the video proof it is not sufficient to claim to have seen it, identified it as the same as something in the Andes with out giving a reference. For example The Devon beach beast (Jan 2009) papers were reporting this as evidence of big cats in Devon, but when looked into it was a fur seal caucus. Source http://www.cryptomun

do.com/cryptozoo-new

s/exmoorbeachbeast/

There have been many reported sighting of ‘beasts’ but when there is a search for more evidence….footprin
ts, dead animals both hunter and hunted, trapped animal it all comes up short.

As I have and others suggest before you cannot bend the rules of reality to fit your own view of the world. Stop making outlandish claims and then create random facts to justify them it does not work.

So no, it is not the super cat that can run faster than the recorded speed, for distances many times further than its maximum range, whilst not being seen and killing prey.



The keys words (fact-read) some thing unknown to Southy!

This is probably the tiger that bit that woman who mistook it for a snake bite.

X Old Bill wrote:
Quote from Southy's post:
snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
.
So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex.
Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

snow leopards will follow its food, they don't all ways make a kill on the mountain side. more often a kill is made in the valley bottoms near a watering hole.
there are some very good documentary films of nature and its working on line, go and watch a few and learn. megavideo, stageuv is just 2 sites there are loads of film sites that show good nature documentaries, some are done by well known people. even david attenborough has done filming of a snow leopard in a bottom of a valley chasing a mountain goat kid.
also snow leopards dont go to the top of mountains they lair up in the tree line if there is one, and a heavy winter snow fall will bring them down from the mountain and into the valleys also.

A snow leopard eh? Grey they're not. The nearest snow leopard to Chandlers Ford is out at Marwell Zoo and they are certainly bigger than 4x the size of a domestic moggy.

here is a film clip of the very first snow leopard ever recorded on film hunting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/nature/species/Snow
_Leopard#p00378k9

even on the bbc where this film clip is located says you can find snow leopards in these habitats, Broadleaf forest, Coniferous forest, Mountain grassland, Mountains and Tropical coniferous forest.
since this filming there has been a number of other that have now filmed the snow leopard.

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
Quote from Southy's post:
snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
.
So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex.
Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

snow leopards will follow its food, they don't all ways make a kill on the mountain side. more often a kill is made in the valley bottoms near a watering hole.
there are some very good documentary films of nature and its working on line, go and watch a few and learn. megavideo, stageuv is just 2 sites there are loads of film sites that show good nature documentaries, some are done by well known people. even david attenborough has done filming of a snow leopard in a bottom of a valley chasing a mountain goat kid.
also snow leopards dont go to the top of mountains they lair up in the tree line if there is one, and a heavy winter snow fall will bring them down from the mountain and into the valleys also.

Gosh that is amazing! - Not amazing that a large wild feline does what large wild felines do best, but the fact that you completely missed the point being made, and not just by me.
Let me spell it out; An Apex is the tip, top, peak, or pointed end of anything; the vertex of a triangle, cone, etc.; Botany the growing point of a shoot etc. (OED). Is that what you really meant?
Also, I would say that all reference to the hunting habits, habitat etc of Snow Leopards are completely academic unless someone can produce evidence of one living wild in the area, which is highly unlikely.
I do not class a drawing which could have been produced by my youngest grandchild to be 'evidence'.

X Old Bill wrote:

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote: Quote from Southy's post: snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia. . So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex. Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

snow leopards will follow its food, they don't all ways make a kill on the mountain side. more often a kill is made in the valley bottoms near a watering hole. there are some very good documentary films of nature and its working on line, go and watch a few and learn. megavideo, stageuv is just 2 sites there are loads of film sites that show good nature documentaries, some are done by well known people. even david attenborough has done filming of a snow leopard in a bottom of a valley chasing a mountain goat kid. also snow leopards dont go to the top of mountains they lair up in the tree line if there is one, and a heavy winter snow fall will bring them down from the mountain and into the valleys also.

Gosh that is amazing! - Not amazing that a large wild feline does what large wild felines do best, but the fact that you completely missed the point being made, and not just by me. Let me spell it out; An Apex is the tip, top, peak, or pointed end of anything; the vertex of a triangle, cone, etc.; Botany the growing point of a shoot etc. (OED). Is that what you really meant? Also, I would say that all reference to the hunting habits, habitat etc of Snow Leopards are completely academic unless someone can produce evidence of one living wild in the area, which is highly unlikely. I do not class a drawing which could have been produced by my youngest grandchild to be 'evidence'.

I can see it now Southy reads ‘the snow leopard is an apex predator’ which he reads as it eats something called an apex. Whereas, as X old bill correctly points out the use of the word apex refers to the Snow Leopard’s place in the food chain:- The Snow Leopard eats animals further down the food chain but is not itself hunted for food.

X Old Bill wrote:

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:
Quote from Southy's post:
snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia.
.
So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex.
Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

snow leopards will follow its food, they don't all ways make a kill on the mountain side. more often a kill is made in the valley bottoms near a watering hole.
there are some very good documentary films of nature and its working on line, go and watch a few and learn. megavideo, stageuv is just 2 sites there are loads of film sites that show good nature documentaries, some are done by well known people. even david attenborough has done filming of a snow leopard in a bottom of a valley chasing a mountain goat kid.
also snow leopards dont go to the top of mountains they lair up in the tree line if there is one, and a heavy winter snow fall will bring them down from the mountain and into the valleys also.

Gosh that is amazing! - Not amazing that a large wild feline does what large wild felines do best, but the fact that you completely missed the point being made, and not just by me.
Let me spell it out; An Apex is the tip, top, peak, or pointed end of anything; the vertex of a triangle, cone, etc.; Botany the growing point of a shoot etc. (OED). Is that what you really meant?
Also, I would say that all reference to the hunting habits, habitat etc of Snow Leopards are completely academic unless someone can produce evidence of one living wild in the area, which is highly unlikely.
I do not class a drawing which could have been produced by my youngest grandchild to be 'evidence'.

what i am trying to say is till one is caught you don,t really know what it is. but old ideas of how and where any animal can and can not live is out dated and wrong, idea's on what we use to know are changing because we are seeing more and under standing better than we use to.
ibex by the way spelling error.
i trying to find the filming of a snow leopard that was filmed on the turkish and iran boarder hunting this film will show that these cats are not subject to mountains only, but can adapt to the conditions around them that they find them selfs in.
like any domesticated cat, could feed only out of a bowl for most its life, but if the need is there it would soon learn how to hunt mice and rats in the wild, or if one got into the home they soon will be on its trail to kill.

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote:

southy wrote:

X Old Bill wrote: Quote from Southy's post: snow leopards will also go in to valleys looking for food, but will follow mountain goats and apexs most of all, they have also been seen far east has siberia, but your right on the bulk of them are in central asia. . So why would they go from the valleys to the very top of the mountains? I am not at all sure that even mountain goats would want to be in such an obvious location as the apex. Also, the plural of apex is either apexes or apices.

snow leopards will follow its food, they don't all ways make a kill on the mountain side. more often a kill is made in the valley bottoms near a watering hole. there are some very good documentary films of nature and its working on line, go and watch a few and learn. megavideo, stageuv is just 2 sites there are loads of film sites that show good nature documentaries, some are done by well known people. even david attenborough has done filming of a snow leopard in a bottom of a valley chasing a mountain goat kid. also snow leopards dont go to the top of mountains they lair up in the tree line if there is one, and a heavy winter snow fall will bring them down from the mountain and into the valleys also.

Gosh that is amazing! - Not amazing that a large wild feline does what large wild felines do best, but the fact that you completely missed the point being made, and not just by me. Let me spell it out; An Apex is the tip, top, peak, or pointed end of anything; the vertex of a triangle, cone, etc.; Botany the growing point of a shoot etc. (OED). Is that what you really meant? Also, I would say that all reference to the hunting habits, habitat etc of Snow Leopards are completely academic unless someone can produce evidence of one living wild in the area, which is highly unlikely. I do not class a drawing which could have been produced by my youngest grandchild to be 'evidence'.

what i am trying to say is till one is caught you don,t really know what it is. but old ideas of how and where any animal can and can not live is out dated and wrong, idea's on what we use to know are changing because we are seeing more and under standing better than we use to. ibex by the way spelling error. i trying to find the filming of a snow leopard that was filmed on the turkish and iran boarder hunting this film will show that these cats are not subject to mountains only, but can adapt to the conditions around them that they find them selfs in. like any domesticated cat, could feed only out of a bowl for most its life, but if the need is there it would soon learn how to hunt mice and rats in the wild, or if one got into the home they soon will be on its trail to kill.

Found it …

http://www.liveleak.
com/view?i=561_11785
00164

But it shows the snow leopard hunting it the mountains. As for the rest of your usual tosh…. Yes we do know and we are aware of range and habitat of these top carnivores, yes they can adapt to a degree, but if a return to the wild was that easy then the current efforts to return animals to the wild would not be so fraught with difficulty.

If there were as you have claimed a big cat roaming the country between Kent and Bodmin moor then we would have evidence. There would be missing animals, remains of carcasses half eaten with recognisable marks attributable to a big cat and not a dog. There would be spoor marks the tracks of the animal, there would be faecal deposits leopard poo (this and be tracked for it DNA finger print). Finally we would not rely on the drawings of a child but with the prominence of digital cameras we would expect a plethora of photographs.

Whilst you claim we do not know what it is until we catch it, this can equally be applied to the Loch Ness monster, big foot, the Yeti to name but a few.

that link is the bbc david attenborogh film clip, i all ready giving the link to that one from the bbc it self. it was filmed at the base of the himalayas on the side of a river gorge cliff edge. by the bbc attenborogh film crew. check it out and see for your self.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/nature/species/Snow

_Leopard#p00378k9

the one i am trying to find is the one on the turkey/ iran boarder.

has for missing animals there is mainly sheep. and is often blamed onto rustlers whitch also takes place in this country. shy big cats dont like to be disturb, if that happens they tend to move away from the area. has for pictures you need to have a camera on you in the pass. whitch most people dont take with them, but the advent of mobile phones with camera,s you just might start to see more pictures than the 2 recorded films of a big black cat that there is now. has for faecal deposits you need to find it first so you need to know where to look, and it needs to be reasonable fresh to get a dna sample its not good if its been dried out or been wash with rain, even tracks need to be in firm ground to able to identify.

There certainly is a some weird **** around...not sure what the sketch is though

southy wrote:
that link is the bbc david attenborogh film clip, i all ready giving the link to that one from the bbc it self. it was filmed at the base of the himalayas on the side of a river gorge cliff edge. by the bbc attenborogh film crew. check it out and see for your self. http://www.bbc.co.uk /nature/species/Snow _Leopard#p00378k9 the one i am trying to find is the one on the turkey/ iran boarder. has for missing animals there is mainly sheep. and is often blamed onto rustlers whitch also takes place in this country. shy big cats dont like to be disturb, if that happens they tend to move away from the area. has for pictures you need to have a camera on you in the pass. whitch most people dont take with them, but the advent of mobile phones with camera,s you just might start to see more pictures than the 2 recorded films of a big black cat that there is now. has for faecal deposits you need to find it first so you need to know where to look, and it needs to be reasonable fresh to get a dna sample its not good if its been dried out or been wash with rain, even tracks need to be in firm ground to able to identify.

Ok Southy we both have found the same film through different channels! But no film as you describe.

As for rustlers, they don’t tend to take single animals rather they take whole flocks, rustlers tend to leave tyre tracks and cut pad locks these are skills beyond that of your normal snow leopard. A leopard if hunting will take sufficient prey to satisfy its needs and if easy to catch will stay and continue to predate (which is why they are called predators) it is possible that they will like foxes get over excited and kill more than they can manage, but then they would not take the spare meat away but leave evidence for framers etc. This is not happening.

As you claim big cats do not like to be disturbed, well this would rule out the majority of the South of England as a potential range, which somewhat goes against your argument.

I am glad to see you agree with me about the lack of evidence when there is such a predominance of cameras around, it is not a question of we might just start to see more pictures. The truth is we have not; there are thousands of CCTV cameras recording all the time, members of the public with high quality cameras, but no increase in the number of photos. If anything this demonstrates the lack of evidence rather than the chance of more.

Then you go on to look at spoor marks, footprint you claim need firm ground, well there are lots of areas in the South where this could occur.


Finally your suggestion that faecal need to be found I completely agree, many people have been looking for rocking horse poo and have not found it.

You continually claim that a lack of evidence is due to the animal being too clever/ too shy to be spotted. Now apply your logic to that of the unicorn and the rocking horse and you will discover large herds of both live in the Chandlers ford area.

your wrong about rustles they will take the single animal or they will take a number of animals, its a miss concept that rustlers only take a herd, dont be miss lead by the cowboy films where they show whole herds being rustled more often it a single animal that is rustled whole herds is a rare thing to happen. a rustler who really knows what he is doing don,t leave any traces. that he been there till you come to counting up the numbers.
oh i have found that video its on veedx.
leopards don,t eat there kill on the spot, they will pick it up or drag it to a location like up a tree or up a cliff edge or any other spot where they know they can get at it and other large predators cant.
cctv are not much use are they when they are located mainly on main roads in and out of citys or at the shopping areas, those places are way to busy for animal like the leopard or puma. people when they go out for walks are not likely to take a camera with them, but with the advent of mobile phones with cameras this will change you will see more pictures and filming of such things, that last big cat filming was done on a phone camera (the one that showed a big black cat walking along a railroad track), where has the one before was done on a standard 8mm film from a person home. which will tell you why there been so little evidence in the pass, and is likely to increase now with mobile phone cameras, but some one will still need to be in the right place at the right time, think about it, it took the bbc 6 years to get that film of a hunting snow leopard and it was only done because the camera was unmanned and controlled remotely in the end. not all animal behave the same when humans are around, you can see the difference even in cats. like loins don,t worry about humans to much in the wild and will walk away slowly or attack you. where has a cheetah will run away and keep a distance to watch you by. don,t make that silly error like most humans do and treat all animals the same they are not each breed type will behave differently.
tracking is not easy when it comes to id a breed, id a species is easy, following an animal is easy, and can take weeks mths or some times years, following an animal before you can id a breed if you don,t get a visual on the animal in question, go and ask that guy out in the new forest who tracks deer for the NFP to keep an eye on numbers, he will tell you even lo he knows what they are but you can never be sure, and it takes a visual or that one print that is 100% perfect that is less than 15 mins old to get a sure confirmation on the breed of deer.

southy wrote:
your wrong about rustles they will take the single animal or they will take a number of animals, its a miss concept that rustlers only take a herd, dont be miss lead by the cowboy films where they show whole herds being rustled more often it a single animal that is rustled whole herds is a rare thing to happen. a rustler who really knows what he is doing don,t leave any traces. that he been there till you come to counting up the numbers. oh i have found that video its on veedx. leopards don,t eat there kill on the spot, they will pick it up or drag it to a location like up a tree or up a cliff edge or any other spot where they know they can get at it and other large predators cant. cctv are not much use are they when they are located mainly on main roads in and out of citys or at the shopping areas, those places are way to busy for animal like the leopard or puma. people when they go out for walks are not likely to take a camera with them, but with the advent of mobile phones with cameras this will change you will see more pictures and filming of such things, that last big cat filming was done on a phone camera (the one that showed a big black cat walking along a railroad track), where has the one before was done on a standard 8mm film from a person home. which will tell you why there been so little evidence in the pass, and is likely to increase now with mobile phone cameras, but some one will still need to be in the right place at the right time, think about it, it took the bbc 6 years to get that film of a hunting snow leopard and it was only done because the camera was unmanned and controlled remotely in the end. not all animal behave the same when humans are around, you can see the difference even in cats. like loins don,t worry about humans to much in the wild and will walk away slowly or attack you. where has a cheetah will run away and keep a distance to watch you by. don,t make that silly error like most humans do and treat all animals the same they are not each breed type will behave differently. tracking is not easy when it comes to id a breed, id a species is easy, following an animal is easy, and can take weeks mths or some times years, following an animal before you can id a breed if you don,t get a visual on the animal in question, go and ask that guy out in the new forest who tracks deer for the NFP to keep an eye on numbers, he will tell you even lo he knows what they are but you can never be sure, and it takes a visual or that one print that is 100% perfect that is less than 15 mins old to get a sure confirmation on the breed of deer.

Ok let’s go with the idea of a snow leopard in Chandlers Ford. Are there reports of missing animals, are they being fond on cliffs? Slight problem for this one as there are no cliffs in Chandlers ford.

So the next point ‘Leopards put their prey up trees’, yes this is correct, but not for snow leopards as they live mainly above the tree line.

Are the police reporting and increased numbers of animals going missing, perhaps with blood trails? Not to my knowledge.

I am not sure why you are talking about loins (a part of the body) I guess you mean lions. I think most people know that animals are different between species, and I can’t see its relevance. Most people carry cameras with them in one form or another at all times, but despite this there is no increase in the number of pictures if any thing a decrease as the clarity of such pictures make identification easier and often rules out the possibility of a big cat.

I guess in the land of magic there are numerous big cats at large which are so clever they can steal prey from farms and leave no evidence so that even the farmers don’t notice. Don’t even bother suggesting the cat moves on as you should know that animals will stay near an easy source of food if possible.

Perhaps it is in a similar vein to your socialist diatribes where you maintain a hopeless stance rather than admit your lack of insight!

ok now you are wrong about the snow leopards living mainly above the tree line there more snow leopards with in a tree line than out of it.
habitat's of a snow leopard are has follow
Broadleaf forest
Coniferous forest
Mountain grassland
Mountains
Tropical coniferous forest
now how is that above the tree line.
china has snow leopards in there bamboo forests.
burma has them in the north in the tropical coniferous forest.
siberia has them in there coniferous forest.
you see they do live in the tree line also. and why did you quote the full and not just a tiny bit of the quote.
full part quote
" leopards don,t eat there kill on the spot, they will pick it up or drag it to a location like up a tree or up a cliff edge or any other spot where they know they can get at it and other large predators cant.
makes you look silly not taken it in full.
police can only report what they are told, if a farmer only counts his sheep only once in a while, he will only know that one sheep is missing after the count not before, a farmer don not count all his sheep every day, they don,t even count them every mth. they are only counted at sheering, lambing and market. and if one is missing its put down to being rustled or its escape and not found, or some even say large bird of prey, famers even blame foxes with there new born lambs.
and most people do not carry cameras with them when they are just out for a walk. its only with the advent of mobile phone cameras that there is more cameras out there, less that 10 years ago mobile phones did not have cameras built into them. and the clarity of mobile phones cameras is not that good, and when you look at the one taken not so long ago walking along the rail tracks this cat was at lest 2 foot high which is way higher than one of those maine coons pet cats, unless some one has manage to breed one even larger.
why don,t you admit that you dont think and only take in part of information the part that you are personally interested in

southy wrote:
ok now you are wrong about the snow leopards living mainly above the tree line there more snow leopards with in a tree line than out of it. habitat's of a snow leopard are has follow Broadleaf forest Coniferous forest Mountain grassland Mountains Tropical coniferous forest now how is that above the tree line. china has snow leopards in there bamboo forests. burma has them in the north in the tropical coniferous forest. siberia has them in there coniferous forest. you see they do live in the tree line also. and why did you quote the full and not just a tiny bit of the quote. full part quote " leopards don,t eat there kill on the spot, they will pick it up or drag it to a location like up a tree or up a cliff edge or any other spot where they know they can get at it and other large predators cant. makes you look silly not taken it in full. police can only report what they are told, if a farmer only counts his sheep only once in a while, he will only know that one sheep is missing after the count not before, a farmer don not count all his sheep every day, they don,t even count them every mth. they are only counted at sheering, lambing and market. and if one is missing its put down to being rustled or its escape and not found, or some even say large bird of prey, famers even blame foxes with there new born lambs. and most people do not carry cameras with them when they are just out for a walk. its only with the advent of mobile phone cameras that there is more cameras out there, less that 10 years ago mobile phones did not have cameras built into them. and the clarity of mobile phones cameras is not that good, and when you look at the one taken not so long ago walking along the rail tracks this cat was at lest 2 foot high which is way higher than one of those maine coons pet cats, unless some one has manage to breed one even larger. why don,t you admit that you dont think and only take in part of information the part that you are personally interested in

The snow leopard trust say:- you are talking out of your rectum again. They say 'Snow leopards are usually found between 3,000 and 5,400 meters above sea level. The environment at this elevation is harsh and forbidding. The climate is cold and dry, the mountain slopes sparsely vegetated with grasses and small shrubs.' so how do the snow leopards store their prey... a nearby shrub?

No, Snow leopards do not live in the tropical coniferous forest. The name snow leopard is just a bit of a clue!!!!! Or they might be called tropical leopards!
It seems that you are still confused over Panthera pardus and Panthera uncia, the former being the leopard that lives in warm climates and the later the one which seeks snow covered mountains. The same Genus, but different species.

Any news on the hunt for the unicorn and the rocking horse, both which b y your reckoning must be abundant in Chandlers ford?