Five individual police officers had five complaints against them (From This is Hampshire)

Love it, nothing will ever happen though, Police can knock some poor man down in London, week later or so he dies (G20 protest). Policeman let off the doctor who treated him looks like he is going to prison!

Policing is the highest paid public sector job where the applicant needs no prior education. No wonder there are complaints.

Policeman = Skin head, barbwired tattoo's, bad attitude and stupid nicknames for each other!

and this does not count the complaints I could have made ( what would be the point ) against the camera officer who lied about obscured signs deliberately left covered to cash-cow his speed trap... and the policeman who stopped me on privately owned land and told me I should be wearing a seatbelt... the list goes on , if everyone complained when they should the list would be virtually the entire force. they police for themselves , not for us. Half of them don't know or ignore the law for their own purposes. they are a disgrace in my humble opinion. The torys should dismantle the policeforces and introduce three new forces. national police , national traffic police , gendarmes for local policing. scrap the playmobile blue-tops ( or whatever they are called ) and scrap the highways agency and scrap camera cars and scrap local police spending all day lazin around in 40K BMWs.

Just because a complaint is made, it doesn't mean that the policemen concerned has done anything wrong. People do lie. If a criminal wants to get revenge on a policeman because of being caught commiting a crime then it is not uncommon for them to make a false/unjustified complaint.

I know that some policemen are unprofessional, but there is too much political correctness governing policemen's powers and actions.

If you are arrested/fined for a crime that you didn't commit then the onus is still on the police/prosecution to prove that you did that crime.

It would be interesting to know how many of these complaints are upheld and how many of them are rejected. People do make spurious complaints about the police (getting arrested isn't fun after all) though of course there are some valid complaints.

Condor Man wrote:
Policing is the highest paid public sector job where the applicant needs no prior education. No wonder there are complaints.

Good guess but utterly wrong. Good English and maths gcse passes and two other good passes are required.

Most forces also conduct their own English and maths exams prior to recruitment.

Swissowned wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Policing is the highest paid public sector job where the applicant needs no prior education. No wonder there are complaints.

Good guess but utterly wrong. Good English and maths gcse passes and two other good passes are required. Most forces also conduct their own English and maths exams prior to recruitment.

Not really 'utterly' wrong. I wouldn't call 4 GCSE's (including maths and english) much of an education!

I think Condor Man is right in what he is saying. People of who are poorly educated are allowed to apply for police and these are the people who are supposed to be enforcing law on members of public. Surely this is not right?!
Most of them just hide their lack of knowledge behind a barrier of pure ignorance. This is why police have no respect!

Fascist pigs

the criminal justice system is a corporation for making money , the irony is it,s unlawful on dry land.

05bar76 wrote:
If you are arrested/fined for a crime that you didn't commit then the onus is still on the police/prosecution to prove that you did that crime.

The onus isn't on the police at all. They just gather evidence. Except for in the most trivial of criminal cases - minor criminal damage, for instance - what the police have to say on your supposed guilt is irrelevant.

claxxie wrote:

Swissowned wrote:

Condor Man wrote: Policing is the highest paid public sector job where the applicant needs no prior education. No wonder there are complaints.

Good guess but utterly wrong. Good English and maths gcse passes and two other good passes are required. Most forces also conduct their own English and maths exams prior to recruitment.

Not really 'utterly' wrong. I wouldn't call 4 GCSE's (including maths and english) much of an education!

I think Condor Man is right in what he is saying. People of who are poorly educated are allowed to apply for police and these are the people who are supposed to be enforcing law on members of public. Surely this is not right?!
Most of them just hide their lack of knowledge behind a barrier of pure ignorance. This is why police have no respect!

It's still utterly wrong, I'm afraid. What you, personally, consider to be "an education" is irrelevant. Fact is, 4 GCSEs IS an education. There's always going to be someone more educated than you, who can sneer at your meagre 2 Ph.Ds or whatever.

One would have presumed basic logical reasoning to be a component of any worthwhile education, but it appears you've disproven that.

surely it's better for the old bill to represent all parts of society and not just those to a privaleged education.?
As in any large organisation you got the odd bad apple but most of the cyber warriors on here hide behind keyboards and wouldn't have a clue what to do or how to handle the stuff i see them deal with in town at weekends.

westhantsboy wrote:
surely it's better for the old bill to represent all parts of society and not just those to a privaleged education.? As in any large organisation you got the odd bad apple but most of the cyber warriors on here hide behind keyboards and wouldn't have a clue what to do or how to handle the stuff i see them deal with in town at weekends.

Great post.

Give over...the police are already seen as a soft touch in this country by criminals...I hope they get even tougher...yes they might get a few complaints alone the way but if that's what it needs to get a police force that actually gains respect from the community and the law breakers then so be it!

The usual old garbage on several posts....No education reqd, Fascists, Blue tops, Lazing around in BMW's.
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The truth is my "friends" these are the real frontline troops in our own back garden that have the balls to want to tackle the scum that infiltrate our streets 24 hours a day.
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If the citizens of this country supported them and not continually knocked them for every turn that they make then they may just be able to do their jobs....( the ones that none of you bust a gut to do) ... just a bit better

da boss wrote:
the criminal justice system is a corporation for making money , the irony is it,s unlawful on dry land.

Do I sense a fellow free man?

The police here are a joke. They are a soft touch on real criminals because real criminals know the law better than the police do and arent worth the effort to prosecute.

Instead they go after those who are trying to abide by the 600000 statues we have because they are easy targets.

I have only ever been hindered by the police, and so few of them have any common sense.

I was once fencing some land and putting new fence posts into the field I was working on. The police drove past and back before pulling up to ask what I was doing. I replied putting new posts in the field. I was asked why, so I told them, to fence it. Then they said "do you have the land owners permission?" I was tempeted to say no, I was just doing it to waste the day but I refrained.
My abuse as a child also went unacted upon and the man went on to abuse many other children in southampton and was well known to the centre 2000 pool. At 30 I reported my abuse again, 3 year investigation to be told as he wasnt going to get a longer sentence, it wasnt in the public interest to pursue it.
The list goes on.
The other day we were pulled for no insurance and our car was towed. We provided first hand information to the police officer that we were most certainly insured but that there must have been some mistake. He decided at the roadside that we were guilty and therefore lying and my partner is due in court...unfortunatly for them, the mistake has been admitted by the insurance company, as explained to him, and an indemity certificate is on its way. Another waste of court time! and this will also cost the public a towing fee of £170 plus a car wash after the copper stuck a fly poster on the back of our vehicle saying it was uninsured, and the bus tickets for the 20 miles we had to travel to get it back.
Constables are supposed to serve the public and keep the peace, only keep the peace. Policy enforcement officers enforce policy, and for that you are guilty first.
The policies ignore a humans biblical right to travel in a conveyance of his choice and therefore if it is unlawful to stop the right of travel, how can legal to do the same.
Funny da boss, my security word is ship-this

Lone Ranger wrote:
The usual old garbage on several posts....No education reqd, Fascists, Blue tops, Lazing around in BMW's. . The truth is my "friends" these are the real frontline troops in our own back garden that have the balls to want to tackle the scum that infiltrate our streets 24 hours a day. . If the citizens of this country supported them and not continually knocked them for every turn that they make then they may just be able to do their jobs....( the ones that none of you bust a gut to do) ... just a bit better

Good post - but some officers, target driven, are going after low hanging fruit. The DM is full of such stories and they can't all be false.
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Then we have our inept criminal justice system which keeps returning the scum to the streets.

Victorian Principles wrote:

05bar76 wrote:
If you are arrested/fined for a crime that you didn't commit then the onus is still on the police/prosecution to prove that you did that crime.

The onus isn't on the police at all. They just gather evidence. Except for in the most trivial of criminal cases - minor criminal damage, for instance - what the police have to say on your supposed guilt is irrelevant.

Not entirely correct- the police often act as witnesses as they are often at the scene of a crime when it is happening.

05bar76 wrote:

Victorian Principles wrote:

05bar76 wrote:
If you are arrested/fined for a crime that you didn't commit then the onus is still on the police/prosecution to prove that you did that crime.

The onus isn't on the police at all. They just gather evidence. Except for in the most trivial of criminal cases - minor criminal damage, for instance - what the police have to say on your supposed guilt is irrelevant.

Not entirely correct- the police often act as witnesses as they are often at the scene of a crime when it is happening.

No, it is correct. I know what you're saying, but witnesses, police or otherwise, are asked to state facts about what happened, not what they think about possible crimes. For example, "I saw Mr Smith appear to punch Mr Jones in the face" is a fact, but "Mr Smith assaulted Mr Jones" is not. Mr Smith may well have been acting in self-defence, or he may have tripped and accidentally hit Mr Jones. Ever been assaulted, and reported it to the police? One of the things you'll be asked to put in your statement, is something along the lines of "I did not give Mr Smith permission to punch me in the face". Why? Because a single action alone, with no other factors, rarely actually constitutes a crime.

A witness isn't asked to comment on whether, in their opinion, a crime was committed. They're just asked what they saw. The police, in particular, are very adept at being a witness without opining on possible guilt, because wily lawyers are very adept at having witness statements dismissed on the grounds that they prejudice a case. Policemen spend a lot of time in court, they're good at avoiding that lawyer trap.

Compared to other forces they aren't actually that bad.

now in the north wrote:

da boss wrote:
the criminal justice system is a corporation for making money , the irony is it,s unlawful on dry land.

Do I sense a fellow free man?

The police here are a joke. They are a soft touch on real criminals because real criminals know the law better than the police do and arent worth the effort to prosecute.

Instead they go after those who are trying to abide by the 600000 statues we have because they are easy targets.

I have only ever been hindered by the police, and so few of them have any common sense.

I was once fencing some land and putting new fence posts into the field I was working on. The police drove past and back before pulling up to ask what I was doing. I replied putting new posts in the field. I was asked why, so I told them, to fence it. Then they said "do you have the land owners permission?" I was tempeted to say no, I was just doing it to waste the day but I refrained.
My abuse as a child also went unacted upon and the man went on to abuse many other children in southampton and was well known to the centre 2000 pool. At 30 I reported my abuse again, 3 year investigation to be told as he wasnt going to get a longer sentence, it wasnt in the public interest to pursue it.
The list goes on.
The other day we were pulled for no insurance and our car was towed. We provided first hand information to the police officer that we were most certainly insured but that there must have been some mistake. He decided at the roadside that we were guilty and therefore lying and my partner is due in court...unfortunatly for them, the mistake has been admitted by the insurance company, as explained to him, and an indemity certificate is on its way. Another waste of court time! and this will also cost the public a towing fee of £170 plus a car wash after the copper stuck a fly poster on the back of our vehicle saying it was uninsured, and the bus tickets for the 20 miles we had to travel to get it back.
Constables are supposed to serve the public and keep the peace, only keep the peace. Policy enforcement officers enforce policy, and for that you are guilty first.
The policies ignore a humans biblical right to travel in a conveyance of his choice and therefore if it is unlawful to stop the right of travel, how can legal to do the same.
Funny da boss, my security word is ship-this

yes indeed , free man of the land ,it,s criminal most people don,t know the criminal justice system and taxation is a fraud and scam ,but many more people are aware now ,greetings.

Some of the police tactic's in Hampshire need reporting, the way they just walk up and shove a camera in football fans faces before, during, after recent matches, to me that warrants a complaint, however no doubt people on here will say football fans deserve it because they are trouble makers, which is not always the case, everyone has the right to complain in every other walk of life, the police being complained about is no different to anyone,

Just because someone may or may not committed a crime does not give police the right not to act in correct decent manner, before people harp on about they're all criminals, the police deal mostly with alleged criminal's, the courts decide if they are or not.

No prior education - they must have had - how else would they know which end of a doughnut to start eating first.........? um..................
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Most of the people commenting on here do not have a clue what the police do, as shown by the ignorant comments. As an ex pc back in the sixties I speek with experience. Try wandering the City back streets and alleys on your own at 2or 3 oclock inthe middle of the night and see how many of you have the intestinal fortitude for the job, or close the Juniper Berry on you own at closing time when hookers and Gays and truck drivers dont want to leave. 90% of you dont even Know what goes on in your City after 2 am so try to show a little concern for the guys in blue and think about the stupid statments you are making.

kingkong 1 wrote:
Most of the people commenting on here do not have a clue what the police do, as shown by the ignorant comments. As an ex pc back in the sixties I speek with experience. Try wandering the City back streets and alleys on your own at 2or 3 oclock inthe middle of the night and see how many of you have the intestinal fortitude for the job, or close the Juniper Berry on you own at closing time when hookers and Gays and truck drivers dont want to leave. 90% of you dont even Know what goes on in your City after 2 am so try to show a little concern for the guys in blue and think about the stupid statments you are making.

" . . . think about the stupid statments you are making."

It is reasonable to pose this question to these idiots:

"From whom would you seek help and redress, if you got burgled, seriously assaulted, had your life savings stolen or went through the agony of having a loved one maimed for Life, raped or murdered?"

I used to have a lot of respect for the police & the difficult job they do. Until that is someone close to me was accused of something minor & because they didn't agree with what the officers were saying things escalated. This resulted in this person being held up against railings, hands behind their back whilst the officer's colleague punched them in the face so hard they required several stitches. The officers were said to have felt threatened....by someone with their hands pinned behind their back??
Nothing was done to punish this officer(s) by the constabulary or the authorities. In fact we were made to feel like scum. Not sure where in the training police officers get taught those sort of tactics.
A real shame as I am sure the majority of officers (and I have friends in the force) do an excellent job but your views get tarnished by the few that don't.

Swissowned wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
Policing is the highest paid public sector job where the applicant needs no prior education. No wonder there are complaints.

Good guess but utterly wrong. Good English and maths gcse passes and two other good passes are required.

Most forces also conduct their own English and maths exams prior to recruitment.

And I've seen those exams (for the Met anyway). They are sub-GCSE level.

Saintandsinner wrote:
Compared to other forces they aren't actually that bad.

I disagree. I moved back down from London about 8 years ago.

The Met don't exactly have the best reputation... but our local constabulary are a thousand times worse. With a couple of honourable exceptions, the ones I've encountered are merely thugs in a uniform.

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