Southampton ready to allocate funding to cope with a boom in number of children (From This is Hampshire)

the council plans over mansel school is to pull it down and build private home,s.
other schools over this side are going to suffer the same fate, has the council plans are to have fewer schools and have those super big schools like they have in the USA.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools mentioned may be in areas where the majority of children live with mothers who got pregnant as teenagers in order to get themselves a council flat, hence the mini boom in kids needing places at school. This boom goes against the demographics of the early 21st century however, it comes as part of the package of very young mums who have chosen the benefit culture as a way of life. Now their kids will be able to go to school, and their dinners will be paid for by us tax payers, they can then go home to their council flat. When these kids leave school they too will follow the example set by their mums, and make a life choice to live off the state. Vicious circle I'm afraid.

thats a bit unfair of you to be honest lol, we live ina council house but my husband work full time, some of us actually love children and chose to have them because we love them, i was nearly 20 when i had my first child and have had 3 since, im not a srounging social bum and never have been so please do not tar eberyone with the same brush, some of us actually love our children, btw im almost 32 now, and we dont get anything free either we have to pay taxes and dont even get so much as a free sandwich!!

i apologise for my atrocious spelling in the last post i was trying to help my children with something at the same time as writing it!

southy wrote:
the council plans over mansel school is to pull it down and build private home,s. other schools over this side are going to suffer the same fate, has the council plans are to have fewer schools and have those super big schools like they have in the USA.

Big schools are best because they give heads more options to divide off disruptive pupils which allows the brighter and the well behaved to learn. Pandering to the disruptive has to end now. The best comp in the city, Bitterne Park, has 1500 pupils. The worst, Woodlands, has less than half that number.

Brite Spark wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools mentioned may be in areas where the majority of children live with mothers who got pregnant as teenagers in order to get themselves a council flat, hence the mini boom in kids needing places at school. This boom goes against the demographics of the early 21st century however, it comes as part of the package of very young mums who have chosen the benefit culture as a way of life. Now their kids will be able to go to school, and their dinners will be paid for by us tax payers, they can then go home to their council flat. When these kids leave school they too will follow the example set by their mums, and make a life choice to live off the state. Vicious circle I'm afraid.

Im sure you will have heard it before, but your not too brite Im afraid.
I dont know ANY young mums who get pregnant to get a council place.
The council system of housing just doesnt work that way. In fact, they would be more likely to get a place WITH a partner than without due to the points system.
It is poor parenting, sex "education" at very young ages and the new "childcare class" that makes children have children.
They are looking for someone else to love them, or looking to find a way of keeping a partner by using a pregnancy. They think that making a new family will provide them with the security they feel they are missing.
Only the dim think that teenage girls get pregnant for council housing.
They still get their rent paid for by the "government(-al)" if they rent privately! Duh.
Futher more, your tax doesnt pay for them. Money works in cycles, passed from one department to another. The problem comes when the people who organise that, ie central government, skim off an enormous chunk for national debt that they have got us all in to!
If you are so perturbed by it, get out there and make someone else part of your family. Give them the help they really need. We all need to help each other.
Your comments make you sound greedy and selfish and wannabe middle class.
One day, you could end up needing that same benefits system that you are so quick to destroy.
PS, we are self employed and dont get benefits either.

I do not agree with academy schools.
They are independent of the state.
They are businesses and as such have a questionable interest in our children - businesses are there to make money.
They follow their own curriculum.
They have contracts and limited liabilty.
They are introducing councillors and are involved in all sorts of neurolinguistic programmes - used on children. The councillors are to keep patient confidentialty meaning they will not discuss with you any problem your child may have, reducing your abilty to help AND placing further barriers.
For 3 years, they do not have to publish stats meaning we wont see if they are failing until after they have failed.
The teaching union do not support them either.

I do not agree with academy schools.
They are independent of the state.
They are businesses and as such have a questionable interest in our children - businesses are there to make money.
They follow their own curriculum.
They have contracts and limited liabilty.
They are introducing councillors and are involved in all sorts of neurolinguistic programmes - used on children. The councillors are to keep patient confidentialty meaning they will not discuss with you any problem your child may have, reducing your abilty to help AND placing further barriers.
For 3 years, they do not have to publish stats meaning we wont see if they are failing until after they have failed.
The teaching union do not support them either.

Bolton, what's the solution? State education has failed since it was introduced in 1944. There has to be a better way of educating people and we all know the current set up isn't the answer. If we truly want an educated society we need to have schools that are fit for purpose. Ones that challenge young people to become part of the next society.

Now in the North,
You paint a very bad image of school counsellors which is just not correct.
You said "The councillors are to keep patient confidentialty meaning they will not discuss with you any problem your child may have, reducing your abilty to help AND placing further barriers."

In the very few schools that do have counsellors they are a great asset.
As the actual client is the pupil they have to maintain a high level of confidentialty.

The relationship between the counsillor and client is built on trust.

From the little I do know of the process I'm certain that most, but not all, problems arise with issues with the parent. In these cases its the parents that should have the counselling. School counselling often can only provide the child with a way of coping with family relationships.
School counsellors do a wonderful job but because of the very nature of their work cannot broadcast the outcomes.
But the clients know, as do the teachers when they see a more balanced, happier person.

Brite Spark wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools mentioned may be in areas where the majority of children live with mothers who got pregnant as teenagers in order to get themselves a council flat, hence the mini boom in kids needing places at school. This boom goes against the demographics of the early 21st century however, it comes as part of the package of very young mums who have chosen the benefit culture as a way of life. Now their kids will be able to go to school, and their dinners will be paid for by us tax payers, they can then go home to their council flat. When these kids leave school they too will follow the example set by their mums, and make a life choice to live off the state. Vicious circle I'm afraid.

you forgot to mention the increase of babies from immigrant parents. They are all coming to the age of school now too.

StEmmosfire wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools mentioned may be in areas where the majority of children live with mothers who got pregnant as teenagers in order to get themselves a council flat, hence the mini boom in kids needing places at school. This boom goes against the demographics of the early 21st century however, it comes as part of the package of very young mums who have chosen the benefit culture as a way of life. Now their kids will be able to go to school, and their dinners will be paid for by us tax payers, they can then go home to their council flat. When these kids leave school they too will follow the example set by their mums, and make a life choice to live off the state. Vicious circle I'm afraid.

you forgot to mention the increase of babies from immigrant parents. They are all coming to the age of school now too.

I chose to 'forget' it ship mate, not worth the hassle!

davesbabe wrote:
thats a bit unfair of you to be honest lol, we live ina council house but my husband work full time, some of us actually love children and chose to have them because we love them, i was nearly 20 when i had my first child and have had 3 since, im not a srounging social bum and never have been so please do not tar eberyone with the same brush, some of us actually love our children, btw im almost 32 now, and we dont get anything free either we have to pay taxes and dont even get so much as a free sandwich!!

Babe of Dave. I wasn't tarring everyone with the same brush merely suggesting that there's a lot who do know how to abuse the system much to their advantage.
If it counts for anything I was brought up in Studland Close in a council flat, and my parents didn't have the benefit culture but many of our neighbours did!

Some posters are suggesting that schools will be closed to build homes and that super schools will be built. I doubt the funds from the land sell will go towards schools construction and given the governments refusal to fund new builds, where will the money come from for the super schools!
Also, given Acadamy schools have just been introduced this week where does Bolton get all this councillors guff and results publication from? As far as I can see only 30 odd have coverted from Outstanding (OfSTED inspection rating) schools to acadamies giving them extra funding to spend on whatever they see fit. I think he may be referring to the "Free Schools" which look a pain in the btm to set up and I doubt many will crop up.

Let's blame the young mum's for there being more children in the area. Easy route hey.

charliesmummy wrote:
Let's blame the young mum's for there being more children in the area. Easy route hey.

We've had a decade of Sure Start and other similar projects to stop these problems but we still have problems with the poorest people accessing education. What's the solution?

now in the north wrote:

Brite Spark wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools mentioned may be in areas where the majority of children live with mothers who got pregnant as teenagers in order to get themselves a council flat, hence the mini boom in kids needing places at school. This boom goes against the demographics of the early 21st century however, it comes as part of the package of very young mums who have chosen the benefit culture as a way of life. Now their kids will be able to go to school, and their dinners will be paid for by us tax payers, they can then go home to their council flat. When these kids leave school they too will follow the example set by their mums, and make a life choice to live off the state. Vicious circle I'm afraid.

Im sure you will have heard it before, but your not too brite Im afraid. I dont know ANY young mums who get pregnant to get a council place. The council system of housing just doesnt work that way. In fact, they would be more likely to get a place WITH a partner than without due to the points system. It is poor parenting, sex "education" at very young ages and the new "childcare class" that makes children have children. They are looking for someone else to love them, or looking to find a way of keeping a partner by using a pregnancy. They think that making a new family will provide them with the security they feel they are missing. Only the dim think that teenage girls get pregnant for council housing. They still get their rent paid for by the "government(-al)" if they rent privately! Duh. Futher more, your tax doesnt pay for them. Money works in cycles, passed from one department to another. The problem comes when the people who organise that, ie central government, skim off an enormous chunk for national debt that they have got us all in to! If you are so perturbed by it, get out there and make someone else part of your family. Give them the help they really need. We all need to help each other. Your comments make you sound greedy and selfish and wannabe middle class. One day, you could end up needing that same benefits system that you are so quick to destroy. PS, we are self employed and dont get benefits either.

"I dont know ANY young mums who get pregnant to get a council place"
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I know two - in my family. It does happen.
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Also can you get your keyboard fixed so that there is an ' on it.

now in the north wrote:
I do not agree with academy schools.
They are independent of the state.
They are businesses and as such have a questionable interest in our children - businesses are there to make money.
They follow their own curriculum.
They have contracts and limited liabilty.
They are introducing councillors and are involved in all sorts of neurolinguistic programmes - used on children. The councillors are to keep patient confidentialty meaning they will not discuss with you any problem your child may have, reducing your abilty to help AND placing further barriers.
For 3 years, they do not have to publish stats meaning we wont see if they are failing until after they have failed.
The teaching union do not support them either.

I think you mean 'Counsellors' !

There is no 'confidentiality' cause if they believe a child to be at risk of harm. A child cannot see a counsellor without the permission of a parent for 'therapy', only in a general sense of 'listening'.

I don't like academies either and we've seen what a shambles they can get in here. Don't get me started on children with SEN who want to attend academies. There is an anti-academies alliance if anyone wants to join it. All this is just PFI with another name. I was watching TV with someone saying they are opening the South's first 'free school' last night using Montesorri methods. there is so 'selection' he said... LOL think he's being abit niave there there will be an avalanche of middle class 'my child is a genuis' parents trying to get in.

Believe me Foundry Lane is a school that will get worse the bigger it gets. They already struggle now, there isn't a parent I know who didn't object to increasing its size and these consultation exercises are useless because they have no intention of listening to parents anyway! The Council had their plan and had no intention of listening to the community when it came to the impact these bigger schools would have.