Services hit as hundreds join strikes (From This is Hampshire)

MGRA wrote:
"what do we want ?" "a ruined country" "when do we want it?" "NOW !!"

"Selfish Selfish Selfish,,,, ME ME ME"

can anyone think of any other things the lazy parasites should be chanting ?

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid

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MGRA wrote:
"what do we want ?" "a ruined country" "when do we want it?" "NOW !!"

"Selfish Selfish Selfish,,,, ME ME ME"

can anyone think of any other things the lazy parasites should be chanting ?

every day is like sunday wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid


eo/3430823_Super-Ric


h-The-Greed-Game-200


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Don't follow this link - you'll need to download codecs etc. View on youtube instead - search for super rich the greed game

MGRA wrote:
"what do we want ?" "a ruined country" "when do we want it?" "NOW !!"

"Selfish Selfish Selfish,,,, ME ME ME"

can anyone think of any other things the lazy parasites should be chanting ?

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Shoong wrote:
Christine Blower is 'controlled and supported by a group of extreme left organisations'.

Who said that? Doug McAvoy, her predecessor.

every day is like sunday wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid


eo/3430823_Super-Ric


h-The-Greed-Game-200


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Don't follow this link - you'll need to download codecs etc. View on youtube instead - search for super rich the greed game

afka_bill wrote:
Southy shut up u are talking tripe come and work with me on my wage and my reductions then look at there wages and pensions. The working people cannot afford the public sectors cushy retirement. And thanks to those people striking its costing me and other people money for childcare cus of your selfish wants. Get a job in the private sector where u dont have those perks

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:
Christine Blower is 'controlled and supported by a group of extreme left organisations'.

Who said that? Doug McAvoy, her predecessor.

Doug McAvoy would say that, he was in the pockets of the Tory Party.

Elgy wrote:
My bins were collected, young people I know educated, and libraries open. Has always been like this. I live in Eastleigh. Not so Beastleigh now, eh?!

southy wrote:
afka_bill, Thats your problem if your unwilling to help your self, and too willing to let your bossses walk all over you, It do not mean others aft to.
We can afford it, the problem is at the top with there over inflated wages, its pushing inflation up, making it unaffordable.
And there's the Tax that the Super Rich is getting away with, £120 Billion and that was last years figures, this year it be even higher, and they have been getting away with unpaid Tax for about 25 years.
Its not so cushy retirement has you think, because they taken out a private pension, they lose out on the state pension.
then look at what this Government is spending its money on, like the Wars ect. no the only ones who are talking tripe is your kind, your greed and only thinking about your self.

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Elgy wrote:
My bins were collected, young people I know educated, and libraries open. Has always been like this. I live in Eastleigh. Not so Beastleigh now, eh?!

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

Panhellenic Socialist Movement is not a Socialist Political party its not even in the CWI, and they are no different from what the Labour Party is. So less of your BS.

PortswoodJohn wrote:

afka_bill wrote:
Southy shut up u are talking tripe come and work with me on my wage and my reductions then look at there wages and pensions. The working people cannot afford the public sectors cushy retirement. And thanks to those people striking its costing me and other people money for childcare cus of your selfish wants. Get a job in the private sector where u dont have those perks

Why do you think you should get free childcare. Why should teachers babysit for you.

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid

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St Retford wrote:
Good luck to everyone on strike. The lack of support for trade unions in this country is a disgrace.
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*Honks horn*

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid


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oh, dear me, southy.

Surely you are not using the free internet for your info? – remember you told me:
.
1) “all open public web sites are tailored to say what they want you to think” - 1:44pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
2) and, “your a good debater but like many other people unwilling or unable to to pay out the cost in subs each mth to such organisations to find out the raw full facts”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
3) and, “tailored information .. its just a pick of information what they want you to believe in, twisted around, words taken out words added and changed”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
For these gems I have only researched this one Echo article: - http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/8766679.

Sea_rescue_drama/#co

mmentsList
.
I could, of course, go to many, many more I have in my personal archive on you - where we are constantly warned by you about the dangers of taking info from the internet without paying for it.
.
And here you are now, encouraging us all (on at least two different threads) to view free “tailored information”.
.
Hypocrisy?

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

Panhellenic Socialist Movement is not a Socialist Political party its not even in the CWI, and they are no different from what the Labour Party is. So less of your BS.

Southy, you poor old soul..... go to the Panhellenic SOCIALIST party website and see for yourself.

How can I be bsing you when they do exist, its there for whole world to see... yet you choose to argue they are not.... and now (once again) because you have been shown the truth, you start to get angry and throw insults at me.

It's no wonder that no-one takes you seriously.

BMWDellboy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid



eo/3430823_Super-Ric



h-The-Greed-Game-200



8

oh, dear me, southy.

Surely you are not using the free internet for your info? – remember you told me:
.
1) “all open public web sites are tailored to say what they want you to think” - 1:44pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
2) and, “your a good debater but like many other people unwilling or unable to to pay out the cost in subs each mth to such organisations to find out the raw full facts”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
3) and, “tailored information .. its just a pick of information what they want you to believe in, twisted around, words taken out words added and changed”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
For these gems I have only researched this one Echo article: - http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/news/8766679.


Sea_rescue_drama/#co


mmentsList
.
I could, of course, go to many, many more I have in my personal archive on you - where we are constantly warned by you about the dangers of taking info from the internet without paying for it.
.
And here you are now, encouraging us all (on at least two different threads) to view free “tailored information”.
.
Hypocrisy?

Got to be honest Southy mate, freefinker has got a point .... you need to change your tactics or greatly improve your memory on what you post and say.

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

What was your trade Southy, my old mate

PortswoodJohn wrote:

afka_bill wrote:
Southy shut up u are talking tripe come and work with me on my wage and my reductions then look at there wages and pensions. The working people cannot afford the public sectors cushy retirement. And thanks to those people striking its costing me and other people money for childcare cus of your selfish wants. Get a job in the private sector where u dont have those perks

Why do you think you should get free childcare. Why should teachers babysit for you.

StEmmosfire wrote:
What utter selfish, greedy, self centered idiots they are. Well done, again you have knocked off top spot story from the Save our Heart Unit campaign. You have taken the limelight again on what is far more important the saviour of our heart unit. I hope you are all proud of yourselves. Get real.

VeryWorriedParent wrote:
All these comments make me sick. If these new terms and conditions come into effect I will be £250 a month worse off. Yes this will have a knock on effect my Son will receive more student loan which he won't have to pay back. Yes I will get working tax credits and yes I will get some child care costs back. Oh I may also loose my home. So I could go from claiming no benefits to being a state scrounging bum,like most people on here who seem to have nothing else to do all day. Lets think what will cost local and central government most.

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

Panhellenic Socialist Movement is not a Socialist Political party its not even in the CWI, and they are no different from what the Labour Party is. So less of your BS.

Southy, you poor old soul..... go to the Panhellenic SOCIALIST party website and see for yourself.

How can I be bsing you when they do exist, its there for whole world to see... yet you choose to argue they are not.... and now (once again) because you have been shown the truth, you start to get angry and throw insults at me.

It's no wonder that no-one takes you seriously.

StEmmosfire wrote:

VeryWorriedParent wrote:
All these comments make me sick. If these new terms and conditions come into effect I will be £250 a month worse off. Yes this will have a knock on effect my Son will receive more student loan which he won't have to pay back. Yes I will get working tax credits and yes I will get some child care costs back. Oh I may also loose my home. So I could go from claiming no benefits to being a state scrounging bum,like most people on here who seem to have nothing else to do all day. Lets think what will cost local and central government most.

b@llocks. you clearly lived behond your means and our now suffering the consequences. Now go and sign the save our heart unit campaign though it may be to late.

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

Panhellenic Socialist Movement is not a Socialist Political party its not even in the CWI, and they are no different from what the Labour Party is. So less of your BS.

Southy, you poor old soul..... go to the Panhellenic SOCIALIST party website and see for yourself.

How can I be bsing you when they do exist, its there for whole world to see... yet you choose to argue they are not.... and now (once again) because you have been shown the truth, you start to get angry and throw insults at me.

It's no wonder that no-one takes you seriously.

I do not need to I have the up todate list of all the world political list of all the CWI Socalist partys. Its like the Labour Party use to be part of the CWI but have been removed because they are no longer progressing towards Socialism.
Right Wing have taken over the Panhellenic Socialist, the same has they did to the Labour Party, and the Panhellenic Socialist done the same thing as the Labour Party removed all those on the Left.
So try telling the full story and not the parts that suits you.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
In so called free society everybody is entitled to their own views. So those of us who fully support the unionised workers have no choice but to put up with what appears to be well organised anti union venom posted by some on this site
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This just struggle can only be won, not by convincing the closed minded anti unions bloggers/posters but through the well organised industrial action of trade union members directly involved in this action. In my opinion they deserve the full support of whole of the trade union and labour movement and the fair minded members of the public who are not self centred and are open minded enough to see beyond biased anti unions main media
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Organised workers will make their own luck; they do not need lecturing by mouth pieces of anti union brigades or self appointed Rasputins
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Viva Socialism

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

What was your trade Southy, my old mate

A1 Rigger, and with that BMWDellboy you will now know its all contract work, and how dangerst it is.

cyber_fug wrote:
OK, I admit it...... I hacked the PSM website and doctored it to suit my needs... I'll change it back later when I get a few minutes !!!!

Southy rambled "Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism."

The majority of modern day politics are based around the success of Capitalism.... so yes it is although its older it is still in use today.... whereas the dinosaurs became extinct many years ago and they ain't coming back.

I suppose you'll be organising a strike for the Bankers soon as Lloyds are about to make 14% of their staff redundant..........

VeryWorriedParent wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

VeryWorriedParent wrote:
All these comments make me sick. If these new terms and conditions come into effect I will be £250 a month worse off. Yes this will have a knock on effect my Son will receive more student loan which he won't have to pay back. Yes I will get working tax credits and yes I will get some child care costs back. Oh I may also loose my home. So I could go from claiming no benefits to being a state scrounging bum,like most people on here who seem to have nothing else to do all day. Lets think what will cost local and central government most.

b@llocks. you clearly lived behond your means and our now suffering the consequences. Now go and sign the save our heart unit campaign though it may be to late.

Don't think so we will still have 4 units in the South why shud a heart unit be saved from these tyrants half u idiots on here don't have one anyway so b@llocks to u too idiot.

cyber_fug wrote:
Linesman, Fareham says...
10:53am Thu 30 Jun 11

I wonder how many of those who are criticising the strikers, would accept, without taking any action, a situation where they were expected to work considerably longer, pay considerably more and receive considerably less.


This exactly what the Company I work for did almost 4 years ago. The senior managers took a 10% pay cut and the workshops staff took 5%. We all rolled up our sleeves, worked longer hours (without pay).... 3 years later we got our 5/10% back and this year we have had an inflation linked payrise.

We believe that because we took this action, no-one lost their jobs, the company survived and now we are all benefiting again.

Short term loss for a long term gain.... but then, I work in the private sector and didn't realise that there was another sector where someone owed me a living.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
The President of the Greek Government , Karolos Papoulias, represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement, the Prime Minister of the Greek Government also represents the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.....The Panhellenic Socialist Movement is a affiliated to both Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists.

You need to get in touch with their webmasters to tell them that they have got their website totally wrong.

Panhellenic Socialist Movement is not a Socialist Political party its not even in the CWI, and they are no different from what the Labour Party is. So less of your BS.

Southy, you poor old soul..... go to the Panhellenic SOCIALIST party website and see for yourself.

How can I be bsing you when they do exist, its there for whole world to see... yet you choose to argue they are not.... and now (once again) because you have been shown the truth, you start to get angry and throw insults at me.

It's no wonder that no-one takes you seriously.

I do not need to I have the up todate list of all the world political list of all the CWI Socalist partys. Its like the Labour Party use to be part of the CWI but have been removed because they are no longer progressing towards Socialism.
Right Wing have taken over the Panhellenic Socialist, the same has they did to the Labour Party, and the Panhellenic Socialist done the same thing as the Labour Party removed all those on the Left.
So try telling the full story and not the parts that suits you.

CWI = Trotskyist.
Trotskyism = small sub-splinter of the socialist movement.
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and the Popular Peoples Front of Judea?
“Splitters”

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid




eo/3430823_Super-Ric




h-The-Greed-Game-200




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oh, dear me, southy.

Surely you are not using the free internet for your info? – remember you told me:
.
1) “all open public web sites are tailored to say what they want you to think” - 1:44pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
2) and, “your a good debater but like many other people unwilling or unable to to pay out the cost in subs each mth to such organisations to find out the raw full facts”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
3) and, “tailored information .. its just a pick of information what they want you to believe in, twisted around, words taken out words added and changed”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
For these gems I have only researched this one Echo article: - http://www.dailyecho



.co.uk/news/8766679.



Sea_rescue_drama/#co



mmentsList
.
I could, of course, go to many, many more I have in my personal archive on you - where we are constantly warned by you about the dangers of taking info from the internet without paying for it.
.
And here you are now, encouraging us all (on at least two different threads) to view free “tailored information”.
.
Hypocrisy?

Got to be honest Southy mate, freefinker has got a point .... you need to change your tactics or greatly improve your memory on what you post and say.

Yes but he misses the main point, Use it has a starting point and follow it up and do more reseach on the matter. I pick this one because it a very good starting point, to follow up on and dive deeper into it.
well worth the watch.

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

What was your trade Southy, my old mate

A1 Rigger, and with that BMWDellboy you will now know its all contract work, and how dangerst it is.

Hmmm Southy, I worked directly for Esso at Fawley Refinery for 30 years having previously worked as a contractor working from home for 10 years. I can honestly say that I never saw a rigger, A1 or not, being put in any serious kind of danger. lol

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid





eo/3430823_Super-Ric





h-The-Greed-Game-200





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oh, dear me, southy.

Surely you are not using the free internet for your info? – remember you told me:
.
1) “all open public web sites are tailored to say what they want you to think” - 1:44pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
2) and, “your a good debater but like many other people unwilling or unable to to pay out the cost in subs each mth to such organisations to find out the raw full facts”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
3) and, “tailored information .. its just a pick of information what they want you to believe in, twisted around, words taken out words added and changed”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
.
For these gems I have only researched this one Echo article: - http://www.dailyecho




.co.uk/news/8766679.




Sea_rescue_drama/#co




mmentsList
.
I could, of course, go to many, many more I have in my personal archive on you - where we are constantly warned by you about the dangers of taking info from the internet without paying for it.
.
And here you are now, encouraging us all (on at least two different threads) to view free “tailored information”.
.
Hypocrisy?

Got to be honest Southy mate, freefinker has got a point .... you need to change your tactics or greatly improve your memory on what you post and say.

Yes but he misses the main point, Use it has a starting point and follow it up and do more reseach on the matter. I pick this one because it a very good starting point, to follow up on and dive deeper into it.
well worth the watch.

No, the "main point" is the hypocrisy.
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You are consistent in telling us all we should NOT use unpaid-for info from the internet as it is "tailored".
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Now here you are encouraging us to do so, because this free link suits your purpose - i.e. it is "tailored" to suit your particular argument.

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

cyber_fug wrote:
Because people are 6 mths behind in paying there morgages, and at lest 65% of them are still in work.


It's not the policies that are causing the problems.... it's people living beyond their means that is the problem.

Shoong wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

Didn't you know?

The public sector is immune from reality. The rules in that Universe do not correspond to any others.

They want your money.

Now just hand it over.

dazza41 wrote:
having been fined last year by my daughters school for an unauthorised absence (£100) £50 each for my wife and i. I have just sent an invoice to my daughters school (woodlands) for the unauthorised absence of her teacher today although she is in school her teacher isnt and she is not doing work that relates to her lessond.
Lets see if its one rule for them and a different one for us

Roger Khan wrote:

Elgy wrote:
My bins were collected, young people I know educated, and libraries open. Has always been like this. I live in Eastleigh. Not so Beastleigh now, eh?!

Bins collected made no difference to the landscape, youngsters you know probably are from Chandlers Ford, libraries open but derelict. Back to Beastleigh. Name one good thing about eastleigh.

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

BMWDellboy wrote:

dazza41 wrote: having been fined last year by my daughters school for an unauthorised absence (£100) £50 each for my wife and i. I have just sent an invoice to my daughters school (woodlands) for the unauthorised absence of her teacher today although she is in school her teacher isnt and she is not doing work that relates to her lessond. Lets see if its one rule for them and a different one for us

Seeing as the fine is imposed after a minimum of 5 days of non attendance then the teacher has 4 more days in hand then.

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

What was your trade Southy, my old mate

A1 Rigger, and with that BMWDellboy you will now know its all contract work, and how dangerst it is.

Hmmm Southy, I worked directly for Esso at Fawley Refinery for 30 years having previously worked as a contractor working from home for 10 years. I can honestly say that I never saw a rigger, A1 or not, being put in any serious kind of danger. lol

No well you need to get out a little bit more lol, look at the deaths that have happened in the last 30 years in Esso Refinery, And when we removed the Dollar plate, why was all the work force told to stay in the cabins, while the crane drivers and riggers with 2 boilermakers, only allowed on site, and it was the same when putting it back on. When the read dangerest jobs are on in the Refinery they clear the plant they are working on.
I would not work directly for Esso even lo they did ask me 4 times to, prefered to keep to the Contractors

BMWDellboy wrote:

dazza41 wrote: having been fined last year by my daughters school for an unauthorised absence (£100) £50 each for my wife and i. I have just sent an invoice to my daughters school (woodlands) for the unauthorised absence of her teacher today although she is in school her teacher isnt and she is not doing work that relates to her lessond. Lets see if its one rule for them and a different one for us

Seeing as the fine is imposed after a minimum of 5 days of non attendance then the teacher has 4 more days in hand then.

Shoong wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

Didn't you know? The public sector is immune from reality. The rules in that Universe do not correspond to any others. They want your money. Now just hand it over.

dazza41 wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

dazza41 wrote: having been fined last year by my daughters school for an unauthorised absence (£100) £50 each for my wife and i. I have just sent an invoice to my daughters school (woodlands) for the unauthorised absence of her teacher today although she is in school her teacher isnt and she is not doing work that relates to her lessond. Lets see if its one rule for them and a different one for us

Seeing as the fine is imposed after a minimum of 5 days of non attendance then the teacher has 4 more days in hand then.

just read the scools charter 'any unauthorised absences will or could result in a fine' there is no days limit shown.deffinatly one rule for them...............

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

BMWDellboy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Watch this documentry

http://veehd.com/vid






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oh, dear me, southy.

Surely you are not using the free internet for your info? – remember you told me:
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1) “all open public web sites are tailored to say what they want you to think” - 1:44pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
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2) and, “your a good debater but like many other people unwilling or unable to to pay out the cost in subs each mth to such organisations to find out the raw full facts”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
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3) and, “tailored information .. its just a pick of information what they want you to believe in, twisted around, words taken out words added and changed”. - 10:28pm Tue 4 Jan 11.
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For these gems I have only researched this one Echo article: - http://www.dailyecho





.co.uk/news/8766679.





Sea_rescue_drama/#co





mmentsList
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I could, of course, go to many, many more I have in my personal archive on you - where we are constantly warned by you about the dangers of taking info from the internet without paying for it.
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And here you are now, encouraging us all (on at least two different threads) to view free “tailored information”.
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Hypocrisy?

Got to be honest Southy mate, freefinker has got a point .... you need to change your tactics or greatly improve your memory on what you post and say.

Yes but he misses the main point, Use it has a starting point and follow it up and do more reseach on the matter. I pick this one because it a very good starting point, to follow up on and dive deeper into it.
well worth the watch.

No, the "main point" is the hypocrisy.
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You are consistent in telling us all we should NOT use unpaid-for info from the internet as it is "tailored".
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Now here you are encouraging us to do so, because this free link suits your purpose - i.e. it is "tailored" to suit your particular argument.

No I tell you start there and then follow it up, and information that you pay for is the best kind, you can use unpaid info if you like, but all ways follow it up, because a lot of free info is just a copy of a copy and if the infomation is wrong in the first place, its going to b wrong all the way though.
That link might be free but I would not stop there I would check deeper into it, like i did with that link its down to you if you want to go deeper and check, I watch that 6 weeks ago, done some reseach on it, then came back and watch it again, And i think its very good well worth the watch, but thats not telling you that doc is right or wrong i leave that for you to decide after you watch it, and followed it up by doing your own research.

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Elgy wrote:

Roger Khan wrote:

Elgy wrote:
My bins were collected, young people I know educated, and libraries open. Has always been like this. I live in Eastleigh. Not so Beastleigh now, eh?!

Bins collected made no difference to the landscape, youngsters you know probably are from Chandlers Ford, libraries open but derelict. Back to Beastleigh. Name one good thing about eastleigh.

ER... Chandler's Ford is still Eastleigh. Hence 'Eastleigh' in the address. I live in Chandler's Ford. Eastleigh is a borough. The libraries are quite modern compared to most and not derelict?! We have the airport, Rose Bowl, lots of nice pubs, cinema, Bitterne bowl moved here, numerous company HQs, country parks, Hamble, Netley, the Spitfire and Benny Hill! Channel 4 named Eastleigh the 9th best place to live in the country in 2006 for schools, healthcare, transport, leisure, general atmosphere and community. Soton has fragmented communities, drunk students, nasty architecture, tower blocks, endless strikes, horrible taxi drivers, decades of Council policy tearing the history of the place apart, and little to offer any tourists compared to similar sized cities.

AndyAndrews wrote:
Best wishes to all the strikers, especially those in my old union, the PCS, for at least trying to stand up to the Tory bullies, their LibDem ar*e-lickers and the pathetic so-called Labour Party. Shame on all the strike-breakers. And shame on the private sector whingers: just because you let your employers walk all over you,it's no reason to criticise those with the b*lls to stand up and be counted.

cyber_fug wrote:
Linesman, Fareham says... 10:53am Thu 30 Jun 11 I wonder how many of those who are criticising the strikers, would accept, without taking any action, a situation where they were expected to work considerably longer, pay considerably more and receive considerably less. This exactly what the Company I work for did almost 4 years ago. The senior managers took a 10% pay cut and the workshops staff took 5%. We all rolled up our sleeves, worked longer hours (without pay).... 3 years later we got our 5/10% back and this year we have had an inflation linked payrise. We believe that because we took this action, no-one lost their jobs, the company survived and now we are all benefiting again. Short term loss for a long term gain.... but then, I work in the private sector and didn't realise that there was another sector where someone owed me a living.

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

AndyAndrews wrote:
Best wishes to all the strikers, especially those in my old union, the PCS, for at least trying to stand up to the Tory bullies, their LibDem ar*e-lickers and the pathetic so-called Labour Party. Shame on all the strike-breakers. And shame on the private sector whingers: just because you let your employers walk all over you,it's no reason to criticise those with the b*lls to stand up and be counted.

allison.luella wrote:

cyber_fug wrote: Linesman, Fareham says... 10:53am Thu 30 Jun 11 I wonder how many of those who are criticising the strikers, would accept, without taking any action, a situation where they were expected to work considerably longer, pay considerably more and receive considerably less. This exactly what the Company I work for did almost 4 years ago. The senior managers took a 10% pay cut and the workshops staff took 5%. We all rolled up our sleeves, worked longer hours (without pay).... 3 years later we got our 5/10% back and this year we have had an inflation linked payrise. We believe that because we took this action, no-one lost their jobs, the company survived and now we are all benefiting again. Short term loss for a long term gain.... but then, I work in the private sector and didn't realise that there was another sector where someone owed me a living.

Yes, us in the private sector have had accept these............... .........we are the unlucky ones !!! at least your pensions will still be better than ours!! BE GRATEFUL YOU HAVE JOBS!!! THEN WHERE WOULD YOU BE!!! GROW UP FACE THE LIGHT AND GET BACK TO WORK!!!

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!!
it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!!
it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

It was your choice you accepted it, You could of joined a Union and have the backing of a Union to fight it, but what did you do roll over and just accept it, you and every one do have the choice.

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
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The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
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However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
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This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
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Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
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Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
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These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
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Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
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Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.---------------- They are now!

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!! it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

afka_bill wrote:

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!! it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

It was not my choice either southy it was that or be made redundant and im a union member

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger At the rally in Town, there was speakers from all over the world that came to southampton, places where the rallys and demos have not started yet, but just about to kick off.
So if this is happening world wide in the Capitalist world, and this lot keep saying there is no money, then who in the hell got all the money and hoarding it.
You only get one guest.

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

'UNCELFISH'

'eucation'

Loving those toddler spelling attempts.

'The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.'

Complete hypocrisy.

'This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.'

Just utter, utter 8ollocks.

'Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question'

Question is, what do you do? Looks like trying to blag off other hard working people by the looks of it.

No milk & cookies for you today.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger At the rally in Town, there was speakers from all over the world that came to southampton, places where the rallys and demos have not started yet, but just about to kick off.
So if this is happening world wide in the Capitalist world, and this lot keep saying there is no money, then who in the hell got all the money and hoarding it.
You only get one guest.

One guest? Sweet!

I'll go for, lets see, let's pick a Union leader from this list of 37 I have here that earns over £100K a year...

southy wrote:

afka_bill wrote:

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!! it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

It was not my choice either southy it was that or be made redundant and im a union member

Then you fight them, join a Union and stand together, Don't allow them to divide you, stand united together. The money is there, your Super rich is hoarding it for them self.
Its time you started to stand up for your self.

BMWDellboy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
Linesman, Fareham says...
10:53am Thu 30 Jun 11

I wonder how many of those who are criticising the strikers, would accept, without taking any action, a situation where they were expected to work considerably longer, pay considerably more and receive considerably less.


This exactly what the Company I work for did almost 4 years ago. The senior managers took a 10% pay cut and the workshops staff took 5%. We all rolled up our sleeves, worked longer hours (without pay).... 3 years later we got our 5/10% back and this year we have had an inflation linked payrise.

We believe that because we took this action, no-one lost their jobs, the company survived and now we are all benefiting again.

Short term loss for a long term gain.... but then, I work in the private sector and didn't realise that there was another sector where someone owed me a living.

Fair comment cyber_fug. I admit having "sat on the fence" in this debate but having worked in the private sector all my life with very small and very large companies I have always had a feeling that workers in the public sector have it somewhat cushier and are wrapped in cotton wool together with a generous pension.

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

'UNCELFISH'

'eucation'

Loving those toddler spelling attempts.

'The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.'

Complete hypocrisy.

'This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.'

Just utter, utter 8ollocks.

'Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question'

Question is, what do you do? Looks like trying to blag off other hard working people by the looks of it.

No milk & cookies for you today.

If only spelling was a strong point of mine i would probably been a Tory like you. And does it show !! .
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And there you go more abuse "8ollocks" ..... Its not grown up to use that language ........ but there again looking at your posts ..... your probably not

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

Your Maths that poor that you need to use a calculator, try throwing or playing Darts, where you got to add, multiply, divide, and subtrack all at the same time, and do it in multi choices just in case you miss the part of the dart board your aiming at, and with out a calculator, and all done with in a split second.

Roger Khan wrote:

Elgy wrote:

Roger Khan wrote:

Elgy wrote: My bins were collected, young people I know educated, and libraries open. Has always been like this. I live in Eastleigh. Not so Beastleigh now, eh?!

Bins collected made no difference to the landscape, youngsters you know probably are from Chandlers Ford, libraries open but derelict. Back to Beastleigh. Name one good thing about eastleigh.

ER... Chandler's Ford is still Eastleigh. Hence 'Eastleigh' in the address. I live in Chandler's Ford. Eastleigh is a borough. The libraries are quite modern compared to most and not derelict?! We have the airport, Rose Bowl, lots of nice pubs, cinema, Bitterne bowl moved here, numerous company HQs, country parks, Hamble, Netley, the Spitfire and Benny Hill! Channel 4 named Eastleigh the 9th best place to live in the country in 2006 for schools, healthcare, transport, leisure, general atmosphere and community. Soton has fragmented communities, drunk students, nasty architecture, tower blocks, endless strikes, horrible taxi drivers, decades of Council policy tearing the history of the place apart, and little to offer any tourists compared to similar sized cities.

Calm down i was joking, i love eastleigh women. Good concise post though and you forgot Hawk-eye technology. We have the saints.

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

you sound like you are five years old. Workers "rights" do not include the right to money that does not exist. If they are fed up then they should form an orderly queue outside Gordon Browns front door. Becaue it is him who spent all the money we didn't have. When are you cloud cuckoo people going to realise THERE IS NO MONEY.

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

Your Maths that poor that you need to use a calculator, try throwing or playing Darts, where you got to add, multiply, divide, and subtrack all at the same time, and do it in multi choices just in case you miss the part of the dart board your aiming at, and with out a calculator, and all done with in a split second.

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

you sound like you are five years old. Workers "rights" do not include the right to money that does not exist. If they are fed up then they should form an orderly queue outside Gordon Browns front door. Becaue it is him who spent all the money we didn't have. When are you cloud cuckoo people going to realise THERE IS NO MONEY.

Well I seem to be able to survive if there is no money. My bank balance is healthy.

There is money if I have some.

MGRA wrote:

DJ Teh wrote:

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

you sound like you are five years old. Workers "rights" do not include the right to money that does not exist. If they are fed up then they should form an orderly queue outside Gordon Browns front door. Becaue it is him who spent all the money we didn't have. When are you cloud cuckoo people going to realise THERE IS NO MONEY.

Well I seem to be able to survive if there is no money. My bank balance is healthy.

There is money if I have some.

THERE IS NO MONEY NATIONALLY.

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

afka_bill wrote:

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!! it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

It was not my choice either southy it was that or be made redundant and im a union member

Then you fight them, join a Union and stand together, Don't allow them to divide you, stand united together. The money is there, your Super rich is hoarding it for them self.
Its time you started to stand up for your self.

Sorry i miss the that said you was in a Union, Who was your Union, because now a number of your Right Wing Union Leaders have been replace and there more replacements coming.

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

MGRA wrote:

southy wrote:

MGRA wrote:
I assume the mathematically challenged on here are terrified by the though of even holding a calculator, let alone using one to work out some compound interest examples. Oh and Southy, a calculator is that thing that looks like a TV remote, but only with a small screen at the top. I think they had them when you last left your house in 1977 ! ;-)

Your Maths that poor that you need to use a calculator, try throwing or playing Darts, where you got to add, multiply, divide, and subtrack all at the same time, and do it in multi choices just in case you miss the part of the dart board your aiming at, and with out a calculator, and all done with in a split second.

everyone has to use a calculator for compound interest !?!? obviously.... do you even know what compound interest is ?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.---------------- They are now!

Well you said it Torchie1 ... but i didnt expect you to come clean and confess so quickly

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

afka_bill wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

afka_bill wrote:

allison.luella wrote:

southy wrote:

allison.luella wrote: What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!! You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

That is your choice that you made, it do not mean other aft to. And if they win it will mean improvements to your pension. knock on effect.

Southy, you really are not with it!!! it was NOT my choice to have my pension cut and the like, i did not have a choice!!! like i said stop wingeing and get back to work!!!

It was not my choice either southy it was that or be made redundant and im a union member

Then you fight them, join a Union and stand together, Don't allow them to divide you, stand united together. The money is there, your Super rich is hoarding it for them self.
Its time you started to stand up for your self.

Sorry i miss the that said you was in a Union, Who was your Union, because now a number of your Right Wing Union Leaders have been replace and there more replacements coming.

TGWU southy and they have stood up for me and several collegues several times before

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.---------------- They are now!

Well you said it Torchie1 ... but i didnt expect you to come clean and confess so quickly

That's the sort of response I'd expect from the playground....at least I'm not disappointed.

MGRA wrote:

AndyAndrews wrote:
Best wishes to all the strikers, especially those in my old union, the PCS, for at least trying to stand up to the Tory bullies, their LibDem ar*e-lickers and the pathetic so-called Labour Party. Shame on all the strike-breakers. And shame on the private sector whingers: just because you let your employers walk all over you,it's no reason to criticise those with the b*lls to stand up and be counted.

there is no money , stupid.

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

Change the tune Southy ......

when will you wake up to the fact that yes the Conservatives de-regulated banks, the FSA were supposed to be there to protect us (brought in by "new" Labour) but failed to spot the flaw in loans and mortages greater than the value of what the customers where borrowing against, that lead to the situation we are in and should of been stamped out ... not tax evasion ...again as earlier stated I do not condone this but it has always been there it is not a problem that will be resolved quickly, even if you did try to enforce this with a heavy handed tactic, the money would simply disapear from the UK componding and already dire situation,

It is about time that these reforms were made and that the public sector and private sector were brought in line!

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

Change the tune Southy ......

when will you wake up to the fact that yes the Conservatives de-regulated banks, the FSA were supposed to be there to protect us (brought in by "new" Labour) but failed to spot the flaw in loans and mortages greater than the value of what the customers where borrowing against, that lead to the situation we are in and should of been stamped out ... not tax evasion ...again as earlier stated I do not condone this but it has always been there it is not a problem that will be resolved quickly, even if you did try to enforce this with a heavy handed tactic, the money would simply disapear from the UK componding and already dire situation,

It is about time that these reforms were made and that the public sector and private sector were brought in line!

FSA only came to being when Labour was in power, but that was set up by Major (Tory). And the flaws in loans and morgages was a problem, but it was not the main one, and it was not the cause of the problems of today.
Deregulating the Financal system, And Thatcher was thinking about her self also at the time, because she was one of the first to do it though her other half. Meant money could leave this country with out any controll, and into off shore bank accounts, where they do not pay any Tax on the Interest that it earns, which accounted for £90 plus more Billion (08), That is lost Tax revenue to the country. And that is Tax Advoidance.
And its about time those Financal restrictions where put back in line, and that is not heavy handed, just doing the right thing. Iceland did after they collapse, and there Economy has stablised again because of it.
The money is disapearing from the country every single day.

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Look at the headlines....

Lloyds axes 15,000 jobs (No UK bank has ever shed so many jobs in corporate history)

HSBC say they're also axing 750 posts

Retail sector is in trouble: the industry employs close to 3m people – or some 11pc of the total UK workforce

Carpetright closing stores

Jane Norman in administration

TJ Hughes has gone into administration

700 jobs under threat as habitat go into administration

Moben owner Homeform applied to go into administration

Focus DIY into administration

Oddbins into administration putting at risk 400 jobs

HMV, Game and JJB Sports closing some stores

Mothercare said recently that it would axe 110 shops in order to focus its trading on out-of-town locations

A recent survey by RSM Tenon, the accountancy firm suggested some 67,000 retail companies across Britain are in "imminent danger of collapse"

I could go on and on

This recession is for many only now starting to bite in ways which affect them.

The strikers should accept the deal, get back to work, and count themselves lucky to have jobs.

I wouldn't want to be unskilled and unemployed in the current climate.

The recession will get much worse over the next few years. We havent yet seen interest rates start rising, and putting pressure on people with mortgages.

Economies have been printing money like water, inflation is going to be significant.

Richard Banks, chief executive of the state-backed UK Asset Resolution, has recently said he wants all banks to be firmer with people in arrears. He is in charge of three quarters of a million of the UK's mortgages, especially those with borrowers in difficulties, and has warned of a tsunami of repossessions if interest rates rise dramatically.

Cuts to benefits will also start to bite in 2012

The situation is not going to get better. The council workers need to understand that they will not be allowed to take advantage of hard working people in the private sector.

The easy demarcated jobsworth life is over for the militant socialists.

No more labour job cuts where the only the jobs get cut, and people get left with noting to do and still being paid, sat in pools for reallocation.

REAL job cuts. REAL pay cuts.

We have no choice. The public sector as it is is not affordable. THe services can be maintained, just that the people delivering them need to be paid less.

Whether it's doctors or bin men. They all need to be paid less.

AndyAndrews wrote:

MGRA wrote:

AndyAndrews wrote:
Best wishes to all the strikers, especially those in my old union, the PCS, for at least trying to stand up to the Tory bullies, their LibDem ar*e-lickers and the pathetic so-called Labour Party. Shame on all the strike-breakers. And shame on the private sector whingers: just because you let your employers walk all over you,it's no reason to criticise those with the b*lls to stand up and be counted.

there is no money , stupid.

I can find billions without breaking sweat: get out of Afghanistan and Libya immediately, and keep out of any future intrusions into the Third World.

dango wrote:
Southy, have a read of this from a website I didn't have to pay a penny to read;
http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/finance/perso

nalfinance/investing

/gold/7511589/Explai

n-why-you-sold-Brita

ins-gold-Gordon-Brow

n-told.html
Read the bit about how it cost us £7 Billion and try not to get your knickers in a twist!!

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Plan A is working, it will just take time.

Growth will be slow. There may be a double dip

Certainly retail is likely to be hit increasingly hard as families get hit by interest rate rises when they come.

There is big ticket investment which creates growth and jobs, eg olympics, high speed rail, etc

But, it is vital that in addition to seeking for growth, costs are trimmed to affordable levels.

It is shameful that Labour put us in this position. They can never be allowed to do this again.

"Gordon Brown pushed ahead with plans to pump billions of pounds of extra taxpayers’ money into the public sector despite being warned that it was being wasted, leaked documents disclose.

A confidential Treasury analysis prepared for Tony Blair’s Cabinet said that public spending should only increase in line with inflation between 2007 and 2010.

It listed areas where billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money were being squandered and savings could be made.

The leaked document from the Ed Balls files, dated January 2006, sets out “four challenges for the Cabinet”.

“Public sector productivity needs to start improving more rapidly: we’ve spent all this money, but what have we got for it?” the document asks.

Mr Brown, who was poised to take over the Labour leadership from Mr Blair, over-ruled the advice and sanctioned a spending spree. The government failed to stop virtually all the wasteful spending that had been identified.

The decision meant that Britain approached the financial crisis with a large deficit in its public finances and was less well prepared than other advanced economies.

According to the OECD, the global economic policy organisation, Britain’s public finances were among the best in the G7 group of the world’s biggest economies in 2000, but by 2007 they had deteriorated to be the worst.

Ed Balls, who is now shadow chancellor, has repeatedly insisted that public spending cannot be cut quickly or sharply, despite being given the warning over wastefulness more than five years ago. "

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/politics

/labour/8569399/Labo

ur-spending-how-Gord

on-Brown-cast-aside-

warning-on-public-sp

ending-levels.html

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

Change the tune Southy ......

when will you wake up to the fact that yes the Conservatives de-regulated banks, the FSA were supposed to be there to protect us (brought in by "new" Labour) but failed to spot the flaw in loans and mortages greater than the value of what the customers where borrowing against, that lead to the situation we are in and should of been stamped out ... not tax evasion ...again as earlier stated I do not condone this but it has always been there it is not a problem that will be resolved quickly, even if you did try to enforce this with a heavy handed tactic, the money would simply disapear from the UK componding and already dire situation,

It is about time that these reforms were made and that the public sector and private sector were brought in line!

FSA only came to being when Labour was in power, but that was set up by Major (Tory). And the flaws in loans and morgages was a problem, but it was not the main one, and it was not the cause of the problems of today.
Deregulating the Financal system, And Thatcher was thinking about her self also at the time, because she was one of the first to do it though her other half. Meant money could leave this country with out any controll, and into off shore bank accounts, where they do not pay any Tax on the Interest that it earns, which accounted for £90 plus more Billion (08), That is lost Tax revenue to the country. And that is Tax Advoidance.
And its about time those Financal restrictions where put back in line, and that is not heavy handed, just doing the right thing. Iceland did after they collapse, and there Economy has stablised again because of it.
The money is disapearing from the country every single day.

You corrected me and then agreed with me in the same sentance .... Set up by "Tory" Major ...yes ....

Then came into being when Labour where in power ....

In other words It was set up BY LABOUR as it had no say in what happened before Labour changed their role!

semantics!! if you are going to debate something have a fresh point to make otherwise its just you spitting out the same old rubbish post after post (please excuse the pun)

I Think you will find that if you trace back to late 2007 before the recession really started, the mortgage market in the UK collapsed for the very reason I outlined, the so call "NINJA" mortgages in the US and other irespponsilbe lending which could not be sustained lead to the collapse of the financial market, when the lenders tried to recall the money they couldn't as all faith had been lost in them as a viable financial product so they had debts they couldn't sell on, so once sadled with debt that could not be underwritten it opened up a huge black hole of money that simply wasn't there, it was really all on a promise, that caused an avalanche effect in the financial system around the world leading to where we are today!

so please get it right then I won't have to correct you next time......

freefinker wrote:

dango wrote:
Southy, have a read of this from a website I didn't have to pay a penny to read;
http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/finance/perso


nalfinance/investing


/gold/7511589/Explai


n-why-you-sold-Brita


ins-gold-Gordon-Brow


n-told.html
Read the bit about how it cost us £7 Billion and try not to get your knickers in a twist!!

ah, but only southy is allowed to quote from free to use websites.
.
If anybody else does it it's "tailored information". So, no need for southy to pay any attention to inconvenient facts.

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

Change the tune Southy ......

when will you wake up to the fact that yes the Conservatives de-regulated banks, the FSA were supposed to be there to protect us (brought in by "new" Labour) but failed to spot the flaw in loans and mortages greater than the value of what the customers where borrowing against, that lead to the situation we are in and should of been stamped out ... not tax evasion ...again as earlier stated I do not condone this but it has always been there it is not a problem that will be resolved quickly, even if you did try to enforce this with a heavy handed tactic, the money would simply disapear from the UK componding and already dire situation,

It is about time that these reforms were made and that the public sector and private sector were brought in line!

FSA only came to being when Labour was in power, but that was set up by Major (Tory). And the flaws in loans and morgages was a problem, but it was not the main one, and it was not the cause of the problems of today.
Deregulating the Financal system, And Thatcher was thinking about her self also at the time, because she was one of the first to do it though her other half. Meant money could leave this country with out any controll, and into off shore bank accounts, where they do not pay any Tax on the Interest that it earns, which accounted for £90 plus more Billion (08), That is lost Tax revenue to the country. And that is Tax Advoidance.
And its about time those Financal restrictions where put back in line, and that is not heavy handed, just doing the right thing. Iceland did after they collapse, and there Economy has stablised again because of it.
The money is disapearing from the country every single day.

You corrected me and then agreed with me in the same sentance .... Set up by "Tory" Major ...yes ....

Then came into being when Labour where in power ....

In other words It was set up BY LABOUR as it had no say in what happened before Labour changed their role!

semantics!! if you are going to debate something have a fresh point to make otherwise its just you spitting out the same old rubbish post after post (please excuse the pun)

I Think you will find that if you trace back to late 2007 before the recession really started, the mortgage market in the UK collapsed for the very reason I outlined, the so call "NINJA" mortgages in the US and other irespponsilbe lending which could not be sustained lead to the collapse of the financial market, when the lenders tried to recall the money they couldn't as all faith had been lost in them as a viable financial product so they had debts they couldn't sell on, so once sadled with debt that could not be underwritten it opened up a huge black hole of money that simply wasn't there, it was really all on a promise, that caused an avalanche effect in the financial system around the world leading to where we are today!

so please get it right then I won't have to correct you next time......

No it was set up by the Torys, not by Labour it only came in to being under Labour, Like the PFI was set up by Thatcher another bad idea, but only came into being under Major, Labour had nothing to do FSA, Like many policys they take time, and often only get implemented after after the Governemnt who set them up has been kick out of office.
Labour mistake was not to correct the faults right away, but left it.
The Icelantic Finaical Cash was cause by a request from the USA, UK and Germany to remove the same type of Finanical restrictions that use to be inplace here in the UK, that Thatcher removed, And because of that the same thing happened there, Companys removed there money and put it an off shore tax free banking, so Iceland too started to lose Billions in Interest Tax, and they crash, but Iceland has now put back those Finanical restrictions and there Economy has now stablised, because there money is keep with in that country and are again getting the Tax on the interest.
We only got to do the same and replace those Finaical restictions, and we would be £120 Billion per year better off.

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Southy,

the root of our current problems are firmly with labour

"According to the OECD, the global economic policy organisation, Britain’s public finances were among the best in the G7 group of the world’s biggest economies in 2000, but by 2007 they had deteriorated to be the worst."

MGRA wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_

together wrote:
Plan A is working, it will just take time.

Growth will be slow. There may be a double dip

Certainly retail is likely to be hit increasingly hard as families get hit by interest rate rises when they come.

There is big ticket investment which creates growth and jobs, eg olympics, high speed rail, etc

But, it is vital that in addition to seeking for growth, costs are trimmed to affordable levels.

It is shameful that Labour put us in this position. They can never be allowed to do this again.

"Gordon Brown pushed ahead with plans to pump billions of pounds of extra taxpayers’ money into the public sector despite being warned that it was being wasted, leaked documents disclose.

A confidential Treasury analysis prepared for Tony Blair’s Cabinet said that public spending should only increase in line with inflation between 2007 and 2010.

It listed areas where billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money were being squandered and savings could be made.

The leaked document from the Ed Balls files, dated January 2006, sets out “four challenges for the Cabinet”.

“Public sector productivity needs to start improving more rapidly: we’ve spent all this money, but what have we got for it?” the document asks.

Mr Brown, who was poised to take over the Labour leadership from Mr Blair, over-ruled the advice and sanctioned a spending spree. The government failed to stop virtually all the wasteful spending that had been identified.

The decision meant that Britain approached the financial crisis with a large deficit in its public finances and was less well prepared than other advanced economies.

According to the OECD, the global economic policy organisation, Britain’s public finances were among the best in the G7 group of the world’s biggest economies in 2000, but by 2007 they had deteriorated to be the worst.

Ed Balls, who is now shadow chancellor, has repeatedly insisted that public spending cannot be cut quickly or sharply, despite being given the warning over wastefulness more than five years ago. "

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/news/politics


/labour/8569399/Labo


ur-spending-how-Gord


on-Brown-cast-aside-


warning-on-public-sp


ending-levels.html

labour will never be trusted with the national accounts again. Your correct on virtually everything you say... one real spanner though is plan A is slow enough to make sterling a "sell".... our currency is taking a hammering meaning exporters are ok but only if they do not rely heavily on imported raw materials. Morons posting here about "workers rights" dont understand or care about the reality of the national accounts, the lazy fat union bosses shout "jump" and they reply "how high"... gullible sheep.
People who think labour are not to blame for this mess are either stupid or deluded.

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

rolling along wrote:

southy wrote:

Elgy wrote:
Where does the money come from to pay for these pensions and higher wages? Selling off gold reserves and borrowing more money? Oh no I forgot, Labour are no longer in power.

First of all ask who has all the money and hoarding it for them selfs, this is effecting every single Capitalist run Country, things like the Super Rich and there Tax Advoidance and Evasion to the tune of £120 Billion, and that was last year figure, and they been getting away with this since the 80's Thacter Tory Government.
The Capitalist World is about to burn in the world, people world wide have had enough.

Change the tune Southy ......

when will you wake up to the fact that yes the Conservatives de-regulated banks, the FSA were supposed to be there to protect us (brought in by "new" Labour) but failed to spot the flaw in loans and mortages greater than the value of what the customers where borrowing against, that lead to the situation we are in and should of been stamped out ... not tax evasion ...again as earlier stated I do not condone this but it has always been there it is not a problem that will be resolved quickly, even if you did try to enforce this with a heavy handed tactic, the money would simply disapear from the UK componding and already dire situation,

It is about time that these reforms were made and that the public sector and private sector were brought in line!

FSA only came to being when Labour was in power, but that was set up by Major (Tory). And the flaws in loans and morgages was a problem, but it was not the main one, and it was not the cause of the problems of today.
Deregulating the Financal system, And Thatcher was thinking about her self also at the time, because she was one of the first to do it though her other half. Meant money could leave this country with out any controll, and into off shore bank accounts, where they do not pay any Tax on the Interest that it earns, which accounted for £90 plus more Billion (08), That is lost Tax revenue to the country. And that is Tax Advoidance.
And its about time those Financal restrictions where put back in line, and that is not heavy handed, just doing the right thing. Iceland did after they collapse, and there Economy has stablised again because of it.
The money is disapearing from the country every single day.

You corrected me and then agreed with me in the same sentance .... Set up by "Tory" Major ...yes ....

Then came into being when Labour where in power ....

In other words It was set up BY LABOUR as it had no say in what happened before Labour changed their role!

semantics!! if you are going to debate something have a fresh point to make otherwise its just you spitting out the same old rubbish post after post (please excuse the pun)

I Think you will find that if you trace back to late 2007 before the recession really started, the mortgage market in the UK collapsed for the very reason I outlined, the so call "NINJA" mortgages in the US and other irespponsilbe lending which could not be sustained lead to the collapse of the financial market, when the lenders tried to recall the money they couldn't as all faith had been lost in them as a viable financial product so they had debts they couldn't sell on, so once sadled with debt that could not be underwritten it opened up a huge black hole of money that simply wasn't there, it was really all on a promise, that caused an avalanche effect in the financial system around the world leading to where we are today!

so please get it right then I won't have to correct you next time......

No it was set up by the Torys, not by Labour it only came in to being under Labour, Like the PFI was set up by Thatcher another bad idea, but only came into being under Major, Labour had nothing to do FSA, Like many policys they take time, and often only get implemented after after the Governemnt who set them up has been kick out of office.
Labour mistake was not to correct the faults right away, but left it.
The Icelantic Finaical Cash was cause by a request from the USA, UK and Germany to remove the same type of Finanical restrictions that use to be inplace here in the UK, that Thatcher removed, And because of that the same thing happened there, Companys removed there money and put it an off shore tax free banking, so Iceland too started to lose Billions in Interest Tax, and they crash, but Iceland has now put back those Finanical restrictions and there Economy has now stablised, because there money is keep with in that country and are again getting the Tax on the interest.
We only got to do the same and replace those Finaical restictions, and we would be £120 Billion per year better off.

DO you read anything or just spout your opinion .... plus you have jsut contradicted yourself and agreed with me but not in the same sentance ...AGAIN .... please read what I said about debating having a fresh point to make and not spouting the same old rubbish ..... its this kind of bl@@dy minded ignorant attitude that gets us all nowhere!!! ........

Shoong wrote:
If you're against the strikes, then today should be taken as a positive.

Hopefully June 30th 2011 will be the day the great majority of this nation see the Unions for what they really are, self serving,delusional & all lose all sympathy for a group of easily led adults influenced by fat cat Union leaders. Could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Unions in the current form.

It could be a great day.

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

Just to pick up on a couple of points you made. My own company looked long and hard at the UK regulations and overall taxation that we were subject to before taking the difficult decision to fold the UK operation and relocate to Europe. Most employees were offered a relocation package but virtually none moved across so the bottom line was a total loss of taxation revenue to the Exchequer and over two hundred people on benefits. One thing we shared with the 'well heeled
frightened millionaires' was the ability to say No more, we've had enough. It's very nice to think that you can bleed sources dry of their wealth but work out what 100% of nothing is and that's what you'll see more of. Where we are now the Income Tax is a flat rate of 15% and no-one objects to paying up. At 50%, the UK doesn't look so attractive and when individuals and companies can move off-shore at the drop of a hat, it might be wise to stop being so envious in your outlook and adopt a more concilliatory approach.

StEmmosfire wrote:

VeryWorriedParent wrote:
All these comments make me sick. If these new terms and conditions come into effect I will be £250 a month worse off. Yes this will have a knock on effect my Son will receive more student loan which he won't have to pay back. Yes I will get working tax credits and yes I will get some child care costs back. Oh I may also loose my home. So I could go from claiming no benefits to being a state scrounging bum,like most people on here who seem to have nothing else to do all day. Lets think what will cost local and central government most.

b@llocks. you clearly lived behond your means and our now suffering the consequences. Now go and sign the save our heart unit campaign though it may be to late.

MGRA wrote:

My View From Here wrote:
Strike! Strike! Strike!

I'm so glad workers are standing up for their rights.

Both locally and nationally the Tories have it wrong.

I hope the unions brings down this ConDem coalition down and Royston does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.

The Tories are bullies plain and simple

you sound like you are five years old. Workers "rights" do not include the right to money that does not exist. If they are fed up then they should form an orderly queue outside Gordon Browns front door. Becaue it is him who spent all the money we didn't have. When are you cloud cuckoo people going to realise THERE IS NO MONEY.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.
.
The trouble is they seem to think its only their Tory views which are correct.... which of course is one of the biggest mistakes that the Tories are making at the moment.
.
However, it also appears that a large number of posters seem to think that the Public Sector is made up from Teachers , bin men and roadsweepers.
.
This allows them to conveniently to forget...... Police, Ambulance, Fire fighters, Coastguard, Nurses, Doctors, Armed Forces, Security Units, Teachers, Government employees,,etc etc. Many of whom have devoted their working lives to their chosen career in the PS. No not for the money or pension but for the love of it.
.
Perhaps if i feel that my children are given a good eucation, feel safe in our home during night and day, feel safe from terrorist attack, have some comfort
.
Well i can tell you that should we be taken ill or injured that the will be a professional on hand to help. Should there be a problem at sea, or civil unrest in some part of the world we have UNCELFISH human beings that will take on all situations without question.
.
These are just some of the reasons why i will support EVERY PS worker if he or she feels that this Country is letting them down.
.
Now tell me ...... What do you do for your fellow man without question

All the usual vile offensive posters on here again who think that know it all.---------------- They are now!

Well you said it Torchie1 ... but i didnt expect you to come clean and confess so quickly

That's the sort of response I'd expect from the playground....at least I'm not disappointed.

Sorry if you were offended Torchie1 .... now you know how you come across to other posters

Bronson69 wrote:
Teachers really have got it hard haven't they ?

An average salary of 35 k with a possible of over 100 k if you move up the ladder , 3 months payed holiday a year and a possible pension pot of 500 k .

No wonder they're not happy !!!

hatpacker wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

Just to pick up on a couple of points you made. My own company looked long and hard at the UK regulations and overall taxation that we were subject to before taking the difficult decision to fold the UK operation and relocate to Europe. Most employees were offered a relocation package but virtually none moved across so the bottom line was a total loss of taxation revenue to the Exchequer and over two hundred people on benefits. One thing we shared with the 'well heeled
frightened millionaires' was the ability to say No more, we've had enough. It's very nice to think that you can bleed sources dry of their wealth but work out what 100% of nothing is and that's what you'll see more of. Where we are now the Income Tax is a flat rate of 15% and no-one objects to paying up. At 50%, the UK doesn't look so attractive and when individuals and companies can move off-shore at the drop of a hat, it might be wise to stop being so envious in your outlook and adopt a more concilliatory approach.

You mis-understand me. I am not interested in a millionaires wealth until it affects me & mine. I wonder why you went to Europe? From what you say it wasn't for the benefit of your workers. However, European legislation allows for this. I much prefer that our membership of the EU has meant that there has not been a third world war on the continent of Europe. However, the ruling elites have waged war on a different continent and not in my name. Now, if you look at the economics of the UK, the G8, the G20 it is the economics of dispair. UK PLC has not found its role in the 21st century. If, and it's a bloody big if, tax avoidance loop-holes were plugged we could probably have tax thresholds at about the 15% level you suggest. If you think things are bad wait until the capitalist system finds a country that provides call centres at a cheaper price than India. What happens to the price of commodities when China has set the price of metals, both heavy & rare, too high for European & US companies to afford. If the world economy is left to the Capitalists then we are all in trouble. I am not envious of your wealth but now you've started running you better have a good pair of running shoes & lycra shorts because you've got many marathons to run. I wish you well as you try to keep the wealth that your workers have provided you with.

dango wrote:
I have just read the TUSC policies, as listed on their own website. They're a bunch of bloody crackpots!

freefinker wrote:

dango wrote:
I have just read the TUSC policies, as listed on their own website. They're a bunch of bloody crackpots!

.. ah, but it's a free-to-view website so what do you expect?
southy would agree with you - it's "tailored information" after all.

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

allison.luella wrote:
Have any of you public sector workers living in a council house or are you all living in your own homes? well i am a private sector worker i cant afford to buy a house, my salary isnt enough!!!! and when my mother and i need work doing to our horrible council house, we have to wait mo6nths before getting anything done!!! and then its not done properly!!! so have to wait more months before anything gets done!!!

WE DONT WANT TO BE LIVING IN A COUNCIL HOUSE, BUT WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE!!!

I for one back Royston Smith and what he is trying to do!!! the only thing i would ring fence is the libraries, they are needed. as well as the binmen!!!!

dango wrote:
That IronLady's always got a glass of wine in her hand, I hope she recycles!
s/w soft-acid. Not for a long time, and it was always strong!

fairdinkum wrote:
I've just taken my rubbish to the town dump. Next step - cancel direct debit to council. Perhaps if more did the same it would focus the minds of those responsible for good industrial relations with their workforce ie SCC.

Bronson69 wrote:
Teachers really have got it hard haven't they ?

An average salary of 35 k with a possible of over 100 k if you move up the ladder , 3 months payed holiday a year and a possible pension pot of 500 k .

No wonder they're not happy !!!

vesuvius wrote:

Bronson69 wrote:
Teachers really have got it hard haven't they ?

An average salary of 35 k with a possible of over 100 k if you move up the ladder , 3 months payed holiday a year and a possible pension pot of 500 k .

No wonder they're not happy !!!

This is the sort of outrageous mis-information which has led to the public not really understanding what the teachers are striking about. Where do people get these figures from?
Ignore this moron - it's utter rubbish.

vesuvius wrote:

Bronson69 wrote:
Teachers really have got it hard haven't they ?

An average salary of 35 k with a possible of over 100 k if you move up the ladder , 3 months payed holiday a year and a possible pension pot of 500 k .

No wonder they're not happy !!!

This is the sort of outrageous mis-information which has led to the public not really understanding what the teachers are striking about. Where do people get these figures from?
Ignore this moron - it's utter rubbish.

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

loosehead wrote:
I won't mention this guy's name but a teacher I've known for about 20years said to me "this is the previous governments fault.if they had tackled the welfare state like they promised the country wouldn't be in this situation.look at those flat's over there ( Millbrook) all those on social & they can't even get off their bums & keep it clean it's a disgusting tip. they should be made to go out to work & then the social payments would nose dive & they wouldn't have to hit the public sector" sounds like he's a true brother of Southy! Can't you left wingers get it.most of this country wants the welfare state sorted before they take a hit but then we'll have the TUSC up in arms about that won't we?on the telly today they were saying work till 68? I thought women were being made equal to men & had to retire at 66 after all they wanted equality on pay so why not retiring age?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I won't mention this guy's name but a teacher I've known for about 20years said to me "this is the previous governments fault.if they had tackled the welfare state like they promised the country wouldn't be in this situation.look at those flat's over there ( Millbrook) all those on social & they can't even get off their bums & keep it clean it's a disgusting tip. they should be made to go out to work & then the social payments would nose dive & they wouldn't have to hit the public sector" sounds like he's a true brother of Southy! Can't you left wingers get it.most of this country wants the welfare state sorted before they take a hit but then we'll have the TUSC up in arms about that won't we?on the telly today they were saying work till 68? I thought women were being made equal to men & had to retire at 66 after all they wanted equality on pay so why not retiring age?

Not naming now?? funny how you always come across someone that supports your views. Teachers come from all walks of life so hardly surprising that at least one person purports to have the same views as you. .... wonder you haven't 'overheard' teachers down the town again cacklng about overtime, huge salaries and how they're screwing the public over. Your little stories are how holding little water and people have seen right through your propaganda. I never thought I'd say this but you're worse than Southy! oh and I see your and MGRA or whatever his username is, predictions about mass riots and violence have fallen VERY flat today..... funny how this hasn't been mentioned since isn't it....

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

Just to pick up on a couple of points you made. My own company looked long and hard at the UK regulations and overall taxation that we were subject to before taking the difficult decision to fold the UK operation and relocate to Europe. Most employees were offered a relocation package but virtually none moved across so the bottom line was a total loss of taxation revenue to the Exchequer and over two hundred people on benefits. One thing we shared with the 'well heeled
frightened millionaires' was the ability to say No more, we've had enough. It's very nice to think that you can bleed sources dry of their wealth but work out what 100% of nothing is and that's what you'll see more of. Where we are now the Income Tax is a flat rate of 15% and no-one objects to paying up. At 50%, the UK doesn't look so attractive and when individuals and companies can move off-shore at the drop of a hat, it might be wise to stop being so envious in your outlook and adopt a more concilliatory approach.

You mis-understand me. I am not interested in a millionaires wealth until it affects me & mine. I wonder why you went to Europe? From what you say it wasn't for the benefit of your workers. However, European legislation allows for this. I much prefer that our membership of the EU has meant that there has not been a third world war on the continent of Europe. However, the ruling elites have waged war on a different continent and not in my name. Now, if you look at the economics of the UK, the G8, the G20 it is the economics of dispair. UK PLC has not found its role in the 21st century. If, and it's a bloody big if, tax avoidance loop-holes were plugged we could probably have tax thresholds at about the 15% level you suggest. If you think things are bad wait until the capitalist system finds a country that provides call centres at a cheaper price than India. What happens to the price of commodities when China has set the price of metals, both heavy & rare, too high for European & US companies to afford. If the world economy is left to the Capitalists then we are all in trouble. I am not envious of your wealth but now you've started running you better have a good pair of running shoes & lycra shorts because you've got many marathons to run. I wish you well as you try to keep the wealth that your workers have provided you with.

"Keep the wealth that my workers have provided me with?" I wonder if the almost five hundred people we now employ would have helped us negotiate the massive loans that we pledged our worldly goods against or waded through the maze of EU legislation so that we could build and start up a factory in Prague.....and that was only part of it. I could have opted for a much quieter lifestyle and a humdrum job paying nothing so that I could join you and moan about 'the bosses' but along with a small group of others I decided to start again with all of the effort and stress that it entailed. We've made a hell of a lot of money but we took all the risks and now almost five hundred people are enjoying the benefits of those hard decisions. The easiest thing in the world is to sit in a chair, take no risks and moan about the lifestyle enjoyed by other people who can't do the same. I had no springboard to help me but a determination that I'd never be short of money. I know that hard work is an old fashioned notion but that's my secret and I've sared it with you for nothing.

allison.luella wrote:
BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!!

AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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allison.luella wrote:
BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!!

AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MGRA wrote:
"what do we want ?" "a ruined country" "when do we want it?" "NOW !!"

"Selfish Selfish Selfish,,,, ME ME ME"

can anyone think of any other things the lazy parasites should be chanting ?

MGRA wrote:
classic thread by tw%ts who say "private" sector "roll over"... because their bossed wont harvest the money tree in the back yard. absolutely classic. this country deserves to be in the mess its in. you village idiots would take you own front door on holiday with you if you couldn't lock it, your so thick...

IronLady2010 wrote:

dango wrote:
That IronLady's always got a glass of wine in her hand, I hope she recycles!
s/w soft-acid. Not for a long time, and it was always strong!

They say a glass of wine is healthy and I agree! I also agree that sitting on here is healthy as it makes you smile ;-)

Although, some to get a bit carried away 9-5 on here?

Let's face it the strikes are not achieving anything, they are just winding people up and turning one another against each other.

I feel for the workers as they are risking everything! x

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

dango wrote:
That IronLady's always got a glass of wine in her hand, I hope she recycles!
s/w soft-acid. Not for a long time, and it was always strong!

They say a glass of wine is healthy and I agree! I also agree that sitting on here is healthy as it makes you smile ;-)

Although, some to get a bit carried away 9-5 on here?

Let's face it the strikes are not achieving anything, they are just winding people up and turning one another against each other.

I feel for the workers as they are risking everything! x

You keep alluding to these activists as winding people up, as if they are not people themselves, these are just human beings, the same as you, who are seeing injustice in their lives and are fighting for a fair deal, the fact that it is incovenient is part of the battle to get a sensible outcome. Your protests are part of the armoury, the more you moan the better the effect.

IronLady2010 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

dango wrote:
That IronLady's always got a glass of wine in her hand, I hope she recycles!
s/w soft-acid. Not for a long time, and it was always strong!

They say a glass of wine is healthy and I agree! I also agree that sitting on here is healthy as it makes you smile ;-)

Although, some to get a bit carried away 9-5 on here?

Let's face it the strikes are not achieving anything, they are just winding people up and turning one another against each other.

I feel for the workers as they are risking everything! x

You keep alluding to these activists as winding people up, as if they are not people themselves, these are just human beings, the same as you, who are seeing injustice in their lives and are fighting for a fair deal, the fact that it is incovenient is part of the battle to get a sensible outcome. Your protests are part of the armoury, the more you moan the better the effect.

Have some wine and chill a little?

The workers will need some wine soon!

allison.luella wrote:
Have any of you public sector workers living in a council house or are you all living in your own homes? well i am a private sector worker i cant afford to buy a house, my salary isnt enough!!!! and when my mother and i need work doing to our horrible council house, we have to wait mo6nths before getting anything done!!! and then its not done properly!!! so have to wait more months before anything gets done!!! WE DONT WANT TO BE LIVING IN A COUNCIL HOUSE, BUT WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE!!! I for one back Royston Smith and what he is trying to do!!! the only thing i would ring fence is the libraries, they are needed. as well as the binmen!!!!

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Southy,

the root of our current problems are firmly with labour

"According to the OECD, the global economic policy organisation, Britain’s public finances were among the best in the G7 group of the world’s biggest economies in 2000, but by 2007 they had deteriorated to be the worst."

Linesman wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!!

AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!!


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"AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE IT IS TODAY."
How do you work that out Allison?

Since when were the Labour Party in charge of the American (repeat) American Banks that failed, and started a domino-effect on banks virtually world-wide?

It was because of this 'Domino-effect' that the Labour Government had to bail out banks here so that thousands of people did not lose their savings and others have their houses repossessed.

It was also this 'Domino-effect' that caused the Icelandic banks to fail. The Icelandic banks that had offered excellent interest rates to Local, Town, City and County Councils. The same Local, Town, City and County Councils that had to be saved from bankruptcy by the Labour Government.

In your wisdom, perhaps you would remind us what alternative policy that the Tory opposition and the LibDems proposed at the tim?

You can't remember?

Understandable! They had no alternative plan to offer, but now that they are in power, they blame the Labour Government that saved the UK from being in the same state that Greece is now, and what a fine job the ConDems are doing now.

hatpacker wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

hatpacker wrote:

allison.luella wrote:
What about the private sector!! We had accept the pension changes, we didnt have a choice!!! (the same as what you have to accept). now grow up get back to work and stop wingeing, you are getting paid alot more than what we are in the private sector!! and not only that after your pension changes you are still going to have very generous settlements!!

You have guessed it i am very much against these strikes!!!!

What about the private sector? Spineless if the threads on here are true. Because you and your friends won't/can't stand up to bullies you seem to think that the workers in the public sector should just roll over ~ get real & get up off your knees; there are workers who will help you. Now to some facts. The teacher's pension fund HAS NOT been audited by Government why? Because it is a self funding pension scheme that takes in more than it pays out in pensions. The LGPA - Local Government Pension Scheme also receives more in than it pays out in pensions. Now to my own pension which is currently worth nearly £1200 per annum after 10 years of contributions. Not exactly gold plated! If Government has their way 3% will be taken from our pension fund ~ don't ask me why, I can't find a reason for them doing it. To then keep my pension at its present level I will then have to increase my contribution by 3% but, no guarentees that my pension will remain the same size as the last forecast. Now, you say that you are against these strikes; well if you side with the Government the you will lose even more. If you increase costs and put more people out of work you reduce the amount of disposable income people have. That's less money to spend in the local economy & shops. Then you want to reduce pensions? Pensioners are on a fixed income. The Government propose to reduce pensions, again reducing the amount of disposable income that pensioners have. You have succeeded in worsening the lives of thousands and for what? To keep bankers in the level of bonuses that are obscene, ensuring that the Exchequer and HM Taxes allow billions to be avoided in tax revenues that might be collected if avoidance loop-holes were closed. Not finding an alternative to the trident system. So no, you don't need to penalise pensioners, the working class (private & public) and everyone else just trying to make a living. An expanding economy is something we would all benefit from rather than a shrinking economy that favours a few wealthy, well-heeled frightened millionaires worried they will lose their fortunes and their cosetted life-styles so they dream this economic madness and many people have fallen for. IT DOESN'T have to be this way.

Just to pick up on a couple of points you made. My own company looked long and hard at the UK regulations and overall taxation that we were subject to before taking the difficult decision to fold the UK operation and relocate to Europe. Most employees were offered a relocation package but virtually none moved across so the bottom line was a total loss of taxation revenue to the Exchequer and over two hundred people on benefits. One thing we shared with the 'well heeled
frightened millionaires' was the ability to say No more, we've had enough. It's very nice to think that you can bleed sources dry of their wealth but work out what 100% of nothing is and that's what you'll see more of. Where we are now the Income Tax is a flat rate of 15% and no-one objects to paying up. At 50%, the UK doesn't look so attractive and when individuals and companies can move off-shore at the drop of a hat, it might be wise to stop being so envious in your outlook and adopt a more concilliatory approach.

You mis-understand me. I am not interested in a millionaires wealth until it affects me & mine. I wonder why you went to Europe? From what you say it wasn't for the benefit of your workers. However, European legislation allows for this. I much prefer that our membership of the EU has meant that there has not been a third world war on the continent of Europe. However, the ruling elites have waged war on a different continent and not in my name. Now, if you look at the economics of the UK, the G8, the G20 it is the economics of dispair. UK PLC has not found its role in the 21st century. If, and it's a bloody big if, tax avoidance loop-holes were plugged we could probably have tax thresholds at about the 15% level you suggest. If you think things are bad wait until the capitalist system finds a country that provides call centres at a cheaper price than India. What happens to the price of commodities when China has set the price of metals, both heavy & rare, too high for European & US companies to afford. If the world economy is left to the Capitalists then we are all in trouble. I am not envious of your wealth but now you've started running you better have a good pair of running shoes & lycra shorts because you've got many marathons to run. I wish you well as you try to keep the wealth that your workers have provided you with.

"Keep the wealth that my workers have provided me with?" I wonder if the almost five hundred people we now employ would have helped us negotiate the massive loans that we pledged our worldly goods against or waded through the maze of EU legislation so that we could build and start up a factory in Prague.....and that was only part of it. I could have opted for a much quieter lifestyle and a humdrum job paying nothing so that I could join you and moan about 'the bosses' but along with a small group of others I decided to start again with all of the effort and stress that it entailed. We've made a hell of a lot of money but we took all the risks and now almost five hundred people are enjoying the benefits of those hard decisions. The easiest thing in the world is to sit in a chair, take no risks and moan about the lifestyle enjoyed by other people who can't do the same. I had no springboard to help me but a determination that I'd never be short of money. I know that hard work is an old fashioned notion but that's my secret and I've sared it with you for nothing.

I'm beginning to think I have the upper hand here. Why did you go to Prague? If you had a thought for your work force you would have taken them with you. You ask 'would the nearly 500 people you employ would have helped you negotiate ... massive loans ... or wade through the maze of EU legislation?' They might have done if you would only ask them. You seem to be an employer that doesn't know that your workforce may have more talents than just work. If you were to understand probability then everyone of us take risks everyday of our lives. All that is to be said is that the risks are different. If your determination is based on money then I'm happy that your factory is in Prague. And finally, no I'm not moaning I am just trying to put an alternative view point.

southy wrote:

cyber_fug wrote:
LABOUR, BNP, UKIP, LIB/DEMS and the TORYS, what the difference between them very little they are all Right Wing Partys all on that Gravy Train, If you want change and some different from the last 30 years then the TUSC is for you, think about that when next at polling stations to put your X down, because the TUSC will do the right things for the workers of the UK.

Maybe the reason why they are almost the same is that politics have since since the dinosaur socialists were a little more popular, been proven and is based on common sense and not militancy.

I see the Socialist lead government in Greece is still doing them the power of good !!!

I have also done a little local research, you seem to have had quite a few jobs / employers in the past....several also got rid of you because, in some cases, you weren't quite up to the mark...... is this why you are bitter about employers ???

Oh look at the lies your telling cyber_fug your telling at the bottom part, and it is pure lies, I never been sack, or got rid off, from any job, most have ask to come back, on the next contact work. One thing for sure I know you would never be able to do the trade that I was in, You don't have the brains to do it, plus probley scare you to much where its is a dangerst trade to be in.

Socialism a Dinosaur that is funny, if thats the case what do that make Capitalism a primeval soup seeing that Capitalism is a lot older than Solicalism.

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

My View From Here wrote:

Linesman wrote:

allison.luella wrote: BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!! AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE IT IS TODAY." How do you work that out Allison? Since when were the Labour Party in charge of the American (repeat) American Banks that failed, and started a domino-effect on banks virtually world-wide? It was because of this 'Domino-effect' that the Labour Government had to bail out banks here so that thousands of people did not lose their savings and others have their houses repossessed. It was also this 'Domino-effect' that caused the Icelandic banks to fail. The Icelandic banks that had offered excellent interest rates to Local, Town, City and County Councils. The same Local, Town, City and County Councils that had to be saved from bankruptcy by the Labour Government. In your wisdom, perhaps you would remind us what alternative policy that the Tory opposition and the LibDems proposed at the tim? You can't remember? Understandable! They had no alternative plan to offer, but now that they are in power, they blame the Labour Government that saved the UK from being in the same state that Greece is now, and what a fine job the ConDems are doing now.

100% Linesman. Labour rescue package of the British Banking system, was the only way forward at that time, it had cross support from the Tories and the Liberals, they had no alternative The cuts being inflicted on the country has nothing whatsoever to with Labour Government, its the speed the ConDem idiots are wanting to pay the debt back that's crippling us. This Tory led folly will end in disaster, just like Greece now.

allison.luella wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

Linesman wrote:

allison.luella wrote: BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!! AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE IT IS TODAY." How do you work that out Allison? Since when were the Labour Party in charge of the American (repeat) American Banks that failed, and started a domino-effect on banks virtually world-wide? It was because of this 'Domino-effect' that the Labour Government had to bail out banks here so that thousands of people did not lose their savings and others have their houses repossessed. It was also this 'Domino-effect' that caused the Icelandic banks to fail. The Icelandic banks that had offered excellent interest rates to Local, Town, City and County Councils. The same Local, Town, City and County Councils that had to be saved from bankruptcy by the Labour Government. In your wisdom, perhaps you would remind us what alternative policy that the Tory opposition and the LibDems proposed at the tim? You can't remember? Understandable! They had no alternative plan to offer, but now that they are in power, they blame the Labour Government that saved the UK from being in the same state that Greece is now, and what a fine job the ConDems are doing now.

100% Linesman. Labour rescue package of the British Banking system, was the only way forward at that time, it had cross support from the Tories and the Liberals, they had no alternative The cuts being inflicted on the country has nothing whatsoever to with Labour Government, its the speed the ConDem idiots are wanting to pay the debt back that's crippling us. This Tory led folly will end in disaster, just like Greece now.

Quite simply because it was Labour who over spent, encouraged people to take out mortgages they couldnt afford etc etc!!

it just happened that also banks ran out of cash!!

and now who suffers us who are trying to save our money which is now worthless!!

thats why!! quite simple!!!

allison.luella wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

Linesman wrote:

allison.luella wrote: BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!! AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE IT IS TODAY." How do you work that out Allison? Since when were the Labour Party in charge of the American (repeat) American Banks that failed, and started a domino-effect on banks virtually world-wide? It was because of this 'Domino-effect' that the Labour Government had to bail out banks here so that thousands of people did not lose their savings and others have their houses repossessed. It was also this 'Domino-effect' that caused the Icelandic banks to fail. The Icelandic banks that had offered excellent interest rates to Local, Town, City and County Councils. The same Local, Town, City and County Councils that had to be saved from bankruptcy by the Labour Government. In your wisdom, perhaps you would remind us what alternative policy that the Tory opposition and the LibDems proposed at the tim? You can't remember? Understandable! They had no alternative plan to offer, but now that they are in power, they blame the Labour Government that saved the UK from being in the same state that Greece is now, and what a fine job the ConDems are doing now.

100% Linesman. Labour rescue package of the British Banking system, was the only way forward at that time, it had cross support from the Tories and the Liberals, they had no alternative The cuts being inflicted on the country has nothing whatsoever to with Labour Government, its the speed the ConDem idiots are wanting to pay the debt back that's crippling us. This Tory led folly will end in disaster, just like Greece now.

Quite simply because it was Labour who over spent, encouraged people to take out mortgages they couldnt afford etc etc!!

it just happened that also banks ran out of cash!!

and now who suffers us who are trying to save our money which is now worthless!!

thats why!! quite simple!!!

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

I know of no group in the public sector that have a 'share option' that is quite common in many private sector companies.

I know of no group in the public sector, other than the 'top dogs', that attend functions such as football, cricket and other events 'to discuss business.'

I know of no group in the public sector that have private medical insurance paid by their employers, but it is not unusual for it to happen in private business.

Subsidised travel and meals are a rareity in the public sector, but not in the private sector.

These 'perks' are not available because, when the Unions and staff associations raise them in their negotiations, they are informed that, as they are paid for 'from the public purse', they could not be justified.

When comparisons are made - like for like - with private industry, it has always been pointed out that, 'you have job security and a pensionable job' which is why you are paid less now, because you gain in the future.

Well, you can now see how secure those jobs are, and the pensions, that would have gone some way to compensate, they are now planning to cut.

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

I know of no group in the public sector that have a 'share option' that is quite common in many private sector companies.

I know of no group in the public sector, other than the 'top dogs', that attend functions such as football, cricket and other events 'to discuss business.'

I know of no group in the public sector that have private medical insurance paid by their employers, but it is not unusual for it to happen in private business.

Subsidised travel and meals are a rareity in the public sector, but not in the private sector.

These 'perks' are not available because, when the Unions and staff associations raise them in their negotiations, they are informed that, as they are paid for 'from the public purse', they could not be justified.

When comparisons are made - like for like - with private industry, it has always been pointed out that, 'you have job security and a pensionable job' which is why you are paid less now, because you gain in the future.

Well, you can now see how secure those jobs are, and the pensions, that would have gone some way to compensate, they are now planning to cut.

Fair comment deserves a fair reply. First it's important to compare like with like. Yes CEOs and the like can be seen at WImbledon and Old Trafford but you are talking about a sector that contains 35 million people. When you are contrasting the fortunes of the humble liibrarian or teacher you need to compare them with the private sector insurance clerk, programmer, or maybe a call centre manager. I can tell you that many of those people don't even make it to the 5 weeks holiday mark, and their pensions are not index linked, so they just go down and down. I can also tell you that there is no longer a salary differential to compensate for all the job security issues and subsidised meals and travel are nearly nonexistent (unless you work on the railways). There are no more perks - they are part of what has been swallowed up in the last decade while the piublic sector has carried on completely unaffected - except that poor beleagured private sector taxpayer has insult added to injury by forking out to protect unaffordable public sector pensions. I hear you Linesman but your impression of the private sector seems to be based on the idea that there are 35 million people in the boardroom.

loosehead wrote:
I replied to a post on here by FM2 for some reason the echo never posted it there were no threats but just letting the person who slated me and my posts exactly what my background was & yet the echo didn't print it? why can I & the people who don't agree with industrial action get called liars & numerous other names & the echo aloes them why not e-mail me & tell me why my post was rejected?

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

I know of no group in the public sector that have a 'share option' that is quite common in many private sector companies.

I know of no group in the public sector, other than the 'top dogs', that attend functions such as football, cricket and other events 'to discuss business.'

I know of no group in the public sector that have private medical insurance paid by their employers, but it is not unusual for it to happen in private business.

Subsidised travel and meals are a rareity in the public sector, but not in the private sector.

These 'perks' are not available because, when the Unions and staff associations raise them in their negotiations, they are informed that, as they are paid for 'from the public purse', they could not be justified.

When comparisons are made - like for like - with private industry, it has always been pointed out that, 'you have job security and a pensionable job' which is why you are paid less now, because you gain in the future.

Well, you can now see how secure those jobs are, and the pensions, that would have gone some way to compensate, they are now planning to cut.

Fair comment deserves a fair reply. First it's important to compare like with like. Yes CEOs and the like can be seen at WImbledon and Old Trafford but you are talking about a sector that contains 35 million people. When you are contrasting the fortunes of the humble liibrarian or teacher you need to compare them with the private sector insurance clerk, programmer, or maybe a call centre manager. I can tell you that many of those people don't even make it to the 5 weeks holiday mark, and their pensions are not index linked, so they just go down and down. I can also tell you that there is no longer a salary differential to compensate for all the job security issues and subsidised meals and travel are nearly nonexistent (unless you work on the railways). There are no more perks - they are part of what has been swallowed up in the last decade while the piublic sector has carried on completely unaffected - except that poor beleagured private sector taxpayer has insult added to injury by forking out to protect unaffordable public sector pensions. I hear you Linesman but your impression of the private sector seems to be based on the idea that there are 35 million people in the boardroom.

With regard share-options. BAT had a share-options scheme, Sainsburys, Tesco and John Lewis has a partnership scheme with its workers. I have no doubt that there are more, but that is just a sample.

Public sector? None.

With regard the perks of the private sector. If they have now been abolished, at least they had them in the first place. They were never available in the public sector, so in that respect, the public sector is, as you say, unaffected.

I agree, there is no longer any job security in the public sector, so that 'perk' which cost them equal pay with their private sector equivalent no longer holds water.

When choosing a career path, the option was there, private or public sector. Nobody moaned about the public sector when the going was good, and brick-layers were taking home as much as doctors, but when there is an economic squeeze, as is now being experienced, people want their children educated and their bins emptied, but apparently want it done by amateur volunteers.
Wickham Man, your impression of the public sector seems to be based on the idea that there are millions, working 9-5, 5 days a week, expert tea-tasters who have unlimited holidays.

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

I know of no group in the public sector that have a 'share option' that is quite common in many private sector companies.

I know of no group in the public sector, other than the 'top dogs', that attend functions such as football, cricket and other events 'to discuss business.'

I know of no group in the public sector that have private medical insurance paid by their employers, but it is not unusual for it to happen in private business.

Subsidised travel and meals are a rareity in the public sector, but not in the private sector.

These 'perks' are not available because, when the Unions and staff associations raise them in their negotiations, they are informed that, as they are paid for 'from the public purse', they could not be justified.

When comparisons are made - like for like - with private industry, it has always been pointed out that, 'you have job security and a pensionable job' which is why you are paid less now, because you gain in the future.

Well, you can now see how secure those jobs are, and the pensions, that would have gone some way to compensate, they are now planning to cut.

Fair comment deserves a fair reply. First it's important to compare like with like. Yes CEOs and the like can be seen at WImbledon and Old Trafford but you are talking about a sector that contains 35 million people. When you are contrasting the fortunes of the humble liibrarian or teacher you need to compare them with the private sector insurance clerk, programmer, or maybe a call centre manager. I can tell you that many of those people don't even make it to the 5 weeks holiday mark, and their pensions are not index linked, so they just go down and down. I can also tell you that there is no longer a salary differential to compensate for all the job security issues and subsidised meals and travel are nearly nonexistent (unless you work on the railways). There are no more perks - they are part of what has been swallowed up in the last decade while the piublic sector has carried on completely unaffected - except that poor beleagured private sector taxpayer has insult added to injury by forking out to protect unaffordable public sector pensions. I hear you Linesman but your impression of the private sector seems to be based on the idea that there are 35 million people in the boardroom.

With regard share-options. BAT had a share-options scheme, Sainsburys, Tesco and John Lewis has a partnership scheme with its workers. I have no doubt that there are more, but that is just a sample.

Public sector? None.

With regard the perks of the private sector. If they have now been abolished, at least they had them in the first place. They were never available in the public sector, so in that respect, the public sector is, as you say, unaffected.

I agree, there is no longer any job security in the public sector, so that 'perk' which cost them equal pay with their private sector equivalent no longer holds water.

When choosing a career path, the option was there, private or public sector. Nobody moaned about the public sector when the going was good, and brick-layers were taking home as much as doctors, but when there is an economic squeeze, as is now being experienced, people want their children educated and their bins emptied, but apparently want it done by amateur volunteers.
Wickham Man, your impression of the public sector seems to be based on the idea that there are millions, working 9-5, 5 days a week, expert tea-tasters who have unlimited holidays.

Not all Linesman, but some definitely. But I'll let it go. You're right - people don;t complain when times are good, but the private sector average wealth indexes have steaily declined for long enough now (over 10 years), with the public sector going the opposite way, so it's fair to draw a line under the past because the changes here are all about the future not the past. It is still a fact that public sector pensions are far better than private equivalents even after the proposed changes - and equivalence is fair. It's no good trying to bash "the bankers" - because it is the whole private sector that is forking out unfairly for this, not just the select few (funny how premiership footballers are never singled out for criticism but that's also another story). By the way the share options you refer to are almost all diluted away to nothing now - only the John Lewis Partnership remains as a unique example - but their basi pay is not that great and of course their pensions are nothing like as good as those in the town hall or the staff room.

allison.luella wrote:

My View From Here wrote:

Linesman wrote:

allison.luella wrote: BUT THE PUBLIC SECTOR ARE BEING SUBSIDISED BY THE TAX PAYER, WE ARE PAYING YOUR WAGE AND YOUR PENSIONS, WHO ARE PAYING FOR OURS? AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR ARE NOT GETTING HALF WHAT THE PAUBLIC SECTOR ARE GETTING. I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS!!! OF THE DAY, STOP WINGEING GET BACK TO WORK, AND LETS TOGETHER GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON ITS FEET AGAIN!! AND MAKE THINGS FAIR BY HAVING THE SAME PENSION REGIME AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!! AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE MESS IT IS TODAY!!! IT IS ALWAYS THE CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE MESS AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT LABOUR HAS DONE!! CONSERVATIVES ARE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ALL, LETS WORK TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO NORMAL!!! AND FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRIES PROSPERITY STOP BLOODY STRIKING AND GET BACK TO WORK!!! WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS GREECE IS IN TODAY!!! BUT WE WILL IF THE STRIKES CONTINUE!!!!!!!!!!!! !

"AFTER ALL ITS THE LABOUR PARTY THAT HAS GOT THIS COUNTRY IN THE IT IS TODAY." How do you work that out Allison? Since when were the Labour Party in charge of the American (repeat) American Banks that failed, and started a domino-effect on banks virtually world-wide? It was because of this 'Domino-effect' that the Labour Government had to bail out banks here so that thousands of people did not lose their savings and others have their houses repossessed. It was also this 'Domino-effect' that caused the Icelandic banks to fail. The Icelandic banks that had offered excellent interest rates to Local, Town, City and County Councils. The same Local, Town, City and County Councils that had to be saved from bankruptcy by the Labour Government. In your wisdom, perhaps you would remind us what alternative policy that the Tory opposition and the LibDems proposed at the tim? You can't remember? Understandable! They had no alternative plan to offer, but now that they are in power, they blame the Labour Government that saved the UK from being in the same state that Greece is now, and what a fine job the ConDems are doing now.

100% Linesman. Labour rescue package of the British Banking system, was the only way forward at that time, it had cross support from the Tories and the Liberals, they had no alternative The cuts being inflicted on the country has nothing whatsoever to with Labour Government, its the speed the ConDem idiots are wanting to pay the debt back that's crippling us. This Tory led folly will end in disaster, just like Greece now.

Quite simply because it was Labour who over spent, encouraged people to take out mortgages they couldnt afford etc etc!!

it just happened that also banks ran out of cash!!

and now who suffers us who are trying to save our money which is now worthless!!

thats why!! quite simple!!!

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:
I replied to a post on here by FM2 for some reason the echo never posted it there were no threats but just letting the person who slated me and my posts exactly what my background was & yet the echo didn't print it? why can I & the people who don't agree with industrial action get called liars & numerous other names & the echo aloes them why not e-mail me & tell me why my post was rejected?

The Echo probably thought it was BS as well

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Linesman wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:
All the people on here saying "How would you like it if someone told you had to work longer...or to have your pension reduced.....or to have this teabreak taken away this or that duvet day.....etc " The point is those in the private sector already have. All those years when the public sector continued to get a pay rise year in year out were the same years private sector workers rights and employment contracts were rewritten downwards sometimes more than once. So now why should a private sector person who has seen their own pension value drop to way below even the proposed public sector pension levels be expected to cough up out of their pocket to give the public sector worker a better standard than they have got themselves? In what way is it "socialist" to give yourself a better retirement paid for by other workers who are worse off?

I know of no group in the public sector that have a 'share option' that is quite common in many private sector companies.

I know of no group in the public sector, other than the 'top dogs', that attend functions such as football, cricket and other events 'to discuss business.'

I know of no group in the public sector that have private medical insurance paid by their employers, but it is not unusual for it to happen in private business.

Subsidised travel and meals are a rareity in the public sector, but not in the private sector.

These 'perks' are not available because, when the Unions and staff associations raise them in their negotiations, they are informed that, as they are paid for 'from the public purse', they could not be justified.

When comparisons are made - like for like - with private industry, it has always been pointed out that, 'you have job security and a pensionable job' which is why you are paid less now, because you gain in the future.

Well, you can now see how secure those jobs are, and the pensions, that would have gone some way to compensate, they are now planning to cut.

Fair comment deserves a fair reply. First it's important to compare like with like. Yes CEOs and the like can be seen at WImbledon and Old Trafford but you are talking about a sector that contains 35 million people. When you are contrasting the fortunes of the humble liibrarian or teacher you need to compare them with the private sector insurance clerk, programmer, or maybe a call centre manager. I can tell you that many of those people don't even make it to the 5 weeks holiday mark, and their pensions are not index linked, so they just go down and down. I can also tell you that there is no longer a salary differential to compensate for all the job security issues and subsidised meals and travel are nearly nonexistent (unless you work on the railways). There are no more perks - they are part of what has been swallowed up in the last decade while the piublic sector has carried on completely unaffected - except that poor beleagured private sector taxpayer has insult added to injury by forking out to protect unaffordable public sector pensions. I hear you Linesman but your impression of the private sector seems to be based on the idea that there are 35 million people in the boardroom.

With regard share-options. BAT had a share-options scheme, Sainsburys, Tesco and John Lewis has a partnership scheme with its workers. I have no doubt that there are more, but that is just a sample.

Public sector? None.

With regard the perks of the private sector. If they have now been abolished, at least they had them in the first place. They were never available in the public sector, so in that respect, the public sector is, as you say, unaffected.

I agree, there is no longer any job security in the public sector, so that 'perk' which cost them equal pay with their private sector equivalent no longer holds water.

When choosing a career path, the option was there, private or public sector. Nobody moaned about the public sector when the going was good, and brick-layers were taking home as much as doctors, but when there is an economic squeeze, as is now being experienced, people want their children educated and their bins emptied, but apparently want it done by amateur volunteers.
Wickham Man, your impression of the public sector seems to be based on the idea that there are millions, working 9-5, 5 days a week, expert tea-tasters who have unlimited holidays.

Not all Linesman, but some definitely. But I'll let it go. You're right - people don;t complain when times are good, but the private sector average wealth indexes have steaily declined for long enough now (over 10 years), with the public sector going the opposite way, so it's fair to draw a line under the past because the changes here are all about the future not the past. It is still a fact that public sector pensions are far better than private equivalents even after the proposed changes - and equivalence is fair. It's no good trying to bash "the bankers" - because it is the whole private sector that is forking out unfairly for this, not just the select few (funny how premiership footballers are never singled out for criticism but that's also another story). By the way the share options you refer to are almost all diluted away to nothing now - only the John Lewis Partnership remains as a unique example - but their basi pay is not that great and of course their pensions are nothing like as good as those in the town hall or the staff room.

You speak in jest! Premiership footballers are never singled out for criticism! What papers do you read?

The ones that are never singled out are the aged singers, like Tom Jones, Cliff Richard, Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger etc etc etc Raking in money, hand over fist, when they are well past their sell-by date.

A footballer's 'shelf-life' is brief, and his career can be ended prematurely bby a mis-timed tackle - this can happen before they have graduated to first-team standard. Football may be their only talent, and not all of them can become managers or coaches, because there are far more ex-players than there are vacancies.

Whether or not the share options are now 'almost diluted' as you claim, they are still something that is not available to the public sector. (Perhaps that is a bonus. Would you want shares in Southampton City Council?) I have a friend who worked for Sainsburys, and they took up the share option, and they get a nice few quid back twice a year, and it is more than they would get if the money had been put in a building society, so they are happy.

I appreciate that pay and pensions in the private sector can vary considerably. I had a relative who worked for Esso at Fawley, and his pension was sufficient for him to live quite comfortably, run a car and take two or three holidays a year. A friend worked for BAT at Millbrook, and he had no complaints about pay, conditions or the share-options and pension scheme.

As said, I know that pay and pension schemes in the private sector can vary, but that is also the case in the public sector, and now that they are facing having to work longer, and contribute more, to receive a smaller pension, I can quite understand them making their objections known, especially as this has been imposed on them, rather than there being negotiations to reach an agreement.

I cannot help but wonder whether the City Council have instigated the local strike so that, at some time in the near future, they can blame the Unions for their own short-comings.