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Former Tory hits out over MP's job views
11:10am Sunday 12th February 2012 in News By Simon Moss
Former Tory hits out over MP's job views
COMMENTS about jobseekers by Basingstoke MP Maria Miller have riled an unemployed former deputy borough mayor.
Phil Heath, who was the deputy mayor of Basingstoke and Deane between 2009 and 2011, has spent more than six months trying to find work.
He said he is disgusted with remarks made by Mrs Miller, a Minister in the Department for Work and Pensions, on BBC Radio 5 Live last Sunday evening, where she said there are 400,000 jobs at any one point in job centres.
She told the Pienaar’s Politics programme: “I was up in the Wirral on Friday, talking to one of our local job centres there, and there isn’t a shortage of jobs. What there can be is a lack of an appetite for some of the jobs that are available.”
The remarks disgusted Mr Heath (pictured), formerly a long-standing Tory councillor, who worked as a consultant in the building industry before being laid off nearly eight months ago. He said Mrs Miller is “out of touch”.
“I am absolutely appalled,” he told The Gazette. “If you go to the job centre in Basingstoke and put in a search, you get four local jobs, and then others in places like Glasgow.
“She says there is a lack of skills. I have applied for 40 jobs including working in an office, driving a van and plenty of others that I am well qualified for. There is not a lack of skills – it just boils down to the fact that there are 40 to 50 people applying for each job.”
Mr Heath was expelled from the Conservative party in 2008. He then served as a member of the Basingstoke First Community Party.
Mrs Miller told The Gazette she felt her comments had been taken in isolation rather than within the context of the radio show’s discussion, which was looking at how to get people on disability benefits, who can work, back into jobs.
“The important thing is that it is not just about the number of jobs that are available. It is about making sure people who are about to take that jump into employment know they cannot be better off by being out of work.”
Comments(70)
BugBear
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2:58pm Sun 12 Feb 12
jondave wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm not what could be classed a scrounger. Having worked hard all my life in managerial positions, I unfortunately found myself out of work and having to sign on at the Job Centre every two weeks, if only to get my NI stamp paid. The facts are there are jobs on offer in the Job Centre but they are mostly for the bare minimum wage, that's the good ones, the bulk of the others offer no guarantee at all. I'm as guilty as anyone, just as you are in your post of thinking things are not as bad as they appear. I always said, when I was working, if I ever found myself out of work, I would do anything rather than sit at home doing nothing. Then reality came along and things are not as easy as you would expect and the fact is hundreds of people are chasing the same poorly paid one job, so really you stand very little chance of being successful. As for Marie Miller, I think she is quite possibly the worse MP Basingstoke has ever had and I say that as someone who until quite recently voted Conservative all their life. She cannot be trusted to keep to her principles, in fact I don't believe she has any instead her eye is more on promotion of her chosen political career that serving us or in fact in her present position, the country. The sooner she is gone the better for all of us.
Hmmm. I have just gone to the Direct.gov website which the Job Centre uses and searched for all jobs in a 15 mile radius of Basingstoke. (15 miles is the default search and a not unreasonable distance) 250 results. I suggest Mr Heath is talking from a oriface other than that on his face...
P Heath
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3:44pm Sun 12 Feb 12
Unfortunately when you look deeper the area covered includes not just Basingstoke, Reading, Newbury, Southampton oh and Glasgow, Manchester I could go on.
400,000 across the uk unemployment 8% of population maths are not Marias strong point.
I love those who comment and hide behind a made up name when I speak from any oriface at least people know who I am.
P Heath
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3:53pm Sun 12 Feb 12
Large percentage of 400,000 will have already been filled when you speak to the job centre it is rare to be offered more than 2 or 3 jobs that are current and available.
jondave
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6:08pm Sun 12 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:Who has got a made up name Mr Heath? My user name reflects my real name thanks. So what are you doing to make yourself employable? Training? Education? I am very surprised you cannot get another job in building industry as that industry as clearly active. Self employment an option? I know a lot of people made redundant who have set up in business. Seems to be a side to this story that is missing!
250 jobs for 10 times the number in Basingstoke looking for work.
Unfortunately when you look deeper the area covered includes not just Basingstoke, Reading, Newbury, Southampton oh and Glasgow, Manchester I could go on.
400,000 across the uk unemployment 8% of population maths are not Marias strong point.
I love those who comment and hide behind a made up name when I speak from any oriface at least people know who I am.
keith O'Reilly
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6:45pm Sun 12 Feb 12
keith O'Reilly
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6:50pm Sun 12 Feb 12
P Heath
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8:09pm Sun 12 Feb 12
Insults from both of you must have pricked your ill informed views
I am pursuing self employment your assumptions are outstanding I apply for jobs available. No answer to the maths 400,00 jobs many out of date for millions out of worknational 250 jobs in basingstoke most out of date for at least 10 times the number chasing them many like chefs, surveyors engineers highly skilled with a minimum of 2 years training no good for jobs now.
Do you agree with Mrs Miller if you do appy to meet you and introduce you to the unemployed I meet not those who have no skills or workshy but young people with good GCSE, ALevel or Degree passes and people like me in their 50's to "assume" makes an **** out of you and me Icheck facts so that leaves you Mr Dave and Keith .
P Heath
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8:10pm Sun 12 Feb 12
Insults from both of you must have pricked your ill informed views
I am pursuing self employment your assumptions are outstanding I apply for jobs available. No answer to the maths 400,000 jobs many out of date for millions out of work nationally 250 jobs in basingstoke most out of date for at least 10 times that number chasing them many like chefs, surveyors engineers highly skilled with a minimum of 2 years training no good for jobs now.
Do you agree with Mrs Miller if you do appy to meet you and introduce you to the unemployed I meet not those who have no skills or workshy but young people with good GCSE, ALevel or Degree passes and people like me in their 50's to "assume" makes an **** out of you and me Icheck facts so that leaves you Mr Dave and Keith .
stevemac1970
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10:22pm Sun 12 Feb 12
As for lack of skills in disabled people, let's not forget that Maria refused to back a long term disabled supporter of the time to get trained to do a job in politics, I should know, I was the disabled person concerned and with that in mind she really is talking out of an orrifice other than the one on her face.
Back her if you will but this government is scrapping far more jobs than it creates.
keith O'Reilly
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7:09am Mon 13 Feb 12
1. Not every job gets advertised at the Jobcentre. There is no law that says an employer has to use them. Basing the availability of employment on dividing the registered unemployed (don't get me started on the 'hidden' unemployed) by the number of jobs advertised at a Jobcentre doesn’t make good sense but good headlines.
2. Unless you are seeking employment as a self opinionated Colonel Blimp type character, why on earth go to a newspaper? What good would it do? Certainly a publicity seeking has-been or never-was would find this useful but a serious jobseeker should be using their talents to apply for job, not go bleating to the press.
3. If you are pursuing self employment I'm sure the Jobcentre can help you with that as well.
4. Mr. P. Health, I sincerely hope you find employment. It will be good for your wallet, good for your head and hopefully will give you something constructive to do with your time.
jondave
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8:22am Mon 13 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:Ummm, I take it you do not believe people should have middle names then? I would love to try and answer your post, but the standard of English in it is so staggeringly appalling, I am struggling to actually comprehend large parts of your post!! So what if there are 400,000 jobs on the Job Centre - that is not the only source of jobs available. Frankly your posts merely back up the smug grin in your photo on the story. Now, stop posting useless rubbish on an internet noticeboard and spend your time finding a job.
So jondave reflects your name! Mr Jon Dave probably not. Insults from both of you must have pricked your ill informed views I am pursuing self employment your assumptions are outstanding I apply for jobs available. No answer to the maths 400,000 jobs many out of date for millions out of work nationally 250 jobs in basingstoke most out of date for at least 10 times that number chasing them many like chefs, surveyors engineers highly skilled with a minimum of 2 years training no good for jobs now. Do you agree with Mrs Miller if you do appy to meet you and introduce you to the unemployed I meet not those who have no skills or workshy but young people with good GCSE, ALevel or Degree passes and people like me in their 50's to "assume" makes an **** out of you and me Icheck facts so that leaves you Mr Dave and Keith .
P Heath
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12:20pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Why go to the press she is the minister charged with helping the disabled and unemployed if she does not believe there are reasons for being unemployed what chance she will try and tackle it?
Sorry but the residents that voted for her deserve to know who she really is and what she says , I was her campaign manager for 2 years god forgive me at that time her views were 180 degrees from today.
P Heath
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12:20pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Why go to the press she is the minister charged with helping the disabled and unemployed if she does not believe there are reasons for being unemployed what chance she will try and tackle it?
Sorry but the residents that voted for her deserve to know who she really is and what she says , I was her campaign manager for 2 years god forgive me at that time her views were 180 degrees from today.
jondave
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1:03pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Mighty Antar
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1:47pm Mon 13 Feb 12
keith O'Reilly wrote:It's Maria Miller and this government that doesn't get it. The Tory economic plan isn't working. In the Euro area (where the right wing media have focussed so much attention) growth is increasing. In the UK it's shrinking. Maria Miller, safely employed and non-disabled has no concept of what it's like to be disabled and unemployed in a country where the government and the press continually frames you as a lazy, work-shy drain on resources. Instead of showing her ineptitude at maths, and pointing out the bleeding obvious (most people would rather be in work earning a decent living than out of it struggling on a pittance) she should look at why her government's economic plans are failing and thereby decreasing the number of opportunities available to both able and disabled people.
You just don't get it, do you?
1. Not every job gets advertised at the Jobcentre. There is no law that says an employer has to use them. Basing the availability of employment on dividing the registered unemployed (don't get me started on the 'hidden' unemployed) by the number of jobs advertised at a Jobcentre doesn’t make good sense but good headlines.
2. Unless you are seeking employment as a self opinionated Colonel Blimp type character, why on earth go to a newspaper? What good would it do? Certainly a publicity seeking has-been or never-was would find this useful but a serious jobseeker should be using their talents to apply for job, not go bleating to the press.
3. If you are pursuing self employment I'm sure the Jobcentre can help you with that as well.
4. Mr. P. Health, I sincerely hope you find employment. It will be good for your wallet, good for your head and hopefully will give you something constructive to do with your time.
stevemac1970
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2:23pm Mon 13 Feb 12
keith O'Reilly wrote:Well Mr O'Reilly perhaps you can explain why the minister concerned complains that disabled people are lacking in skills yet when given the chance says "no" to helping disabled get the skills.
You just don't get it, do you? 1. Not every job gets advertised at the Jobcentre. There is no law that says an employer has to use them. Basing the availability of employment on dividing the registered unemployed (don't get me started on the 'hidden' unemployed) by the number of jobs advertised at a Jobcentre doesn’t make good sense but good headlines. 2. Unless you are seeking employment as a self opinionated Colonel Blimp type character, why on earth go to a newspaper? What good would it do? Certainly a publicity seeking has-been or never-was would find this useful but a serious jobseeker should be using their talents to apply for job, not go bleating to the press. 3. If you are pursuing self employment I'm sure the Jobcentre can help you with that as well. 4. Mr. P. Health, I sincerely hope you find employment. It will be good for your wallet, good for your head and hopefully will give you something constructive to do with your time.
When I see Maria on national tv trumping on about the Olympic flame going through Basingstoke rather than how jobs are needed, me thinks the priorities are wrong and if anyone says we have enough jobs then I hope that person doesn't become another victim of this governments cuts.
As for the jobs not advertised, where are they, how do we know what of the thousands of companies in the town to apply to if they don't say the job is there. They don't advertise because they recruit from within. I done a test by contacting a company where I knew there was a vacancy and was told they are not recruiting and I know of many more companies doing the same. Everyone is cost cutting and companies are not recruiting to the levels that others are shrinking... That is a fact of government cuts I'm sorry to say, and no amount of disgusting personal attacks will change that.
P Heath
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11:32am Tue 14 Feb 12
So it cost me a lot malicous attacks, bankruptcy loss of home and health..
I still keep my honesty and integrity I still fight for the disadvantaged and against politicians that do not serve the people.
And I feel good about me.
robertspet8
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11:58am Tue 14 Feb 12
Given this statistic it is all the more important to be first in the queue and to have a relevant CV.
The best way to be first to hear about a job is to network - this is the way many vacancies are filled. Everybody is a winner: the company does not have to pay for advertising or agencies and they get candidates who come recommended by somebody they know and trust; the candidate gets a detailed insight into the business and vacancy and can tailor their CV to suit and often they do not even have to submit a formal application.
The best way to produce a relevant CV is to know more about the job than anyone else (see above). However if applying for an advertised position do the homework - the advert will tell you very little but make sure your CV relates to what it does tell you and anything else you learn from your own researches. remove everything which is irrelevant. Yes, this does mean you have to produce a new CV for nearly every job you apply for.
Sorry if this is trying to teach my Gran...but part of my responsibilities include recruitment of staff upto management level and I am still surprised at how many people have not even bothered to use the spellchecker or checked that they have the correct company name and address.
robertspet8
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12:01pm Tue 14 Feb 12
The _right_stuff
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12:58pm Tue 14 Feb 12
stevemac1970
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1:17pm Tue 14 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:So true.
Those who hide behind a false identity and throw insults are sad people if you believe in what you say stand up proudly and be brave. So it cost me a lot malicous attacks, bankruptcy loss of home and health.. I still keep my honesty and integrity I still fight for the disadvantaged and against politicians that do not serve the people. And I feel good about me.
I would go do far as to say, I have just 2 complaints about P.Heath 1. He should still be a borough cllr. And 2. People still ring me to ask if he can get involved in their issues because they don't trust the Tories running the council.
Best_Name_Ever
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1:50pm Tue 14 Feb 12
stevemac1970 wrote:This seems to be self publicity for a bitter ex councillor, rather than a daring exclusive. Sad really.
P Heath wrote: Those who hide behind a false identity and throw insults are sad people if you believe in what you say stand up proudly and be brave. So it cost me a lot malicous attacks, bankruptcy loss of home and health.. I still keep my honesty and integrity I still fight for the disadvantaged and against politicians that do not serve the people. And I feel good about me.So true. I would go do far as to say, I have just 2 complaints about P.Heath 1. He should still be a borough cllr. And 2. People still ring me to ask if he can get involved in their issues because they don't trust the Tories running the council.
Best_Name_Ever
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1:50pm Tue 14 Feb 12
stevemac1970 wrote:This seems to be self publicity for a bitter ex councillor, rather than a daring exclusive. Sad really.
P Heath wrote: Those who hide behind a false identity and throw insults are sad people if you believe in what you say stand up proudly and be brave. So it cost me a lot malicous attacks, bankruptcy loss of home and health.. I still keep my honesty and integrity I still fight for the disadvantaged and against politicians that do not serve the people. And I feel good about me.So true. I would go do far as to say, I have just 2 complaints about P.Heath 1. He should still be a borough cllr. And 2. People still ring me to ask if he can get involved in their issues because they don't trust the Tories running the council.
P Heath
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2:02pm Tue 14 Feb 12
robertspet8
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4:44pm Tue 14 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:It is pointless even responding to insults Phil. These people only use insults because they are either incapable or unwilling to address the issues.
Again insults from an unknown seen and heard much better do I care only about people not words.
MediaVoice
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4:48pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Please feel free to answer when you've finished insulting people who are not stupid enough to use their names online. Insulting people and being disrespectful to people who don't do things 'the Phil Heath' way seems to be the root cause of your trouble.
As for all you tragic personal circumstances; welcome to the real world, I don't see you slumming it - let me know when your in a homeless hostel with your house on the market and I'll have a cry for you.
P Heath
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5:05pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Helping people through the council maze is actually a good phrase
None in Basingstoke
House is on the market repossessed by the building society in rented accomodation on housing benefit which pays only £567 of £750 of rent for 1 bed bungalow living off £105 per week for two of us leaves £210 for all bills and food
Maria should be pleased as she and tories helped me get here and I am not better off out of work .
Forget the stories of £26,000 benefit most in basingstoke with no work are the same as me
Everything was open and remains open like my name.
The only reason you think it stupid to give your name is because you are a afraid throwing accusations and insults from behind the wall.
I can help you to get treatment step one be open and honest
MediaVoice
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7:01pm Tue 14 Feb 12
It's funny you mention treatment - I seem to recall it was *YOU* that was packed off for therapy & anger management following your disgraceful behaviour and retrospective punishment.
Much that you bore me and I find you and your small fan club tedious, let me deal with your complaints.
You dismiss what I have said - which you agree to be true save for some fine detail - as 'throwing accusations and insults'. Excuse me?
In the case of the former 'throwing accusations' - You've all but agreed that what I have said is correct. if you feel I have wronged you, or written anything that is profoundly untrue about you in my post please point it out. You basically grease the wheels for people through the council maze and have said as much.
As for insults - that is your area of expertise and try that I may, I will never exceed your remarkable skill in that area. I'm sorry you find people standing up to you insulting, but that is the only way to deal with bullies.
The reason you are largely in the mess you are in is because of the way you conduct yourself. Perhaps if you had been a little you more candid and anonymous, rather than acting the town fool, you would still enjoy the lifestyle you once had?
Over the years I've read much your hot air which has always, basically, amounted to you blaming everyone else for your gaffs, and failing to be man enough to admit that you - and you alone - are responsible for where you find yourself in life.
Now you can go on abusing this comments section for the rest of your life, pointing fingers at everyone else, stamping your feet, but it won't change a single thing. You need to pick yourself up, try saying 'sorry' and get some proper help for your delusions and narcissism.
Yes Phil Heath has a certain 'unique' style. He calls a spade a spade, says what he thinks. That, unfortunately is equal to 'rude' to most civilised people. It is a lesson you need to learn quickly because as it stands I'd not employ you in any role dealing with the public for fear of you destroying the reputation of my business.
Basically Mr Heath you have arrived at a place where you have had to give up working and live on your wits, hence you only have half a living.
Perhaps you should spend some more time trying to solve your mess, rather than dicking around on the internet all day having a go at anyone else that says 'Ha ha, you've got what you deserve.'.
For the record 'Phil' #mate#, you are not a "consultant", you are an out of work 50+ of limited employability. The measure of the man you really are now will come in the shape of what you do next in your life. If I see you reading meters or stacking shelves in a DIY store I think I may, finally, grow a limited amount of respect for you.
P Heath
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7:23pm Tue 14 Feb 12
bonniecat
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9:41pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Always worked, since aged 16 (then part-time while also doing A Levels) apart from the odd short spell following redundancy (3 or 4 times now).
Got made redundant late 2009 from a 20+ years career in IT, latterly at team lead level...immediately (before being told to by JCP) went round all the shops that were advertising for Christmas...after all Duncan-Smith was banging on about people should apply for any job...did it work...big fat NOPE, and there are some 100 or so shops in Festival Place...also tried for paper-pushing admin jobs, jobs in the charity sector, etc., etc.
Also another thing the JCP is big on advising people to do...volunteer...whe
n I eventually signed on as my 3-month notice period was up...got told do that...beat them to it on that, because, then as now I volunteer for 4-5 different charities....and I do a targeted job search every other day in my former field of work, as well as other things outside of that, am self-employed running 2 businesses...but as a standalone case am not bringing home the bacon...at least my husband is.
For a time we were both out of work, unfortunately had run out of contribution based JSA...so were given the generous amount of £102.75 per week 'the maximum the law allows'...that doesn't even pay our mortgage (which thanks to a screw up by the lender was not covered by PPI), never mind everything else!!! £26,000 my ****
bonniecat
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9:47pm Tue 14 Feb 12
JCP staff really should be careful about the notices they leave pinned up at their desks....especially ones with all the rates of benefits listed, especially where people are likely to read them, given that they really don't like giving at any information at all about what you are entitled to
bonniecat
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9:48pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Best_Name_Ever
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7:59am Wed 15 Feb 12
MediaVoice
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8:44am Wed 15 Feb 12
I'm sorry you miss all that lovely council lolly you used to make, but if you can't keep your trap shut........
P Heath
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2:36pm Wed 15 Feb 12
Telling the truth about this administration cost me alot some one like you can not understand why.
Which is only human self preservation.
For me I could not live with my my self rather be on the streets and fighting than hide away.
Still willing to chat over coffee
MediaVoice
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6:16pm Wed 15 Feb 12
I'm glad your happy with that, but I doubt you truly are or you'd not be here moaning on with your hard luck story.
As for coffee, no thanks. I'm really fussy who I mix with and I really find people like you quite vile - but if I see you, I'll grab a copy of 'The Big Issue' off you. That would *really* make my day.
The _right_stuff
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8:44pm Wed 15 Feb 12
Go for the coffee. It would make a great story, perhaps you would get both sides of the story then, rather than whats been written in the paper.
You never know.
P Heath
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10:47am Thu 16 Feb 12
GC31
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1:33pm Thu 16 Feb 12
P Heath
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2:00pm Thu 16 Feb 12
jondave
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3:06pm Thu 16 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:Funny how you only criticise "false names" when that individual is negative towards you! Seriously though, your written English is so substandard, perhaps there ARE real reasons why you are not finding work!
No idea he/she hides behind a false name but he/she needs help to get over this pain
MediaVoice
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3:37pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Jobseekers allowance/councillor
s allowance all kinda sounds the same. As long as he doesn't have to work for it I'm sure it will be business as usual in the Heath household.
P Heath
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4:18pm Thu 16 Feb 12
jondave
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8:07am Fri 17 Feb 12
P Heath wrote:Well, my name isn't false. For some reason, your mental challenges seem to have issues with that. Then again, you seem to have issues full stop! If your abysmal English hasn't killed your hopes of employment, blubbing to the newpapers and then writing comments that clearly identify you by using your real name CERTAINLY has. It would be funny if it didn't mean you are going to be a burden on my taxes until you die! For what it is worth, my maths skills are not my strength - luckily I have made career choices that have ensured this isn't a constraint.
I criticise all false names please do not feel persecuted your observations are valid maths is my strong point perhaps you can help my english and I can help oth your mental anguish see we are almost friends is that not nice in these difficult times, Nero any good for you? both?
MediaVoice
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1:00pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Like I said in my post. I'm Jon Harris, 52, A senior systems analyst from Hatch Warren.
It makes no difference to what I think of you, what I'd say about you - here, or to your face - and it makes no difference to ANYTHING that's I've said!!!
So now we've got that out of the way, would you like to continue this here, or walk away before you completely and utter kill any shred of a reputation you had left?
Jonty11
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1:29pm Fri 17 Feb 12
I do feel sorry for people in your situation - having your house repossessed and not being able to find a job must be hell and must take a toll emotionally, physically as well as financially.
I have no knowledge as to why you were made redundant - some times these things just do happen.
But in terms of some of the other areas which are on the record (the ejection from the Tory party for instance) I do suspect that you still consider that these things were 'done to you' without any acceptance that you made choices along the way which impacted on this.
I do heartily wish you good luck in your job search but would suggest that you're unlikely to get a job locally because
a) You have a reputation
b) You continue to use the media to make negative comments.
If I were looking for a new candidate, would I choose someone who regularly used their local press to complain? Not likely as I might be the next target!
Recruiters regularly google people now and check facebook as well - I'd suggest that this article is probably counterproductive!
MediaVoice
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2:41pm Fri 17 Feb 12
He could possibly gain some badly needed, face saving respect by taking on a menial job like shop work - then he can really get a handle on 'serving the public'.
I wonder if he has made an application for any one of our local McDonald restaurants? It's an online process and probably more constructive than moaning about people in local newspaper comment sections.
But I suspect he will just remain a burden to tax payers claiming there are 'no jobs' before finding some fashionable illness to blame for not working. Time will tell........
stevemac1970
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3:43pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Best_Name_Ever wrote:Oh you poor thing. If that's really what you think then it shows your lack of understanding of the real world of Basingstoke conservatives. Phil is rightly upset, and if you are a conservative you will know what really went on as do the rest of us. Just remember that it was 2 senior Basingstoke Tories who called a former senior officer in the British armed forces, someone who took a bullet while fighting for his country, a traitor.... If they can say things like that and get away with, they will believe they can say what they want. Anyone prepared to defend people who say things like that needs to consider their position very carefully. Behaviour like these people have displayed in recent years is inexcusable and I believe they should be blocked from holding any form of political office. Perhaps with people that understand real life in politics, Basingstoke, and indeed the country, would be a better place to live.
stevemac1970 wrote:This seems to be self publicity for a bitter ex councillor, rather than a daring exclusive. Sad really.P Heath wrote: Those who hide behind a false identity and throw insults are sad people if you believe in what you say stand up proudly and be brave. So it cost me a lot malicous attacks, bankruptcy loss of home and health.. I still keep my honesty and integrity I still fight for the disadvantaged and against politicians that do not serve the people. And I feel good about me.So true. I would go do far as to say, I have just 2 complaints about P.Heath 1. He should still be a borough cllr. And 2. People still ring me to ask if he can get involved in their issues because they don't trust the Tories running the council.
THX 1138
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4:10pm Fri 17 Feb 12
P Heath
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6:55pm Fri 17 Feb 12
The reason I had a phone message from the agent calling my wife a ****.
I called him a little S@@t he recorded this and I did not really serious stuff I am sure you agree.
Now we can meet locally Sainsburys seems good and I can give you all the info you need.
I have applied for all the super markets, DIY stores and funny you mention it McDonalds at 56 retraining is not something I need as I have lots of skills.
Had interviews recognised and told I had so many skills I would be bored, likely to want to leave as soon as a good job came up andrecieed great feedback about the work I have done in the community.
not applied for street cleaning not sure council want me !!
MediaVoice
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7:14pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Let us, as concerned citizens, help you with your job search. It would make a great local news story, don't you agree? Much better than a negative 'there are no jobs' spout? Yes?
Let's start here: Job No: BSK/46662
Did you apply for this position at B&Q just a few days old? How did you get on? Please let us know as you've 'applied at all the DIY stores'.
What about Bunzl by B&Q. They are after drivers and I'm assured they would give you a trial. Only caveat is you need to complete each days work.
Or why not try your hand as an 'Enforcement Officer' (I can almost hear you doing a Cartman of South Park yell of 'Respect my authority')?
Sure, it's up the road in Reading: REA/128698 but I'm sure you can get there OK. You managed it when your were 'hanging around' Martin Salter during the last election.
What you may 'fancy' doing to stop you getting 'board' is a luxury most out of work people cannot afford - so clearly I question the gravity of your situation.
I suspect that you are not being entirely truthful, are just 'downsizing' and are really just playing at being poor. I'm of the opinion that in due course the people of Basingstoke will get a clear view of you and realise just how right the decision was to kick you out. In my own personal opinion I question not only your integrity, but also your honesty.
Let me know if you need any more jobs to apply for. You help me with my 'anger', I'll help you with you unemployment. I promise to try and get you something, even if it's an apprenticeship type opportunity - and we will do it all out in the open, blogging the steps you have taken, so we can really see you put up or shut up!
The _right_stuff
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8:08pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Gazette staff. How about a 'job for Phil' article.
You could track Phils progress, see how easy / hard it is for people to get a job in the town, especially the older community (sorry Phil).
It could highlight a ton of issues and help others to get jobs.
P Heath
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9:00pm Fri 17 Feb 12
You are even coming to the point of realising helping people is good coffee at sainsburys or tea/
P Heath
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9:05pm Fri 17 Feb 12
You are even coming to the point of realising helping people is good coffee at sainsburys or tea?
52 I am 56 Tuesday we will have so much to talk about ,really awfull 70's clothes, platform shoes Tiger Feet it's going to be a real blast.
cllr Andrew McCormick
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12:01am Sat 18 Feb 12
I've been made redundant twice before. Each time I've plastered my CV on job sites and high-tech agencies and have been lucky enough to find another job within 2 months. Last time I was prepared to work as far away as California but luckily landed a job in Blighty.
If you Google Andrew McCormick you'll see loads of highly successful people on there including 25 on LinkedIn. I thank my lucky stars we McCormicks are so hardworking and successful.
Phil. if there's a job going in Glasgow, take it! There's lots of McCormicks up there, it's almost as common as Smith in the phone book, chances are it might be one that's hiring.
We McCormicks are workaholics, as evidenced by Google and the fact I've managed to juggle a council job and a proper job for the best part of 10 years, and still manage to find time to waste on web forums such as this after closing time on a Friday night.
Take heart Phil, you managed to hold down two jobs once and are capable of doing it again.
Seeing as you're hard up for cash I won't tap you for marathon sponsorship this year but recommend you start training, it will give you focus and it doesn't cost anything. Besides which it will improve your health, fitness, build confidence, and means you'll spend less time engaging with internet trolls, an activity which is proven to be demotivational, deleterious to health and cognitive ability.
And as for that Maria Miller, completely out of touch, deserves a spell on the dole herself, the sooner this government is out of office, the better.
bubble_pie
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9:09pm Sat 18 Feb 12
I have known graduates having to omit information from their CV to avoid the assumption made by employers that you will leave when something more in line with your experience turns up.
MediaVoice
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1:15pm Sun 19 Feb 12
Weighed, measured and found wanting, but no surprises there. Oh, and it looks like he's a liar too.
P Heath
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7:56pm Sun 19 Feb 12
You state things get answers and call me a liar Jon you offer apprenticships for some one at 56 why not try for surgeon or ballet dancer you are really getting your pain out keep going Sainsbury's for coffee bring a friend if you are scared I really want to help you before someone arrests you for something you regret.
MediaVoice
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8:14am Mon 20 Feb 12
I put it to you that you are a liar. I do not believe you when you say that you have applied for work with McDonalds or B&Q. By all means prove me wrong with some solid evidence - rather than your worthless word.
Threatening people with 'arrest' for expressing their views about you - all of which have a solid foundation in fact, is probably one of the lamest things you've ever done - but you feel free to do whatever turns you on.
I'm touched that you want to help me, but I suggest you go back to a therapist and seek help yourself. I feel that you are in denial about the extent and depth of your problems.
The town knows you were tossed aside for your abusive ways and manner in which you conduct yourself, and any sane individual would have learned from that experience. However, even to this day, you abuse people openly in public - perhaps as a joke - but abuse them none the less.
For example: How about referring to the children of a HCC employee as 'losers' ?
http://bit.ly/ynKde6
I'm sure you meant it in jest, but it is - plain and simple - abuse and clearly you even extend it to the children of your friends. I hope you find yourself funny Mr Heath. Indeed, one of us needs help - and I'll give you a clue. It's probably not me.
Let us all know how you get on with McDonalds and B&Q Phil. There's a good chap.
P Heath
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9:59am Mon 20 Feb 12
I would not get you arrsted but like the guys recently tracked down for I think its called "Trolling" some of your posts will get you in trouble.
Will ask Tracy what she thinks of one of her friends or colleagues using her posts.
You have problems keeping friends?
How about meeting at Tracy's!
MediaVoice
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10:31am Mon 20 Feb 12
As anyone can clearly see you are voluntarily engaged in a discussion with me regarding the piece in the Gazette, your previous conduct and your attempts to find work. If this were not a consequential conversation you'd not be following me up or asking me to take it out of the public domain and into a coffee shop.
You really are grasping at straws. What a sad, pathetic and desperate male you are.
Like I say regarding your 'job hunting'. I put it to you that you are, in my opinion, a liar. I put it to you that you are not man enough to do a proper days work and instead want a life of handouts - because you have, basically, lived a life topped up with public money and you are not about to change any of your vile ways.
iamapayne
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5:04pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Jon i think you are bad man to say he is a liar and to be rude to him
stevemac1970 why you interested you live in scotland
robertspet8 why you interested you live in twickenham
sorry for my english i live here 10 years my helper has just gone home
P Heath
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10:35pm Mon 20 Feb 12
I hope nothing I have said is rude I honestly want to help Media Jon or who ever he makes statements that areuntrue he call me a liar I offer proof he does not want it he just wants a reaction and to upset anyone with complete immunity cowards and school bullies do that not rational adults.
He breaches his friends private" only to be read by friends or friends of friends facebook pages "
Brian it is already more personal to converse with you.
MediaVoice
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7:11am Tue 21 Feb 12
Denial. I actually pity you Heath, you really have some serious and dangerous issues, but you do make me laugh. It's almost as sad as it is pathetic.
I wonder what the correct consequences should be for a man that abuses another man's children and calls them 'losers' ? I'm sure real men would have a swift and robust way of dealing with that, but I guess you were just picking on a woman (bit of a pattern there). How very brave of you - well done you.
If that's how you treat your friends it's no small wonder you have so few.
http://bit.ly/ynKde6
Stop changing the subject like a wimp, and tell us how you get on with your job applications. Tax payers don't want to keep your sorry backside until you die.
P Heath
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12:37pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Stop hiding meet me tea if you do not like coffee bring a witnesif need one how about an article in Gazette about Trolls and abusive blogs.
MediaVoice
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3:23pm Tue 21 Feb 12
Noted that the name calling continues from former Cllr Heath continues. It's all a bit desperate and I think if public money was spent on helping you address your problems, it has been largely wasted.
"Hacker", "troll". Dear oh dear. It's really desperate Phil. Rarely has such a fine example of cluelessness been seen on the net, but old people and technology don't always mix.
Keep taking the tablets and good luck with your job search. With your people skills you should find something...........
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robertspet8
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2:14pm Wed 22 Feb 12
iamapayne wrote:You touch on some very interesting issues Brian (is that your real name? I really don't care!).
Phil why you need to know real names and why you rude to people if i said my name is brian payne what that mean to you Jon i think you are bad man to say he is a liar and to be rude to him stevemac1970 why you interested you live in scotland robertspet8 why you interested you live in twickenham sorry for my english i live here 10 years my helper has just gone home
I think P. Heath is saying that he cannot trust anyone who remains anonomous. I think he is also saying that they can make false and abusive statements without fear of being identified.
But I am not pursuaded that Jon Harris is telling the truth just because I now know his name anymore than I was pursuaded that he was a liar when I did not have a clue who he was.
However, having seen the above sequence of heated comments I am pursuaded that both Jon Harris and P. Heath are so desperate to score points off each other that they could have stretched the truth to achieve this.
Whereas if they confined their comments to the issues and stopped attacking the person I would have far more faith in the truth of what they say.
Finally, where I live is of as little importance as my name. It is as irrelevant as my nationality, religion, age, sex, height, weight.....
MediaVoice
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4:14pm Wed 22 Feb 12
That is, of course, assuming he really is Mr Heath. I could equally call myself P Heath here (not withstanding the username is gone) and post in a ranty style and probably pass myself of as him without difficulty - so it's a moot point somewhat.
popleyrebel2
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8:44pm Thu 23 Feb 12
MediaVoice, if you were on the radio/ TV I and many others would turn you off.
jondave says...
12:06pm Sun 12 Feb 12