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Traveller policy put under the spotlight


POLICE only used their powers to deal with unauthorised gypsy and traveller encampments in Basingstoke and Deane on three occasions in 2009, new figures reveal.

A total of 372 caravans were involved in 62 encampments in the borough between January and November 2009, up from 231 caravans on 51 sites in 2008.

The statistics were contained in papers prepared for Basingstoke and Deane Borough councillors who last night begin an in-depth look at how such encampments in the area are dealt with.

Councillor Robert Taylor, chairman of the community wellbeing committee, told The Gazette it was sensible for his committee to review how the borough dealt with the issue because it had not been examined in five years.

He said: “We need a good look at what we are doing. We will be taking full account of existing legislation. We will be looking at whether we need an official site in the borough. There is nothing predetermined in terms of what we do or don’t do.”

The issue of whether to provide an official site could be a thorny one. Hampshire County Council provides 92 pitches at five sites across the county, but there has not been one in Basingstoke and Deane since Peak Copse, in Dummer, shut in 1996.

Hampshire Constabulary can use powers under section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 when:

* Six or more vehicles are parked in one location, or l the parked vehicles are causing a highway obstruction or hazard to road users

* a trespasser is causing an unreasonable level of nuisance

* entry and sustenance of the camp is or has caused “unacceptable levels of damage”

* trespassers face dangers from the site.

However, the police prefer to move travellers on, using powers under section 62 of the same act to approved sites.

The police guidance provided to the committee notes: “Unfortunately, there are no relevant sites in Hampshire and may not be for some years owing to planning and public consultation factors. As such this legislation is currently effectively unusable in Hampshire at this time.”

One of the three incidents where police moved travellers on last year was when they had camped beside Basingstoke hospital’s helicopter landing pad.

The papers for the committee show the council has spent £26,000 in the 2009-10 financial year protecting sites from unauthorised entry and an estimated £30,000 on staff in 2009. Since figures started being kept in September, the council has spent £2,000 cleaning up traveller sites.

Cllr Taylor said the committee would be taking evidence from experts, representatives of the travelling community and the public. He said it was aiming to produce some recommendations in September, but the timing could be changed.

Inspector John Halfacre, of Basingstoke police station, said Hampshire Constabulary worked with the councils to ensure a consistent approach to unauthorised encampments. He added: “Each encampment is assessed individually and a proportionate response is taken by the appropriate agency.”

Comments(14)

king_of_basingstoke says...
1:35pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Terrible people that dip into the pockets of all local tax payers leaving a farcical mess behind them - and that's just our local councillors. The travellers are nearly as bad! It's no wonder they don't want to contribute to taxes when we see what the dorks do with it!

Town Crier says...
2:47pm Thu 18 Mar 10

They are encamped on the football pitches at Brighton Hill. They forced entry which is surely against the law isn't it? How come these people can get away with these things?
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They have even hung their washing on the goalposts which is really taking the pi*s.
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I also see in three places around town contractors are building embankments to keep them out. It's almost like war now.
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We don't want the trouble they bring, and we don't want to pay for them either. Kick em out now!

Jo Walke says...
4:59pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Interesting if they are on football pitches.......from ACPO (association of chief police officers)....
'The lead role in the management of Unauthorised
Encampments will be with Local Authorities. Forces should
consider becoming involved in bringing about the prompt and
lawful removal of unauthorised encampments, including the use
of police powers under Section 61 or 62 of the Criminal Justice
& Public Order Act 1994 where:
i) Local amenities are deprived to communities or
significant impact on the environment.
This could include, for example, forming an encampment on
ANY PART OF A RECREATION GROUND, PUBLIC PARK school field, village
green, or depriving the public use of car parks. The fact that
other sections of the community are being deprived of the
amenities must be evident before action is taken.

PopleyRebel says...
5:44pm Thu 18 Mar 10

This has going on for far too long, and action must be taken, the authorities/agencies must get their act together.
What does surprise me is that a convoy of travellers can move around Basingstoke “undetected”
We are talking cars, Lorries and caravans and that’s some convoy to move without detection, therefore, are they detected and no actions is taken?????
It’s time the authorities put the residents first and use whatever laws possible to remove the travellers.

king_of_basingstoke says...
6:58pm Thu 18 Mar 10

You have to understand that if the Police ANPR does not detect an issue with a convoy of gypo's then there is *no* issue. It takes common sense, old fashioned policing skills and bottle to deal with gypo's - qualities you won't find in most of the Hampshire Constabulary employees. Make sure you put on those seatbelts now, you criminals!

Jo Walke says...
11:20pm Thu 18 Mar 10

It appears it is the Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003 that is impacting on use of police powers under section 62 of the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act of 1994.
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This, being the case as described by an inspector of the Hampshire in the above report, now leaves a question mark as to what happens in the event of any site being 'full' should provision be made within borough. Sadly, if unauthorised encampments were to continue in the same vein even after some provision then much of whatever incentive there is to pursue a site, whether this be with travellers in mind or that residents are not hindered, does some what evaporate.
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As a mother keen on teaching her children right from wrong, coupled with tolerent values I admit to feeling quite at a loss as to where i might start to explain this scenario.

PopleyRebel says...
11:46pm Thu 18 Mar 10

I believe the police and other agencies could/should do more to protect the public and public places from illegal traveller’s camps, what does surprise me however in Popley we have a (HLO) that’s a Hunt Liaison Officer
He was given the new post because of complaint from residents that horses were trampling over their gardens in Carpenters Down from Popley Woods.

Now forgive me for thinking that hunting is banned furthermore the last hunt over Popley woods was about 18 years ago therefore, wouldn’t his time be better spent rounding up travellers and not horses?

Town Crier says...
8:02am Fri 19 Mar 10

To gain entry to the fields at Brighton Hill they cut down wooden posts and forced open the height-restricter gate.
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This is criminal damage and should give the police enough reason to prosecute shouldn't it? Which community are the police working for I wonder?
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These people seem to be immune to our laws as well as our tax system.

ChinehamIan says...
8:17pm Sun 21 Mar 10

three occasions and 62 encampments...can someone help with me with my maths and also perhaps explain what I pay my council tax for? What a total joke.

ChinehamIan says...
8:18pm Sun 21 Mar 10

The reason they KEEP coming back here is because HCC and BDBC are soft a SOFT touch....at the taxpayers expense. Pathetic.

king_of_basingstoke says...
10:33am Tue 23 Mar 10

First of all, these are **NOT** travellers, they are 'Hampshire Orbital Gypsies' and it's not surprising to see them in Brighton Hill given the council is paying them to upgrade a play park in Gershwin Road. The crux is this - it is not in the interest of B&DBC to move these people on because they provide the workforce for many of the civil contracts handed out to the lowest bidder. Gypsies like money - don't assume them to be 'cheap'. It's not the old ladies with their need for 'tree surgry(sic)' or 'driveways' or 'roofing' that keeps them coming back, it's the £75,000.00 playpark, footpath and road work contracts dished out that do it!
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The price we pay is this; 'Mars Bar' quality work that lasts 2 minutes before needing total replacement coupled with an upsurge in distraction burglaries, sexual assaults, disappearing cats and petty theft for local residents to wear.
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If only the local authority would do some half sensible background checks on companies they contract work too, stop adopting 'cheapest is best' and desist with handing out work to companies on a 'friend of a friend of the O'Riley familiy' basis the carrot that draws this scum to our town will finally rot away.

PopleyRebel says...
5:49pm Tue 23 Mar 10

king_of_basingstoke, Town

If what you say is true then we the public need answers, if however, it’s just another” RUMOUR” then we can add it to the great Popley rumour that caused great concern to the residents.
For those who are not familiar with the Popley rumour, I quote
“There is a high chance that Popley will be top of the list for traveller sites - if we dont fight it we will almost certainly be putting up with the consequences!” un-quote

king_of_basingstoke says...
1:43pm Wed 24 Mar 10

It's factually solid and only takes a small amount of research to trace back many of these contractors to local traveller camps. The playpark development in Gershwin Road - 2 of the lads walk down each morning past my daughters flat from the camp to start work. Start with this and see where it takes you: ' being carried out by 'playground-equipmen
t.co.uk' ;-) Remember the reason gypsies are a dab hand with tarmac, is because they are used to putting it down on roads for our County Council.
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As for a travellers camp in Popley - I'd be surprised by that, the area has some vocal activists and motivation - unlike the rest of Basingstoke where the decisions are made at the Golf Club and Masonic Hall.

PopleyRebel says...
2:50pm Wed 24 Mar 10

Well, I’ve done a bit digging (not literally) however, all contractors who sub contract work out must insure that those who carry out the work (on their behalf) must have the appropriate documentation that would otherwise be asked by the Council to all contractors before accepting their tender for the work, and as travellers are not noted for their legal work and legal documentation I consider this to be just another (RUMOUR) just put it down to experience and add it to the Popley (RUMOUR)
However, if it’s proven right then there are more serious questions needing answeres as employing illegal workers can lead to a prison sentence,( now there’s a thought)

As for Popley, I take that as complement, as for vocal activist you might like to read,www.spidersweb.
me.uk


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