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I am fed up with all the finger pointing. They are all guilty. Lowe and his gang, Wilde and his cronies including the current pack of wolves. All of them contributed to our current pitiful situation.They must all share in the blame. The Echo must also share the blame with its one sided reporting and scare mongering.I for one am more interested in hearing comments and reading reports on how the damage can be repaired. I want to understand who is making the effort to find new investment for the club. I want to get behind the people who are trying to save the Saints. I want all those who screwed the saints so effectively to shut up and ship out!!!!

Come on you Reds, come on GB, 3 points against Hull please!!

A huge article slagging Rupert off and then undermining it with the last sentence.

Excellent journalism.

How about the Echo print something positive for a change?

Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness?
Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Judas saintsfan wrote:
Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

For my sins I am a cherries fan but have attended a great many Saints games over the years.

It seems to me that in general saints fans were rather "spoilt" by the many continuous years they spent in the top flight. The changes to the game resulting from the Sky money have been a bit of a rude awakening to many clubs, however, perhaps expectations of Saints fans are still too high.

If you list every club that wants to get back (or stay) to its "rightful" place in the Premier League, you will probably have a list of 40+ clubs. All these clubs - Derby, Wolves, Saints, Charlton, WBA, Forest etc etc all have lovely new or redeveloped stadiums, however, in the absence of a money-bags investor a la Pompey, at best most of these clubs can expect as few seasons in the top flight before an inevitable relegation.

What clubs need to do is to cut their cloth to suit this situation - balance the books on Championship income, and slowly build a new squad & momentum. I this means that fans have to wait a few seasons then so be it - but the way fan pressure is, I just cant see this happening.

What will happen is that Saints will continue losing money with a massive game of brinkmanship going on between the various investors/vultures. 30 mins before Administration (and the resulting penalties) someone will pick up the club on the cheap.

David Marshall wrote:
For my sins I am a cherries fan but have attended a great many Saints games over the years.

It seems to me that in general saints fans were rather \"spoilt\" by the many continuous years they spent in the top flight. The changes to the game resulting from the Sky money have been a bit of a rude awakening to many clubs, however, perhaps expectations of Saints fans are still too high.

If you list every club that wants to get back (or stay) to its \"rightful\" place in the Premier League, you will probably have a list of 40+ clubs. All these clubs - Derby, Wolves, Saints, Charlton, WBA, Forest etc etc all have lovely new or redeveloped stadiums, however, in the absence of a money-bags investor a la Pompey, at best most of these clubs can expect as few seasons in the top flight before an inevitable relegation.

What clubs need to do is to cut their cloth to suit this situation - balance the books on Championship income, and slowly build a new squad & momentum. I this means that fans have to wait a few seasons then so be it - but the way fan pressure is, I just cant see this happening.

What will happen is that Saints will continue losing money with a massive game of brinkmanship going on between the various investors/vultures. 30 mins before Administration (and the resulting penalties) someone will pick up the club on the cheap.

Spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

It's hard accepting the drop in standards, especially as the price of going to a game is so high these days, but I'm afraid it's time to dig in and support the team through adversity.

That, after all, is what supporting a small club is all about isn't it?

I too would love to blissfully pretend we were still a Premier League club with money to buy players, overshadowing our local rivals.

But now we can either accept that the tables have turned or sulk our way down the leagues.

Face facts – Pompey have a big investor, we have anything but.

Until that dream investor turns up (if ever) we have to finally admit to the fact that we'll have to do the best we can on a limited budget.

Stop sulking and dig in and fight – that's what we're demanding the players do, so let's show them the way.

Adopting a siege mentality has been the making of clubs as big as Man Utd and many England teams, and that's what we need at Saints.

That doesn't mean moaning and booing our own team by the way – that's not showing heart, it's throwing toys out of the pram.

We've always been better as underdogs, so start accepting we actually are fighting the odds, not under performing compared to teams of the past.

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it.
Cant be Rupert now can it.
The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop.
He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of.
And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man.
He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place.
He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years.
He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward.
Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about.
As he so rightly said "When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out.
And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result.
Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on.
Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

"The fact some want Lowe back is a damning indictment on the Michael Wilde regime."

These are the small bunch of luvvies that never wanted him out !

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princey boy wrote:

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it. Cant be Rupert now can it. The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of. And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place. He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years. He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward. Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about. As he so rightly said "When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out. And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result. Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on. Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

"He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward."

What exactly do you base your suppositions on then princey boy?
Something you overheard in the pub?
Funny how the people who work at the club day in day out disagree with this.

As for the comment re. Hoddle, Lowe was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't take him back. What exactly has Hoddle achieved since he left us, I for one think Lowe made the right decision not having him back.

And quite what having the name Rupert has to do with anything I will never know.

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Join the petition for Burley to become the next Scottish manager.

At least we would get some money from the Scottish FA to fund the coffers!!

James wrote:
http://www.petitiono nline.com/pl4k2905/p etition.html Join the petition for Burley to become the next Scottish manager. At least we would get some money from the Scottish FA to fund the coffers!!

Hoots mon.

We will definitely base our decision on who will be the next Scotland manager on the outcome of an online pole conducted by 'wacky' football fans.

Ach aye m'laddy.

princey boy wrote:
"The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop.
He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of."

Oh dear, oh dear yet more rubbish spouted about Lowe. I'd never heard this pile of wosname before but it's cracker!

Lowe wanted Hoddle, the fans didn't, the rest of the board got cold feet and voted it out, simple as that. If Lowe had got his way Hoddle would have come back. Would we have been relegated? Who knows. But for goodness sake get your facts straight.

SFC4EVA wrote:
Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!

Please you must be joking, when we were in the premiership I wished Lowe would go. The amount of money that guy has probably got in his back pocket from big money transfers over the years is unbelievable. We need a sole investor, someone showing their commitment to the cause.

Scott wrote:

SFC4EVA wrote: Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!Come back Lowe!!

Please you must be joking, when we were in the premiership I wished Lowe would go. The amount of money that guy has probably got in his back pocket from big money transfers over the years is unbelievable. We need a sole investor, someone showing their commitment to the cause.

Scott

As a plc EVERY penny has to be accounted for.
During Lowes tenure we actually spent more on players than we received.
But why let the truth cloud your particular agenda.

we have/had the best catering when i was in charge.

xoxox

Scott wrote:

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Please you must be joking, when we were in the premiership I wished Lowe would go. The amount of money that guy has probably got in his back pocket from big money transfers over the years is unbelievable. We need a sole investor, someone showing their commitment to the cause.

Ignore mate probably a PFC fan as there are plenty on here !

SFC4EVA wrote:
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I am a SAINTS FAN and always have been. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I think if Lowe hadn't been ousted by these Cowboys in charge at the moment...yes the cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans...promised the world and delivered nothing! We wouldn't be in the position we are now. Yes we may still be in the Championship but im sure he wouldn't be in the financial situation we are now! Come back Lowe and steady this rudderless ship!! These Clowns in charge haven't got a business brain cell between them!

SFC4EVA wrote:
I am a SAINTS FAN and always have been. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I think if Lowe hadn't been ousted by these Cowboys in charge at the moment...yes the cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans...promised the world and delivered nothing! We wouldn't be in the position we are now. Yes we may still be in the Championship but im sure he wouldn't be in the financial situation we are now! Come back Lowe and steady this rudderless ship!! These Clowns in charge haven't got a business brain cell between them!

So what your saying is that if Lowe hadn't left, we would be a little less screwed than we are at the moment (which was originally lowes fault i.e. relegation.)

Who was to know we'd oust Lowe and get even more inept leaders?

Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Better the devil you know.

Grass wasn't greener.


My point is who could have forseen numpty number one, could have been replaced by a whole team of numpties.

We'll get 3 points tommorrow!!!

There is one simple fact about Saints, they have not got a moneybags owner. Blackburn, Wigan, Man City, West Ham, Fulham, and of course Pompey have all got owners pumping huge amounts money and paying silly wages. If only Richard Branson was a Saints supporter!

princey boy wrote:

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it. Cant be Rupert now can it. The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of. And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place. He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years. He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward. Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about. As he so rightly said \"When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out. And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result. Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on. Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

Shows what a fool you are. It is well documented that Lowe did back Hoddle but the rest of the board did not. But to take it back a step, if you fcukwit supporters hadn't kicked up such a stink...we wouldn't be in this mess right now princey boy

Lowe Hater Hater wrote:

princey boy wrote:

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it. Cant be Rupert now can it. The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of. And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place. He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years. He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward. Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about. As he so rightly said \"When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out. And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result. Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on. Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

\"He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward.\" What exactly do you base your suppositions on then princey boy? Something you overheard in the pub? Funny how the people who work at the club day in day out disagree with this. As for the comment re. Hoddle, Lowe was damned if he did, and damned if he didn\'t take him back. What exactly has Hoddle achieved since he left us, I for one think Lowe made the right decision not having him back. And quite what having the name Rupert has to do with anything I will never know.

Princey-boy has based his suppositions on facts.
Rupert Lowe is merely a farmer, who thought he knew better than those who actually know a bit about football.
In a nutshell instead of doing what he was paid to do,he became far to involved in the football side of the club.
Remember , this was the divvy who said that DROGBA was not worth £2million, when he was proffesionally advised to sign him, and he was going to sign.
The same divvy told Strachan that we did not need to sign two players, one of them being Malbranque, and the reason for Strachans sudden departure.
And instead of buying players to keep SFC in the Premiership, that money went on appointing a stupid Rugby coach because Lowe knew better.
Good chairmans keep out of the football side of things.
Look at Hill-Wood at Arsenal, you would not see him sat in a frigging team photograph like that little prat did.
Oh and by the way l dont drink so l do not pick up any such gossip in a pub.
And l assume that the people who work within the club that you refer to, are the reliable source that keep feeding the echo with complete and utter bollix.
This Club is always going to be looking backwards as long as that little idiot is about.
He has without any shaddow of doubt delibrately stopped good investment coming into my club, because he is so bitter and twisted.
Still giving the manner in which he was quite easily put on his **** when he had to resign because he did not have the financial capability of staying put, l am sure someone with a bit of money will ultumately put the little divvy on his **** yet again, and take the club forward.

I like rupert, he is not an infedel like the rest of southampton........

Osama Bin Laden wrote:
I like rupert, he is not an infedel like the rest of southampton........

BIN LADEN, can u please s h ut up. u r actually the infedel in real.

SFC4EVA wrote:
I am a SAINTS FAN and always have been. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I think if Lowe hadn\'t been ousted by these Cowboys in charge at the moment...yes the cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans...promised the world and delivered nothing! We wouldn\'t be in the position we are now. Yes we may still be in the Championship but im sure he wouldn\'t be in the financial situation we are now! Come back Lowe and steady this rudderless ship!! These Clowns in charge haven\'t got a business brain cell between them!

There is no way you are a saints supporter SFC4EVA. In your latest waste of space.... sorry comment, you said "cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans". YOU simple saints fans???? Surely that should be US simple saints fans..... you fooking pompey fan

SFC4EVA wrote:
I am a SAINTS FAN and always have been. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I think if Lowe hadn't been ousted by these Cowboys in charge at the moment...yes the cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans...promised the world and delivered nothing! We wouldn't be in the position we are now. Yes we may still be in the Championship but im sure he wouldn't be in the financial situation we are now! Come back Lowe and steady this rudderless ship!! These Clowns in charge haven't got a business brain cell between them!

Of course we would be in the same financial position with Lowe in charge.....how the hell would our finances be any better then??? Have i missed something all these years, did Rupert actually put his own money in to buy players or pay wages then??? NO, thought not, so our financial situation wouldn't be any better whatsoever. You need to take your head out of the clouds. Relegation = no sky money, drop in gates, loss of sponsorship (Ruperts mates Friends Provident couldn't bale out quick enough!!).

The only reason we would be slightly better off is that Rupert wouldn't have gambled that cash on players hoping to get us up!!

SFC4EVA wrote:
I am a SAINTS FAN and always have been. I can put my hand on my heart and say that I think if Lowe hadn't been ousted by these Cowboys in charge at the moment...yes the cowboys who promised the world to suck in all you simple saints fans...promised the world and delivered nothing! We wouldn't be in the position we are now. Yes we may still be in the Championship but im sure he wouldn't be in the financial situation we are now! Come back Lowe and steady this rudderless ship!! These Clowns in charge haven't got a business brain cell between them!

Engage your brain and realise that its becaose of Lowe and relegation we are in the current situation ! This league has no tv revenue and we are being sunk due to the stadium mortgage !

These clowns in charge have done a sterling job under the circumstances.

when do we keep getting these **** injuries what is the manager doing wrong on the training ground

they must be critisized when they are not playing well. plus the fans are allowed to critisize because all their sweat was used to come to the games and all their money get used to feed the lazy a ss holes COME ON BURLEY!!!!!!!! COME ON BURLEY!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON YOU BURLEY!!!!!!!!!! make sure when the playes are on the pitch, THE SPIRIT OF THE SAINTS BE WITH THEM ALL 90 MINS !!!!!!!!! THE SPIRIT OF THE SAINTS BE WITH THEM ALL 90 MINS !!!!!!!!! they must understand that all the fans put all their might on them to urge them on!!!!!!!!!!! UP DA SAINTS. SAINTS FOREVER

So much speculation!!!! I think Rupert made some mistake as did the fans. We wanted Sturrock and I was pleased when we got Redcrap. Sturrock should've been given longer. Wigley shouldn't have been given a chance. He had no power over Hoddle and Strachan leaving. We were punching well above our weight for a long time. The fact that SFC shop is selling a DVD of two vistories over Man Utd speaks volumes. Merchandise like that is the mark of a small club after a giant killing. I like the early comment by the Cherries Supporter. We need to slow down and take stock. Balance the books and have a 5 year plan. I think Rupert would be a good business man to get us back in the black. He certainly wouldn't want the Academy to suffer which under this lot will be the first thing to go. Rupert, Wilde & Co and Fans have all played a part in the downfall.

I think there are other managers that could get better results out of our squad. Managers that are available too.

Neil wrote:

princey boy wrote:

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it. Cant be Rupert now can it. The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of. And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place. He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years. He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward. Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about. As he so rightly said \\\"When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out. And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result. Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on. Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

Shows what a fool you are. It is well documented that Lowe did back Hoddle but the rest of the board did not. But to take it back a step, if you fcukwit supporters hadn\'t kicked up such a stink...we wouldn\'t be in this mess right now princey boy

So its now the FANS fault.
Everyone elses is to blame, bar that idiot Lowe.
Fact is Neil,you clueless divvy none of us would be in this position but for Lowe getting us relegated by mis-management of SFC.
It would not make a blind bit of difference who was manager of SFC, Lowe-Life would have acted and treated Hoddle like he treated the other 8, FACT.
As for Hoddle,you would have him back would you.
Like you mate Lowe, he has no morals, left Saints after they were the only club willing to employ him after his quite disgraceful comments whilst England coach.
And l assume that you were one of the fcukwit supporters who swallowed his excuses for leaving Saints.
Let me remind you, Spurs were my boyhood team and they are in my blood, the Spurs job does not come around everyday so l have got to go.
Funny that because the Spurs job was up for grabs when he was at Swindon, didnt go then, did he.
The Spurs job come up when he was managing Chelsea, didnt go then neither.
But when the Spurs job came around when he was managing Saints,their he goes.
Like a lot of people, including your mate,he merely used SFC for his own benifit, and did not give a flying fook about the supporters.
Thing is Neil the little fish like Lowe will soon be a thing of the past,chairmans or owners now adays have proper money, something Lowe will never have, infact he handicapped SFC because of his lack of finance.
Thats another reason why we are in this mess right now.
Just go away Lowe, let someone with some serious capital takes this great club forward again.
Stick to farming and shooting innocent ducks because thats all your good for.

I like this Princey-boy,speaks right from the heart.
Keep it up mate!

Simple really Lowe is good a the buisness side he got us into a great stadium. His ego was just too big and loved the interviews so he could tell everyone about the great things he was doing for our club. The fans just want a decent team to be proud of he destroyed any chance of that with all the manager changes during his time at the helm. All our success during the 47 years i have been a saints fan the best periods we had Bates and lawrie Mac 2 managers in 20 years unlike Lowes 2 MANAGERS A SEASON Easy to work out why we are where we are rupert

Qualifications to become an Echo Journalist:
None, we just need staff.

That would explain that Mr Redknapp is now called Mr Redknappp and why people seem to be messing about with the weather rather than checking "whether" people are doing theyre job right. Try sorting it out Echo before you bash others.

Portswood Pete wrote:
princey boy wrote: "The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of." Oh dear, oh dear yet more rubbish spouted about Lowe. I'd never heard this pile of wosname before but it's cracker! Lowe wanted Hoddle, the fans didn't, the rest of the board got cold feet and voted it out, simple as that. If Lowe had got his way Hoddle would have come back. Would we have been relegated? Who knows. But for goodness sake get your facts straight.

Spot On,I wish you were a Echo reporter Portswood Pete.
Kind regards
David Crook

Lowe is not a football man,he is a buisness man.Why would we want him back?.
There were plenty of alarm bells ringing in 2004.Could not anyone see them. Pre season Lawrenson said," what worries me with Southampton is their lack of quality".
The performance at Fulham with players going through the motions with a hapless Wigley waving his arms around on the touchline, ever heard of body language Rupert'?.
" Southampton look like a football club in decline",Alex Ferguson MOTD Dec.
Read it and weep.....

I personally dont see what all the fuss is about. It was obvious from when Lowe got ousted it would go a bit wrong, but then it does for every team. Look at our lovely rivals down the road. For years they suffered in oblivion, even being sold to Terry Venables for a quid!. Eventually Milan Mandaric turned up and put in some intelligence and cash. Thus they returned to the top flight, and have been there since, just down to a bit of time and some luck. Im sure of it, that Saints wont be langering around the lower leagues for too much longer. Keep some faith people, and keep supporting the Saints. Regardless where we end up.

YES,I'M ANOTHER AGREEING WITH PORTSWOOD PETE.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT RUPERT DID TO UPSET THE ECHO SO MUCH,THERE WAS SO MUCH BIASED REPORTING AGAINST HIM 18 MONTHS AGO,AND WHAT WITH 'FAN GROUPS' AND THE 'WETS' ON THE BOARD STOPPING HODDLE COMING BACK,THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS MESS,THEY WERE THE WEAK ONES,RUPERT HAVING WORKED WITH HODDLE ALREADY,REALISED HE WAS A TOP COACH.
RUPERT WAS'N'T AGAINST SPENDING EITHER,IT'S JUST THAT MOST OF IT WENT ON THE STADIUM AND NOT ON OVERPAID STARS,AS I REMEMBER EVERYONE WANTED A NEW STADIUM AT THE TIME.COVENTRY SPENT EVERYTHING ON PLAYERS INCLUDING THE MONEY THEY SOLD THEIR STADIUM FOR,AND LOOK HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING.
YES,WE SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT NOT GETTING HODDLE BACK,THEN GO AND SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE OTHER FOOT GETTING RID OF RUPERT.ITS GOING TO BE A LONG WAY BACK NOW.

pugwash wrote:
YES,I'M ANOTHER AGREEING WITH PORTSWOOD PETE.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT RUPERT DID TO UPSET THE ECHO SO MUCH,THERE WAS SO MUCH BIASED REPORTING AGAINST HIM 18 MONTHS AGO,AND WHAT WITH 'FAN GROUPS' AND THE 'WETS' ON THE BOARD STOPPING HODDLE COMING BACK,THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS MESS,THEY WERE THE WEAK ONES,RUPERT HAVING WORKED WITH HODDLE ALREADY,REALISED HE WAS A TOP COACH. RUPERT WAS'N'T AGAINST SPENDING EITHER,IT'S JUST THAT MOST OF IT WENT ON THE STADIUM AND NOT ON OVERPAID STARS,AS I REMEMBER EVERYONE WANTED A NEW STADIUM AT THE TIME.COVENTRY SPENT EVERYTHING ON PLAYERS INCLUDING THE MONEY THEY SOLD THEIR STADIUM FOR,AND LOOK HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING. YES,WE SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT NOT GETTING HODDLE BACK,THEN GO AND SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE OTHER FOOT GETTING RID OF RUPERT.ITS GOING TO BE A LONG WAY BACK NOW.

Dear Pugwash,
What you wrote makes complete sense,I only wish we had more saints fans like you that could see the light,Its the fans that rejected Glenn Hoddle second time around that have made this once great club in the position it is now,all those saints fans that did not support Rupert Lowe in getting Glenn Hoddle back should be ashamed,each and every one of you.

Jim wrote:
Qualifications to become an Echo Journalist: None, we just need staff. That would explain that Mr Redknapp is now called Mr Redknappp and why people seem to be messing about with the weather rather than checking "whether" people are doing theyre job right. Try sorting it out Echo before you bash others.

It's 'their' not 'theyre'......!

David Crook wrote:

pugwash wrote: YES,I\'M ANOTHER AGREEING WITH PORTSWOOD PETE.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT RUPERT DID TO UPSET THE ECHO SO MUCH,THERE WAS SO MUCH BIASED REPORTING AGAINST HIM 18 MONTHS AGO,AND WHAT WITH \'FAN GROUPS\' AND THE \'WETS\' ON THE BOARD STOPPING HODDLE COMING BACK,THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS MESS,THEY WERE THE WEAK ONES,RUPERT HAVING WORKED WITH HODDLE ALREADY,REALISED HE WAS A TOP COACH. RUPERT WAS\'N\'T AGAINST SPENDING EITHER,IT\'S JUST THAT MOST OF IT WENT ON THE STADIUM AND NOT ON OVERPAID STARS,AS I REMEMBER EVERYONE WANTED A NEW STADIUM AT THE TIME.COVENTRY SPENT EVERYTHING ON PLAYERS INCLUDING THE MONEY THEY SOLD THEIR STADIUM FOR,AND LOOK HOW WELL THEY\'RE DOING. YES,WE SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT NOT GETTING HODDLE BACK,THEN GO AND SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE OTHER FOOT GETTING RID OF RUPERT.ITS GOING TO BE A LONG WAY BACK NOW.

Dear Pugwash, What you wrote makes complete sense,I only wish we had more saints fans like you that could see the light,Its the fans that rejected Glenn Hoddle second time around that have made this once great club in the position it is now,all those saints fans that did not support Rupert Lowe in getting Glenn Hoddle back should be ashamed,each and every one of you.

Well said David. St Mary's should be named St Bigot's. For those anti Lowe fans and Lawrie Mac- As you sow so shall you reap. 1 point against Sheffield Wednesday and a 17,000 gate?

Oh now this takes clutching at straws to a whole new level.
SFC would not be in this position now had everyone listened to old rupert, who got so many FOOTBALLING decision right now didnt he.
Re-appointing Hoddle would not have made one blind bit of difference.
Lowe-Life would have still suceeded in the mis-management of SFC that has brought the club to its knees, regardless of who was picking the team.
And in any case who is Glen Hoddle for goodness sake.
Never won anything as a player and his CV is rather poor as a manager, as well.
Just a below average manager who is so highly regarded as a football coach, he is UNEMPLOYED.
If he was any good, which is denied,he would be managing at the moment,end of.
Both Lowe-Life and Hoddle are not wanted by any football club, what does that tell you.
Bring back Lawrie-Mac, now theres a real FOOTBALL man who knows his stuff.

It seems to me the only things Lowe did wrong were not to spend money that the club didn't have, took to much of a hands on approach in the team affairs and making some poor team manager appointments.

JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS IN ANSWER TO PRICEY BOY,IF HODDLE WAS SO POOR(I THINK THERE MAYBE ONE OR TWO WHO DISAGREE MAYBE)WHY WERE ALL THE BANNERS ETC ETC HANGING DOWN FROM ALL THE M3 BRIDGES PLEADING FOR GLEN HODDLE NOT TO GO?
ALSO,IS THIS THE SAME LAWRIE THAT WALKED OUT ON OUR BELOVED SAINTS NOT ONLY ONCE BUT TWICE?THEY DO SAY THINGS COME IN THREES....

pugwash wrote:
JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS IN ANSWER TO PRICEY BOY,IF HODDLE WAS SO POOR(I THINK THERE MAYBE ONE OR TWO WHO DISAGREE MAYBE)WHY WERE ALL THE BANNERS ETC ETC HANGING DOWN FROM ALL THE M3 BRIDGES PLEADING FOR GLEN HODDLE NOT TO GO? ALSO,IS THIS THE SAME LAWRIE THAT WALKED OUT ON OUR BELOVED SAINTS NOT ONLY ONCE BUT TWICE?THEY DO SAY THINGS COME IN THREES....

So a few Divvys drapping a banner across a motorway bridge means that Hoddle should have come back, keep it up, you and others are now running out of excuses.
If you want to talk banners being drapped across motorway bridges let me take you back to 1976.
On the way back from Wembley after Mr Southampton(Lawrie Mac)had engineered our great cup triump, all bridges south of Fleet services were awashed with banners congratulating him and his team.
And it was about time he was giving the freedom of the city.
Lowe-Life would have a job getting freedom of Longdown Dairy Farm.
After all, he is only a farmer is he not.

princey boy wrote:

Neil wrote:

princey boy wrote:

Shazza wrote:

Ron wrote:

Judas saintsfan wrote: Gosh! Somebody at the Echo attempts journalism … and fails abysmally. Here, as usual, the convenient disregard of salient facts and many little gems of information: it is hard to know where to start on a critique, so I won’t waste my time and the readers’ patience, other than to ask whoever wrote it, 1: who’s fault was it Hoddle wouldn’t return? 2: who was really responsible for foisting Redknapp on the club (Echo Sport knows the answer, so why not tell your readers!), and 3: why did Harry refuse, despite having the need pointed out to him on frequent occasions, to improve the players’ fitness? Weather readers like Rupert or not, they deserve to be able to argue about his chairmanship armed with the facts, and the above is, like just about everything about Saints in the Echo for the last five years, is a disgrace. You should have got David Bick to write it!

Rupert is reading the weather report now then?

No wonder the weather has been crap lately, death to Rupert...

So l get it,it is now the Echoes fault is it. Cant be Rupert now can it. The reason Hoddle never returned was Lowe, full stop. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was because he backed down to supporters not wanting Hoddle back,end of. And stop blaming everyone else for your failings, who will it be next, Woggy the kit man. He showed just how weak and how poor a chairman he was for employing Harry Rednapp is the first place, when infact he did not want him in the first place. He showed how weak and poor a chairman he was by employing NINE managers in as many years. He showed how weak and a poor chairman he was by trying to tell all those managers that he employed how to train, who to buy, who not to buy and even employed others without any knowledge of football as a means of taking SFC forward. Graham Souness took about a split second to establish just what Rupert Lowe was all about. As he so rightly said \\\\\\\"When you have people with the name of RUPERT getting involved with a football club, its time to get out. And how right Mr Souness was, heres the end result. Just go Lowe, you had your chance you blew it, take it on the chin and move on. Stop acting like a little baby by throwing all your toys out of the pram because you cannot accept failure.

Shows what a fool you are. It is well documented that Lowe did back Hoddle but the rest of the board did not. But to take it back a step, if you fcukwit supporters hadn\\\'t kicked up such a stink...we wouldn\\\'t be in this mess right now princey boy

So its now the FANS fault. Everyone elses is to blame, bar that idiot Lowe. Fact is Neil,you clueless divvy none of us would be in this position but for Lowe getting us relegated by mis-management of SFC. It would not make a blind bit of difference who was manager of SFC, Lowe-Life would have acted and treated Hoddle like he treated the other 8, FACT. As for Hoddle,you would have him back would you. Like you mate Lowe, he has no morals, left Saints after they were the only club willing to employ him after his quite disgraceful comments whilst England coach. And l assume that you were one of the fcukwit supporters who swallowed his excuses for leaving Saints. Let me remind you, Spurs were my boyhood team and they are in my blood, the Spurs job does not come around everyday so l have got to go. Funny that because the Spurs job was up for grabs when he was at Swindon, didnt go then, did he. The Spurs job come up when he was managing Chelsea, didnt go then neither. But when the Spurs job came around when he was managing Saints,their he goes. Like a lot of people, including your mate,he merely used SFC for his own benifit, and did not give a flying fook about the supporters. Thing is Neil the little fish like Lowe will soon be a thing of the past,chairmans or owners now adays have proper money, something Lowe will never have, infact he handicapped SFC because of his lack of finance. Thats another reason why we are in this mess right now. Just go away Lowe, let someone with some serious capital takes this great club forward again. Stick to farming and shooting innocent ducks because thats all your good for.

spot on princey boy u talk a lot of sense cant get my head round all theese idiots sticking up for Lowe after what he has done to our club