Saints: The crisis deepens (From This is Hampshire)

Rudd Gillett wrote:
I think MLT has been conned by this shambles that call themselves Pinnacle.
He is so far in now he cannot back out! They are jokers and have probably put the final nail in our coffin, I hope I am wrong!

Nothing to say wrote:
It's Saints... of course everything is a fúcking mess.

Nothing to say wrote:
It's Saints... of course everything is a fúcking mess.

robhythe wrote:
Pinnacle go now

Fides wrote:
This is so, so much better than Rupert Lowe. Isn't it? I hope everyone who wanted us forced into administration by boycotting the team are still confident that was the best choice.

FaceonaBus wrote:
Shall we all meet outside SMS saturday to show our respects to our once great club, and also distrust and disgust in those that are alledgedly trying to save our club.
MLT SPEAK TO US< no one is doubting your love of the club. But surely the party that has taken us all in, have had ample time now to show their intentions. I really hope I am wrong, but cant see any blue sky for this deal.

COYR COYR COYR

robhythe wrote:
Pinnacle go now

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

robhythe wrote: Pinnacle go now

Why are you saying this when MLT said it would complete today having accepted all the FL terms. It is only early in the morning there.. Let's just ignore the above story and wait for a reporter to ask the questions.. this story is just a wind up warm up for the day.

Fides wrote:
This is so, so much better than Rupert Lowe. Isn't it? I hope everyone who wanted us forced into administration by boycotting the team are still confident that was the best choice.

Linesman wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

robhythe wrote: Pinnacle go now

Why are you saying this when MLT said it would complete today having accepted all the FL terms. It is only early in the morning there.. Let's just ignore the above story and wait for a reporter to ask the questions.. this story is just a wind up warm up for the day.

Yesterday, in a New York court, Bernard Madoff was sentenced to 150 (150) years in jail for swindling swindling some of the world's top money people out of £40 BILLION! (£40 BILLION)over a 20 year period (20 year period). It was the reason why a retired army officer committed suicide recently! With that in mind, does anyone think that the administrator is smarter than these international money men, and so could not have been 'taken for a ride'? I don't know, but it is beginning to look a bit suspicious!

TGRWorzel wrote:
RIP SFC Thanks for the one moment of genuine euphoria in 1976 !

Nothing to say wrote:
The Echo appear to be loving all this. If the club folds, then I will include the Echo and their editors on the list of people who were to blame. There could be a lot of angry Saints fans around.

truelysaints wrote:
Even a Lowe comeback sounds inviting. What is Fry doing? Bye see you in another life

Linesman wrote:

Nothing to say wrote: The Echo appear to be loving all this. If the club folds, then I will include the Echo and their editors on the list of people who were to blame. There could be a lot of angry Saints fans around.

There is a saying that when there is bad news, "Don't shoot the messenger!" The Echo is merely printing news as they know it! IF the club folds, The Echo will probably be the local firm that loses the most money, so they do not want it to fold. Many people buy The Echo mainly for news of Saints, so if there is no Saints, with no Saints news, the paper will not be bought! 'The Pink' will not be printed either, so there will be a loss of revenue from that as well! I don't think that The Echo can be blamed for this fiasco! Without them keeping us up to date with the news as they know it, where would we get our information?

Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
What a load od complete S**T... This deal is done... just a headline, ignore it.

HolyportSaint wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

robhythe wrote: Pinnacle go now

Why are you saying this when MLT said it would complete today having accepted all the FL terms. It is only early in the morning there.. Let's just ignore the above story and wait for a reporter to ask the questions.. this story is just a wind up warm up for the day.

Yesterday, in a New York court, Bernard Madoff was sentenced to 150 (150) years in jail for swindling swindling some of the world's top money people out of £40 BILLION! (£40 BILLION)over a 20 year period (20 year period). It was the reason why a retired army officer committed suicide recently! With that in mind, does anyone think that the administrator is smarter than these international money men, and so could not have been 'taken for a ride'? I don't know, but it is beginning to look a bit suspicious!

Very well said Linesman....despite your postcode :-)

kinkyboots70 wrote:
was there any feed back about the meeting with the league yesterday

San Marco wrote:

Fides wrote:
This is so, so much better than Rupert Lowe. Isn't it? I hope everyone who wanted us forced into administration by boycotting the team are still confident that was the best choice.

This is the logical result of the Lowe (and then Wilde) mis-management over a number of years. However bad it gets it in no way exonerates Lowe. I suggest Lowe-Luvvies slither back to wherever they've been hiding in shame for the last few months...

ourkid1984 wrote:
Most of you people sound as though its a close member of your family that is dying! It's nearly as bad as this news story!

The only stuff worth listening to nowdays is the comments that come from the actual people involved and as I haven't heard a word from the Swiss group and nothing from Marc Jackson for weeks. I can only really take notice of Pinnacle and Mark Fry.

Pinnacle said that they would make the deal today, if I'm right, it's still Tuesday for a few more hours yet!

And Marc Fry was saying that he was having serious meetings with the other groups yesterday, just because it's the next day (early morning) doesn't mean that nothing happened yesterday!

I'm hoping that that this is what papers do, and try and sell more papers and hopefully we will hear an official word some time today.

hasnain11 wrote:
This is it! If the administrator is saying he is 'not confident' then thats it! We are doomed What will happen if the club does fold on friday?

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:
This has all been an emotional roller coaster. I feel like I am being held on an emotional string that Echo occasionally yank to send me into the depths of despondency only for Matty to pick me up again and then for the Echo to deflate me again. I really don't know what I want for SFC at the moment. I have become so doubtful of the Pinnacle group that even the possibility of Matty as Chairman does not reassure me. That decision in itself is worrying for how competent a chairman is he likely to make and has it all been a cruel ploy by PG to exploit Matty in order to get the fans on their side and thus bring pressure on Fry. Then there is the Swiss. Do we really want bankers to own the club. No banker ever created anything and of course I think we once had a disastrous chairman who was a banker and I don't want to go there again. Then there is a middle east group. Not an ex Thai PM I hope or some shady arab like that bunch of t0ss pots down the road. Even the sunshine hasn't lifted my spirits. Come to think of it even the weather forecaster has it in for me promising a heat wave today and as I type it is raining. Good God it has happened the world is coming to an end. Well at least it seems mine is!

parthian wrote:
Linesman is so right.
Distressed at the utter mess that the club has become, fans turn on the one source of generally reliable, independent indformation they have.
I'm really sick of reading every Saints story attacked as poor journalism, when the Echo has consistently led the way with accurate information about every cough and splutter of this abject farce.
The club is being destroyed by a cretinous group of half-arsed berks who clearly lack the necessary money and have behaved bizarrely throughout. The paper has just reported that straight.
The story in today's paper extensively quotes Mark Fry saying he has major doubrts about the ability of Pinnacle to pay for the club. Something that has been apparent for weeks. Those quotes are not on the website because the paper is hoping true fans will buy a copy and so support the journalism it funds.
It is not a sensationalist headline - Three of the best, most promising players have been sold off to pay the biolls and as of tomorrow there are no coaches and the club might be wound up on friday if a buyer cannot be found. IT IS A CRISIS you utter morons, I can think of no clearer definition. Sensationalism means over the top reporting - look it up. Twats.
There is NO other accurate source of info and don't witter about those mindless git-fests that are the braindead saints forums, full only of witless speculation and the worst kind of COYR idiot ranting.
The Saints story has been a tragic joke over the past couple of years and it seems to me the paper has done its best to be postive and resist the urge to slag everything off.
If only fans here could do the same. Get some perspective and stop shooting the messenger.

threetimes wrote:
Lets get things in perspective here. The Echo is not a voluntary organisation. They want to shift as many copies as possible, hence leading stories like the one above ("for the full story, buy todays Daily Echo"). If Mark Fry was going to make a statement it would be via the club website, not the local rag. The longer we're out of the Premier League, and slipping down the leagues, the less coverage we get in national press, and we therefore have to turn to the local paper for news. The Echo know this and want to maximise readership/turnover, as any commercial business would. They know they're not going to have any "news" to print today, so have chosen to do some sensationalist commentary. They're probably expecting a bumper news day tomorrow when Pinnacle will have completed. MLT wouldn't have said what he said if he thought there was a doubt. Have faith.

man under cloudy sky wrote:
instead of being out on the golf course that gullable **** MLT should be kicking these pinnacle chancers up the arse

owen_thesaints wrote:
South Today sports reporter last night said that they they understood Pinnacle were no longer in pole position and that Mr Fry was taking two other bids more seriously. Did anyone else see this?

hasnain11 wrote:
This is it! If the administrator is saying he is 'not confident' then thats it! We are doomed

What will happen if the club does fold on friday?

threetimes wrote:
Lets get things in perspective here. The Echo is not a voluntary organisation. They want to shift as many copies as possible, hence leading stories like the one above ("for the full story, buy todays Daily Echo"). If Mark Fry was going to make a statement it would be via the club website, not the local rag. The longer we're out of the Premier League, and slipping down the leagues, the less coverage we get in national press, and we therefore have to turn to the local paper for news. The Echo know this and want to maximise readership/turnover, as any commercial business would. They know they're not going to have any "news" to print today, so have chosen to do some sensationalist commentary. They're probably expecting a bumper news day tomorrow when Pinnacle will have completed. MLT wouldn't have said what he said if he thought there was a doubt. Have faith.

elvis wrote:
Where the fu*k are the football league.What are these wan*ers doin,Im sure in the past they have bent over backwards in the past to help clubs in our situation,now they just seem to be screwing us into the ground.What happened yesterday theres nothin on the FL website nothing on ours and the echo seem to know fu*k all.Im not intrested in whos fault it is I dont care where it went wrong I just want to know whos doing what to save this fuc*ing club.Anybody can tell you its worth saving so for fuc*s sake someone somewhere do the right thing.

Linesman wrote:

Nothing to say wrote: The Echo appear to be loving all this. If the club folds, then I will include the Echo and their editors on the list of people who were to blame. There could be a lot of angry Saints fans around.

There is a saying that when there is bad news, "Don't shoot the messenger!" The Echo is merely printing news as they know it! IF the club folds, The Echo will probably be the local firm that loses the most money, so they do not want it to fold. Many people buy The Echo mainly for news of Saints, so if there is no Saints, with no Saints news, the paper will not be bought! 'The Pink' will not be printed either, so there will be a loss of revenue from that as well! I don't think that The Echo can be blamed for this fiasco! Without them keeping us up to date with the news as they know it, where would we get our information?

SomersetSaint wrote:
I lost all confidence in Pinnacle weeks ago. Lynam is a clown (his first statement to Saints fans could have been written by a 10 year old!) and by the time Fialka appeared they had become a joke. I bet when the truth comes out, they have no financial backing of any note, they didn't put up £500K before entering 'exclusivity' and they didn't pay the wages in May. Mark my words!!

Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:
The players have been called to a meeting at the training ground this pm - probably just to confirm that they'll get paid but it would be nice to think that it might be to give them confirmation of the new owners! Pigs and fly are two words that spring immediately to mind!

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

elvis wrote:
Where the fu*k are the football league.What are these wan*ers doin,Im sure in the past they have bent over backwards in the past to help clubs in our situation,now they just seem to be screwing us into the ground.What happened yesterday theres nothin on the FL website nothing on ours and the echo seem to know fu*k all.Im not intrested in whos fault it is I dont care where it went wrong I just want to know whos doing what to save this fuc*ing club.Anybody can tell you its worth saving so for fuc*s sake someone somewhere do the right thing.

Dear Echo, as well as asking questions instead of printing wind ups like the above could you please remove or edit posts from the filthy mouthed individuals that persist in using partially spelt obscenities.

Elvis: Matt Says the deal should be done today, it may be tomorrow.

Matt always comes through and no-one around respects the club and the fans more than him.

Pretty soon we'll know for sure but don't bottle out and lose it now.. stay excited.. The Saints are getting bought and we'll have Matt at the Helm with a great new manager and money to spend on players... That to me is very exciting and I'm trying not to let the Echo or Fry spoil it.
If it ends badly, we'll hear from MLT and then we'll all swear - loudly... until then

Yay for Pinnacle sign that deal today

UP The SAINTS ..

SW11_Saint wrote:
If Pinnacle don't close the deal TODAY I think we HAVE to go with the Swiss - assuming Fry is right that they have the funds in place etc. (although how long will the legals etc. take??). Talking of Fry, I don't think I've evern come across a more badly organised administration. I guess that's due to going for a little outfit, without the right level of experience, rather than one of the "big boy" firms. You pay peanuts... As with everything to do with Saints, the whole saga is a complete and utter mess. However did our club get to be such a shambles...?

SW11_Saint wrote:
If Pinnacle don't close the deal TODAY I think we HAVE to go with the Swiss - assuming Fry is right that they have the funds in place etc. (although how long will the legals etc. take??). Talking of Fry, I don't think I've evern come across a more badly organised administration. I guess that's due to going for a little outfit, without the right level of experience, rather than one of the "big boy" firms. You pay peanuts... As with everything to do with Saints, the whole saga is a complete and utter mess. However did our club get to be such a shambles...?

Dimond wrote:
As it seems, Sky is the only place to get reputable information, which is scary as they are owned by the same lot as FOX News, I have just got the following from their website: "Former Sunderland boss Peter Reid has dismissed speculation linking him with a move to Southampton. Reports have suggested a consortium looking to gain control at St Mary's have targeted Reid as the man they want to lead the team. Reid, who spent one season playing for Southampton between 1993-94, is currently coach of the Thailand national team and he is under contract until 2012. Ex-Leeds chief Reid insists he is unaware of the rumours linking him with Southampton and remains happy with his role with Thailand. "I know nothing about the reports, they were just speculation from England," Reid told the Bangkok Post. "I'm happy to remain head coach of the Thai national team So one piece of good news this morning!

Peter Strait wrote:
Is it possible that Fry has been brought in by Barclays Bank to do nothing more than asset strip then close Southampton FC aided and abetted of course by the Football League.

He insists on dealing with Pinnacle who obviously do not have either the ability or the money as is evident by their stance on the ten point deductions, and the Fialka incident both obvious stalling tactics.

If Pinnacle are serious about buying the Club why are they allowing the best players to sold, surely that is the reason you would invest your money.

It must also be said how good a Chairman would be Le Tissier be if he has not fully checked the credentials of these people - lack of foresight - see Rupert Lowe.

Threatening to liquidate the Club whilst ignoring the other bidders, and now the panic selling of players suggest that Fry has no real interest in the future, and is cashing in on behalf of the Bank.

I hope I am wrong but I think we are being duped.

Captain Swing wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Nothing to say wrote: The Echo appear to be loving all this. If the club folds, then I will include the Echo and their editors on the list of people who were to blame. There could be a lot of angry Saints fans around.

There is a saying that when there is bad news, "Don't shoot the messenger!" The Echo is merely printing news as they know it! IF the club folds, The Echo will probably be the local firm that loses the most money, so they do not want it to fold. Many people buy The Echo mainly for news of Saints, so if there is no Saints, with no Saints news, the paper will not be bought! 'The Pink' will not be printed either, so there will be a loss of revenue from that as well! I don't think that The Echo can be blamed for this fiasco! Without them keeping us up to date with the news as they know it, where would we get our information?

The Echo can be blamed for a good deal. This situation is the culmination of five years of exageration, misinformation and obfuscation. Remember how we were told, day in day out, as Wilde's campaign to become chairman gathered support, that he'd bring in his own wealth and attract further investment? Day after day, non stop - Mary Corbett says this, Lawrie says that, Keith Wieman lashes out ... on and on until an already unpopular Rupert Lowe became a bogy man and was disposed - to near hysterical acclimation. Well, you sheep, you chose to believe the Echo, you ate the black propganda, begged for more, and this is the result. And you can bet your life that there people at Newspaper House who think this Hilarious. And the biggest joke of all is that most of you posting on this site still believe Rupert was the problem, when it should be obvious now, given the number of multi-billionairs presently fighting to take over the club, that when he returned last summer he was in fact our last hope. How well I recall the words of Mike Osman: "Thank you! Thank you Michael Wilde, for giving this club back to its supporters!" Cue over enthusiastic applause. Mugs!

montecristosaint wrote:
I tried to form a fans group to raise funds to buy the club a few months ago. It was a scheme based one that had been successfully tried in Portugal a few years ago when I was working as FD of an international law firm there. I am a Saints fan, always have been. If you want to save your club, assuming that you are let down by Fry and all these other charlies looking to play the big I am then will you now listen. Think along the lines of the annual "Save the Children" televised event and you will get my drift. I propose to do exactly the same only it will be a regional event with the object of saving this great club. It will mean effort on the part of every Saints fan contributing what they can, obtaining sponsorship working in their communities to make the money to save the Saints. Up to now I have not been convinced that enough of you care enough to put yourselves out.I went on this site repeatedly earlier in the year but got precious little response. You now have a clear choice assuming the club's takeover falls through.Take up the challenge that I am sending you and see it through. Do that and you may still have a club at the end if it all. Those interested should email saintsforachange@liv e.co.uk. Answer in numbers and I will organise a public meeting in Southampton.Do not and the club may simply die.

weh8pompey wrote:
PINNACLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU ARE F@CKING USELESS!!and as for matt le tiss saying it could take THREE years to get out of a monkey league!!!!!!good one matt!your group really hasnt got hundreds of millions has it!mug.GET OUT!!WE DONT WANT YOU.BRING ON THE SWISS GROUP OR OIL MONEY

weh8pompey wrote:
PINNACLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU ARE F@CKING USELESS!!and as for matt le tiss saying it could take THREE years to get out of a monkey league!!!!!!good one matt!your group really hasnt got hundreds of millions has it!mug.GET OUT!!WE DONT WANT YOU.BRING ON THE SWISS GROUP OR OIL MONEY

Bassett Boy wrote:
And with the 'hundreds of millions' at their disposal they'll be able to get far better players than McGoldrick & Surman and we'll all be able to sleep soundly at night, safe in the knowledge that our club is in in safe hands.
Then I woke up!

Bassett Boy wrote:
EricMartin'sHat, Calne says... 11:03am Tue 30 Jun 09 It strikes me that if the Administrators were interested in the long-term survival of Saints, they would compare all potential buyers credentials and business plans, and then proceed with the most viable option. Rather than jump into bed with the first group of wide-boys who can flash some cash and buy exclusivity. Let's see what the other parties have got to offer Mr Fry - take what's best for our Club. ************** The administrators have NO interest in the long term survival of SFC. They are appointed by the court to get the best possible deal for the creditors. If that means selling the club as a going concern, fine. If it means assett stripping and winding the club up, that's fine too! Understand..Mark Fry does not care in the least about Saints FC! He's just doing a job, and just because we don't like what's happening, it doesn't mean he's not doing a good job.

saint_luke wrote:
I agree there will always be a southampton fc even if it is afc saints the fans shouldn't let this club die!!!

saintrooty wrote:

weh8pompey wrote: PINNACLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU ARE F@CKING USELESS!!and as for matt le tiss saying it could take THREE years to get out of a monkey league!!!!!!good one matt!your group really hasnt got hundreds of millions has it!mug.GET OUT!!WE DONT WANT YOU.BRING ON THE SWISS GROUP OR OIL MONEY

errrm, monkey league? I think you'll be suprised mate, look at it, leeds, charlton, norwich, mk dons and you can chuck Tranmere in with them too, by no means a monkey league if you look at it without the "we're still a big club" glasses on. Face it, we're not. Even if we do get bought then we will be down to the bare bones. WE WILL struggle, we're starting on -10 with whats going to be an acadamy team in a league where you need strngth and experiance. Despite this negative outlook im still cheering the lads on next season, league one, blue square or afc saints. COYR

saintrooty wrote:

saint_luke wrote: I agree there will always be a southampton fc even if it is afc saints the fans shouldn't let this club die!!!

it wont, but there are a lot of "fans" that need to look at themselves who have allowed it to get this bad. The "stayawayers" costing us 10's of 1000's in lost revenue in ticket sales, programmes, beer and food. The people who didnt turn up for the charity match or saints aid. You were sat on your arses saying "why isnt anything being done to raise money", it was done but what happened?? exactly, blatent lack of support at OUR clubs time of need. So now we find ourselves where we are now because of a select few people at the higher levels and a good few thousand people at fan level. To those....thanks a bunch.

saintrooty wrote:

saint_luke wrote: I agree there will always be a southampton fc even if it is afc saints the fans shouldn't let this club die!!!

it wont, but there are a lot of "fans" that need to look at themselves who have allowed it to get this bad. The "stayawayers" costing us 10's of 1000's in lost revenue in ticket sales, programmes, beer and food. The people who didnt turn up for the charity match or saints aid. You were sat on your arses saying "why isnt anything being done to raise money", it was done but what happened?? exactly, blatent lack of support at OUR clubs time of need. So now we find ourselves where we are now because of a select few people at the higher levels and a good few thousand people at fan level. To those....thanks a bunch.

weh8pompey wrote:

saintrooty wrote:

weh8pompey wrote: PINNACLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU ARE F@CKING USELESS!!and as for matt le tiss saying it could take THREE years to get out of a monkey league!!!!!!good one matt!your group really hasnt got hundreds of millions has it!mug.GET OUT!!WE DONT WANT YOU.BRING ON THE SWISS GROUP OR OIL MONEY

errrm, monkey league? I think you'll be suprised mate, look at it, leeds, charlton, norwich, mk dons and you can chuck Tranmere in with them too, by no means a monkey league if you look at it without the "we're still a big club" glasses on. Face it, we're not. Even if we do get bought then we will be down to the bare bones. WE WILL struggle, we're starting on -10 with whats going to be an acadamy team in a league where you need strngth and experiance. Despite this negative outlook im still cheering the lads on next season, league one, blue square or afc saints. COYR

it is a f@cking monkey league.you said it yourself mk dons??who the f@ck are mk dons.premier and the championship are the only places to be.and if pinnacle REALLY did have "hundreds of millions" they would not be saying it could take 3 years to get out.they could buy the league and own it.phoney pinnacle.f@ck off.give us oil money

weh8pompey wrote:

saintrooty wrote:

weh8pompey wrote: PINNACLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU ARE F@CKING USELESS!!and as for matt le tiss saying it could take THREE years to get out of a monkey league!!!!!!good one matt!your group really hasnt got hundreds of millions has it!mug.GET OUT!!WE DONT WANT YOU.BRING ON THE SWISS GROUP OR OIL MONEY

errrm, monkey league? I think you'll be suprised mate, look at it, leeds, charlton, norwich, mk dons and you can chuck Tranmere in with them too, by no means a monkey league if you look at it without the "we're still a big club" glasses on. Face it, we're not. Even if we do get bought then we will be down to the bare bones. WE WILL struggle, we're starting on -10 with whats going to be an acadamy team in a league where you need strngth and experiance. Despite this negative outlook im still cheering the lads on next season, league one, blue square or afc saints. COYR

it is a f@cking monkey league.you said it yourself mk dons??who the f@ck are mk dons.premier and the championship are the only places to be.and if pinnacle REALLY did have "hundreds of millions" they would not be saying it could take 3 years to get out.they could buy the league and own it.phoney pinnacle.f@ck off.give us oil money

saint_luke wrote:

saintrooty wrote:

saint_luke wrote: I agree there will always be a southampton fc even if it is afc saints the fans shouldn't let this club die!!!

it wont, but there are a lot of "fans" that need to look at themselves who have allowed it to get this bad. The "stayawayers" costing us 10's of 1000's in lost revenue in ticket sales, programmes, beer and food. The people who didnt turn up for the charity match or saints aid. You were sat on your arses saying "why isnt anything being done to raise money", it was done but what happened?? exactly, blatent lack of support at OUR clubs time of need. So now we find ourselves where we are now because of a select few people at the higher levels and a good few thousand people at fan level. To those....thanks a bunch.

Yeah, but if it does fold them stay awayers can stay away. We should build a club with the fans who were there all last season not the one who just turn up like Sheffield United two years ago. We dont need them!!! COYR

kinkyboots70 wrote:
i dont think pinnicle have a pot to p1ss in .if they had all that money they would have accepted the pts deduction bought the club kept the players they wanted bought players they wanted and romped the league.however they didnt they wont they cant.its dark days

saint_luke wrote:

saintrooty wrote:

saint_luke wrote: I agree there will always be a southampton fc even if it is afc saints the fans shouldn't let this club die!!!

it wont, but there are a lot of "fans" that need to look at themselves who have allowed it to get this bad. The "stayawayers" costing us 10's of 1000's in lost revenue in ticket sales, programmes, beer and food. The people who didnt turn up for the charity match or saints aid. You were sat on your arses saying "why isnt anything being done to raise money", it was done but what happened?? exactly, blatent lack of support at OUR clubs time of need. So now we find ourselves where we are now because of a select few people at the higher levels and a good few thousand people at fan level. To those....thanks a bunch.

Yeah, but if it does fold them stay awayers can stay away. We should build a club with the fans who were there all last season not the one who just turn up like Sheffield United two years ago. We dont need them!!! COYR

normsted wrote:
MLT has come out and stated that the Pinacle group is prepared to suck up the -10 points,so the stumbling block is that Pinnacle are digging in for the right to appeal at a later date. the FL are saying you can buy the club but on our terms. So this all ends up a blind alley,As previous posters have said Mr Fry,s resposbilities lie with the creditors not the club he is duty bound to eventually asset strip to pay them.He should of asked pinnacle before granting exclusivity,"are you prepared to buy the club under the terms that satisfy the FL".If not ,bring the next buyer in. With hindsight the period of exclusivity was a grave error of judgement that has proplonged the sale,because pinnacle have used that period to bicker with the FL.But to be honest I trust MLT and that seems to me to be the only glimmer of hope at the moment.......

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

normsted wrote: MLT has come out and stated that the Pinacle group is prepared to suck up the -10 points,so the stumbling block is that Pinnacle are digging in for the right to appeal at a later date. the FL are saying you can buy the club but on our terms. So this all ends up a blind alley,As previous posters have said Mr Fry,s resposbilities lie with the creditors not the club he is duty bound to eventually asset strip to pay them.He should of asked pinnacle before granting exclusivity,"are you prepared to buy the club under the terms that satisfy the FL".If not ,bring the next buyer in. With hindsight the period of exclusivity was a grave error of judgement that has proplonged the sale,because pinnacle have used that period to bicker with the FL.But to be honest I trust MLT and that seems to me to be the only glimmer of hope at the moment.......

Mat said on Sunday that they would accept the FL ruling and sign the waiver of appeal. He assured that everything was good and heading in the right track to have the deal done by weds he later changed that to Tuesday... it's half time and Matt's going to get the winner for us this afternoon or maybe in extra time. We can wait a little more but please everyone, until we actually hear otherwise from the man himself stick with Matt, he gave his entire career to Saints. Go for it Pinnacle. United with Matt Up the Saints!!

Captain Kirk wrote:

Tirau Dan (NZL) wrote:

normsted wrote: MLT has come out and stated that the Pinacle group is prepared to suck up the -10 points,so the stumbling block is that Pinnacle are digging in for the right to appeal at a later date. the FL are saying you can buy the club but on our terms. So this all ends up a blind alley,As previous posters have said Mr Fry,s resposbilities lie with the creditors not the club he is duty bound to eventually asset strip to pay them.He should of asked pinnacle before granting exclusivity,"are you prepared to buy the club under the terms that satisfy the FL".If not ,bring the next buyer in. With hindsight the period of exclusivity was a grave error of judgement that has proplonged the sale,because pinnacle have used that period to bicker with the FL.But to be honest I trust MLT and that seems to me to be the only glimmer of hope at the moment.......

Mat said on Sunday that they would accept the FL ruling and sign the waiver of appeal. He assured that everything was good and heading in the right track to have the deal done by weds he later changed that to Tuesday... it's half time and Matt's going to get the winner for us this afternoon or maybe in extra time. We can wait a little more but please everyone, until we actually hear otherwise from the man himself stick with Matt, he gave his entire career to Saints. Go for it Pinnacle. United with Matt Up the Saints!!

There is a problem asset stripping. What assets are left? Our best/senior players either gone, going or out of contract. No first team coaching staff. Only a stadium and a training ground left. Who would want a stadium without a club to play in it? Without a club the training ground is only worth something as development land and what is the possibility of that?

stoney79 wrote:
Right, I'm confused. Can somebody explain this to me. The holding company, SLH went into administration, the football team did not, so Mr Fry is only in charge of the holding company - trying to sell the football team (SFC) as a going concern. This is the basis of all the cr@p that has been chatted about how cruel the FL are, no? So we are all aware of this split, yes? So why do we think that Mr Fry has anything to do with selling the players? He can't make that decision, the team isn't in administration - it's just the evil FL trying to prove a point??? Or there truly is little to separate the Plc & the Ltd, Begbies are in charge of both, the 10 points should stand, all the cr@p chatted about the evil FA etc was just wrong and Pinnacle are just coming up with excuses. ‘Fans’ are just chatting sh1t again and staring trouble , like they did with Ian Branfoot, David Merrington, Stuart Gray, Paul Sturrock, Lowe, Wilde, etc etc etc. Look at Arsenal, Man U, even bloody Everton for fcuks sake – a football club needs consistency. It needs a long run under the same manager/board, but as soon as somebody has a poor start or a bit of a dip in form Saints fans turn against him and make their position untenable - so they quit and somebody else comes in and no consistency. It’s the fans blowing the in wind and not thinking about the future that **** Saints, not Lowe, not even Wilde, not anybody to blame but the fans demanding managers quit, the board quit, boycotting the SMS etc. Should have just stuck to shouting from the terraces, if you could do better you’d be running a football club, not just supporting one, and Saints would prob still be in the prem today….. I hope you are all happy boo boys, now we may have nothing next year. Pause, give yourselves all a big pat on the back and start having a go at Ian Dowie for not achieving promotion with Eastleigh. Bunch of know nothing arrogant **** who think they know best, think for one second, if you really did have a clue you’d be busy running a football club instead of commenting on Echo stories wouldn’t you?!?

stoney79 wrote:
Right, I'm confused. Can somebody explain this to me. The holding company, SLH went into administration, the football team did not, so Mr Fry is only in charge of the holding company - trying to sell the football team (SFC) as a going concern. This is the basis of all the cr@p that has been chatted about how cruel the FL are, no? So we are all aware of this split, yes? So why do we think that Mr Fry has anything to do with selling the players? He can't make that decision, the team isn't in administration - it's just the evil FL trying to prove a point??? Or there truly is little to separate the Plc & the Ltd, Begbies are in charge of both, the 10 points should stand, all the cr@p chatted about the evil FA etc was just wrong and Pinnacle are just coming up with excuses. ‘Fans’ are just chatting sh1t again and staring trouble , like they did with Ian Branfoot, David Merrington, Stuart Gray, Paul Sturrock, Lowe, Wilde, etc etc etc. Look at Arsenal, Man U, even bloody Everton for fcuks sake – a football club needs consistency. It needs a long run under the same manager/board, but as soon as somebody has a poor start or a bit of a dip in form Saints fans turn against him and make their position untenable - so they quit and somebody else comes in and no consistency. It’s the fans blowing the in wind and not thinking about the future that **** Saints, not Lowe, not even Wilde, not anybody to blame but the fans demanding managers quit, the board quit, boycotting the SMS etc. Should have just stuck to shouting from the terraces, if you could do better you’d be running a football club, not just supporting one, and Saints would prob still be in the prem today….. I hope you are all happy boo boys, now we may have nothing next year. Pause, give yourselves all a big pat on the back and start having a go at Ian Dowie for not achieving promotion with Eastleigh. Bunch of know nothing arrogant **** who think they know best, think for one second, if you really did have a clue you’d be busy running a football club instead of commenting on Echo stories wouldn’t you?!?

Lone Ranger wrote:
I heard at about 11-30 last night that the Pinnacle takeover was unlikely to happen due to stand off with the FL Thats what i heard and dont know how true it is. But id Surman and Mcgoldrick are gone it looks ominous to me

Peter Strait wrote:

stoney79 wrote:
Right, I'm confused. Can somebody explain this to me. The holding company, SLH went into administration, the football team did not, so Mr Fry is only in charge of the holding company - trying to sell the football team (SFC) as a going concern. This is the basis of all the cr@p that has been chatted about how cruel the FL are, no? So we are all aware of this split, yes? So why do we think that Mr Fry has anything to do with selling the players? He can't make that decision, the team isn't in administration - it's just the evil FL trying to prove a point??? Or there truly is little to separate the Plc & the Ltd, Begbies are in charge of both, the 10 points should stand, all the cr@p chatted about the evil FA etc was just wrong and Pinnacle are just coming up with excuses. ‘Fans’ are just chatting sh1t again and staring trouble , like they did with Ian Branfoot, David Merrington, Stuart Gray, Paul Sturrock, Lowe, Wilde, etc etc etc. Look at Arsenal, Man U, even bloody Everton for fcuks sake – a football club needs consistency. It needs a long run under the same manager/board, but as soon as somebody has a poor start or a bit of a dip in form Saints fans turn against him and make their position untenable - so they quit and somebody else comes in and no consistency. It’s the fans blowing the in wind and not thinking about the future that **** Saints, not Lowe, not even Wilde, not anybody to blame but the fans demanding managers quit, the board quit, boycotting the SMS etc. Should have just stuck to shouting from the terraces, if you could do better you’d be running a football club, not just supporting one, and Saints would prob still be in the prem today….. I hope you are all happy boo boys, now we may have nothing next year. Pause, give yourselves all a big pat on the back and start having a go at Ian Dowie for not achieving promotion with Eastleigh. Bunch of know nothing arrogant **** who think they know best, think for one second, if you really did have a clue you’d be busy running a football club instead of commenting on Echo stories wouldn’t you?!?

You make some valid points but have completely missed several.

The Holding Company and the Football Team are two totally independent legal entities, one may own the other true, but the ten point deduction is similar to you being punished for actions of the people who employ you. Also the right to appeal is one of the pillars of British Law.

Saints fans pay to be on the terraces to watch “their” team and they are entitled to protest against poor value for money, which has been undeniable, and this can attributed to bad appointments of both players and managers.

Many, my self included have written their thoughts about the mismanagement of the Club, starting in back in 1996 when the weasel Askham pocketed the assets. This day was always going to arrive as the structure of the Club did not suit it`s size or business. So perhaps those of us who foresaw this situation should be running a Football Club.

You are right that shouting at the manager and the team did not help but as you point out we cannot have 20,000 Chairmen, but at least 19,000 would have done a better job than the one we had.

Finally I don`t blame Ian Dowie for not getting Eastleigh promoted, Ian Baird their manager on the other hand…

Peter Strait wrote:

stoney79 wrote:
Right, I'm confused. Can somebody explain this to me. The holding company, SLH went into administration, the football team did not, so Mr Fry is only in charge of the holding company - trying to sell the football team (SFC) as a going concern. This is the basis of all the cr@p that has been chatted about how cruel the FL are, no? So we are all aware of this split, yes? So why do we think that Mr Fry has anything to do with selling the players? He can't make that decision, the team isn't in administration - it's just the evil FL trying to prove a point??? Or there truly is little to separate the Plc & the Ltd, Begbies are in charge of both, the 10 points should stand, all the cr@p chatted about the evil FA etc was just wrong and Pinnacle are just coming up with excuses. ‘Fans’ are just chatting sh1t again and staring trouble , like they did with Ian Branfoot, David Merrington, Stuart Gray, Paul Sturrock, Lowe, Wilde, etc etc etc. Look at Arsenal, Man U, even bloody Everton for fcuks sake – a football club needs consistency. It needs a long run under the same manager/board, but as soon as somebody has a poor start or a bit of a dip in form Saints fans turn against him and make their position untenable - so they quit and somebody else comes in and no consistency. It’s the fans blowing the in wind and not thinking about the future that **** Saints, not Lowe, not even Wilde, not anybody to blame but the fans demanding managers quit, the board quit, boycotting the SMS etc. Should have just stuck to shouting from the terraces, if you could do better you’d be running a football club, not just supporting one, and Saints would prob still be in the prem today….. I hope you are all happy boo boys, now we may have nothing next year. Pause, give yourselves all a big pat on the back and start having a go at Ian Dowie for not achieving promotion with Eastleigh. Bunch of know nothing arrogant **** who think they know best, think for one second, if you really did have a clue you’d be busy running a football club instead of commenting on Echo stories wouldn’t you?!?

You make some valid points but have completely missed several.

The Holding Company and the Football Team are two totally independent legal entities, one may own the other true, but the ten point deduction is similar to you being punished for actions of the people who employ you. Also the right to appeal is one of the pillars of British Law.

Saints fans pay to be on the terraces to watch “their” team and they are entitled to protest against poor value for money, which has been undeniable, and this can attributed to bad appointments of both players and managers.

Many, my self included have written their thoughts about the mismanagement of the Club, starting in back in 1996 when the weasel Askham pocketed the assets. This day was always going to arrive as the structure of the Club did not suit it`s size or business. So perhaps those of us who foresaw this situation should be running a Football Club.

You are right that shouting at the manager and the team did not help but as you point out we cannot have 20,000 Chairmen, but at least 19,000 would have done a better job than the one we had.

Finally I don`t blame Ian Dowie for not getting Eastleigh promoted, Ian Baird their manager on the other hand…