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Defeat down to lack of belief, says Jan Poortvliet

6:04pm Saturday 25th October 2008

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Jan Poortvliet put his side’s 3-0 defeat at Swansea down to a lack of belief in the final third.

Saints never really threatened to get a goal at the Liberty Stadium and have now failed to register in their last three games.

With Saints in the Championship’s bottom three it is now a crucial game against Coventry at St Mary’s on Tuesday night.

He said: “There was no power.

“I had the feeling sometimes we played OK but the end product was not there.

“They made it 1-0 and until that time there had been nothing wrong.

“After that I think they didn’t do anything special in the box and we looked like we could get a couple of possibilities but we were not there to put them in.

“Second half we had the second goal against us and you see we play but there was no belief in scoring, no belief in a better result.”

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Paul TS, Swanwick says...
6:11pm Sat 25 Oct 08

He said 'There was no power'!! Umhh Did'nt we just loan out our top scorer from last season?!

couzzy, southampton says...
6:18pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Will you shut the f### up with your pathetic excuses because every time we lose i am hearing the same excuse but not so cunningly disguised in a different guise. I actually used to admire your honesty but no doubt your puppet master has had a word in your ear about such rudeness. Both you and lowe , in fact the whole club are beneath contempt at the minute and the sooner someone with a bit of nous comes in and takes over the sooner people will return in their droves . Until then keep your repetitive trap shut and do what youre paid to do.If the team are suffering frm a lack of belief just who the hell's fault is that? youre the manager your crying out loud its your job, stop blaming them!!!!!

UTS, says...
6:19pm Sat 25 Oct 08

"Basic" football tactics are not even being delivered.

Just resign and take Lowelife and Judas with you.


Saint, says...
6:22pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Sorry Jan I have no belief in you!

You are suppose to put the belief into them. Inspire them for crying out loud. Really fed up with your excuses now. You and Lowe say they are good enough, and the obvious thing is that all at once in this league is not strong enough.

Lowe please go! Jan nice guy, but no thank you! Wilde you should be ashamed of yourself!

Shazza (the genuine article, not an imposter), says...
6:57pm Sat 25 Oct 08

I would suggest that the defeat was down to lack of experience and quality on the pitch and off of it.

Saints Mike, Southampton says...
7:27pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Here we go again, Rupert & Wildes puppet from Holland doing what he usally does, blame hard luck, (his quote) we had done nothing wrong until we let in a goal, if you can't score in brothel then letting one in is something wrong in my book. Excuses Excuses Excuses. Time to throw in trowel go back to Holland take Lowe & Wilde Wotte with you and the 4 of you stop destroying my beloved football club alone.If Dave Merrington is seriuos then it's time to come in and save our club. This lot wont stop until we are dead & buried in division one

Saints Mike, Southampton says...
7:31pm Sat 25 Oct 08

My English is rubbish but it's not as bad Jan's football coaching skills

bazza, southampton says...
7:33pm Sat 25 Oct 08

After hearing jans interview after playing Watford who in there right mind would really believe we are moving forward.We then let Our top striker go out on loan one day before playing Swansea.No strikers means no goals.The guy is out of his depth.If his wages was a problem surely the loss of another couple of thousand fans would have paid that.Fans have a right to know what the hell is going on.More fans will not show because of this.Paying 20 to 30 pound a game to watch Saints youth team is just a joke.We are getting blamed for Mr Lowe.I have been a very keen fan since the early 70's and had many season tickets.I am no longer going as just cant take the so called football thats currently being played.The whole board is to blame.We get into Europe via the fa cup and then sell all our players.Sense yes?????.Remember him paying huge money on a rugby coach.I bet he was paid an average wage of 20000 ah i dont think.waste of club money ah.We need a ex Saint as a manager who has the club at heart and not his pocket.Dowie is one that could do no worse then what we currently have.At least he would get the respect.Lowe has to go.If not i fear that this could be saints last season ever playing football.

Lowes Nemisis, Southampton says...
7:38pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Same old same old.....it's becoming boring and a little annoying now Jan.
Time to change tactics and pick your own team!

Cornish Saint, Saltash says...
8:05pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Totally agree with Bazza

Why did Lowe not give Strachan a name your price, name your deal contract previous to the '93 cup final? We would never have been in this state if he had (as mentioned in Strachan's autobigraphy). If he knows business (Lowe) then he is as useless as Gordon Brown but no doubt sitting just as pretty!

Redhat, Southampton says...
8:38pm Sat 25 Oct 08

We are in deep trouble... loaning out Stern was a MASSIVE mistake... we are not gonna survive this season going on like this..
LOWE and WILDE are taking our club to the cleaners and us supporters need to start doing something before we are down the pan!!

BARRY BITTERNE, southampton says...
9:01pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Mr Lowe was boasting at the beginning of the season as to how he had aquired a new manager + assistant for a combined salary which was less than Nigel Pearsons salary.As we are now,due to poor results ,losing about £15000 pound per 1000 supporters not going to matches I somehow think that Mr lowe has been shot down in flames over such a ridiculous statement

Finlay, Des Moines Iowa says...
9:01pm Sat 25 Oct 08

0 - 3! Holy f***!

Sits Vac
Wanted

One manager for a once great team. Must have at least some knowledge about football however miniscule, it will be an enhancement on what we have now. The job is in a quiet downtown stadium attended by a few passers by on some Saturdays

Must have the ability to make the players 'believe' eventhough we have yet to identify what Southampton FC has to 'believe' in.

Trained mediums, white witches and heritics welcome with a Hogwarts Wizards Certificate so as to bring some magic back.

Apply in your best joined up writing to Rupert Lowe. Southampton FC, St Marys. Please dont use words that do our 'eads in or have too many letters in cos we dunno what they mean.

owen_thesaints, The forgotten side of the City says...
9:02pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Shazza (the genuine article, not an imposter) wrote:
I would suggest that the defeat was down to lack of experience and quality on the pitch and off of it.
Post of the day, there's nothing more to say or add except...

LOWE OUT!

Reality-man, Southampton says...
9:20pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Only a few remaining lifeboats, Jump NOW - we're sinking fast, Sterns seen the light - Have you? I did try warning you all!!

TottonScrutineer, Totton says...
9:35pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Words fail me. I've always tried to put a positive comments and call for support of Jan and the team but I have to say.If a team lacks belief the buck stops with managment team.We can hardly say that Jans comments have been inspirational.We all know he's working under a difficult situation.But surely he can see that these lads however much the try and try they do are JUST NOT GELLING AS A TEAM and maybe because they not as yet good enough.One might say that the future looks even more bleak with a reserve side that can't win ,a first team that struggles and a pair of chairmen in the guise of the ever increasingly anonymous Mike Wilde and the phantom like Rupert Lowe who are both conspicuosly silent and invisible.
I fear that Ted Bates would turn in his grave as he sees the club he worked so hard to put not only on the map but into what turned out to be the premiership go back to what in effect is the league where it all started Div 1 then Div 3. This is where I came in as an 11 year old boy back in 1955 and I just hope that someone at the club grasps the situation.Rupert I believe YOU'VE GOT IT WRONG and I will the first to apologise if all goes well.We know you have good intentions but they are not working.

Optimist, Soton says...
10:04pm Sat 25 Oct 08

I think Stern going is a gamble that there will be 3 teams worse than us this season. By now it looks risky, this suggests that money is really tight and an accounts review has given some very bleak scenarios financially if we were to keep the "top earners".
Jan really has it all to do as he is stuck with one of the smallest budgets in the league. Administration is a real possibility if current trends continue, that means losing everything and (at best) renting it back, anyone remember what happened to Brighton? It can happen.
I expect to see a slight change in the formation now. Defensive midfielders need to watch each other an the flanks to provide quick and effective cover, overcommiting can cause problems. We can play well but really need to focus on the moment. Concentrate on what is happening, not what has or might.
Coventry must smell blood in the water, don't let them get their teeth in Saints.
COYR!

Chris1991, Marchwood says...
10:07pm Sat 25 Oct 08

So you want to get rid of Jan? No doubt he's struggling but if he goes, he goes with a pay off. If we can afford to keep Stern, we can't afford to get rid of Jan.

Besides, who are we going to get? You don't get new managers coming in who don't want to change the set up. They all want to ship out and bring new blood in. THEY ALL WANT TO SPEND MONEY. Well we haven't got any money to spend.

So the answer is not to get rid of Jan. Jan must be helped to make things better. We all know its not going to be easy but lets start by taking the pressure off him. No one works effectively under extreme pressure. No one works well when everyone is on your back. No one works well when you're undermined.

Lets not hang him out to dry. Too many people are waiting to see him fail so that they can smugly say "I told you so". Well that's not really going to help us get out of the situation we're in. In fact it will probably make it worse.

It's too easy to blame Rupert and Co for our woes. But all the negative feelings and atmosphere that has been generated has only resulted in the team ending up in the bottom three. All that negativity has got us no where and unless it changes we will go down. Not only that, if we go down, we will still have Rupert because no one is going to come in and buy him out. Who really wants to invest in a lower league club, especially in the current financial climate?

If you really want to get rid of the current bunch in charge, you need to have a sucessful club, or at least a potentially successful club. That's the only way we are likely to get the investment we need.

They best way we can help is to stand by the team and give them our support. If we can keep our spirits up it will rub off on the players and they will start winning. If we can become positive, we will have a chance. If we show the way, the team will follow.

And everyone will know who was responsible. And everyone will know it wasn't Rupert.


TottonScrutineer, Totton says...
10:18pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Chris1991 wrote:
So you want to get rid of Jan? No doubt he's struggling but if he goes, he goes with a pay off. If we can afford to keep Stern, we can't afford to get rid of Jan. Besides, who are we going to get? You don't get new managers coming in who don't want to change the set up. They all want to ship out and bring new blood in. THEY ALL WANT TO SPEND MONEY. Well we haven't got any money to spend. So the answer is not to get rid of Jan. Jan must be helped to make things better. We all know its not going to be easy but lets start by taking the pressure off him. No one works effectively under extreme pressure. No one works well when everyone is on your back. No one works well when you're undermined. Lets not hang him out to dry. Too many people are waiting to see him fail so that they can smugly say "I told you so". Well that's not really going to help us get out of the situation we're in. In fact it will probably make it worse. It's too easy to blame Rupert and Co for our woes. But all the negative feelings and atmosphere that has been generated has only resulted in the team ending up in the bottom three. All that negativity has got us no where and unless it changes we will go down. Not only that, if we go down, we will still have Rupert because no one is going to come in and buy him out. Who really wants to invest in a lower league club, especially in the current financial climate? If you really want to get rid of the current bunch in charge, you need to have a sucessful club, or at least a potentially successful club. That's the only way we are likely to get the investment we need. They best way we can help is to stand by the team and give them our support. If we can keep our spirits up it will rub off on the players and they will start winning. If we can become positive, we will have a chance. If we show the way, the team will follow. And everyone will know who was responsible. And everyone will know it wasn't Rupert.
Thanks for this comment. I just feel we are going nowhere and fast but this a more positive outlook.Having said that there although it seems realistic it does smack of the Neville Chamberlin approach "everything is going to be fine "in the same year World War Two broke out

F Fan, Winchester says...
11:10pm Sat 25 Oct 08

The cruel truth is summed up in two words despite all the understandable bitter anger – fair-weather fans. It’s easy to follow a successful club. When the going gets tough, that’s the measure of a true fan.

You think its bad now? Try relegation because you stay away and starve the team of funds. Try administration - loose points now and guarantee relegation = all the decent young players leave and we get third division old lags. Plus of course a points deduction at the start of next season in division three = stay there for years, possibly even down to division four. Administration does not mean Lowe and Wilde go. They could buy the club back for £1 if the take on the debt – remember Bates and Leeds (still in Div 3); and Brighton.

It’s easy to let emotions overcome common sense. Lowe has indeed been a disgrace for a long time. But so are the stayaway fans – the enemy within. A toxic combination of Lowe and angry disillusioned fans can do untold harm for decades. We must keep our heads.

US Spitfire, Idaho USA says...
11:37pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Chris 1991 wrote:
"It's too easy to blame Rupert and Co for our woes. But all the negative feelings and atmosphere that has been generated has only resulted in the team ending up in the bottom three. "

So let's get this straight. It's not Rupert Lowe and Mike Wildes financial greed that's at fault, it's not a tactically inept manager that's at fault,and it's not players that aren't good enough to perform at this levels fault.
The reason the club are in a relegation spot and heading for division 3 is the fault of the long suffering fans who have finally had enough of spending thousands of pounds on following the club while no one within the club seems to care that they are heading for oblivion!!!!
I've heard about looking at life through rose tinted spectacles but this really does take the boscuit!!!!

Rudd Gillett, Saffhampton says...
2:51am Sun 26 Oct 08

ha ha redknapp, true to his word

Rudd Gillett, Saffhampton says...
6:47am Sun 26 Oct 08

It's Lowe's fault no one else. Everything that is rotten about are "once" great club falls at RL's feet. The shame about this all is he has caused so much damage that it will take years to repair!

Bright Spark, Stubbington says...
7:17am Sun 26 Oct 08

Redknapp's gone, any chance Jan might apply for the vacancy (and take Rupert with him) ... dream on eh? Mind you with their CV's who else would employ them?

Saint_John, Bassett says...
8:44am Sun 26 Oct 08

As I posted on here on Friday (Stern article) it is no use moaning on here it will get you nowhere. The 2 things that might make a difference are :-

(1) If you read ITN page 230-231 it shows that in 1993 that the moaning and demos at the Dell not no effect. The board issued a statement in August; there was a big demo for Sky TV in Oct etc. but it GOT NOWHERE.

Come the 8th Dec and only 9028 turned up for the Ipswich game followed by a 11k (2k away fans) for the QPR game 3 days later and Lawrie was back in within a couple of days. There was a change of manager soon afterwards.

The only thing they are interested in is money, if you “turn off the tap” they will start to listen to the fans (the TRUE owners of Saints not the Shareholders).

(2) A second thing to do is to write to Barclays Bank at Reading (address in the accounts) telling them that attendance figures are down by 26% because of Lowe, and if they want to see any return on the overdraft then THEY NEED TO TELL LOWE TO GO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

Remember most clubs are put into Admin by the Tax Office, the Bank will be like everyone else in that an overdraft is not secured. They will try anything rather than put us into Admin.
It is only having Football people at board level that will see the return of the FOOTBALL FANS and that will NOT happen until the DoF is gone.

LOWE OUT


St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
9:32am Sun 26 Oct 08

I'll stay away from SMS - my choice. I'm a customer - I don't like the product being produced so I don't buy it.

Who can change the product?

Rupert Lowe - and his changes I have stomached for too many years!

Martin Orford, Bishops Waltham says...
9:58am Sun 26 Oct 08

There's a logical thing to do here.
If Southampton FC were a horse, the kindest thing to do would be to shoot it, and the sooner it dies the better for all concerned. What we have now bears no resemblance whatsoever to the friendly family club we once supported; it's just a cold and clinical PLC run by accountants, and not very good accountants at that.

Meanwhile, just up the road, Eastleigh FC are in financial trouble. They have a nice little ground, decent non-league status, and if ever a club had potential to be developed into the "new" Saints this is it. So how about not only boycotting SMS, but transferring support to Eastleigh instead. It's a ready-made new club for us all.

lumpy73, swansea says...
10:38am Sun 26 Oct 08

lets put this into perspective! Swansea were actually a better team! More possession, more shots on goal, better players! Okay, so I have some sympathy for the saints fans but every now and again, whether you are top of the league (as wolves were when swans beat then 3-1) or down the bottom like saints, sometimes you have to accept that your team is second best! I wish you luck for the rest of the season, but give swansea some credit! poor teams dont find themselves 7th in table having not lost a game at home all season!!

tricky19791, Ringwood says...
10:43am Sun 26 Oct 08

"Lack of belief". lack of management more like. You are totally clueless Jan and way out of your depth. You had a Powerfull striker in Stern John but your boss loanned him out. Why? You should of stopped that happening but as we all know you're not in charge and you don't pick the team now do you! Rupert Lowe will never sack his poodle, he simply praises him, Gives him treats even if he has made a mess. If he does get the sack the problem is still at the club, It lies in the boardroom. The lack of confidance comes from the top and it is having a detrimentle effect on the team. So there where the problem lies. It need to be sorted out before it is to late and we still have a chance of getting out of the relegation zone. On a brighter note Harry dump the skates last night and now in the market for a new boss. Go on Dowie, Take up that job and hopefully do to Portsmouth what Harry done to us and get them relegated. 'Please'.

the third hardest man in sholing, southampton says...
11:00am Sun 26 Oct 08

the club is going down faster than a chocolate muffin.....LOWE OUT AND TAKE YOUR DUTCHBOYFRIENDS WITH YOU!..... thanks denzil.

ssherbie28, romsey says...
11:02am Sun 26 Oct 08

I WAS AT THE GAME AND IM SORRY TO SAY, I NEARLY LEFT AFTER THE 3RD GOAL.
BUT I MANAGED TO HOLD OUT TO THE BITTER END WITH 99% OF THE 1000 OR SO SAINTS FANS .I ALWAYS TRY TO SEE A POSITIVE IN OUR PLAY BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THERE AT SWANSEA YEATERDAY.WE ARE JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO YOUNG AND TO WEAK. BRADLEY WRIGHT PHILLIPS HIS WHOLE BODY LANGUAGE WAS OF A MAN WHO DIDNT GIVE A TOSS AND THAT ONE OF OUR OLDER PLAYERS .IM SORRY BUT THAT WAS HOW IT WAS. IM LOSING MY FAITH WEEK BY WEEK

Lehman Bros Banker, Docklands says...
11:59am Sun 26 Oct 08

Dear Rupert,

You are obviously not the sharpest tool in the box. The trouble is you have just loaned out a twenty plus goals a season striker who is!!!!

Take a good hard look at the league table this morning. That's the price we pay for the inexperience of youth and your profanity.

Nurse,it's time again for Mr Lowe's medication!

Jesus_02, Freemantle says...
12:04pm Sun 26 Oct 08

My son is only 10months old I want to have the pleasure of taking him to the match.

A middle ground must be found by fans that wish to protest.

There are those that wish to boycott games and those that want to support the players no matter what.

Both sets of fans who are united in there displeasure at Lowes miss management/tactics. Should at least remain in the concourse for the first 10 minutes of the next home game (regardless of what is happening on the pitch.)


Let our voices echo in at foundations of the club.

For those that have children. (The vast majority that still attend (round me at least)) they must be told that the protest is for the preservation of a club that has represented the community to which their parents and grandparents have belonged, and which their children will someday want to be part off.


Kdog, St. Marys says...
1:44pm Sun 26 Oct 08

I am one of the loyal fans that have decided, in protest to Lowes involvement with SFC, not to attend matches or spend any money with the club until he and Wilde resign.

I had a season ticket for 25 years but cannot stomach anymore of Lowes incompetance. There is a difference between running a business and making football decisions. Lowe has failed over a period of a decade to show he is nothing more than a accountant in a suit.

Bring back a steady eddie like Keith Wiseman so the fans can unite again behind the club and attend matches to support our local side.

If you are, or plan to boycott future games at the club for the above reason, please drop me an email at loweout@hotmail.co.u k Please just state the number of adults or children which would normally be part of you group attending SMS, who are now boycotting in protest.

I plan to use this as a demonstration to the board and shareholders on how Lowe/Wildes involvment is financially damaging the club.

loweout@hotmail.co.u
k

saint_or_sinner, Hedge End says...
1:51pm Sun 26 Oct 08

I have been reading the various posts on the site regarding the Saints, Rupert Lowe and trying to make sense of it all. The conclusion I have come to is that in all fields of human activity there will always be a few die hards (fanatics, call them what you will) who will follow the cause no matter what happens. The majority will then behave like customers. They may have varying degrees of loyalty but if they are insulted on a regular enough basis, they will eventually withdraw their support. In my view, the actions of the club board, in particular Rupert Lowe over a long period of time has insulted the customer base. Examples include not backing a manager with funds when things going well (as alluded to in Strachan's autobiography), appointing inexperienced managers, appointing people from outside the core business (i.e. Rugby) on high salaries, loaning out our only experienced striker, behaving in a general arrogant manner towards the fan base -- I could go on forever. I see a growing trend of people becoming disaffected and who can blame them. I am convinced that the club can only move forward from a supporters point of view if Mr Lowe and his allegedly indecisive side kick, Mr Wilde leave the club. The support of the fanatics alone will not be sufficient to fill the ground. I for one will not set foot in St Mary's Stadium until this happens. For those of you that claim that Rupert Lowe is a good businessman, my answer would be that although he may be an accountant, he is NOT a good businessman. A good businessman will take great care to understand the industry he is operating in and he will bring in experts to help him if his knowldege is lacking. A good businessmen does not constantly indulge in ill founded experiments with the core business. Cue hoots of derision from the fanatics.

icehorsestud, Burridge says...
2:03pm Sun 26 Oct 08

Question: What do you do when you are unable to score goals. Answer: Get rid of the one guy that has the ability and track record, then and this is the really clever bit - we play the left footed player on the right and the right footed player on the left!
How does that work?

lowe and behold, southampton says...
2:24pm Sun 26 Oct 08

IF THE POOR PEOPLE OF IRAQ HAD IT BAD UNDER THAT EVIL DICTATOR SADDAM
THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD COUNT THERE BLESSINGS THEY DIDNT HAVE RUPERT LOWE AT THE HELM! EVIL DICTATOR SHOULD BE TRIED FOR FRAUD AGAINST SFC AND THERE FANS...
UP THERE WITH THE HITLERS SADDAMS MUGABE ETC........ ROSE CHEEK'D SMUG PR**K

Saints No 1 Fan, New Forest says...
3:11pm Sun 26 Oct 08

I totally agree with the previous comment. Lowe will not be happy until he has ruined this club. It pains me to say this but after this season my season ticket will not be renewed, even if we finish in mid table.

I am fed up with duck shooter Lowe and his lap dog ruining this club. Something needs to be done and something needs to be done fast. Maybe we could set up a petition or something??? any ideas.

This is totally unacceptable, and it feels like ripping my heart out and stamping on it every time I go to a saints match. I cant stand it any more. I like most other people feel physically sick when saints loose to the likes of Swansea and Blackpool (no offence meant).

RIP SFC

St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
3:29pm Sun 26 Oct 08

Why don't The Echo set up a meeting for the fans & Mr. Lowe and Mr. Wilde to debate this whole sorry situation in public?

The publicity would be great for selling papers - but how many of the lager swilling, lunatic fringe know how to debate without throwing the first punch?

I would be labelled one of the LSLF having chosen the Itchen North as my place of solace, I'm of the right age group (50ish) - but I hold down a senior managers position in a profitable company.

Come on The Echo back the community start putting pressure on the dynamic duo to meet their customers!

Lehman Bros Banker, Docklands says...
4:27pm Sun 26 Oct 08

Dear Rupert,

Truth or rumour, please confirm the Southampton Back 4 are forming a new boy band called Goals Allowed.

US Spitfire, Idaho USA says...
4:34pm Sun 26 Oct 08

Martin Orford wrote:
There's a logical thing to do here. If Southampton FC were a horse, the kindest thing to do would be to shoot it, and the sooner it dies the better for all concerned. What we have now bears no resemblance whatsoever to the friendly family club we once supported; it's just a cold and clinical PLC run by accountants, and not very good accountants at that. Meanwhile, just up the road, Eastleigh FC are in financial trouble. They have a nice little ground, decent non-league status, and if ever a club had potential to be developed into the That's the best suggestion i've seen on here for ages.

SUPPORT THE MIGHTY MIGHTY SPITFIRES - YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE :-)

F Fan, Winchester says...
5:05pm Sun 26 Oct 08

saint_or_sinner wrote:
I have been reading the various posts on the site regarding the Saints, Rupert Lowe and trying to make sense of it all. The conclusion I have come to is that in all fields of human activity there will always be a few die hards (fanatics, call them what you will) who will follow the cause no matter what happens. The majority will then behave like customers. They may have varying degrees of loyalty but if they are insulted on a regular enough basis, they will eventually withdraw their support. In my view, the actions of the club board, in particular Rupert Lowe over a long period of time has insulted the customer base. Examples include not backing a manager with funds when things going well (as alluded to in Strachan's autobiography), appointing inexperienced managers, appointing people from outside the core business (i.e. Rugby) on high salaries, loaning out our only experienced striker, behaving in a general arrogant manner towards the fan base -- I could go on forever. I see a growing trend of people becoming disaffected and who can blame them. I am convinced that the club can only move forward from a supporters point of view if Mr Lowe and his allegedly indecisive side kick, Mr Wilde leave the club. The support of the fanatics alone will not be sufficient to fill the ground. I for one will not set foot in St Mary's Stadium until this happens. For those of you that claim that Rupert Lowe is a good businessman, my answer would be that although he may be an accountant, he is NOT a good businessman. A good businessman will take great care to understand the industry he is operating in and he will bring in experts to help him if his knowldege is lacking. A good businessmen does not constantly indulge in ill founded experiments with the core business. Cue hoots of derision from the fanatics.
I can’t recall a single person on this site that has claimed Lowe is a “good businessman” or that he is good for the club. And of course it is absolutely fine for the “customers” to keep their money and not pay to support the club. Just stop kidding yourself and us “fanatics” that what you are doing is helping the club – it is killing it every bit as much as Lowe has over the years.

The argument is not at all about pro or anti Lowe – don’t know any body who supports him. No, the real argument is whether to support the team or stay away and starve it of the money it desperately needs to survive in this division. By and large, Southampton will get the club it deserves at a level it deserves as measured by the size of the crowd. At the moment we may be heading for the third division with third division crowds. Last year the stayaways left it until the last game to turn up and support the team. This year that may be far too late.

St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
6:30pm Sun 26 Oct 08

Yes but if Lowe goes the club will benefit from substantial financial gains...providing those "lost" haven't found something better to do!

It's not about what league you play in, it's not how good your manager is, it's not jus selling your best players - being a member of a club is all about belief of something better around the corner or a chance of that.

We have seen year after year with Lowe - the cheap option...no chance of anything progressing, no future, no chance of promotion. We don't expect or demand success - we just want a chance of glory again.

No way forward with Lowe & Co...in the immortal words of John Lydon "No future, No future, no future for you" God Save The Queen" circa when we had a club to be proud of!

lordshill loyal, southampton says...
7:35pm Sun 26 Oct 08

we deserve it.when the lowelife came back we done nothing.we believed in the spin that was spewing out of the club.now look at us a bloody laughing stock.nothing is gonna happen on tuesday and you all know it.lowe aint going nowhere cos this time there aint a knight in shining armour to save us or the club.forever loyal

saint_or_sinner, Hedge End says...
8:38pm Sun 26 Oct 08

F Fan wrote:
saint_or_sinner wrote: I have been reading the various posts on the site regarding the Saints, Rupert Lowe and trying to make sense of it all. The conclusion I have come to is that in all fields of human activity there will always be a few die hards (fanatics, call them what you will) who will follow the cause no matter what happens. The majority will then behave like customers. They may have varying degrees of loyalty but if they are insulted on a regular enough basis, they will eventually withdraw their support. In my view, the actions of the club board, in particular Rupert Lowe over a long period of time has insulted the customer base. Examples include not backing a manager with funds when things going well (as alluded to in Strachan's autobiography), appointing inexperienced managers, appointing people from outside the core business (i.e. Rugby) on high salaries, loaning out our only experienced striker, behaving in a general arrogant manner towards the fan base -- I could go on forever. I see a growing trend of people becoming disaffected and who can blame them. I am convinced that the club can only move forward from a supporters point of view if Mr Lowe and his allegedly indecisive side kick, Mr Wilde leave the club. The support of the fanatics alone will not be sufficient to fill the ground. I for one will not set foot in St Mary's Stadium until this happens. For those of you that claim that Rupert Lowe is a good businessman, my answer would be that although he may be an accountant, he is NOT a good businessman. A good businessman will take great care to understand the industry he is operating in and he will bring in experts to help him if his knowldege is lacking. A good businessmen does not constantly indulge in ill founded experiments with the core business. Cue hoots of derision from the fanatics.
I can’t recall a single person on this site that has claimed Lowe is a “good businessman” or that he is good for the club. And of course it is absolutely fine for the “customers” to keep their money and not pay to support the club. Just stop kidding yourself and us “fanatics” that what you are doing is helping the club – it is killing it every bit as much as Lowe has over the years. The argument is not at all about pro or anti Lowe – don’t know any body who supports him. No, the real argument is whether to support the team or stay away and starve it of the money it desperately needs to survive in this division. By and large, Southampton will get the club it deserves at a level it deserves as measured by the size of the crowd. At the moment we may be heading for the third division with third division crowds. Last year the stayaways left it until the last game to turn up and support the team. This year that may be far too late.
F Fan - interesting how you start your posts with "I can't recall a single person" - there were a few people praising Mr Lowe's business skills on this site in the early days - believe me. I admire your determination to support the Saints unconditionally but for many people, there is more to life than blindly supporting a Football Club and everyone has their level of tolerance. The factor that determines whether or not Southampton gets the club it deserves is the judgement, skill and supporter empathy shown by the management team. Good businesses have good leaders - it's as simple as that. To suggest that fans who stay away and hence 'starve the club of money' are the root cause of the problem is naieve and illogical particularly in the current financial climate. I'd be happy to be proven wrong and to find that unlike 'stayaways' such as myself, there will be a large number of people willing to plow their hard earned cash into Southampton FC resulting in a large crowd for the Coventry game. If that happens, I will accept that my analysis might be wrong.

Kdog, St. Marys says...
10:45pm Sun 26 Oct 08

I am one of the loyal fans that have decided, in protest to Lowes unwelcome involvement with SFC, not to attend matches or spend any money with the club until he and Wilde resign.

I had a season ticket for 25 years but cannot stomach anymore of Lowes incompetence. There is a difference between running a business and making football decisions. Lowe has failed over a period of a decade to show he is nothing more than a accountant in a suit.

Even if investment is not forcoming, it is my opinion that we need to bring back someone like Keith Wiseman as chairman, so the fans can unite again behind the club and attend matches to support our local side.

If you are, or plan to boycott future games at the club for the above reason, please drop me an email at loweout@hotmail.co.u
k

Please just state the number of adults or children which would normally be part of you group attending SMS, who are now boycotting in protest.

I plan to use this petiton document as a demonstration to the board and shareholders or the bank on how Lowe/Wildes involvment is financially damaging the club. I also believe we need to protest outside the stadium before and after games, similar to the Branfoot era.

loweout@hotmail.co.u
k

bigboybarry, southampton says...
3:10pm Mon 27 Oct 08

clubs cannot exist without support all absent fans are making the club go bust , then you blame the board, all chairman are the same ashley,guydamak,dein
,abramovich there all mad,im afraid the only way people who can save this club is by filling the stadium STAND UP IF YOU LOVE THE SAINTS AND STOP BEING SNOBS !!!!!!

St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
7:39pm Mon 27 Oct 08

BIGGY...don't make me laugh!

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