More St Mary's woe for Saints (From This is Hampshire)

"Lets Do It For The Fans" - Jan Poortvliet

LOWE & WILDE OUT

dear jan, will you please call woopert and demand that we get some exsperianced centre halves immediatly if not the future looks very sad. also start playing two upfront

I SUPPOSE KATE FROM ANDOVER WILL STILL SAY WE PLAYED WELL BUT THEN SHE PRPABLY STILL BELEIVES IN SANTA CLAUS . WE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT OR DESERVE TO BE IN THE TOP HALF OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND GOD HELP US IN THE CUP DRAW (HOME TO A NON LEAGUE SIDE IS NO GUARANTEE OF VICTORY

Where have all the superfans gone?!

Kate of Andover

Del of horlbury

Sorry guys but we are **** and in massive trouble.

At this rate we are going down. It hurts me to say it but WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH ABOUT US TO KEEP US UP.

It gives me no pleaure but we are gone.

Well done Rupert Lowe!!!! We will save a few grand this year. A saving in the short run but when we go down AGAIN we will lose out in the long run. Hoped you would learn this second time around, but obviously NO!!!

I would say we are doing a "Leeds" but we were never that big.

WHAT A LOAD OF ****

Oh luck my security word is "**** club"

I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance.
Well done saints to-night

David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance. Well done saints to-night

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David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance. Well done saints to-night

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David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance.
Well done saints to-night

Jog on David Crook

We were poor at best.

Admit it, Rupert Lowe is sending us down AGAIN! I know you love the guy and think he is our saviour, but unfortunately you are wrong.

Your blinkered view isn't welcome here.

We are down.

ha ha, what happened to the 'we have a few more like that and we'll be mid table' drivel you were all spouting last week.
The jinx of playing in front of the TV cameras, playing full stop more like.
All good players will be wanting to get out in January, can't be good getting humiliated just about every week.
Your sappy players were like they'd won the FA Cup, and your fans reacted likewise last week, not that you'd know what that was like. And Jan was the Man!
Anyway, look on the bright side, you'll be having regular local rivalry in a couple of seasons, with Eastleigh.

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UTS wrote:
"Lets Do It For The Fans" - Jan Poortvliet LOWE & WILDE OUT

AT THIS RATE IT WILL
LETS DO IT FOR THE FAN

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote:
ha ha, what happened to the 'we have a few more like that and we'll be mid table' drivel you were all spouting last week.
The jinx of playing in front of the TV cameras, playing full stop more like.
All good players will be wanting to get out in January, can't be good getting humiliated just about every week.
Your sappy players were like they'd won the FA Cup, and your fans reacted likewise last week, not that you'd know what that was like. And Jan was the Man!
Anyway, look on the bright side, you'll be having regular local rivalry in a couple of seasons, with Eastleigh.

Jog on.

You are as skint as we are if not worse.

Where's your 'arry gone?

Where's your Jordan gone?

Where's your Coles going?

You are in no place to laugh at us!!!

How is your wage to revenue ratio??

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Well eigth in the PREMIER LEAGUE is a pretty good position to laugh at you. Believe me I am laughing, Arry went on to a massive club and will probably do well, like Strachen. He has of course left a decent team behind, but then so did Strachen.
Wage to revenue ratio, unless saints are paying their players p-nuts, or with their navigation skills, more likely donuts, then we're probably doing better than you in that department.

Unfortunately that is it for me. It is not that we are in the championship it is because I can no longer afford/justify spending £27 to take me and my boy. L*** needs to start lowering prices for admission now, and I don't care about season ticket holders complaining about cheaper prices. When I go to Marks and Spencers and buy a suit for £200 when there is plenty of money around then so be it, if after a couple of months there is not so much money around and Marks and Spencers sell the said same suit for £100 then fair play to them. Do I then complain and say " Wah, I paid £200 for that suit, you can't sell it for £100, they will tell me to poke off. It is called market forces and we are in a recession FACT, people haven't got much spare cash FACT. Reduce the prices now.

Despair is such a strong word given the current climate and going ons of this world but saints and football in general was an escape from that and even when we lost it didnt matter because we had pride and a bit of fight about us. Back in the day the likes of widdrington, maddison, heaney and shipperleys of this world werent the greatest players the club has ever seen but god they gave everything to this club when they crossed that white line, how many of the current crop care like those guys did? I feel like ive lost my love for this club , the internal politics have reuduced this club to a public schoolfight and i dont see or hear any leadership from the top of the club to the bottom. We are a club in DEEP DEEP DEEP trouble and as i sit here it seems that not one person at that club cares.

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote:
Well eigth in the PREMIER LEAGUE is a pretty good position to laugh at you. Believe me I am laughing, Arry went on to a massive club and will probably do well, like Strachen. He has of course left a decent team behind, but then so did Strachen.
Wage to revenue ratio, unless saints are paying their players p-nuts, or with their navigation skills, more likely donuts, then we're probably doing better than you in that department.

Sorry son but if you can't take your head out of the sand long enough to realise that P~mpey are in a big black hole of debt and on the verge, then you are deluding yourslef.

We know (most of us) how **** our club is.

When will you realise that you are on the slippery slope?

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote:
Well eigth in the PREMIER LEAGUE is a pretty good position to laugh at you. Believe me I am laughing, Arry went on to a massive club and will probably do well, like Strachen. He has of course left a decent team behind, but then so did Strachen. Wage to revenue ratio, unless saints are paying their players p-nuts, or with their navigation skills, more likely donuts, then we're probably doing better than you in that department.

HOWS THAT NEW STADIUM COMING ALONG
MONEYBAGS

couzzy wrote:
Despair is such a strong word given the current climate and going ons of this world but saints and football in general was an escape from that and even when we lost it didnt matter because we had pride and a bit of fight about us. Back in the day the likes of widdrington, maddison, heaney and shipperleys of this world werent the greatest players the club has ever seen but god they gave everything to this club when they crossed that white line, how many of the current crop care like those guys did? I feel like ive lost my love for this club , the internal politics have reuduced this club to a public schoolfight and i dont see or hear any leadership from the top of the club to the bottom. We are a club in DEEP DEEP DEEP trouble and as i sit here it seems that not one person at that club cares.

Great post, include the Kebab man (Franny for all you younger fans) for players who weren't that great but would bleed red and white. I don't believe that our youngsters don't care about Saints it's that they are being asked to do a job too soon and are just not up to the task. I was ther tonight and Bristol City were an average Championship team, but they all knew what they wre doing and did it well. Sorry for posting a lot tonight and I always try to be as positive as possible, but I am not Kate of Andover who is blind to the faith no matter what cr*p our boys turn out. A deeply hurting Saints fan

Shazza, our debts not too bad, we'll survive. I have to say you really don't know how crap your side are, otherwise you'd be off the Itchen Bridge like a Lemming.
I know our teams not amazing, you know there's only a few England players, snigger snigger.
The new stadium? Well there's a prime bit of real estate coming up in St Mary's, maybe we'll buy that and sell it for a profit when saints are playing on a playing field.

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote:
Shazza, our debts not too bad, we'll survive. I have to say you really don't know how crap your side are, otherwise you'd be off the Itchen Bridge like a Lemming.
I know our teams not amazing, you know there's only a few England players, snigger snigger.
The new stadium? Well there's a prime bit of real estate coming up in St Mary's, maybe we'll buy that and sell it for a profit when saints are playing on a playing field.

My point is that I know how crap my side is.

You can't seem to appreciate that you are also in the crap, money wise. You seem to have had a bit of glory, but at what cost fish boy??

Shazza (the genuine article, not an imposter) wrote:

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote: Shazza, our debts not too bad, we'll survive. I have to say you really don't know how crap your side are, otherwise you'd be off the Itchen Bridge like a Lemming. I know our teams not amazing, you know there's only a few England players, snigger snigger. The new stadium? Well there's a prime bit of real estate coming up in St Mary's, maybe we'll buy that and sell it for a profit when saints are playing on a playing field.

My point is that I know how crap my side is. You can't seem to appreciate that you are also in the crap, money wise. You seem to have had a bit of glory, but at what cost fish boy??

A bit of glory, at what cost?
If only you knew what it was like to savour that glory you'd understand it could be used in a certain credit card advert.....priceless
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If the worst happens we can talk about glory days, I imagine there's more survivors from the Titanic around than there are Saints fans who can remember the last time you tasted success.
hm some similarities there, Titanic and Saints.

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote:

Shazza (the genuine article, not an imposter) wrote:

Shagga, the genuine lard @rse wrote: Shazza, our debts not too bad, we'll survive. I have to say you really don't know how crap your side are, otherwise you'd be off the Itchen Bridge like a Lemming. I know our teams not amazing, you know there's only a few England players, snigger snigger. The new stadium? Well there's a prime bit of real estate coming up in St Mary's, maybe we'll buy that and sell it for a profit when saints are playing on a playing field.

My point is that I know how crap my side is. You can't seem to appreciate that you are also in the crap, money wise. You seem to have had a bit of glory, but at what cost fish boy??

A bit of glory, at what cost?
If only you knew what it was like to savour that glory you'd understand it could be used in a certain credit card advert.....priceless

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If the worst happens we can talk about glory days, I imagine there's more survivors from the Titanic around than there are Saints fans who can remember the last time you tasted success.
hm some similarities there, Titanic and Saints.

Oh dear, head in the sand...

We're **** and I know we are, you're skint but you won't admit you are, oh well what a pity

Oh I admit we're skint but at least we don't have to flog our all our decent players. The only players who are going to keep you in League One next season will be sold come January.
We're in a glider, you aint even got a parachute.
Anyway, must go, get ready to watch today's highlights on MOTD.

Dear Rupert,

These boys will still be boys come the end of the season. And your third rate coach will still be a third rate coach come the end of the season. The only difference come the end of the season is that you will have taken Southampton from the Premier to Division One.
Nurse, come quickly it's time again for Mr Lowe's medication.

I was there not an armchair supporter like some of you and cheered the team and applauded them at the end.
They were good in patches but seemed too cautious not make a mistake.That's because they are young and need to do well to gain confidence.For goodness sake be a supporter and get behind the team peferaby at the stadium.They need to have some shooting practice some of thier shots were a bit wimpish or thay need an experience striker up front.Every defence let's a goal in and they would have had at least had a draw if only they could put the ball in the net.

TottonScrutineer wrote:
I was there not an armchair supporter like some of you and cheered the team and applauded them at the end. They were good in patches but seemed too cautious not make a mistake.That's because they are young and need to do well to gain confidence.For goodness sake be a supporter and get behind the team peferaby at the stadium.They need to have some shooting practice some of thier shots were a bit wimpish or thay need an experience striker up front.Every defence let's a goal in and they would have had at least had a draw if only they could put the ball in the net.

well whoop de doo mate.

If only I could have predicted 6 numbers on the lottery then I would not have to work again. What tripe you write, if only we could score a goal blah, blah blah. Well we f***ing can't score a goal can we, our forwards are rubbish, end of. I should have met my mates down the pub and watched it, but oh no I am a proper supporter and went. Wasted £27 quid when I could have kept warm and had a few beers and a curry. It's getting to the stage where I actualy miss St.Yorkies comments

I'm sure your lot would be well up for getting right behind that group of teenagers playing for you. Merchant Navy heritage and all that.
The only people up behind and literally screwing your team is Lowe and Wilde.
Hey maybe maybe they were the unamed people when Wright-Phillips and Dyer were caught fundraising for the club.

I too went to the "game". Now i have a question for the totton scrutinser, i'm not trying to pick an argument here , the last thing the club needs is for its supporters to turn on themselves BUT you mention true supporters. Now i went there tonight and have very similar views to people here so does that make my opinion any less valid than those who didnt attend? I'm not going to have a pop at people for not going because the simple fact is there are many reasons why they cant like the flaming huge recession going on. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. I wish i didnt go but im not wasting good money sitting on my backside.

I would also like to know why there was no mention of the 'war dead' in the minutes silence

sainth wrote:

David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance. Well done saints to-night

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Try spelling NORTHERN
you fool.

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We are really scraping the barrell when we have no option other than to make Super ~ Kelv! Captain !
Now thats what you call A TOTAL JOKE! which matches up with Jans total football concept!

Mike_Saint wrote:
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LOWE OUT, And take your Dutch boyfriends with you

David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance. Well done saints to-night

Hi David,
Have you recently applied for the Press Officers job @ St Mary's as surely the comments you make cant be an honest opinion?
I was there and believe the team were poor and the manager is much worse!
Relegation form is what it is!

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Hi Shazza
Are you related to Jan Port A Loo as he too doesnt know what 4-4-2 means !

NUFF SAID!

Morning all.
Someone enjoys reading my comments - what next?
Didn't watch although I sat at a PC and looked at The SaintsForum match thread. It was hard work, but from what was said on there - we just lack it in the last third, and the middle third, and the back third of the pitch.
I'm not going to blame the players, the coaching staff or the fans that turned up - that's too easy. I doesn't hurt any more, sure I was a bit P*ssed Off at losing at home again, sure there was a lot more there than I thought would be as it was on TV - but to say we froze in front of the cameras is b*llsh*t. The side is blatently not experiencced enough. I'm not going to jump on the "We're cr*p" band wagon - the fact is the management of the club don't have the first idea about Championship football.
David Crook - has there ever been a more apt name? - waxed lyrical about the style of football. Pretty stuff perhaps, but we need and end result, a few goals and some b*lls.
I was starting to feel positive towards the end of last week. The Itchen North thing brought back memories of better times.
It's time to look deep into the future. What do you want as a fan of this club? Division 1 football with no changes, or Division 1 football with a new vision? Division 1 football is unfortunately inevitable - it's only going to get worse in January - so who wants change NOW?
The wind of change is coming - Jan has had his 10+games to get used to the Championship, but he has learnt nothing. The dream ticket in the Boardroom has failed too - where's the vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" from the shareholders?
I'm awaiting the arrival of all the Lowe luvvies who say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Sits back, breathes out and awaits abuse for being consistant.

Denzil, UTS and some of the others may not have 2-brain cells between them, but they say it more simply...

LOWE OUT & TAKE YOUR DUTCH BOYFRIENDS WITH YOU!

Can I apologise for the upbeat post I left after last weeks match, afraid I got carried away with my renewed hope for the umpteenth time. As has become usual, brought crashing back down to earth very quickly. Will try to not let it happen again. Listened to the match on the radio, never got the feeling we were getting anywhere and it just felt inevitable we would let one in. Ref the calls for 4-4-2, I'm not sure we could get a win if the league took pity on us and changed the rules to allow us to play 4-4-4!
On the saints site JP tells us he's disappointed, not as much as me pal. If the board are having any thoughts toward bringing in any personnel in January I hope a new manager is top of the list. Anyone with at least a tiny bit of charisma and football nous would do.
Now desperately hoping that the wolves don't put a rugby score past us next week. Woe, woe and thrice woe!

couzzy wrote:
Despair is such a strong word given the current climate and going ons of this world but saints and football in general was an escape from that and even when we lost it didnt matter because we had pride and a bit of fight about us. Back in the day the likes of widdrington, maddison, heaney and shipperleys of this world werent the greatest players the club has ever seen but god they gave everything to this club when they crossed that white line, how many of the current crop care like those guys did? I feel like ive lost my love for this club , the internal politics have reuduced this club to a public schoolfight and i dont see or hear any leadership from the top of the club to the bottom. We are a club in DEEP DEEP DEEP trouble and as i sit here it seems that not one person at that club cares.

Spot on mate.

David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance.
Well done saints to-night

Try coming down to SMS occaisionall David, you might start to get an idea of what is really going on at Saints.

What did you mean by "well done tonight" If you actually went in the dressing room and said that to the players, I think even they would give you a slap!!

BTW, the game you watched; was it right one? The result was Saints 0 Bristol City 1. Did you get that?

Opinions and view differ but I can not believe that any Saints fans would be PLEASED with that result. Perhaps it is a good job you are in Yorkshire because you are obviously nicely shielded from reallity!!

Was at the match yesterday, and have just watched it again ... how anyone can say that those lads did'nt play their hearts out is unbelievable, yes, they made mistakes ( As do ALL players in ANY match ) but they also played some lovely football.... they are a young team , and they both need, and deserve, the support of the fans...A supporter is surposed to do just that, SUPPORT !!!!!

Hey PORT A LOO whats happened to your 10 game prediction ie 6 WINS?
I heard your interview on radio solent after the game "you said the pressure is off us for next weeks game" HELL F*CKIN OH WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON IF WATFORD WIN TODAY WE ARE IN THE BOTTOM 3. YOU TALK SOME SH*T

FACTS

We lost
We made some mistakes at the back
Were at times lacklustre in midfield
We lacked real fire power up front
We have shocking supporters
Anti Lowe Brigade are predictable
We are broke
Lowe and Wilde are back at the club
The ground was half empty
At times we played good football
We only really have kids
Some of those kids are very good
We are close to the relegation zone
We are only 9 points off play offs
We need some experience at the back
We need more fire power up front
We cannot buy any players
Good players wont come here on loan

What has NOT been proven as fact: -
Rupert Lowe is gay
Jan is gay
Rupert is sending us down
We are going down
Lower prices will bring fans
Kids are no good
Kids don't care
Kids aren't trying

Still want to know what Lowe has done wrong his season and what else he could have done with our financial position as bad as it was when he returned,

Still want to hear how you would have dealt differently with our situation and how you would have been more successful

What is fact is that so far this season we have picked up 11 points in 7 away games, and only 9 points in 8 home games. Is it getting through yet? You are being a disruptive influence on the very players you should be getting behind. I do not include a large proportion of those who attended the match yesterday, or the Northam End because were fantastic throughout. Despite all their inadequacies, these kids still showed at times they really can play football, and they received great support from the fans at the game for this. It was painly obvious yesterday that these kids were as nervous as hell, and that has got to be down to the whingers and dissenters who seem hell bent on getting this club relegated.

Some bright spark mentioned Leeds - not a good move mate, because all through their troubled times they have shown magnificent support for their team. That is what real support is all about.

Somone explain to me how we get so many posts saying that these kids are INEXPERIENCED and USELESS CRAP, and then so many who are shouting that our BRILLIANT lads will eitherleave because of Lowe or he will sell off all our SUPERSTARS. You cannot have it both ways morons.

Now UTS - you have really surprised me. On a day when there is so much going on with a poor performance, and players who cannot do it, and a manager who has completely lost the point, and what do you complain about - The one minute silence. We all know what the silence is for and most of us will have observed it with those reasons in mind, whatever the Public Address announcer said, and I accept he could have chosen his words more carefully. Ten out of ten UTS for stupidity, but what else do we expect from your pea brain. Certainly nothing to do with football or real supporters.

Nice to see you are good with numbers Mike_Saint, perhaps Rupert could use your vast experience and expertise to help him try and sort out the puzzle of how he manages to buy these players some idiots are suggesting, when he has no bloody money. Got anything useful to bring to the debate. You know, like real comments, suggestions, or facts

Yorkie, your enthusiasm was short lived wasn't it, as well as sensibility. So disappointed to see that after your most recent well thought out and reasoned comments, you have now reverted to form, and comment only ater reading other peoples comments rather than from actual experience.

It was good though to see there was still enough sense in your rantings to appreciate that the majority of us realise that the kids are inexperienced, and also that most of us want points on the board and not to get relegated.

Wake up Yorkie this is all we have got. However you dress it up - we have only got inexperienced kids and we cannot suddenly get some wonderful replacements. Therefore why not accept that FACT and get behind them to try and get those valuable points and stave off relegation.

We have a Dutch manager who has no experience of the Championship, why not give him a chance and get behind him so that he may perhaps blend these inexperienced kids into a team that just might prevent us getting relegated.

We have Wilde and Lowe back at the club, and it is obvious they are not going to jump ship because of the rantings of a minority, so why not just forget them so that everybody else at the club can get on with the job of trying to keep us in the Championship.

You may find this hard to understand, but there are a great number of people who support the boys in red and white who don't give a toss about the fact that Lowe and Wilde are back at the club. They realise it is something they can do nothing about at the present time, and all the negativity produced by you and others like you is not helping the team or the club. Their prime concern is for the team, and helping however they can to give these boys confidence to get out on the pitch and play football to get points and stop us getting relegated. Yes we get hacked off when we lose or don't perform well, but we still get behind the team. That is what you do if you are a supporter We feel that although inexperienced, this team has produced more skillful and exciting football at times this season than the last bunch of players showed all of last season. They actually try to play, rather than just hoof it anywhere, and that may not always win us games but it is refreshing, and with decent support it can only get better. We are realistic enough to accept that we are going to lose lots of games, but hopefully we will win and draw enough just to stay up this season. If we can just survive this season with these kids, after all the troubles and turmoil within the club and with so much negativity from the 'fans' - that will indeed be progress - and next season who knows?

As for you joining the ranks of brain dead morons in questioning Lowes gayness, that is really disappointing and beyond contempt.

It merits no more of a comment than that from me

2 19 year olds as a centre half pairing and 2 makeshift full backs is always asking for trouble,Jake Thomson isnt good enough yet,and we clearly dont give Mcgoldrick enough support.I thought the lads played some nice football at times particulary Surman and Lallana,at the end of the day we just were not good enough when it matters.Anyone when half a brain cell on here knew we were in for a tough season and that there was going to be a lot of defeats and up and down performances as we`re witnessing.Its just disappointing that most of our decent performances have come away from home,denying us fans of enjoying our afternoon at the St Marys,which is why its so damm empty.

"Some bright spark mentioned Leeds - not a good move mate, because all through their troubled times they have shown magnificent support for their team. That is what real support is all about."

I'll mention what I want 'mate'. Take your holier than thou attitude and insert it where the sun don't shine.

For the record I am a season ticket holder who bought my ticket before we were safe last season.

For the record Leeds played their league 1 fixture in front of 9.5 thousand people on Friday night. That is where we are heading.

Understandably there is a lot of negative feeling on this thread after yesterdays performance/result. As opinion is divided about what is best for the club and some people may even say so far this season Lowe hasn't yet made a mistake and so on but we are now in November and the board need to make some tough decisions.
Its apparent that there is no new investment on the horizon. Is that a failure of the board??? Perhaps. I would say that the board cant get people to invest in them as much as they cant get people to invest in the club. So we have to work with what we have. So the question is, is it the players who are at fault, the manager, the board or the fans for staying away. Well I would suggest that if the board had no option but to use the players we have then they made a huge mistake appointing a manager who was from the Dutch lower leagues, effectively semi pro, and expect him to actually bring the players on. So yes in my opinion the Lowe has f*cked up in the few months he has been back. If we have to use the players we have then you appoint a proven manager who can work with what he as or this season is merely a case of going through the motions until relegation is confirmed. But here's the thing. If he changes the manager for a more experienced manager then he is admitting he has made yet another mistake, assuming he can even get yet another manager who has enough about them to bring the team on. Some "true fans" just wont accept that Lowe has made another catastrophic mistake and will ask for facts.......other than what is in front of us for everyone to see, so then the only other thing is for Lowe to keep Jan in place and ultimately resign us to Div 1?
I think Lowe is between a Rock and a hard Place. Either way he wont come out of it with any credibility. The fans will reman divided and ultimately face a bleak future.

derek fo holbury wrote:
FACTS We lost We made some mistakes at the back Were at times lacklustre in midfield We lacked real fire power up front We have shocking supporters Anti Lowe Brigade are predictable We are broke Lowe and Wilde are back at the club The ground was half empty At times we played good football We only really have kids Some of those kids are very good We are close to the relegation zone We are only 9 points off play offs We need some experience at the back We need more fire power up front We cannot buy any players Good players wont come here on loan What has NOT been proven as fact: - Rupert Lowe is gay Jan is gay Rupert is sending us down We are going down Lower prices will bring fans Kids are no good Kids don't care Kids aren't trying Still want to know what Lowe has done wrong his season and what else he could have done with our financial position as bad as it was when he returned, Still want to hear how you would have dealt differently with our situation and how you would have been more successful What is fact is that so far this season we have picked up 11 points in 7 away games, and only 9 points in 8 home games. Is it getting through yet? You are being a disruptive influence on the very players you should be getting behind. I do not include a large proportion of those who attended the match yesterday, or the Northam End because were fantastic throughout. Despite all their inadequacies, these kids still showed at times they really can play football, and they received great support from the fans at the game for this. It was painly obvious yesterday that these kids were as nervous as hell, and that has got to be down to the whingers and dissenters who seem hell bent on getting this club relegated. Some bright spark mentioned Leeds - not a good move mate, because all through their troubled times they have shown magnificent support for their team. That is what real support is all about. Somone explain to me how we get so many posts saying that these kids are INEXPERIENCED and USELESS CRAP, and then so many who are shouting that our BRILLIANT lads will eitherleave because of Lowe or he will sell off all our SUPERSTARS. You cannot have it both ways morons. Now UTS - you have really surprised me. On a day when there is so much going on with a poor performance, and players who cannot do it, and a manager who has completely lost the point, and what do you complain about - The one minute silence. We all know what the silence is for and most of us will have observed it with those reasons in mind, whatever the Public Address announcer said, and I accept he could have chosen his words more carefully. Ten out of ten UTS for stupidity, but what else do we expect from your pea brain. Certainly nothing to do with football or real supporters. Nice to see you are good with numbers Mike_Saint, perhaps Rupert could use your vast experience and expertise to help him try and sort out the puzzle of how he manages to buy these players some idiots are suggesting, when he has no bloody money. Got anything useful to bring to the debate. You know, like real comments, suggestions, or facts Yorkie, your enthusiasm was short lived wasn't it, as well as sensibility. So disappointed to see that after your most recent well thought out and reasoned comments, you have now reverted to form, and comment only ater reading other peoples comments rather than from actual experience. It was good though to see there was still enough sense in your rantings to appreciate that the majority of us realise that the kids are inexperienced, and also that most of us want points on the board and not to get relegated. Wake up Yorkie this is all we have got. However you dress it up - we have only got inexperienced kids and we cannot suddenly get some wonderful replacements. Therefore why not accept that FACT and get behind them to try and get those valuable points and stave off relegation. We have a Dutch manager who has no experience of the Championship, why not give him a chance and get behind him so that he may perhaps blend these inexperienced kids into a team that just might prevent us getting relegated. We have Wilde and Lowe back at the club, and it is obvious they are not going to jump ship because of the rantings of a minority, so why not just forget them so that everybody else at the club can get on with the job of trying to keep us in the Championship. You may find this hard to understand, but there are a great number of people who support the boys in red and white who don't give a toss about the fact that Lowe and Wilde are back at the club. They realise it is something they can do nothing about at the present time, and all the negativity produced by you and others like you is not helping the team or the club. Their prime concern is for the team, and helping however they can to give these boys confidence to get out on the pitch and play football to get points and stop us getting relegated. Yes we get hacked off when we lose or don't perform well, but we still get behind the team. That is what you do if you are a supporter We feel that although inexperienced, this team has produced more skillful and exciting football at times this season than the last bunch of players showed all of last season. They actually try to play, rather than just hoof it anywhere, and that may not always win us games but it is refreshing, and with decent support it can only get better. We are realistic enough to accept that we are going to lose lots of games, but hopefully we will win and draw enough just to stay up this season. If we can just survive this season with these kids, after all the troubles and turmoil within the club and with so much negativity from the 'fans' - that will indeed be progress - and next season who knows? As for you joining the ranks of brain dead morons in questioning Lowes gayness, that is really disappointing and beyond contempt. It merits no more of a comment than that from me

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I wonder what Judas traitor Mike Wilde is thinking ?

Im a season ticket holder and would not give a rats arse wether discounts were made. Would make my match day experience better with more people at the ground. I know its been done to death but staying away is only going to harm the club. With no suitable people waiting in the wings to takeover its time to get behind Saints regardless of Lowe.

Derek of Holbury
Share a bit of your frustration with some posters who swing from over optimism with one good result to massive negativity when the next bad one comes a long.
However, I don't think its being negative to point out that 1 up front at home is obviously not working, is not going to bring the crowds in and is not fair on our young players. Jan's asking several to do what for a very experienced prem player would be a tall order.
I find it hard to understand why he makes so many changes every week - how does it help the confidence of Lloyd James to ask him to play out of position for so long, then leave him out altogether when Cork fits in at the back? His efforts should have merited a place in right midfield ahead of the willing but clearly not yet ready Thomson?
I fear for our club because I can't see an end in sight without substantial change. Even if we stay up our financial position will be no better next season and we will have had to have sold several players to stay afloat. I see little sign that Lowe and Cowan genuinely want to find external investment, and so in this harsh environment its doubly unlikely they'll find it. And their reputation means the experienced players, coaches and managers simply won't come here.
Hence the frustration of so many - not that we are where we are but that those who have put themselves in the position to do something about it seem more interest in proving their way is right than in saving our club.

derek fo holbury wrote:
FACTS We lost We made some mistakes at the back Were at times lacklustre in midfield We lacked real fire power up front We have shocking supporters Anti Lowe Brigade are predictable We are broke Lowe and Wilde are back at the club The ground was half empty At times we played good football We only really have kids Some of those kids are very good We are close to the relegation zone We are only 9 points off play offs We need some experience at the back We need more fire power up front We cannot buy any players Good players wont come here on loan What has NOT been proven as fact: - Rupert Lowe is gay Jan is gay Rupert is sending us down We are going down Lower prices will bring fans Kids are no good Kids don't care Kids aren't trying Still want to know what Lowe has done wrong his season and what else he could have done with our financial position as bad as it was when he returned, Still want to hear how you would have dealt differently with our situation and how you would have been more successful What is fact is that so far this season we have picked up 11 points in 7 away games, and only 9 points in 8 home games. Is it getting through yet? You are being a disruptive influence on the very players you should be getting behind. I do not include a large proportion of those who attended the match yesterday, or the Northam End because were fantastic throughout. Despite all their inadequacies, these kids still showed at times they really can play football, and they received great support from the fans at the game for this. It was painly obvious yesterday that these kids were as nervous as hell, and that has got to be down to the whingers and dissenters who seem hell bent on getting this club relegated. Some bright spark mentioned Leeds - not a good move mate, because all through their troubled times they have shown magnificent support for their team. That is what real support is all about. Somone explain to me how we get so many posts saying that these kids are INEXPERIENCED and USELESS CRAP, and then so many who are shouting that our BRILLIANT lads will eitherleave because of Lowe or he will sell off all our SUPERSTARS. You cannot have it both ways morons. Now UTS - you have really surprised me. On a day when there is so much going on with a poor performance, and players who cannot do it, and a manager who has completely lost the point, and what do you complain about - The one minute silence. We all know what the silence is for and most of us will have observed it with those reasons in mind, whatever the Public Address announcer said, and I accept he could have chosen his words more carefully. Ten out of ten UTS for stupidity, but what else do we expect from your pea brain. Certainly nothing to do with football or real supporters. Nice to see you are good with numbers Mike_Saint, perhaps Rupert could use your vast experience and expertise to help him try and sort out the puzzle of how he manages to buy these players some idiots are suggesting, when he has no bloody money. Got anything useful to bring to the debate. You know, like real comments, suggestions, or facts Yorkie, your enthusiasm was short lived wasn't it, as well as sensibility. So disappointed to see that after your most recent well thought out and reasoned comments, you have now reverted to form, and comment only ater reading other peoples comments rather than from actual experience. It was good though to see there was still enough sense in your rantings to appreciate that the majority of us realise that the kids are inexperienced, and also that most of us want points on the board and not to get relegated. Wake up Yorkie this is all we have got. However you dress it up - we have only got inexperienced kids and we cannot suddenly get some wonderful replacements. Therefore why not accept that FACT and get behind them to try and get those valuable points and stave off relegation. We have a Dutch manager who has no experience of the Championship, why not give him a chance and get behind him so that he may perhaps blend these inexperienced kids into a team that just might prevent us getting relegated. We have Wilde and Lowe back at the club, and it is obvious they are not going to jump ship because of the rantings of a minority, so why not just forget them so that everybody else at the club can get on with the job of trying to keep us in the Championship. You may find this hard to understand, but there are a great number of people who support the boys in red and white who don't give a toss about the fact that Lowe and Wilde are back at the club. They realise it is something they can do nothing about at the present time, and all the negativity produced by you and others like you is not helping the team or the club. Their prime concern is for the team, and helping however they can to give these boys confidence to get out on the pitch and play football to get points and stop us getting relegated. Yes we get hacked off when we lose or don't perform well, but we still get behind the team. That is what you do if you are a supporter We feel that although inexperienced, this team has produced more skillful and exciting football at times this season than the last bunch of players showed all of last season. They actually try to play, rather than just hoof it anywhere, and that may not always win us games but it is refreshing, and with decent support it can only get better. We are realistic enough to accept that we are going to lose lots of games, but hopefully we will win and draw enough just to stay up this season. If we can just survive this season with these kids, after all the troubles and turmoil within the club and with so much negativity from the 'fans' - that will indeed be progress - and next season who knows? As for you joining the ranks of brain dead morons in questioning Lowes gayness, that is really disappointing and beyond contempt. It merits no more of a comment than that from me

You have been blinkered by all the Spin and lies from Lowe and Wildes mouth since May of this year. This of course helped by the Daily Echo newspaper. To print their propaganda when it was more than obvious the whole thing was a total farce.

Nearly every point you make can be ripped to shreds Derek.

There is no debate to the fact that Rupert Lowe is yet again directly responsbile for our current position.

Dutch amateur coach, no experienced loans. Spending £500,000 on a player then claiming we a skint and blaming others. Spin Spin Spin by the bucket load. Lies Lies Lies by the bucket load.

I'm installing myself as Chairman and im going to retain Pearson. Im going to rid the club of the out of contractors. Im going to use Pearsons respected contacts to get some experienced loans in especially at the back.

Im not expecting the club to finish any higher than middle of the table.

Thats exactly what the previous SFC board where going to do. Simple obvious stuff and not some fruitcake gamble.

Guess what the clubs bank where happy with that and i bet any Saints fan with a brain would of excepted that scenario.

THIRD HARDEST MAN IN SHOLING - Good points well made

SHAZZA - How typical for 'so called fans' like you to just extract one piece of information that best suits your argument. What about the three previous Leeds home crowds. 26,422 - 18,990 - 22,726. I think you will agree this is not bad for a Div. 1 team and certainly we and the club would welcome these attendances. The last gate may be just a blip, or could it be that the credit crunch is affecting teams other than Saints. Certainly cannot be their position because they are currently second. In any case, if you bothered to take care when reading my article, you would have appreciated that I was talking about the two or three previous seasons when they were in awful trouble,

Have to say that just like you, I will also have my say, but fail to understand how my comments would suggest I have a 'holier than thou' theme. Merely putting my view and answering the comments of others. Isn't it strange when a certain type of person disagrees with another's viewpoint, but is unable to effectively come back with any reasonable response, they resort to aggression and name calling. Carry on Shazza - you are doing far more to discredit your ranting than I ever could.

HELP THE SAINTS - I do not think for one moment the man is NOT trying to get some investment in - what do you want? Do you expect him to write in the Echo every day exactly who he has approached and where he is with negotiations, and therefore make the rest of the football world aware that maybe there is someone out there with money who is looking to invest in football. Not the best idea eh? As for the manager, who the hell do you think that is half decent would come here when they knew what we had in the squad. At least this guy was prepared to come here (at a low cost wage, and even bought himself out of his contract) and he has experience at a high level of working with kids

DENZIL - How predictable. You never have much to say that is sensible or constructive, or for that matter has any basis in fact. You carry on sleeping mate - We need fans like you to NOT play an active part.

UTS - I am sending you a new stylus for your record player (as yours must be worn out, and a book of pictures you can colour in. Don't worry, there are numbers to help you put the colours in the right place. Send it back to me when you have finished and I will put a nice big gold star on it for you

PATRON - Good man. I know there are loads of people our there with the same point of view as us, and together we will beet this apathy and nonsensical 'so called supporters' tripe. Well, all except UTS, because he is now beyond help. Still, he does now have a colouring book

SURREY SAINT - It is not necessarily swing from optimism etc. We are just doing what you do after winning a match, even if we were in the top flight chasing the title. Enjoying the moment. Yes it does create a bit of optimism at the time, but most of all it is just a cause joy, and puts a spring in your step when you travel in to work on a Monday morning - nothing wrong with that. I agree with the rest of your post and have to say that people who share my views also worry about tactics and the standard of player available to the manager etc. etc. However, I do think I have seen enough on display at times this season to believe we have the basis for an excellent team. We need time, patience, and a much better and ralistic fan base. It aint gonna happen this season, but what we have to aim for is a place in this division next year. Not inpossible, but the lads wearing the shirts need support, not a load of whinging from these people who are demeaning them and causing so much damage.

UTS - Good grief, he is actually saying some words - not they are making very much sense. I must be buying a different Echo to you because I have not been seeing loads of stuff accredited to either Lowe or Wilde with all this spin and lies you mention. Perhaps you can show me your copies or actually state (factually) what they have been saying that is so upsetting you. I am not blinkered by the spin and lies, because I have not read about them.

You say that NEARLY (well that is some progress anyway)all my points can be torn to shreds, and then you don't do it. Talk is cheap without facts or action mate.

You say there is no debate, but I have to disagree - isn't that what we are all doing on this site at the moment?

Dutch amateur coach ?? He was a paid professional - Hello, that means he is not amateur, and he has a proven track record with kids. Obviously not mentioned in your special editions of the Echo.

No experienced loans - who would want to come to a club full of inexperienced kids that was destined to be fighting to stay in the division, and what club would allow their player to come here?

You as chairman - Jesus. Now I have the proof that I wanted about the state of your mental health. You would do what? Get rid of the management team, and all the kids, and bring in twenty really experienced international superstars, so you could pack out SMS every week and have a waiting list a mile long for season tickesand. Oh by the way Einstien, how do you intend to do this without any money? I suppose you would immediately find and investor with zillions, and you would do all this before the end of the season. Listen Paul Daniels - just wait till you colouring book arrives O.K.

That simple obvious plan you sort of mention is a good one. Unfortunately the last board did have that plan, but managed to get us into this finacial mess by having too many people within their ranks doing nothing for a fantastic pay packet. They also got in so many players and paid them ridiculous salaries to do bugger all for us.

Lots of words from you this time but I fail to see where you have torn to shreds nearly (or any for that matter) all of my points.

Derek baby the previous board was in place from late December 2007 to May this year. The people you are fingering for the financial issue are indeed Mike Wildes executives. They have now left with their bag of loot.

Derek i would also like you to ask Barclays Bank why they allowed players to be brought in pre last season. What role does the finance director have in any of this ? If he was mine he would of been sacked along time ago.

So the fact of the matter is the two people responsbile for our current situation reside in office as Chairmen.

Is it little wonder that Barclays Bank where happier with the previous board (dec 2007- May 2008) than the mess again created by Rupert Lowe.

All what ive said was financial viable btw.

If someone says 'No' then why have we been spending money like £500,000. Loan fees and wages by the bucket load.

Some of these loans arent even getting a game ! LOL

It all adds up to a clueless clown called Rupert who hasnt got a pea in his brain on how to run a football club.

Anyway enough 'biting' from me.

UTS,

If all you say is absolutely true - where are we going with this.

All I keep saying is - it is the team I support and they are the guys that deserve and need our support.

You can go on slagging L & W until you blow something (and you probably will at this rate) but what is the purpose, and where will it take us.

Answer me just these questions

If Lowe and Wilde leave - then what.

Where do we get money AT THE MOMENT to buy players

What sort of loan player do you think we can attract with our team full of kids and League position

What sort of manager do you think we can attract with our team full of kids and no money to spend

Had you walked in (heaven forbid) instead of Lowe, and Wilde did not exist - what would you have done to improve our situation

Now concentrate very hard and read all the questions very carefully, and then try to respond by actually answering them.

See if you can string some sentences together that make sense, and please try very hard to actually write a piece that does not mention L & W, and that they have to go, and that caused all the mistakes.

Think you can do that? I don't

Derek of Holbury, whilst mike-saint is good with numbers you are not. You stated we have 11 points from 8 away games and 9 points from 7 home games, well that equals 20 points Derek. When I looked at the table earlier we had 16 points. Perhaps you are the pea brain.

Was that long post from Derek having a go at all and sundry, the same Derek who yesterday challenged posters just to talk about football on here?

Practice what you preach, springs to mind.

Cut the ****. The next 2 games will determine if this team can avoid relegation. I still believe the squad has potential but Mcgoldrick on his own is nonsense and Jan without an experienced hand to guide him through the minefield is even more so. We had 11/12 corners and too many balls went straight into their keepers open arms this is a coaching problem.

The fans deserve better -we lost our Prem status because of no investment by the board and it's gut wrenching to see them doing nothing to keep Stern John.

saint.h Yep got me there. O.K. my calculations weren't that good, but I think my point is. Our performances away seem better than those at home, and I think it is because the kids are nervous at home. Those that follow Saints away (and it does not include me) have a great reputation of keeping behind the team.

COSTA BAZ - Try reading my post again. I said MONDAY

BRINGBACKDAVE - Yep frustrating, gut wrenching, and yes we certainly do deserve more than this, but so too do the kids who have been thrust into this situation. They do not lack commitment and effort, but sometimes they do need more leadeship, and as you say perhaps a bit more on the coaching side.
However, it must be a terryifying prospect forthese kids to play at SMS. When they start to play you can cut the atmosphere with a knife and know they are going to get crucified the second they make a bad pass or baloon one over the bar when it was easier to score.

They need our support and also an acceptance that sometimes they will make mistakes

Blimey Derek, you need to take some of your own advice - chill.
I returned to typecast as you called it because I was hoodwinked into believing things were geting better.
I know these are the only players we have.
I know Rupert Lowe has done no wrong in this tenure - although I uestion the sense in loaning out Stern John.
Facts are fact Derek - we have no investment - who do we blame for that?
The Leeds situation you talked about in a previous post was a bit misguided. There crowds dropped dramatically because of cost and our friend Bates.
I know we could chew the fat into the early hours about the good and the bad times at our club, and we'd have a great night. The fact is thes ewill be our only memories if we don't see the back of the dark one.
Don't you think if he is out of the picture others may invest? I think his need for control is costing us big time. Not just the finances of the club when we were making a profit, but now when we are making a loss.

derek fo holbury wrote:
THIRD HARDEST MAN IN SHOLING - Good points well made

SHAZZA - How typical for 'so called fans' like you to just extract one piece of information that best suits your argument. What about the three previous Leeds home crowds. 26,422 - 18,990 - 22,726. I think you will agree this is not bad for a Div. 1 team and certainly we and the club would welcome these attendances. The last gate may be just a blip, or could it be that the credit crunch is affecting teams other than Saints. Certainly cannot be their position because they are currently second. In any case, if you bothered to take care when reading my article, you would have appreciated that I was talking about the two or three previous seasons when they were in awful trouble,

Have to say that just like you, I will also have my say, but fail to understand how my comments would suggest I have a 'holier than thou' theme. Merely putting my view and answering the comments of others. Isn't it strange when a certain type of person disagrees with another's viewpoint, but is unable to effectively come back with any reasonable response, they resort to aggression and name calling. Carry on Shazza - you are doing far more to discredit your ranting than I ever could.

HELP THE SAINTS - I do not think for one moment the man is NOT trying to get some investment in - what do you want? Do you expect him to write in the Echo every day exactly who he has approached and where he is with negotiations, and therefore make the rest of the football world aware that maybe there is someone out there with money who is looking to invest in football. Not the best idea eh? As for the manager, who the hell do you think that is half decent would come here when they knew what we had in the squad. At least this guy was prepared to come here (at a low cost wage, and even bought himself out of his contract) and he has experience at a high level of working with kids

DENZIL - How predictable. You never have much to say that is sensible or constructive, or for that matter has any basis in fact. You carry on sleeping mate - We need fans like you to NOT play an active part.

UTS - I am sending you a new stylus for your record player (as yours must be worn out, and a book of pictures you can colour in. Don't worry, there are numbers to help you put the colours in the right place. Send it back to me when you have finished and I will put a nice big gold star on it for you

PATRON - Good man. I know there are loads of people our there with the same point of view as us, and together we will beet this apathy and nonsensical 'so called supporters' tripe. Well, all except UTS, because he is now beyond help. Still, he does now have a colouring book

SURREY SAINT - It is not necessarily swing from optimism etc. We are just doing what you do after winning a match, even if we were in the top flight chasing the title. Enjoying the moment. Yes it does create a bit of optimism at the time, but most of all it is just a cause joy, and puts a spring in your step when you travel in to work on a Monday morning - nothing wrong with that. I agree with the rest of your post and have to say that people who share my views also worry about tactics and the standard of player available to the manager etc. etc. However, I do think I have seen enough on display at times this season to believe we have the basis for an excellent team. We need time, patience, and a much better and ralistic fan base. It aint gonna happen this season, but what we have to aim for is a place in this division next year. Not inpossible, but the lads wearing the shirts need support, not a load of whinging from these people who are demeaning them and causing so much damage.

UTS - Good grief, he is actually saying some words - not they are making very much sense. I must be buying a different Echo to you because I have not been seeing loads of stuff accredited to either Lowe or Wilde with all this spin and lies you mention. Perhaps you can show me your copies or actually state (factually) what they have been saying that is so upsetting you. I am not blinkered by the spin and lies, because I have not read about them.

You say that NEARLY (well that is some progress anyway)all my points can be torn to shreds, and then you don't do it. Talk is cheap without facts or action mate.

You say there is no debate, but I have to disagree - isn't that what we are all doing on this site at the moment?

Dutch amateur coach ?? He was a paid professional - Hello, that means he is not amateur, and he has a proven track record with kids. Obviously not mentioned in your special editions of the Echo.

No experienced loans - who would want to come to a club full of inexperienced kids that was destined to be fighting to stay in the division, and what club would allow their player to come here?

You as chairman - Jesus. Now I have the proof that I wanted about the state of your mental health. You would do what? Get rid of the management team, and all the kids, and bring in twenty really experienced international superstars, so you could pack out SMS every week and have a waiting list a mile long for season tickesand. Oh by the way Einstien, how do you intend to do this without any money? I suppose you would immediately find and investor with zillions, and you would do all this before the end of the season. Listen Paul Daniels - just wait till you colouring book arrives O.K.

That simple obvious plan you sort of mention is a good one. Unfortunately the last board did have that plan, but managed to get us into this finacial mess by having too many people within their ranks doing nothing for a fantastic pay packet. They also got in so many players and paid them ridiculous salaries to do bugger all for us.

Lots of words from you this time but I fail to see where you have torn to shreds nearly (or any for that matter) all of my points.

Derek, you are a condescending tool.

That is all.

It does not matter the false dawn results we get we are going down. I love Saints but everything about the club is wrongfrom top to bottom I hate Lowe but will I be watching Saints on Sat home and away **** **** right. At least I will look myself in the mirror and know I done my bit through the crap. To everyone who loves the Saints come back to your seats we can deal with Lowe at a later date. TOGETHER WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS ****.

You just do not get it do you Derek, there are thousands of us who will not pay anymore money into LOWE F.C.
We do not want our FOOTBALL club run by a man who thinks :-
Share Buybacks,
Share Dividends,
Radio Stations,
Rugby Coaches,
Prem League Catering,
Steve Wigley Mark I Experiment that led to relegation to CCC.
“The Steve Wigley mark II Experiment” that is leading to relegation to League 1

Before I get the usually garbage reply from you or one of your PR chums, perhaps you would like to think about some of the figures since we moved to the new ground.
Dividends
Sept 2000 - £324,123
Sept 2001 - £328,070
Sept 2002 - £593,218
Sept 2003 - £856,227
Sept 2004 - £856,227
Sept 2005 - £140,000
TOTAL - £3,097,865

Share Buybacks
May 2002 400,000 @35p = £140,000
June 2002 2,746,153 @30p = £823,845
Oct 2002 1,120,000 @24p = £268,800
Sept 2004 450,000 @44p = £198,000
TOTAL - £1,430,645

The Radio Station, I believe was purchased some 6 years ago for about £1Million and ran at a lose for 6 years at about £250,000 a year = TWO & a HALF MILLION POUNDS.

So that is SEVEN MILLION POUNDS removed from the FOOTBALL CLUB and spent on non-footballing things and whims of your beloved leader.
Do you want me to go into the cost of the Rugby Coach, or how much Steve W Mark I cost this Club and how much the Mark II will cost us this season.

So every time you (and your PR chums) look at the empty seats at St Marys think to yourselves there are SEVEN MILLION REASONS why that seat and thousand others are empty.

Finally, who (apart from London Bankers) would pay themselves a bonus (dividend) six months after they got us relegated - (Sept 2005 £140,000). And remind me again how much they spent in the next Transfer window to try to get the Football Club promoted again (was it 90k by any chance).

As I keep saying we want our Club run by people who put the Football Club FIRST.

LOWE OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't claim to any sort of master tactician but surely 4-4-2 would have been a better formation to play with..? Seems logical to me but JP won't change it.
Can anyone else name a CC side that plays this formation at home..?

yours desparing,

Somehow,somewhere,so
meday,this club we all love will have a change in fortune and will return to winning ways and the St Marys will fill up with happy expectant fans.I really hope it works out for Jan and the boys,but if it doesnt he`ll get the boot...thats football.Then we`ll get another manager and for a while we`ll all be excited and positive until the team suffer a few defeats and then the moaners and groaners will crawl out of the woodwork again.Lets face it ,if we go down and go into administration then that hopefully will be the end of Lowe and Wilde,and someone will buy the club on the cheap.Once the optimisim wears off and we all realise that they`re businessmen who are not going to throw money at the club like Abramovich does,then the moaning starts again.This is football..this is life,lots of optimism followed by cold hard reality.You can choose to accept this ,and then be accused of "turning a blind eye" or you can stamp your feet and throw your dummy out the pram,sometimes this brings change if enough people follow this route ,but most of the time it`s divisive and damaging.Most people on here argue in a civilised and intelligent way regardless of their opinion.Some people are just having a laugh which is fair enough,but when people start slagging each other off it gets a bit sad to be honest.If people want to be unpleasant on here then they should be prepared to say it face to face,at the pub before a match,im a the hardman ok,but ive got good manners and there`s to many people larging it on here ,hiding behind their computers.

Derek yet again you are so quick to comment and criticise others who mis-interpret your.......well "article" or your point yet you do exactly the same on other peoples postings. Firstly and more importantly do YOU have any FACTS that Lowe is looking for investment???? If not please speculating. Secondly, as you like to ask about Lowes mistakes.......but only since he has come back, as I said Big mistake asking or expecting a semi pro manager to work with boys, who 5 months earlier couldn't even get into to the first team then Yes I think thats a mistake. As you mentioned, who would have come here? Well that too may have been down to Lowe's previous high turn over of managers. However if Lowe sacrificed his wage to suppliment the wage of a a better manager then who knows where we would be? No I dont expect Lowe to write anything as the arrogant pr1ck is above the paying fan BUT I would expect to see some communication as to the direction Lowe can and will take the club. Given that Lowe was more than willing to publicly spin his return due to our financial situation what harm would it do if he did communicate how many potential investors are interested? No name no sums of money just somethig to give the fans some hope, some information about the club that they supported way before he turned up and f'cked everything up? Where is the harm in that?So what next Derek? Its unlikely that we will get any investment either in whole or part so regardless of what happens this season what for next season? Our assetts will probably be sold off. So we either start next season in the CCC with no hope or we will be in Div 1 with little hope.
Your apathy means you are willing to accept all things that are currently SFC, Well who are you to say that your apathy is better for SFC than people who believe change is a must. And don't ask me who will step in, as I've said before I doubt at this moment in time anyone would publicly and put themselves forward but common sense would say that someone will gladly take over the reins as Lowe really isn't doing anything sensational.........
other than appointing a manager that isn't experienced enough for this team.

Crickey angry fans - what next?

Strange how on Friday everything was hunky dorey, and now we have a situation with another defeat people actually beginning to see the light.

Money, money , money is all that matters. The shareholders are all that matter.

I smile when people turn this all on it's head and say "I was there" - I've been there, seen it, done it and got the T-shirt. There is no way I'll give up on the club, but I won't contributr to Lowe FC as someone else put it.

I think if Lowe does go there will be investment forth coming...perhaps Mr Salz will get involved there is no megalomaniac in charge of SLH.

I'm still amazed there is not more questions on the Paul Allen interest and why nothing happened. Bale being sold had something to do with it apparently - but this is only hearsay.

It's easy to say the stay aways are killing the club - but true to my word, when the day comes and Lowe has gone, all the money I would have spent going to SMS will be available for the new regime. It hurts me more staying away, but I found the Rotherham game spent baiting the home fans was very immature for a 50-year old man. Such was my interest in the game!

Derek I feel apologetic and yet I don't know what for. This football club has influenced my life since the age of 6-years old. Now it's my turn to influence what it does for me.

All you Lowe luvvies, Jan's fans, and backing of all the decisions of the board - I feel sorry for you! You are the ones fooling yurselves.

No I'm not a true fan, I pick and choose my games, but when I go i give 100%. At times I have felt like crying after games, but not this season. The nippers do us proud, they are not up to the task, but they give 100%. It's a shame others at the club don't do the same.

Love The Saints - hate the current regime!

I've read all the comments on here regarding saints current predicament, having watched the game on tv one thing was blatantly obvious to me, just watch how Bristols goal was scored, long ball big centreforward who shrugged off the defender as if he was'nt there and cracked a shot which ok hit the crossbar and fell nicely to someone following up, route one football, no slow build up from this team and this is how football is played in the championship 3 points in the bag, saints need to adopt this style of football or forever languish in the lower leagues

I will keep it short as it appears people are angry because I have a viewpoint that conflicts with theirs. Never have I said you do not have a right to your opinion or necessarily that your opinion is incorrect, because it would be wrong to do so.

All I have ever advocated is the team and football should be the foremost consideration. I do think an awful lot of nonsense is spoken by either people with little or no knowledge of what they are saying, or are so wrapped up in their personal hatred of one particular man, that it is perhaps clouding their judgement.

My personal aim is to continue to encourage and support the guys who get out and play for my club in the hope that we can somehow gain enough points to at least realise survival in this division this season.

Hopefully next year something will happen to give us a better team who will be able to mount a challenge to get back to the Premiership, where I believe we should be.

I am not a political animal and do not claim to have any special financial skills, but beither do I believe that these are necessary in order that I support a football team. I love football and want the best for my team.

If any of the above offends people or gives them the idea I am being condescending or having 'holier than thou' thoughts, I apologise.

It is not my intention to do this and only came onto this site in the belief that anyone could make a contribution, and in doing so could then get into some form of reasonable debate.

It never crossed my mind that there would be some who would take my views so personally that they would then feel obliged to become aggressive and foul mouthed. If I have brought this about then I am truly sorry. I did believe we were all Saints fans contributing, and somehow we were perhaps all on the same side.

Silly thought eh? Will have to just agree to disagree and remember that it takes all sorts.

derek fo holbury wrote:
I will keep it short as it appears people are angry because I have a viewpoint that conflicts with theirs. Never have I said you do not have a right to your opinion or necessarily that your opinion is incorrect, because it would be wrong to do so. All I have ever advocated is the team and football should be the foremost consideration. I do think an awful lot of nonsense is spoken by either people with little or no knowledge of what they are saying, or are so wrapped up in their personal hatred of one particular man, that it is perhaps clouding their judgement. My personal aim is to continue to encourage and support the guys who get out and play for my club in the hope that we can somehow gain enough points to at least realise survival in this division this season. Hopefully next year something will happen to give us a better team who will be able to mount a challenge to get back to the Premiership, where I believe we should be. I am not a political animal and do not claim to have any special financial skills, but beither do I believe that these are necessary in order that I support a football team. I love football and want the best for my team. If any of the above offends people or gives them the idea I am being condescending or having 'holier than thou' thoughts, I apologise. It is not my intention to do this and only came onto this site in the belief that anyone could make a contribution, and in doing so could then get into some form of reasonable debate. It never crossed my mind that there would be some who would take my views so personally that they would then feel obliged to become aggressive and foul mouthed. If I have brought this about then I am truly sorry. I did believe we were all Saints fans contributing, and somehow we were perhaps all on the same side. Silly thought eh? Will have to just agree to disagree and remember that it takes all sorts.

Unfortunately Derek, whilst this post shows you are one of many fans who post on this site, it also confirms how much Lowe has divided, once again, the fan base! United we stand, divided we fall!!

agree with pku,they are a young group of lads,playing thier hearts out.Get behind them,you tell me which member of the team wasn't trying (unlike last year).Keep up the good work lads,I'm proud to support you,hope it all comes good.
F--K the board,GIVE OUR LADS SUPPORT!!!!!,They deserve it.

agree with pku,they are a young group of lads,playing thier hearts out.Get behind them,you tell me which member of the team wasn't trying (unlike last year).Keep up the good work lads,I'm proud to support you,hope it all comes good.
F--K the board,GIVE OUR LADS SUPPORT!!!!!,They deserve it.

Oh dear oh dear.
I must admit I was disappointed at the result. I thought that after Kelv's penalty save, Lady Luck may have been on our side.

JP says it was only after we'd gone 1-0 down that we played better - yes JP, that's because we had 3 strikers on at one point!!

1 up front doesn't work, (especially at home) when will he realise that?

I'm not sure what's going on, has he been told not to change it? I dunno. But the fans can see it - surely we can't all be wrong?

I'm still fairly optimistic (although just bought my tickets for Reading away.....) but we'll be set for a bumpy ride for the rest of the season.

I agree with pku, the players tried hard and their heads didn't go down. The problem was that there didn't seem to be much teamwork. I think that becuase there have been so many different players over the course of the season that they're not getting used to each other quickly enough becuase they're not given time before someone else comes into the side.

JP, pick one team and stick with it. Obviously you can't account for injuries or suspensions but keep as much the same as you possibly can, ie players, formations - and why change the captain????

We're in for a relegation battle all season long and we will lose more games than we will win. But I'm sure we can do enough come the end of the season to stay up. Hopefully the seconf half of the season the lads will be more settled, more used to each other and more used to the league.

Wilsamsaints - Yes, I think we played well, just not well enough. (And yes, I still believe in Santa Claus....!!) I've never said we deserve to be anywhere else than where we are - the table doesn't lie. But we as fans have to get behind the team or else they will continue to suffer from lack of confidence etc. Why should the players put in 100% when they know the fans will blast them for anything less than a win?

Shazza - I think you're getting a little defeatist. A couple of wins and we could be mid-table. A lot of fans get so carried away with wins ("we can aim for the play-offs") and defeats ("we're going to be relegated") but I've got faith in the team and that JP will soon try something different to try and mix it up a little.

COYR!!!

David Crook wrote:

sainth wrote:

David Crook wrote:
I watched Saints again to-night on Sky.I thought they were great,football played how it should be played,Bristol city are a great side with a very very good manager,and we must take heart on this performance. Well done saints to-night

are you taking the ****, you northwern tw@t

Try spelling NORTHERN
you fool.

David, I don't think you are in a postion to pick people up on spelling!!
(to-night?????)

Where is moaning going to get Saints? We need belief not negative gestures! We need to get behind the team, stuff the board and whos involved, its the team thats playing not them! Cmon you saints!! X

I think the team have potential to pull in sufficient points to stay up, and that is all we can ask at the moment.

If they pull it off it will be a remarkable feat when you consider that most of this team would not even have got a place on the bench last season.

Come on the boys, a little more confidence and perhaps a little jiggling with the formation will bring results. Lets all keep the faith

Will everyone calm down a bit? This is a team that will probably take until the second half of the season to really get going, but once it does the potential is huge.

I'm sure Jan would like to play two up front, but he's having to pack the midfield to protect the defence. Once the defence is a bit more robust - which is going to take weeks of drills and a bit of luck with injuries - then we can concentrate on playing more of the expansive attacking football we were earlier in the season, while not conceding so many at the back.

Have faith people.

O, and I'd just like to say that the supporters on Saturday were excellent. A bit more of that won't go amiss.

Will everyone calm down a bit? This is a team that will probably take until the second half of the season to really get going, but once it does the potential is huge.

I'm sure Jan would like to play two up front, but he's having to pack the midfield to protect the defence. Once the defence is a bit more robust - which is going to take weeks of drills and a bit of luck with injuries - then we can concentrate on playing more of the expansive attacking football we were earlier in the season, while not conceding so many at the back.

Have faith people.

O, and I'd just like to say that the supporters on Saturday were excellent. A bit more of that won't go amiss.

Keep saying it - but the fans who attend have generally been appreciative of the football being played by the kids - particularly the Norham End. Great to hear and it would be fantastic to have more in the ground with that sort of vocal support - may make all the difference.

Yes it will take some time to get these kids playing as a unit on a regular basis, and I for one am prepared to be patient. What a magnificent achievement it would be if a buch of novices can keep us in the chamionship this season.

We have so many problems on the pitch at the moment for various reasons, which makes it difficult to play consistently well with any sort of rythym. As the last poster says, packing the midfield to stem the goals against is obvious to see, but that then means we are short up front. You can see the fear we have of conceding a goal and upsetting the fans by the fact that we have everyone back for corners, instead of leaving a player up front for the quick breakaway. Nerves, inexperience - call it what you want, but it still means there is one more reason why we are not scoring the goals.

We have to continue to believe and support.

St Retford wrote:
Will everyone calm down a bit? This is a team that will probably take until the second half of the season to really get going, but once it does the potential is huge. I'm sure Jan would like to play two up front, but he's having to pack the midfield to protect the defence. Once the defence is a bit more robust - which is going to take weeks of drills and a bit of luck with injuries - then we can concentrate on playing more of the expansive attacking football we were earlier in the season, while not conceding so many at the back. Have faith people. O, and I'd just like to say that the supporters on Saturday were excellent. A bit more of that won't go amiss.

That tactic is obviously working really well isn't it?

why not do what we have in past when we've been lightweight at the back - throw everything forward and adopt the idea that if they score 3 we'll get 4. That was Lawrie Mac;s tactics and while we took a few heavy beatings it was always entertaining and we won more than we lost. It would also get the fans back in. Playing 1 up front at home isn't going to tempt the fans back.